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Jill Stein has pulled effectively a "Harbaugh" on the Electoral College. From the election thread poll, we know we have about a 50/50 split in this group so I am curious what everyone's take on it is.

While the 3 recounts will not change the election results the net effect could cause an interesting Electoral College spin.

Because the 3 states recounts likely won't be complete and certified by December 13th, the electors may not be able to complete and send in their votes by the 19th of December as required by the US Constitution.
[QUOTE]Key Dates:

December 13, 2016

States must make final decisions in any controversies over the appointment of their electors at least six days before the meeting of the Electors. This is so their electoral votes will be presumed valid when presented to Congress.

Decisions by states’ courts are conclusive, if decided under laws enacted before Election Day.

December 19, 2016

The Electors meet in their state and vote for President and Vice President on separate ballots. The electors record their votes on six “Certificates of Vote,” which are paired with the six remaining Certificates of Ascertainment.

The electors sign, seal, and certify six sets of electoral votes. A set of electoral votes consists of one Certificate of Ascertainment and one Certificate of Vote. These are distributed immediately as follows:

one set to the President of the Senate (the Vice President) for the official count of the electoral votes in January;
two packages to the Secretary of State in the state where the electors met—one is an archival set that becomes part of the public record of the Secretary of State's office and the other is a reserve set that is subject to the call of the President of the Senate to replace missing or incomplete electoral votes;
two packages to the Archivist—one is an archival set that becomes part of the permanent collection at the National Archives and Records Administration and the other is a reserve set that is subject to the call of the President of the Senate to replace missing or incomplete electoral votes; and
one set to the presiding judge in the district where the Electors met—this is also a reserve set that is subject to the call of the President of the Senate to replace missing or incomplete electoral votes.
December 28, 2016

Electoral votes (the Certificates of Vote) must be received by the President of the Senate and the Archivist no later than nine days after the meeting of the electors. States face no legal penalty for failure to comply.

If votes are lost or delayed, the Archivist may take extraordinary measures to retrieve duplicate originals.

On or Before January 3, 2017

The Archivist and/or representatives from the Office of the Federal Register meet with the Secretary of the Senate and the Clerk of the House in late December or early January. This is, in part, a ceremonial occasion. Informal meetings may take place earlier.

January 6, 2017

The Congress meets in joint session to count the electoral votes. Congress may pass a law to change this date.[/QUOTE]

Bottom line, is that by challenging enough electoral votes to prevent Trump from receiving 270 (even though they all will eventually be counted) the electoral college may not be able to elect Trump by the structural deadlines.

If no candidate has 270, would the Congress, who all likely dislike Trump, be willing to extend the date? Would they on Jan 6th convene and vote on a president and vice president outside of the normal process?

According to the national archives, if no one reaches 270:
[QUOTE]If no Presidential candidate wins 270 or more electoral votes, a majority, the 12th Amendment to the Constitution provides for the House of Representatives to decide the Presidential election. If necessary the House would elect the President by majority vote, choosing from the three candidates who received the greatest number of electoral votes. The vote would be taken by state, with each state having one vote.[/QUOTE]

How does the House of Representatives breakdown since each state only gets one vote? If a state is mixed Dem/Rep, how would they determine their vote?

Or do ou think that the recounts will be completed before the 13th and the Electoral college vote go without issues.

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Oh I thought you meant "recount your opinions " of Trump. LOL
Just that in the wake of these latest swampy hirings it sounded like a good idea for a thread.
This guy just keeps getting better. In a comedic way.
Seriously though I think the recount is just an exercise in futility. Regardless of the "law" or what the archives say, because it is becoming quite obvious that the constitution or fact means nothing at all in this country.

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As a country we are quite fond of wasting money and time on exercises such as these. This is more about propping up Jill Stein popularity and status than the recount...extremely selfish.

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I doubt anything comes of it, although anything that ruffles Trump's delicate feathers is alright with me.

I think we've got much bigger things to be concerned with as far as his presidency goes.

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[QUOTE=MTK;1157366]I doubt anything comes of it, although anything that ruffles Trump's delicate feathers is alright with me.

I think we've got much bigger things to be concerned with as far as his presidency goes.[/QUOTE]



Exactly. This is just something else that will assure he continues to act like a juvenile and eventually even the most stubborn trumpers will have to acknowledge the fact that they put an unstable, two bit con artist, hypocritical, hate monger in the Oval Office.
This cabinet should already be enough to turn the Trumpers off. He is not draining the swamp. He is hiring the swamp. But I know, it is because they know the swamp?!?!? Holy shit. Suckers are born every day.
Goldman Sachs was the culprit during the campaign. They were public enemy number one. They stood for Wall Street and Trump was going to take them down. Now they run the country. Good job dipshit.
Oh and this bullshit with Carrier. Hahaha. Mike Pences hometown. They did not threaten them about going to Mexico like they said. They paid them to stay! Crony Capitalism at its finest! Let us see the details of this great deal? Or are they under audit too? Wake the fuck UP people.

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It is a who's who of old white men. I wonder if they call Kellyanne Conway sweetheart or toots?

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[QUOTE=TheMalcolmConnection;1157371]It is a who's who of old white men. I wonder if they call Kellyanne Conway sweetheart or toots?[/QUOTE]



I know what I call her...it starts with C and isn't cutie

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Her face is almost more upsetting than Trump's.

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Does it rhyme with schmunt?

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[QUOTE=TheMalcolmConnection;1157373]Her face is almost more upsetting than Trump's.[/QUOTE]



Sooooo true. I really am not sure which face I could tolerate longer. Possibly him actually. She straight up has the devil inside her. Bob Dylan once said, "and all of your money can never buy back your soul".

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[QUOTE=TheMalcolmConnection;1157374]Does it rhyme with schmunt?[/QUOTE]



It does!

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[quote=punch it in;1157368]Exactly. This is just something else that will assure he continues to act like a juvenile and eventually even the most stubborn trumpers will have to acknowledge the fact that they put an unstable, two bit con artist, hypocritical, hate monger in the Oval Office.
This cabinet should already be enough to turn the Trumpers off. He is not draining the swamp. He is hiring the swamp. But I know, it is because they know the swamp?!?!? Holy shit. Suckers are born every day.
Goldman Sachs was the culprit during the campaign. They were public enemy number one. They stood for Wall Street and Trump was going to take them down. Now they run the country. Good job dipshit.
Oh and this bullshit with Carrier. Hahaha. Mike Pences hometown. They did not threaten them about going to Mexico like they said. They paid them to stay! Crony Capitalism at its finest! Let us see the details of this great deal? Or are they under audit too? Wake the fuck UP people.[/quote]

Just wow.

Im just lost with the left on so much...I feel a lot of this is goes back to a general principal of "Protecting Obama", his legacy, etc.

I feel people who support the President (left, middle, who ever) love this president so much (and he is a great, easy to get along with type dude, no question, the type of guy you want to drink a beer with and hang with) they are willing to say and believe anything that reinforces his failed positions. It has come to the point where people are actively rooting another police shooting of a minority, another mass shooting, another example of Islamic phobia, another outrageous racist social media post, if there is a terrorist attack- they want the suspect to be white and a Jesus freak-there is disappointment when its another muslim, etc.

This past week the event at Ohio St, these same folks went to social media, comments section of news sites, left leaning bubble sites and immediately started with the anti-gun, mass shooting stuff. Its like "everybody to the gym, time to have a spirit rally for one of our favorite teams!!!!" Yet, there was no gun involved...

[B]Its a defensive mechanism to protect this President because he has failed to do the one thing he promised, to bring everyone together and give this country hope. Failure, F Grade[/B]. The country seems more divided than ever, the country is less safe, the world is more volatile and our influence as a nation around the world has been severally damaged. Yet, their is very little talk of the failures by folks and the media.

Now because the new President actually put work in to save American, working class jobs, their is a backlash. Folks seemed to be now rallying for us to lose these jobs overseas. Is this the case? We simply are not making sense as a country anymore.

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I couldn't possibly care less about this recount effort and won't give it any significant thought. It's just noise. Trump's going to end up president.

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The Carrier thing was a total bullshit PR move.

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[url]http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/the-parts-the-carrier-deal-trump-doesnt-want-talk-about?cid=sm_fb_maddow[/url]

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[quote=MTK;1157422][url=http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/the-parts-the-carrier-deal-trump-doesnt-want-talk-about?cid=sm_fb_maddow]The parts of the Carrier deal Trump doesn't want to talk about | MSNBC[/url][/quote]


Maddow!!! :rofl:

Her despair on election night was palpable (and well worth the price of admission)

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1157377]Just wow.



Im just lost with the left on so much...I feel a lot of this is goes back to a general principal of "Protecting Obama", his legacy, etc.



I feel people who support the President (left, middle, who ever) love this president so much (and he is a great, easy to get along with type dude, no question, the type of guy you want to drink a beer with and hang with) they are willing to say and believe anything that reinforces his failed positions. It has come to the point where people are actively rooting another police shooting of a minority, another mass shooting, another example of Islamic phobia, another outrageous racist social media post, if there is a terrorist attack- they want the suspect to be white and a Jesus freak-there is disappointment when its another muslim, etc.



This past week the event at Ohio St, these same folks went to social media, comments section of news sites, left leaning bubble sites and immediately started with the anti-gun, mass shooting stuff. Its like "everybody to the gym, time to have a spirit rally for one of our favorite teams!!!!" Yet, there was no gun involved...



[B]Its a defensive mechanism to protect this President because he has failed to do the one thing he promised, to bring everyone together and give this country hope. Failure, F Grade[/B]. The country seems more divided than ever, the country is less safe, the world is more volatile and our influence as a nation around the world has been severally damaged. Yet, their is very little talk of the failures by folks and the media.



Now because the new President actually put work in to save American, working class jobs, their is a backlash. Folks seemed to be now rallying for us to lose these jobs overseas. Is this the case? We simply are not making sense as a country anymore.[/QUOTE]



I get a wow, but basically I am a far leftist who is actively rooting for police shootings and am protecting Obama who I did not even mention? All because I did not vote for Donald Fucking Trump - who somehow has become the baby of Jesus and Patton. Wtf? You forgot about the flags I just burned.
What is the next step up from Wow?

I am talking about Carrier and his cabinet? I am giving my opinion of those two things only. Wtf are u bringing up Obama and cop killers for?

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[QUOTE=CRedskinsRule;1157426]Maddow!!! :rofl:



Her despair on election night was palpable (and well worth the price of admission)[/QUOTE]


Carrier was low hanging fruit in Pences home town. He did not threaten Carrier. He fucking paid them off. It is blatant Crony Capitalism. Can you imagine if Hillary did this. Omg. If Trump, you know the one responsible for outsourcing thousands of jobs, somehow puts Americans back to work in America over the next four years I will celebrate it. But 1000 jobs paid for hardly makes him the savior of the USA. Obama saved a shit ton of jobs. A shit ton. This guy throws a bone to Carrier and we are crazy for doubting him. Hahahaha.
Edit: Chico now I mentioned Obama. Feel free to talk about my love of death and chaos. Oh and the extreme pleasure I get from thinking about innocent hard working Americans left defenseless by having their second amendment stripped by a potus who may or may not be from this planet gunned down by Mexican immigrants who get government issued weapons with their food stamps. Smfh

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[url]https://youtu.be/eBlD2N_AwgI[/url]

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[QUOTE=CRedskinsRule;1157426]Maddow!!! :rofl:



Her despair on election night was palpable (and well worth the price of admission)[/QUOTE]


Probably a good reflection of how more than half the country was feeling not to mention the rest of the world. I know I went to bed sick to my stomach. But hey I can't wait until we're great again!

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[QUOTE=MTK;1157436]Probably a good reflection of how more than half the country was feeling not to mention the rest of the world. I know I went to bed sick to my stomach. But hey I can't wait until we're great again![/QUOTE]



There are a vast more amount of people in the world who are sickened by the scumbag than those who are not......and it is not even close.

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[quote=MTK;1157366]I doubt anything comes of it, although anything that ruffles Trump's delicate feathers is alright with me.

I think we've got much bigger things to be concerned with as far as his presidency goes.[/quote]

Like his Cabinet picks.

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[QUOTE=punch it in;1157439]There are a vast more amount of people in the world who are sickened by the scumbag than those who are not......and it is not even close.[/QUOTE]
Nah. It's the same for either side. 52% of the voters didn't want either. But someone had to win. Let's see where we are in two years.

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[QUOTE=CRedskinsRule;1157443]Nah. It's the same for either side. 52% of the voters didn't want either. But someone had to win. Let's see where we are in two years.

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61% disapprove of him now. However i was referring to the entire world,...
A world poll would be more like 85%. They think the guy is bat shit crazy across the pond. Possibly because he is. Lol

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[QUOTE=punch it in;1157445]61% disapprove of him now. However i was referring to the entire world,...
A world poll would be more like 85%. They think the guy is bat shit crazy across the pond. Possibly because he is. Lol[/QUOTE]
And in the US 61% would disapprove of HC based on cnn's exit polls. That's just the way of the US right now. As for the world, I can speak to my German aunt's point of view. And that is that he is crazy but it's based on the media skewed point of view. The world doesn't get US first politicians, and truthfully it scares them. It shouldn't.

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[QUOTE=CRedskinsRule;1157446]And in the US 61% would disapprove of HC based on cnn's exit polls. That's just the way of the US right now. As for the world, I can speak to my German aunt's point of view. And that is that he is crazy but it's based on the media skewed point of view. The world doesn't get US first politicians, and truthfully it scares them. It shouldn't.

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Come on C Red the media made Trump crazy? Lol. I guess maybe we have different opinions of crazy. I do not need msnbc to see that the guy is unstable. It is painfully obvious.

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Oh and Bernie would be a helluva lot more popular than both of them. Feel the bern baby. [emoji91]

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[QUOTE=punch it in;1157447]Come on C Red the media made Trump crazy? Lol. I guess maybe we have different opinions of crazy. I do not need msnbc to see that the guy is unstable. It is painfully obvious.[/QUOTE]
No. He's crazy - the media just skews the craziness into some dangerous thing that is about as real as Freddy on elm street

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Hillary has a 2.5 million vote lead in the popular vote. The voters spoke and the message is clear we didn't want this clown.

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[QUOTE=MTK;1157450]Hillary has a 2.5 million vote lead in the popular vote. The voters spoke and the message is clear we didn't want this clown.[/QUOTE]
No. Neither candidate got more than 50% the message is clear that the country is deeply divided and neither candidate was the choice of all the people.

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[QUOTE=CRedskinsRule;1157449]No. He's crazy - the media just skews the craziness into some dangerous thing that is about as real as Freddy on elm street

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Oh thank you God. Haha. I feel better. And yes I do agree. He is not Hitler. We are not on the verge of a dictatorship. However - and this is a huuuuuuge however - if this guy gets his feathers ruffled now - and they do get ruffled. What happens when Putin, or Kim Jong-un gets under his skin? What happens when he starts tweeting to them at 4 am????
Being unstable with thin skin and a twitter account in the whitehouse is not as "un-dangerous " as you maybe think.
His unstable nature incites hate and hate crime. You cannot tweet about someone losing their citizenship for flag burning. That is the most hypocritical thing ever. Flag = freedom. Freedom = right to burn flag. Exercising freedom = losing freedom???? Put aside ur thoughts on the flag burning, it is a dangerous equation. Especially from the incoming potus for christ sake.
He has shown no ability to hold his composure, or let the water run off his back.
Is he Hitler - nope. Could never happen this day and age (i think!). Could his unstable nature ruffle the wrong feathers though that could lead to something bigger - hell yes.
My only hope is that this four years goes by before he even gets close to going to far. And i think that is a very fair concern and a very real one.

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[QUOTE=CRedskinsRule;1157451]No. Neither candidate got more than 50% the message is clear that the country is deeply divided and neither candidate was the choice of all the people.

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Split hairs all you want, she won the popular vote by a significant margin.

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I agree about the thin skin. He needs a quiet place where he can tweet away(without going into the real world) and get it out of his system then come out and move on with the issues.

The office of the president changes the people who have held it. I hope he will get better on that part as he bears the daily burden.

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Has a president elect ever done a victory tour? I mean WTF is this nonsense all about?

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[QUOTE=MTK;1157453]Split hairs all you want, she won the popular vote by a significant margin.[/QUOTE]
It's not splitting hairs. Over 60million people voted for each candidate. Neither claims a lock on the will of all the people. Sorry your lady lost the part that counts.

In football terms. Hillary put up 420 yds to Trump's 300, but Trump scored in the red zone where Hillary didn't. Yes Hillary is the redskins (no I'm still not rooting for her)

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[quote=punch it in;1157431]I get a wow, but basically I am a far leftist who is actively rooting for police shootings and am protecting Obama who I did not even mention? All because I did not vote for Donald Fucking Trump - who somehow has become the baby of Jesus and Patton. Wtf? You forgot about the flags I just burned.
What is the next step up from Wow?

I am talking about Carrier and his cabinet? I am giving my opinion of those two things only. Wtf are u bringing up Obama and cop killers for?[/quote]

Not you directly homie, certainly it's something I've picked up from the media and online over the last several years. The Orlando terrorist attack on the night club it was confirmed...where facts of the case came to light and the left still insisted on making up the narrative of motive. I remember reading comments on MSNBC.com where people were openly commenting "oh no, please don't let this person be Muslim." They we're openingly rooting for a religious, white gun nut which could serve their own political agenda. That's when I "woke". :)

I actually believe it's a strong motivating factor which lead to the trump presidency. Folks are so sick and tired of this movement to creating false narratives which aren't based on fact.

The left are chasing these ideological constructs and offer zero solutions...and at the same time seem to forget how they got there and actually who is/was in charge.

If you sit back and look at everything...it's quite amazing. And now when it's seems like we should be celebrating a company who decided to keep jobs here, some seem fucking pissed. You want these people to be out of a job for the holidays? What's going on with this country? Would it satisfy the left, if the compromise was to have illegal illegrants come up from Mexico and fill these jobs here carrier promised to bring? The logic seems like it would.

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I think it's great people are keeping their jobs, but let's skip the bullshit and call it what is is. $7 million in tax incentives to save 1000 jobs? Something doesn't add up. So what do we do now anytime a company threatens to move jobs? Bend over backwards and give them millions in tax breaks? Sounds like the usual story of the rich getting richer. More trickle down clowns.

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And the white gun toting nut bags were praying it was a muslim for their agenda.
Listen man i am 90 % instinct and 10 % news. Same as I am with the skins. I get a better feel for a player watching him play and pay little to no attention to rankings write ups stats projections etc etc.
lets just say my instinct has been pretty good so far in my life. Im not talented in any way. I am not uber successful. But i gotta a pretty good instinct. Like i did about KC a couple years ago. Lets just say if Trump was a qb i get a feeling reminiscent of going into the Beck year. Pence is Sexy Rexy. He is better but certainly not the guy. I hope the next four years is not as disastrous as that. I really do. But don't bet against my gut. It has eery powers. Lol
C-Red I just saw you tied football into this too. Haha.

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[QUOTE=MTK;1157458]I think it's great people are keeping their jobs, but let's skip the bullshit and call it what is is. $7 million in tax incentives to save 1000 jobs? Something doesn't add up. So what do we do now anytime a company threatens to move jobs? Bend over backwards and give them millions in tax breaks? Sounds like the usual story of the rich getting richer. More trickle down clowns.[/QUOTE]



Exactly. Well said. Nobody is unhappy about those families. Duh. But this was low hanging fruit and is not a sustainable strategy long term. Not even close. So show me something built to last. Not a PR stunt for christ sake.

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Another thing Chico. Not just you, but the vast majority of the right always wants to label anyone with disdain for Trump a leftist a liberal whatever. Assumes we not only voted for Obama but we think he is the cats meow.
Isn't it extremely possible that someone could have disdain for Trump just because of who he is. No agenda. No party affiliation. No nothing. Just not a fan of the person at all whatsoever. I mean he is "supposed" to be the "new" breed of politician. So this is a new breed of disdain. This is not Bush Vs Gore. This is brand new. It is not about Obama or libs or millennials or any of that. It is just pure disdain. Up until this point there is plenty of reason for it too.
Many republicans have disdain for him. I dont care what they say now. They better get in line. But you know damn well there were a shit ton from the right that did not want him in.