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Welp we really needed that one. Tie is gonna keep us out of the playoffs most likely.

Thank god David Johnson isn't in our division, guy is a beast. He is awesome at getting through tight holes and has an ability for shifty moves within the hole. Twice i saw him perfectly blanketed with coverage...Cravens and Bree...and twice he made great catch for big plays.


Look, playoff teams win that game. On defense we are screwed up front...McC didn't get us help at NT or DE in the offseason and it's killed the team. Everyone knew we needed help going into the season and the moves we made weren't good. Also at the backend of the defense at safety we don't have enough coverage talent. The final td to seal the game it reared its ugly head again with no help over the top. Bruton was a bad free agent signing.

Cousins was just ok today. Of course Kelly ran well but we didn't go to him enough. Mcvay's inability to scheme a balance offensive attack is holding us back especially in the red zone. He's overrated IMO.

Hats off to Carson Palmer today, he was great...Fitzgerald as well.

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McVay is doing OK for a first time coordinator, who still learning. Today showed he's not ready to be a head coach, tho.

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[quote=Chico23231;1157940]Welp we really needed that one. Tie is gonna keep us out of the playoffs most likely.

Thank god David Johnson isn't in our division, guy is a beast. He is awesome at getting through tight holes and has an ability for shifty moves within the hole. Twice i saw him perfectly blanketed with coverage...Cravens and Bree...and twice he made great catch for big plays.


Look, playoff teams win that game. On defense we are screwed up front...McC didn't get us help at NT or DE in the offseason and it's killed the team. Everyone knew we needed help going into the season and the moves we made weren't good. Also at the backend of the defense at safety we don't have enough coverage talent. The final td to seal the game it reared its ugly head again with no help over the top. Bruton was a bad free agent signing.

Cousins was just ok today. Of course Kelly ran well but we didn't go to him enough. Mcvay's inability to scheme a balance offensive attach is holding us back especially in the red zone. He's overrated IMO.

Hats off to Carson Palmer today, he was great...Fitzgerald as well.[/quote]

Good points. I really think what we're seeing now is the lack of addressing our weaknesses on D. Everyone can blame Joe Barry all they want, but they better hold McL accountable too.

It's not rocket science...you build long term winners from the lines out and we really haven't focused on that strongly enough.

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Damn!!!!! No college football for another couple weeks! !!!

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we need to take the L and move on to PHI. If we beat them and NO beats TB we r back in the 6 seed. Also need Dal to beat NY

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[quote=FlyerSkin;1157944]Damn!!!!! No college football for another couple weeks! !!![/quote]

Army - Navy game next week

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No more freaking out for me. It is what it is. We're a decent/good team on an upward trajectory, with a still severely flawed defense that needs another off season to improve, and probably another 2, to be good. Might get into the playoffs, might win 1 game if we get a good matchup, but that's it, that's the ceiling for this season. I think we'll finish 9-6-1.

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[quote=Bangee7;1157943]Good points. I really think what we're seeing now is the lack of addressing our weaknesses on D. Everyone can blame Joe Barry all they want, but they better hold McL accountable too.

It's not rocket science...you build long term winners from the lines out and we really haven't focused on that strongly enough.[/quote]

Folks blaming Barry aren't watching the game.

Luavao needs to go. Dude was fuckin terrible today. I think we found our solution at center with Spencer long for the future but Lauvao needs to be replaced.

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How bout Ryan Grant with the game of his life.. 2 catches for 20 yards. Beast mode

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I said 9-7 at the start and I still say 9 wins is what we get. we'll lose to NY last game of season but we'll have the 6 seed already due to the tie.

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[quote=SirLK26;1157954]How bout Ryan Grant with the game of his life.. 2 catches for 20 yards. Beast mode[/quote]

Lol. Shocking...he didn't slip and fall today? That's his usual go too move

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Been saying since game 4 or 5 I would be shocked if we make playoffs because of the defense,today was no surprise.This game turned out EXACTLY as I predicted in the pregame thread,to quote myself:
[B][I]"Thats the formula for every game isnt it? I dont see it happening.We dont have a magic pill for the defense thats going to fix it,Johnson has been the best back in the league since he became a starter.If we can get lucky and get some leads and Johnson doesnt get many carries then thats the only way I see us stopping him.
Palmer is old but he's still capable of having a great game,especially against our defense.I wont be shocked if we win by any stretch,but I'm more inclined to go with Az at home in this one.We have to get tds in the red zone,and thats another thing we need a magic pill for,because we dont capitalize when we have those opportunities."[/I][/B]

I didnt get to see the game,was driving around town listening to around the nfl on the radio when they cut to the redskins with 3rd and 1 on the goal line and they throw a focking fade!!? WTF,I thought i was going to have an aneurysm I was so focking mad.And I heard gruden saying earlier in the week they werent running enough in the red zone and then they pull that shit.And on top of that we make Carson Palmer look all pro again{which I was expecting,but damn!}I thing he had 104 rating for the game.
With this defense it's going to be hard to make playoffs,then add shitty playcalling in redzone to the list,well:doh:

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[quote=Chico23231;1157940]Welp we really needed that one. Tie is gonna keep us out of the playoffs most likely.

Thank god David Johnson isn't in our division, guy is a beast. He is awesome at getting through tight holes and has an ability for shifty moves within the hole. Twice i saw him perfectly blanketed with coverage...Cravens and Bree...and twice he made great catch for big plays.


Look, playoff teams win that game. On defense we are screwed up front...McC didn't get us help at NT or DE in the offseason and it's killed the team. Everyone knew we needed help going into the season and the moves we made weren't good. Also at the backend of the defense at safety we don't have enough coverage talent. The final td to seal the game it reared its ugly head again with no help over the top. Bruton was a bad free agent signing.

Cousins was just ok today. Of course Kelly ran well but we didn't go to him enough. Mcvay's inability to scheme a balance offensive attack is holding us back especially in the red zone. He's overrated IMO.

Hats off to Carson Palmer today, he was great...Fitzgerald as well.[/quote]

I think we all have to remember that we're not going the FA route anymore. The FA's that SM is going to sign are journeymen type of guys. He's going to upgrade the defense and the team basically through the draft.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1157967]I think we all have to remember that we're not going the FA route anymore. The FA's that SM is going to sign are journeymen type of guys. He's going to upgrade the defense and the team basically through the draft.[/quote]

Free agent route is ok if you have a plan

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The tie is gonna play huge for us. If we finish with 9 wins we get in because of it unless Tampa just rolls and wins out. Highly unlikely

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[quote=Bishop Hammer;1157941]McVay is doing OK for a first time coordinator, who still learning. Today showed he's not ready to be a head coach, tho.[/quote]

The red zone offense is bad..... no running game (1.2 ypc) .... a first down fade to Desean Jackson vs Peterson ???????

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McVay is a great coordinator, but until he gets our 6'2 wideout with jump ball skills healthy he needs to eliminate the fade from the playbook. Jesus f he calls that play at the worst times.

As for scapegoats, I'm going with Trent Williams. I know Lauvao sucked ass today but I feel like T.Will's absence puts a lot of pressure on Lauvao and he looks worse when he doesn't have a guy like T.Will covering his ass. Nsekhe holds his own but I feel like these last 4 weeks have put a harsh spotlight on Lauvao and how bad he is, but we don't notice it as much when T.Will is balling out next to him. Honestly I'm just really disappointed in Trent, gd I am a firm believer in the healing powers of weed as compared to Vicodin/etc. but as a team captain he has to know how valuable he is to the team. After Long and Nsekhe went down they teed off on us, and if T.Will had been here I feel like we would've had a better shot at winning. Honestly I'm pretty glad Trent is back next week but I don't trust him as much anymore, you have to be smart on and off the field these days.

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I was so demoralized after this loss. Honestly, I was in a better mood after the loss on Thanksgiving day than I was after this loss. The Redskins really needed this game, because things are so tight in the NFC, that I'm not sure if 10 wins will get you in. I really look at the rest of this season as every game is, without a doubt, a must win game. I don't think 9 wins gets the Redskins in this year, and you can't count on other teams helping you.

Yesterday's game was a big example of how much we need Jordan Reed, a healthy offensive line, and a better defense. That one play our left tackle goes out, and Cousins gets the ball stripped. Vernon Davis has helped us out this year, but when it comes down to needing a playmaker in these late season games, you need Jordan Reed.

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That one bull rush that Campbell did to Lauvao was embarrassing. I also said it a billion times in the game-day thread, but for fuck's sake, the third down defense made the game almost unwatchable. Out of all the bad shit the Skins do, it's when they consistently give up third down, it makes my blood boil. Even when it was third and FOREVER, I was confident they would get it. Defense actually played well the first two downs.

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TWO things that are glaring weakness..#1 REDZONE OFFENSE #2 3RD DOWN DEFENSE ..nothing less nothing more! with the talent on offense this really is more on coaches..the D really is a lack of talent so that is on Scott to get us help. Truth is with these 2 major weakness even if we get to the playoffs we won't win..we have the worst 3rd down D in league! THE WORST! This team making the playoffs would be like showing off your new tricked out car in front of your friends only to have it quit running and you have to pop the hood while your friends are laughing at you..that really is what we have in this team.

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[QUOTE=metalskins;1157988]I was so demoralized after this loss. Honestly, I was in a better mood after the loss on Thanksgiving day than I was after this loss. The Redskins really needed this game, because things are so tight in the NFC, that I'm not sure if 10 wins will get you in. I really look at the rest of this season as every game is, without a doubt, a must win game. I don't think 9 wins gets the Redskins in this year, and you can't count on other teams helping you.

Yesterday's game was a big example of how much we need Jordan Reed, a healthy offensive line, and a better defense. That one play our left tackle goes out, and Cousins gets the ball stripped. Vernon Davis has helped us out this year, but when it comes down to needing a playmaker in these late season games, you need Jordan Reed.[/QUOTE]
U can't rely on Reed though, I hate to say it but he's always hurt. He's an amazing player that when healthy is the best TE in football but he is made of glass. Every time I see him go down I feel like he's hurt. Tough mfer but still. Also we didn't have the best LT in football for 4 games. Remember when that happened and we all said if we go 2-2 without him we are ok? Well we did. Arizona is much better than record shows especially at home. They are loaded on both sides and it showed yesterday. Basically the last Qtr of the season is on us, we have 4 winnable games and if NY clinches the 5 seed they won't even care in week 17. I say we get in barely.

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Why did Gruden kick a fg to go to 24-23? Did he think the D was actually going to stop their offense? That was dumb as hell.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1157994]Why did Gruden kick a fg to go to 24-23? Did he think the D was actually going to stop their offense? That was dumb as hell.[/quote]

It was actually the only call to be made IMO: after that they scored a TD, 31-23, so that fieldgoal gave us a chance to score a TD and go for 2, tie the game... But KC threw an INT under pressure.

How dumb does he look if he goes for it and we fail?... they would've scored a TD because as you pointed out our D was unable to stop them... 31 - 23 with 2 min to go is way better than 31-20 with 2 min to go...

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[url=http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/18206864/redskins-jay-gruden-blasts-team-frustrating-loss-cardinals]Redskins' Jay Gruden blasts team after 'frustrating' loss to Cardinals[/url]

Jay Grudes rippin' this team a second asshole, I like it. Too sloppy yesterday, too many penalties, the bad start, the strip sack, d not getting off the field. Our next 3 are against bad teams right now, we have to take advantage.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1157994]Why did Gruden kick a fg to go to 24-23? Did he think the D was actually going to stop their offense? That was dumb as hell.[/quote]

I think it was like 4th and 9 and the way we were playing on offense, especially those last couple of drives, it didn't look like we would make it anyway. I would have probably preferred a punt here.

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Positives:

-Fat Rob
-The O-line considering Long went down early. A part from Lauvao they all did a good job.
-Mason Foster. IMO the guy is quietly having a really good season. Made some plays against the run, always solid tackles, made a beautiful diving deflection on a pass play.
-Sua Cravens also made some great plays. Even when he was beaten on pass plays he was covering pretty good.
-Defense kept us until the 4th quarter.

Negatives:

-Defense getting picked apart in the 4th quarter.
-Safeties.
-Pre-snap penalties on offense (false starts, illegal shift...)
-Redzone offense
-Dropped passes in the first half.

-That holding call on Norman on 3rd down late in the 4th (before they scored their last TD) was a bad one.

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The most frustrating thing about this team, I believe, is their inability to put together a complete game. Or even 3 solid quaters. We've seen it happen too many times this year, especially coming slow out the gate, looking flat and unfocused.

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[quote=J. Falcon;1158000]I think it was like 4th and 9 and the way we were playing on offense, especially those last couple of drives, it didn't look like we would make it anyway. I would have probably preferred a punt here.[/quote]

It was 4th and 6.

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[url=http://www.csnmidatlantic.com/washington-redskins/five-observations-redskins-loss-cardinals]Five observations from the Redskins' loss to the Cardinals | CSN Mid-Atlantic[/url]

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1157991]U can't rely on Reed though, I hate to say it but he's always hurt. He's an amazing player that when healthy is the best TE in football but he is made of glass. Every time I see him go down I feel like he's hurt. Tough mfer but still. Also we didn't have the best LT in football for 4 games. Remember when that happened and we all said if we go 2-2 without him we are ok? Well we did. Arizona is much better than record shows especially at home. They are loaded on both sides and it showed yesterday. Basically the last Qtr of the season is on us, we have 4 winnable games and if NY clinches the 5 seed they won't even care in week 17. I say we get in barely.[/quote]

Guys like Reed and even ol' Gronk are not going to be 16 game a season guys, because of the way they approach the game. They don't hold back, which is what makes them the best tight ends in football. But, it makes them more, realistically, 10 game a season guys. So, you feel as a coaching staff, if you can squeeze out 10 solid games with these guys, maybe that equates to 10 wins. That's also why Scot McCloughan went out and got Vernon Davis, and why the Patriots picked up the murderer a few years ago.

I have to say though, Ty Nsekhe has held his own in the four games he has had to play for Silverback. I will be glad to see Trent back in the lineup, but I don't think we lost the last two games because we didn't have Trent Williams. I don't think Ty allowed a sack at all. That said, the one play he has to go out is the play Cousins got the stripped sacked, so, yeah, not having Williams or Nsekhe on that play really cost the 'skins.

The good thing is, the Redskins are used to having to win out to make the playoffs. Hopefully they're going to have everyone back and healthy enough to make the run. We will get Williams back, but I think coach Callahan needs to look at working Ty Nsekhe into that lineup, because he's been very valuable for us. Reed will help along the way, but this game serves as a wake up call that this team is going to have to fight tooth and nail if they want to get back in the playoffs this year.

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[QUOTE=metalskins;1158010]Guys like Reed and even ol' Gronk are not going to be 16 game a season guys, because of the way they approach the game. They don't hold back, which is what makes them the best tight ends in football. But, it makes them more, realistically, 10 game a season guys. So, you feel as a coaching staff, if you can squeeze out 10 solid games with these guys, maybe that equates to 10 wins. That's also why Scot McCloughan went out and got Vernon Davis, and why the Patriots picked up the murderer a few years ago.

I have to say though, Ty Nsekhe has held his own in the four games he has had to play for Silverback. I will be glad to see Trent back in the lineup, but I don't think we lost the last two games because we didn't have Trent Williams. I don't think Ty allowed a sack at all. That said, the one play he has to go out is the play Cousins got the stripped sacked, so, yeah, not having Williams or Nsekhe on that play really cost the 'skins.

The good thing is, the Redskins are used to having to win out to make the playoffs. Hopefully they're going to have everyone back and healthy enough to make the run. We will get Williams back, but I think coach Callahan needs to look at working Ty Nsekhe into that lineup, because he's been very valuable for us. Reed will help along the way, but this game serves as a wake up call that this team is going to have to fight tooth and nail if they want to get back in the playoffs this year.[/QUOTE]
I think we will win out. Something tells me this team has the heart and fight to dig out. Tampa is really our only true concern and they play NO twice. Dallas and Carolina. Like I said though, even getting in I just don't see our defense being able to win a game against Atlanta or Detroit on the road.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1157967]I think we all have to remember that we're not going the FA route anymore. The FA's that SM is going to sign are journeymen type of guys. He's going to upgrade the defense and the team basically through the draft.[/quote]

We have kept a few of our own free agents...and I would say that Josh Norman is more than a journeyman. While the draft is where you make your money, I wouldn't say that SM won't sign any impact free agents.

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[quote=Irrefutable;1157974]The red zone offense is bad..... no running game (1.2 ypc) .... a first down fade to Desean Jackson vs Peterson ???????[/quote]

That fade call was just dumb. The penalty didn't help. First and goal at the 1 = FG? :doh:

This team did not look like they deserved a playoff spot.

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[quote=metalskins;1158010]Guys like Reed and even ol' Gronk are not going to be 16 game a season guys, because of the way they approach the game. They don't hold back, which is what makes them the best tight ends in football. But, it makes them more, realistically, 10 game a season guys. So, you feel as a coaching staff, if you can squeeze out 10 solid games with these guys, maybe that equates to 10 wins. That's also why Scot McCloughan went out and got Vernon Davis, and why the Patriots picked up the murderer a few years ago.

I have to say though, Ty Nsekhe has held his own in the four games he has had to play for Silverback. I will be glad to see Trent back in the lineup, but I don't think we lost the last two games because we didn't have Trent Williams. I don't think Ty allowed a sack at all. [B]That said, the one play he has to go out is the play Cousins got the stripped sacked, so, yeah, not having Williams or Nsekhe on that play really cost the 'skins. [/B]

The good thing is, the Redskins are used to having to win out to make the playoffs. Hopefully they're going to have everyone back and healthy enough to make the run. We will get Williams back, but I think coach Callahan needs to look at working Ty Nsekhe into that lineup, because he's been very valuable for us. Reed will help along the way, but this game serves as a wake up call that this team is going to have to fight tooth and nail if they want to get back in the playoffs this year.[/quote]

Not sure anyone could have done anything for Lauvao, he really got destroyed on that play.

How long do you think Long will be out?
Sullivan did a pretty good job at center yesterday, didn't he? But I think Long's absence can hurt us.

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The Redskins defense is your prototypical bend and more often than not break defense. They'll get some stops, and they'll look decent against an average or below average offense. However, against a decent QB, with a decent O-line, a couple playmakers, and a capable play caller they are going to give up 25-30+ points. That puts a lot of pressure on the offense, and is not a recipe for success to make it to the playoffs, or make any noise if they happen to get there.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1158027]The Redskins defense is your prototypical bend and more often than not break defense. They'll get some stops, and they'll look decent against an average or below average offense. However, against a decent QB, with a decent O-line, a couple playmakers, and a capable play caller they are going to give up 25-30+ points. That puts a lot of pressure on the offense, and is not a recipe for success to make it to the playoffs, or make any noise if they happen to get there.[/quote]

Bend but don't break defenses only are ok if they know how to take the ball away. This defense doesn't do that.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1158024]That fade call was just dumb. The penalty didn't help. First and goal at the 1 = FG? :doh:

This team did not look like they deserved a playoff spot.[/quote]

I feel the same way! First off, you don't throw a fade to a little wide receiver like Desean Jackson! Secondly, Patrick Peterson is a top 3 shut down corner and will effectively defend that play 10 out of 10 times, even against a much taller receiver....that fade was the dumbest play call I ever saw!

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;1158031]I feel the same way! First off, you don't throw a fade to a little wide receiver like Desean Jackson! Secondly, Patrick Peterson is a top 3 shut down corner and will effectively defend that play 10 out of 10 times, even against a much taller receiver....that fade was the dumbest play call I ever saw![/quote]

Second dumbest, second only to the wildcat call against the Cowboys.

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[quote=FlyerSkin;1158028]Bend but don't break defenses only are ok if they know how to take the ball away. This defense doesn't do that.[/quote]

They were pretty good at taking the ball away early in the season and in spots, but it hasn't carried through the entire season...they are definitely below average in that category.

I didn't say bend but don't break. I said bend and "more often than not break" defense. They definitely break...which is why the offense usually has to put up 30+ points for them to have a chance.