Redskins promote Greg Manusky to defensive coordinator
 

The Washington Redskins' search for their next defensive coordinator took more than two weeks. But in the end they didn't have to go far, giving the job to a familiar face in the organization: outside linebackers coach Greg Manusky.

[url=http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/18531259/washington-redskins-promote-greg-manusky-defensive-coordinator-job]Washington Redskins promote Greg Manusky for defensive coordinator job[/url]

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Any articles out there about Manusky's style from SF and Indy? How it contrasts with Barry's?

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Why we hired a guy that was below average in defensive output at his previous stints as DC is beyond me. I assume this probably means sticking to the 3-4, an LB focused defense. I am more than willing to give the guy a chance, but when you had better candidates, why not go for one of them. Wouldn't you want to go with a proven winner, with a proven scheme?

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Terrible

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1163631]Terrible

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Not necessarily terrible, but just bewildering. Is Dan doing a 180 on us and going on the cheap?

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[quote][url=http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1295186-san-diego-chargers-defense-liberated-from-former-coordinator-greg-manusky]San Diego Chargers' Defense Liberated from Former Coordinator Greg Manusky | Bleacher Report[/url]

Under Manusky, the Chargers could not get off the field on third down. A year after leading the league with opponents only converting 34 percent of their third down attempts, the Chargers put up the worst effort in the last 15 years. They allowed opponents to convert an amazing 49 percent of their attempts.

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[quote][url=http://www.colts.com/news/article-1/Colts-Part-Ways-With-Defensive-Coordinator-Greg-Manusky-Five-Other-Assistant-Coaches/12960131-7179-419d-8f9f-3dbf8d3c23b3]Colts Part Ways With
Defensive Coordinator Greg Manusky, Five Other Assistant Coaches[/url]

In Manusky’s tenure, the Colts run defense ranked consistently near the bottom of the NFL. The Colts were 29th in run defense during that time span.

Other stats of note for the Colts defense under Manusky: 25th in total defense, 20th in points per game and 15th in sacks per passing play.
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First link above from Bangee7 in the other thread. Both links describe in detail how bad his defenses were and why he was fired from his past two gigs.

Horrible move. It explains our worst fears -- we got the equivalent of Joe Barry - just a guy with a horrible track record of bad defenses. As has been said, it's certainly possible the good D candidates said no because of job security (ie. too much risk of Gruden getting fired in 2 years & having only 1-2 years in the role). But it's ludicrous to believe Manusky makes our D competitive. Best case scenario is Scott McC drafts well / gets good FA players, which automatically improve the defensive play despite Manusky / not because of him.

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This shows 2 things... It was a Gruden driven decision and if it doesn't work Gruden's head is on the chopping block.

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[QUOTE=diehardskin2982;1163635]This shows 2 things... It was a Gruden driven decision and if it doesn't work Gruden's head is on the chopping block.[/QUOTE]
I guess franchise KC and plan for a full rebuild in 2018.

Seriously deflating move.

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[quote=DYoungJelly;1163628]Any articles out there about Manusky's style from SF and Indy? How it contrasts with Barry's?[/quote]

Aggressive, attacking D. I saw 4 years of him here in SF and don't give a shit what any says about him. Did a decent job in Indy despite lack of defensive talent.

[url=http://www.colts.com/team/coaches/Greg-Manusky/6dd78169-300c-4a8f-a414-6e50fdf67126?qwr=fullsite_temporary]Indianapolis Colts: Greg Manusky[/url]

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It's ludicrous to think anybody would instantly make this D better with the current roster.

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[quote=diehardskin2982;1163635]This shows 2 things... It was a Gruden driven decision and if it doesn't work Gruden's head is on the chopping block.[/quote]

I think some of the comments on this issue on NFL.com and ESPN might have hit the head on the nail. With the uncertainty of Gruden/Cousins the gig might very well be only for one year, thus none of the big names were really that interested. Job security is the name of the game anywhere. Gruden and Kirk should have been extended for continuity's sake. I think Snyder just trapped the franchise into hiring second hand coaches. Once Gruden is gone it is back to square one. Nobody wants to work here. What we did to Shanny was terrible in hindsight.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1163636]I guess franchise KC and plan for a full rebuild in 2018.

Seriously deflating move.

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I was spot on. Being a former Redskin had something to do with it.

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[quote=MTK;1163639]It's ludicrous to think anybody would instantly make this D better with the current roster.[/quote]

Nobody thinks that. The big question is why didn't we get a proven winner. My previous post is what I am all about. My first post on the subject said I am more than willing to give the guy a shot. It will take 2 years minimum to get a top D created. The concern should be why we can't draw top talent or lose that talent. The uncertainty that seems to always hang over the head of our HC might be scaring folks off. By hedging our bets we might have screwed ourselves just as badly or actually worse off than if we pulled the trigger and extended Kirk and Gruden beforehand.

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[quote=FlyerSkin;1163641]I think some of the comments on this issue on NFL.com and ESPN might have hit the head on the nail. With the uncertainty of Gruden/Cousins the gig might very well be only for one year, thus none of the big names were really that interested. Job security is the name of the game anywhere. Gruden and Kirk should have been extended for continuity's sake. I think Snyder just trapped the franchise into hiring second hand coaches. Once Gruden is gone it is back to square one. Nobody wants to work here. What we did to Shanny was terrible in hindsight.[/quote]

Nah, I think Bradley was the top target with Manusky being the fallback option all along. I honestly don't think it's about it not being a desirable job. Outside of a few teams in the league there's no such thing as job security beyond 2-3 years.

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[QUOTE=FlyerSkin;1163641]I think some of the comments on this issue on NFL.com and ESPN might have hit the head on the nail. With the uncertainty of Gruden/Cousins the gig might very well be only for one year, thus none of the big names were really that interested. Job security is the name of the game anywhere. Gruden and Kirk should have been extended for continuity's sake. I think Snyder just trapped the franchise into hiring second hand coaches. Once Gruden is gone it is back to square one. Nobody wants to work here. What we did to Shanny was terrible in hindsight.[/QUOTE]
Its not on Snyder. Its on Gruden for hiring Barry in the first place when good DCs were available

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[quote=MTK;1163646]Nah, I think Bradley was the top target with Manusky being the fallback option all along. I honestly don't think it's about it not being a desirable job. Outside of a few teams in the league there's no such thing as job security beyond 2-3 years.[/quote]

I can go for that, but still you had Pettine and co on the table. Manusky was in similar situations with not a whole lot of talent at his previous DC gigs, but damn, get a stud if you can get one. There is no cap for coaches. I am glad the players like him and I hope he is more aggressive. I am not in this is terrible camp, just is unsettling that this might mean nobody of higher quality wants to work for us

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Hiring Manusky is like spending hours online looking at restaurants to go to, then just saying fuck it, and making a TV dinner.

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[quote=ethat001;1163634]First link above from Bangee7 in the other thread. Both links describe in detail how bad his defenses were and why he was fired from his past two gigs.

Horrible move. It explains our worst fears -- we got the equivalent of Joe Barry - just a guy with a horrible track record of bad defenses. As has been said, it's certainly possible the good D candidates said no because of job security (ie. too much risk of Gruden getting fired in 2 years & having only 1-2 years in the role). But it's ludicrous to believe Manusky makes our D competitive. Best case scenario is Scott McC drafts well / gets good FA players, which automatically improve the defensive play despite Manusky / not because of him.[/quote]

Barry was 32nd in both yards and points in his two years as a coordinator before he came here. You could see failure coming from a mile away. At least Manusky has had some competent defenses in other stops. Plus he has worked with McCloughan. Kind of an eh hire to me, but there's room for optimism unlike when Barry was hired

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I'll give him a chance, but this is disappointing to say the least

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Give Greg a year and some talent. They must sign mid-level free agents on defense CB, S and LB. Then draft defense.

Must play a 4-3.... Kerrigan, Smith, and Murphy are not OLBs. And they have no NT

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Best part, the players will like playing for him. The worst part, reading that source regarding his 3rd down defenses from the Chargers days. That terrifies me as that is our biggest weakness here already.

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Gruden continues to show an inability to expand his hiring comfort zone. I get that Bradley had options, but Pettine remains available. He was so obviously the best resume out there.

This better work this year or Gruden needs to be fired. He appears to just be a good coach. I'm not seeing any of the necessary leadership qualities.

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The thing is that there are coaches on this staff that they did not want to lose (Pleasant and Olivadotti) and so this allows them to keep those pieces in house. Watch for Tomsula to possibly become D-Line Coach, promote Pleasant to secondary coach and hire Jeff Fitzgerald Outside linebackers coach. May even add an additional coach for safeties.

I hope they could add Pettine as a positional coach in some capacity.

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[quote=diehardskin2982;1163660]The thing is that there are coaches on this staff that they did not want to lose (Pleasant and Olivadotti) and so this allows them to keep those pieces in house. Watch for Tomsula to possibly become D-Line Coach, promote Pleasant to secondary coach and hire Jeff Fitzgerald Outside linebackers coach. May even add an additional coach for safeties.

I hope they could add Pettine as a positional coach in some capacity.[/quote]

As far as I know, Pleasant has already left.

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[quote=MTK;1163639]It's ludicrous to think anybody would instantly make this D better with the current roster.[/quote]

Are you sure about that? I'd wager quite a few would make this team instantly better. They wouldn't have to do too much - we had the 28th rank D in yards, and historically bad 3rd down. It could be ludicrous to think someone could make it top 10 - no one is suggesting that. There is certainly a lack of talent on this team, but Barry was reportedly using concepts where players got confused, and was late sending in calls. It's possible that simply getting calls in time and simplyifing the defense could lead to an instant improvement -- to at least average level.

Anyway, lot of draft picks and tons of cap space in free agency, and if O fixes run game and red zone it would help even further. Lot of ways we can improve defense with a JAG (just-a-guy) d-coordinator.

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I'd rather suck being aggressive than sitting back and letting the qbs play pitch and catch. So in that regard it's a good hire. Our floor is a more exciting style of suck.

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[quote=ethat001;1163663]Are you sure about that? I'd wager quite a few would make this team instantly better. They wouldn't have to do too much - we had the 28th rank D in yards, and historically bad 3rd down. It could be ludicrous to think someone could make it top 10 - no one is suggesting that. There is certainly a lack of talent on this team, but Barry was reportedly using concepts where players got confused, and was late sending in calls. It's possible that simply getting calls in time and simplyifing the defense could lead to an instant improvement -- to at least average level.

Anyway, lot of draft picks and tons of cap space in free agency, and if O fixes run game and red zone it would help even further. Lot of ways we can improve defense with a JAG (just-a-guy) d-coordinator.[/quote]

All good points, but looking at the defensive rooster the best coordinator couldn't turn this defense into a top 15 defense in the league...barry scheme was lacking for sure, but it's pretty obvious like Matty says it's only so much you can do.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1163661]As far as I know, Pleasant has already left.[/quote]

Redskins blocked him, I believe still under contract.

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I like the move and have no issues with it. To me it's a win - win all the way around. That does not mean i would not have liked Wade or Pettine, but at the end it's a good move.

I only hope the fan base will get behind the move and give him a chance. I do not want to see post in November bitching about the move.

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Nice old article on GM.

[url]https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/sports/1989/07/26/call-of-wild-comes-early-for-manusky/b5e17a16-6d5c-4995-a554-740f7b2b4e06/?utm_term=.7878afdb1505[/url]

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1163673]Nice old article on GM.

[url]https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/sports/1989/07/26/call-of-wild-comes-early-for-manusky/b5e17a16-6d5c-4995-a554-740f7b2b4e06/?utm_term=.7878afdb1505[/url][/quote]

Nothing like a 27 year old article about your coach when he was a player to clear up any misconceptions.

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[quote=mooby;1163675]Nothing like a 27 year old article about your coach when he was a player to clear up any misconceptions.[/quote]

Nothing like being negative without knowing what your future DC will do. I've seen 4 years of his work and is as good as the other candidates. How about giving him a chance instead of whining about it?

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I'm willing to give it a shot. Let's see what happens. Manusky was a good player for us and played under one of the best DC's ever. Obviously he needs more players.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1163677]Nothing like being negative without knowing what your future DC will do. I've seen 4 years of his work and is as good as the other candidates. How about giving him a chance instead of whining about it?[/quote]

Those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it. Man's been fired from 3 defenses. How does he get fired from SF if his defenses are so great? Is there anybody who has worked on the west coach as a coach or a player that you don't like?

For the second time, we had an opportunity to hire a guy that could elevate a good defense to great. Or an average defense to good. That's the difference a good coach makes. Instead, for the second time, we hire a guy who's been fired for running crappy defenses. What's to get excited about?

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[quote=OmahaRedskins;1163671]I like the move and have no issues with it. To me it's a win - win all the way around. That does not mean i would not have liked Wade or Pettine, but at the end it's a good move.

I only hope the fan base will get behind the move and give him a chance. I do not want to see post in November bitching about the move.[/quote]

Ha!

If McCloughan gives him a talent upgrade as expected, and we come out with a mediocre to poor defense, I'll be calling for Gruden's head after two games.

This move reeks of limited comfort zone.

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[url=http://www.colts.com/team/coaches/Greg-Manusky/6dd78169-300c-4a8f-a414-6e50fdf67126]Indianapolis Colts: Greg Manusky[/url]

From just 2014...this kinda gave me a chubby:
The defense finished 11th in the NFL in yards allowed, an improvement of nine spots from a No. 20 ranking in 2013. The Colts also finished second in the league in third down percentage allowed (33.3%), which was the lowest single-season percentage allowed in team history since 1972. From Weeks 4 through 7, the Colts only allowed one third down conversion in four straight games, marking the longest such streak by an NFL team since 1970.

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[quote=FlyerSkin;1163630]Why we hired a guy that was below average in defensive output at his previous stints as DC is beyond me. I assume this probably means sticking to the 3-4, an LB focused defense. I am more than willing to give the guy a chance, but when you had better candidates, why not go for one of them. Wouldn't you want to go with a proven winner, with a proven scheme?[/quote]

I agree with the proven winner and am underwelmed by his overall defensive rankings.

2014 in Indy wasn't so bad and he is a former Redskins (wishful thinking)

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[quote=mooby;1163675]Nothing like a 27 year old article about your coach when he was a player to clear up any misconceptions.[/quote]

Lolol, I literally laughed out loud at Hooters.

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[url=http://www.espn.com/blog/washington-redskins/post/_/id/29876/redskins-make-logical-hire-greg-manusky-must-prove-its-the-right-one]Greg Manusky must prove Washington Redskins made right hire to run D - Washington Redskins Blog- ESPN[/url]

Agree with Keim here that this move must work or it's likely going to cost Gruden big. Of course McCloughan is a big piece here too, we need some serious upgrades on the defensive side from free agency and the draft this offseason.

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Look, I was actually on board with Barry getting one more year, so I'll give Manusky a chance. But this just had blah written all over it. I want to know the reasons why we didn't get and/or choose Pettine?? He was actually my first choice even over Bradley and he's still out there.