Cousins Saga 4.0. Is he done in DC?
 

Figured it's time for a new thread after the recent news. Here is my question for all of you guys. Is Kirk done in DC? All signs are pointing to that, especially with Bruce's statement. Honestly I don't think he wants to come back and this drama shit is beyond old. Httr

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No, he isn't done here, unless the Redskins go back to their old ways. After hearing him speak today I think it's obvious that he wants to make sure the Redskins front office acts like a professional front office. KC is a smart dude and knows how to play the game. He should be a politician one day, or be a player representative. He knows his stuff.

When the season ends the Redskins shouldn't dick around and wait until May to do something. They need to be talking to his agent a week after the season ends.

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Of course he's done here.Skins didnt pony up this year so what makes anyone believe they will do it next year? They have unquestionably handled this contract situation worse then any team in history so what would change that for the next contract? If Kurt plays great and takes us to the Super Bowl then maybe Skins pony up.
I think Kurt is who I think he is and that is someone that shows signs of greatness but doesnt deliver the goods.I think he will go out and have another good stat year,show some great things but ultimately not get us to the playoffs or at best he'll play badly in the wildcard game:cussing:but he will be just good enough to sign the biggest contract for a QB ever and ultimately bolt to another team,most likely the 49ers.

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If I had to bet I would say 55% chance Kirk plays for 49ers in 18, 30% Washington and 15% other.

The way this QB situation has been managed should get a GM fired. Not being able to sign your long term QB and not having a viable development QB in the que is inexcusable.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1171751]Figured it's time for a new thread after the recent news. Here is my question for all of you guys. Is Kirk done in DC? All signs are pointing to that, especially with Bruce's statement. Honestly I don't think he wants to come back and this drama shit is beyond old. Httr
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We are on the same page. Kirk has to stay here another year, so he needs to play nice. Allen's letter/ statement just was icing on the cake. If he plays lights out, his asking price will be steep and we will need to retain a core of decent players to build around if we want to see the team win another title. Management wasn't totally sold on him and ran their playbook as such. If he has another year like last year, then there might be a glimmer of hope. Face it, he choked, and looked average at best towards the last month. All he needed was one lousy win, and the defense wasn't completely to blame either. Like you said, this crap is beyond old and fans in old DC need to have a revolution of their own!!!

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[quote=htownskinfan;1171754]Of course he's done here.Skins didnt pony up this year so what makes anyone believe they will do it next year? They have unquestionably handled this contract situation worse then any team in history so what would change that for the next contract? If Kurt plays great and takes us to the Super Bowl then maybe Skins pony up.
I think Kurt is who I think he is and that is someone that shows signs of greatness but doesnt deliver the goods.I think he will go out and have another good stat year,show some great things but ultimately not get us to the playoffs or at best he'll play badly in the wildcard game:cussing:but he will be just good enough to sign the biggest contract for a QB ever and ultimately bolt to another team,most likely the 49ers.[/quote]

In short, he basically has plateued as a player and is going for the $$$$$$! It will be interesting to see how he does in the NFC West.

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I've been one of the more optimistic all along... now I really don't know.

From a rational standpoint, I think our best hope is a transition tag, and the Skins matching market price, KC gets what he's worth, and the Skins know they paid market price.

But. KC's smart enough to handle the PR perfectly, so we don't know how he really felt about BA's statement... Does he want out of here, regardless of numbers?

But if he's transition tagged and we match I don't think he'd have a choice, and we know he'd play he's best regardless of how he feels about the front office.

I guess the real question is do the Skins want him here after that BA's statement? ... If they sign him to a higher price next season they really look like fools...

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I wonder if this is Kirk's power play to get the fan base to hate BA and force Snyder to shit can him. One can hope. That statement was the dumbest thing I have seen us do in a long time, and THAT is saying something.


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Interesting that the Steelers basically did the same thing to Bell by releasing details about their offer.

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[quote=MTK;1171763]Interesting that the Steelers basically did the same thing to Bell by releasing details about their offer.[/quote]

Well we are sure Pittsburgh won't shit on by the media like the skins will be. And they left lotta details out.


I'm ready for camp now. I think we can cap another Skins drama filled offseason. At least we had a good draft and decent free agency period...ready put cousins issue behind us. Skins arrive in Richmond in a couple weeks.

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1171764]Well we are sure Pittsburgh won't shit on by the media like the skins will be. And they left lotta details out.


I'm ready for camp now. I think we can cap another Skins drama filled offseason. At least we had a good draft and decent free agency period...ready put cousins issue behind us. Skins arrive in Richmond in a couple weeks.[/QUOTE]
Right.
It's a complicated business, who knows what will happen to KC next season?...

As important as it is, QB is only one of 53 players, and I'm looking forward to see how our defense will play!
As bad as they were last season, they weren't THAT far from being ok: the "worst 3rd down defense ever" was painfull to watch at times, but at least they got their opponents in 3rd and long pretty often...
Down the stretch they gave a pretty decent effort, made some key stops, and IIRC were well ranked in terms of sacks...

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I just hope the skins make a run this yr and get a playoff win or 2. I believe we have the roster to do so. Kirk will play well again, hes a good QB. Great? I cant say that just yet.

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[quote=30gut;1171755]If I had to bet I would say 55% chance Kirk plays for 49ers in 18, 30% Washington and 15% other.

The way this QB situation has been managed should get a GM fired. Not being able to sign your long term QB and not having a viable development QB in the que is inexcusable.[/quote]

I think I completely agree with your % breakdown of likelihood.

I think Cousins is saying all the right things now, as best he can. I think Bruce Allen's May offer was low, but it wasn't laughable, and so if you don't even respond back with your own offer, then it says you have reservations about a long term commitment to the team.

We've heard a lot from "sources close to Cousins" that say he wants to play for San Fran. We've heard he "requested a trade" from Snyder. Cousins has come out and said all the right things after each of those reports. But actions speak much louder than words, and the fact he never responded with an offer shows that where there's smoke there's fire.

That said, it also wouldn't make sense to mentally lock onto San Fran being his best destination in 2018. How does he know if that team will have a foundation built? Does the offensive line there look like something he'd want to play behind in 2018? How does their defense look? And then on the Redskins side, how does his relationship with Jay Gruden as playcaller develop? How does the defense perform this year? And then all the off-field stuff - how does his wife like the area? Does she have interest in moving their then-one year old baby?

He's keeping his options open. All of it points to the %s you lay out being right on the money. There are obviously some things he doesn't like about the Redskins, otherwise he would have countered the May offer to include more guarantees.

If there's a positive in all of it, and there aren't many, it's that the Redskins have this year to show him everything he wants to see. They can demonstrate that Gruden is better for him than Kyle. They can demonstrate that Trent, Scherff and Moses are better to play behind than whatever SF has. And they can demonstrate that their moves on defense will help take a load off of him. The ball is in the Redskins's court to go out and prove that this is the best place for him. Then I could see those %s shifting in favor of the Redskins.

What's done is done. On to camp. It's time to stop thinking about the future and time to focus on the present. Noses to the grindstone, let's make the fucking playoffs.

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Kirks interview post deadline was very revealing..He said it was not even about the MONEY! now if we are to believe he is a stand up guy and tells the truth( which I believe) then He at this point does not want to commit to the Redskins LONG TERM because of other factors..in my opinion these are the factors..Owner and front office, new O coordinator, New WR group, overall negative vibe that surrounds this team.. IF we are to believe Cousins then IF the new WR group is productive and He gels with the New Cordinator then those factors are okay..

There is a huge question about his relationship with Front office which is the REAL reason there is no deal. I am starting to believe that Allen should be gone and that would go a long way to keeping Kirk..the ONLY positive side to this is that Cousins has 1 more year to step up and remove any doubt about his worth to likely become the highest paid Qb in league..And that is where I side with the Skins ..Im not sure he is the LONG TERM answer .YES He is way better than anybody else on our roster but a top 10 QB ..? Do you guys really believe He is a top 10 QB and can lead us to a super bowl? lets say he got signed to the BIG DEAL and due to many factors his play falls off and we miss playoffs then you would hear ..We should have NEVER signed him to that deal.

I'm telling you That those choke moments in the must win games last year plays a huge part in all of this..How many of you watching the Giants game knew when He had that pick it would come back and haunt him. I did for sure. and at that moment I questioned if he was the answer long term. We don't need a 7-9,9-7 type team every season. CAN Cousins be the QB to win 10 plus games every year with changing skill players around him..IF not then He is a mid pack serviceable type QB who does not need to be overpaid..I still say he does not Strike fear in opposing teams Def. We need a game changing QB ..they are few and far between. BUT if we hitch the wagon to Cousins and he does not step up then what? I myself can't take 8-8 seasons and missing playoffs I would just as soon go 4 -12 and get a top Pick and move on to really have chance at a Franchise QB. there are many ways to look at this Glass half full or half empty is where this team is at.

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There is only one point in all of this.....Allen and Snyder fucked up.
Allen needs to go. I am tired of him.

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[quote=rocnrik;1171769]Kirks interview post deadline was very revealing..He said it was not even about the MONEY! now if we are to believe he is a stand up guy and tells the truth( which I believe) then He at this point does not want to commit to the Redskins LONG TERM because of other factors..in my opinion these are the factors..Owner and front office, new O coordinator, New WR group, overall negative vibe that surrounds this team.. IF we are to believe Cousins then IF the new WR group is productive and He gels with the New Cordinator then those factors are okay..

There is a huge question about his relationship with Front office which is the REAL reason there is no deal. I am starting to believe that Allen should be gone and that would go a long way to keeping Kirk..the ONLY positive side to this is that Cousins has 1 more year to step up and remove any doubt about his worth to likely become the highest paid Qb in league..And that is where I side with the Skins ..Im not sure he is the LONG TERM answer .YES He is way better than anybody else on our roster but a top 10 QB ..? Do you guys really believe He is a top 10 QB and can lead us to a super bowl? lets say he got signed to the BIG DEAL and due to many factors his play falls off and we miss playoffs then you would hear ..We should have NEVER signed him to that deal.

I'm telling you That those choke moments in the must win games last year plays a huge part in all of this..How many of you watching the Giants game knew when He had that pick it would come back and haunt him. I did for sure. and at that moment I questioned if he was the answer long term. We don't need a 7-9,9-7 type team every season. CAN Cousins be the QB to win 10 plus games every year with changing skill players around him..IF not then He is a mid pack serviceable type QB who does not need to be overpaid..I still say he does not Strike fear in opposing teams Def. We need a game changing QB ..they are few and far between. BUT if we hitch the wagon to Cousins and he does not step up then what? I myself can't take 8-8 seasons and missing playoffs I would just as soon go 4 -12 and get a top Pick and move on to really have chance at a Franchise QB. there are many ways to look at this Glass half full or half empty is where this team is at.[/quote]

I agree with most of this.

I do think Cousins is good enough to win a Super Bowl. The following QBs have done so: Trent Dilfer, Mark Rypien, Brad Johnson, Joe Flacco, Eli Manning and Jim McMahon. They all have one thing in common, they weren't the greatest QBs of their generation but their defenses were stifling.

I'm under no illusion that Cousins is, or will ever be, on the level of Aaron Rodgers, Tom Brady, and Ben Roethlisberger. But I'd like to see how Cousins looks with a competent defense, rather than having the worst third down defense of all time.

We went 8-7-1 despite having that absolutely dreadful defense.

I think he's good enough, not transcendent but still a piece of a Super Bowl puzzle that will require more pieces on defense to complete.

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I don't think what happened this year or in the past will have much bearing on whether or not he will be back in DC after this season (as far as "Kurt" wanting to be back). I think it all hinges on what happens with the team in general this season, the team's success or failure, playoffs or no playoffs, is the team around him better, etc.

I never figured he would sign a long term deal this year. There was really no good reason for him to do that - especially from a financial perspective. Barring injury, he will either get $28 mil, $34 mil, or a very nice long term deal next year (from someone). That is on top of the $44 mil he has already made with the last two franchise tags.

He has played this game to perfection. He has bet on himself twice and won - big. I think despite all that has transpired with the franchise tags, no long term deal agreed upon, his preference is to stay in DC, but only if he believes the team is still trending upwards after the upcoming season is complete.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1171772]I don't think what happened this year or in the past will have much bearing on whether or not he will be back in DC after this season (as far as "Kurt" wanting to be back). [B]I think it all hinges on what happens with the team in general this season[/B], the team's success or failure, playoffs or no playoffs, is the team around him better, etc.

I never figured he would sign a long term deal this year. There was really no good reason for him to do that - especially from a financial perspective. Barring injury, he will either get $28 mil, $34 mil, or a very nice long term deal next year (from someone). That is on top of the $44 mil he has already made with the last two franchise tags.

He has played this game to perfection. He has bet on himself twice and won - big. I think despite all that has transpired with the franchise tags, no long term deal agreed upon, his preference is to stay in DC, but only if he believes the team is still trending upwards after the upcoming season is complete.[/quote]

Great post. I feel the part in Bold is the key (and I believe the FO acted this way knowing this season is pivotal for the Skins).

IMHO, if the Skins make the playoffs, win at least one playoff game, then they decide to keep Gruden, KC, and other players. They will feel the team is on the way up and will pay to keep it going. On the other hand, miss the playoffs and Gruden (and most likely KC) are out. Same with most of these one year contracts they signed this off-season. I think they switch to complete re-build and start over. They didn't want to let go of a coach with KC having a long term contract.

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I haven't watched Bruce's interview but did he really say Kurt like legitimately???

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1171774]I haven't watched Bruce's interview but did he really say Kurt like legitimately???

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[url=http://nesn.com/2017/07/redskins-president-couldnt-stop-calling-kirk-cousins-by-wrong-name/]Redskins President Couldn’t Stop Calling Kirk Cousins By Wrong Name | NFL | NESN.com[/url]

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To me...its terrible...but the excuse was worse...didn't someone say from Redskins park it was Bruce's accent?

typical shitshow. its really never gonna end with a Snyder lead regime.

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This is only about money, nothing else.
They are maximizing his money by exploiting the franchise tag.
I expect more QB's to try the "Kurt Cousins" move in the future.

50% Chance he is overpaid
49.9% He gets fair market value
0.1% chance he never plays again.
KC is playing the odds. Good for him!

BA should've signed him two years ago. This F'up is going to cost the team at least 10M a year if they do manage to sign KC.

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*Clarification*
I don't think he is the best QB but I think someone will pay him like he is.

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Picture taken today here in Michigan.

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I'd love to know how you guys pull these percentages out (have my guess, but think the decency filters may prohibit).

For the 49ers, they just got Hoyer. They aren't looking for Cousins next year.

For him not playing football next year, many QBs get hurt and any injury will set him back greatly.

99.99% chance the other percentages on this thread are WAAAYYYY off (including mine).

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[QUOTE=mredskins;1171775][url=http://nesn.com/2017/07/redskins-president-couldnt-stop-calling-kirk-cousins-by-wrong-name/]Redskins President Couldn’t Stop Calling Kirk Cousins By Wrong Name | NFL | NESN.com[/url][/QUOTE]


Honestly I think it's tough to tell either way, regardless it's pretty insignificant. Just something for people to pounce on.

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[quote=Chico23231;1171776]To me...its terrible...but the excuse was worse...didn't someone say from Redskins park it was Bruce's accent?

typical shitshow. its really never gonna end with a Snyder lead regime.[/quote]


At least from this outsider's view this goes all the way back to the Skins drafting him and stopping him from maybe(I said maybe) starting for another team.Kirk is happy with his money and I believe he likes Washington and it's fans ,just not it's management as it is now.

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[quote=btfoom;1171780]I'd love to know how you guys pull these percentages out (have my guess, but think the decency filters may prohibit).

For the 49ers, they just got Hoyer. They aren't looking for Cousins next year.

For him not playing football next year, many QBs get hurt and any injury will set him back greatly.

99.99% chance the other percentages on this thread are WAAAYYYY off (including mine).[/quote]

Wait what? Are you saying because they signed Brian Hoyer that takes them out of the running for Kirk next year?

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allen has the worst case of terminal dumbass that any white man in history.if gruden shits the bed this year,allen and gruden need to be gone,let doug williams run the team,hmp hime cant do anyworse than allen has.we have the shanahan disaster and rg3 disaster under allen.now all this bullshit with cousins and the pissing contest with SM.that is more than enough reason to dump his dumbass.

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I really want to be talking something else than KC... BUT:

On yesterday's show, Cooley said he was almost 100% sure that if we go 11-5 and win at least one playoff game, KC signs a great offer from the Redskins without even going through the transition tag scenario.

Kirk said he "needed more time", so if our D performs well and we WIN, (which to me is a real possibility, I don't think they were that far from being efficient, big part of it was bad coaching, and we added talent) Cooley thinks that's all the "time" he'd be needing to stay.

What do you think?

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1171785]I really want to be talking something else than KC... BUT:

On yesterday's show, Cooley said he was almost 100% sure that if we go 11-5 and win at least one playoff game, KC signs a great offer from the Redskins without even going through the transition tag scenario.

Kirk said he "needed more time", so if our D performs well and we WIN, (which to me is a real possibility, I don't think they were that far from being efficient, big part of it was bad coaching, and we added talent) Cooley thinks that's all the "time" he'd be needing to stay.

What do you think?[/quote]

I think that's entirely plausible. Winning can definitely change minds, and I said something similar a few posts ago.

However there's still the nagging thought in the back of my mind, we heard from "sources close to Cousins" that he doesn't want to sign with the Skins and wants to reunite with Kyle.

But next February he'll take stock. He'll contemplate whether DC is a better spot or if others are. If like you say we have a much improved defense, he's still well protected behind our good line, and he believes Gruden suits him as a play caller, he will take that into account. That and the QB needy teams may all be crappy options at that point.

If we show any semblance of Redskins drama then he'll bail.

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Way too early to speculate. I find it hard to believe his master plan was to collect tag money for 2-3 years and then leave. If it was really so terrible here for him he could have forced a trade a long time ago.

The NFL is basically a year to year league anyway. This route he's taking is definitely unconventional but more players could start to follow suit in a push to bring fully guaranteed contracts in the next CBA.

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[quote=MTK;1171787]Way too early to speculate. I find it hard to believe his master plan was to collect tag money for 2-3 years and then leave. If it was really so terrible here for him he could have forced a trade a long time ago.

The NFL is basically a year to year league anyway. This route he's taking is definitely unconventional but more players could start to follow suit in a push to bring fully guaranteed contracts in the next CBA.[/quote]

It may also be good for the Skins, I am curios to see KC in action w/o PG and Djax. I also like to see KC win a big game; one where we clearly say hey we don't win that game if not for KC.

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Feels like people will always want more no matter what he does. Remember when it was the INT issue, or he couldn't beat a winning team? I thought the win over GB was pretty big last year, out dueling Rodgers in prime time. And he's already played plenty of games with DJ out injured.

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[quote=mredskins;1171788]It may also be good for the Skins, I am curios to see KC in action w/o PG and Djax. [B]I also like to see KC win a big game[/B]; one where we clearly say hey we don't win that game if not for KC.[/quote]

Major sigh... He's already played in several big games and played well in them, both winning and losing. Football is a team game and he'd have several more wins had it not been for missed FG's and terrible defense.

Also KC has already played w/out Jackson in several games already.

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[quote=MTK;1171789]Feels like people will always want more no matter what he does. Remember when it was the INT issue, or he couldn't beat a winning team? I thought the win over GB was pretty big last year, out dueling Rodgers in prime time. And he's already played plenty of games with DJ out injured.[/quote]

Yeah, I think if anything our offense is younger and more explosive now plus the line should be even better now. I don't see any reason he wouldn't have the same success as last year overall. I think losing Garcon and Jackson is being overstated. We shouldn't pay 30+ receivers as much as they're getting. If this was practically any other team, this would be considered a shrewd move.

But he's asking for a ton of money and/or guarantees so I think its fair to want to see him improve in situational football, ie red zone, big games, etc. Hopefully the team plays well and we sign him for like 5 years at 25 per, with the first 3 fully guaranteed.

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[quote=MTK;1171789]Feels like people will always want more no matter what he does. Remember when it was the INT issue, or he couldn't beat a winning team? I thought the win over GB was pretty big last year, out dueling Rodgers in prime time. And he's already played plenty of games with DJ out injured.[/quote]

It would be nice if Snyder and Bruce kinda understood this...


My opinion is Kurt is most likely leaving 80%-20%. Not looking good folks.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1171790]Major sigh... He's already played in several big games and played well in them, both winning and losing. Football is a team game and he'd have several more wins had it not been for missed FG's and terrible defense.

Also KC has already played w/out Jackson in several games already.[/quote]

This pisses me off. Football is the epitome of a team sport and mfers trying to put this all on Kirk.

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[quote=mooby;1171794]This pisses me off. Football is the epitome of a team sport and mfers trying to put this all on Kirk.[/quote]

QB, too much credit, too much blame. That'll never change. I'm excited to see our defense. Really hope Fabian M. is ready to go before week 1.