Patrick Ramsey's Future
 

I think one of the more intriguing stories on the Redskins will involve Patrick Ramsey's future. Considering we traded a considerable amount of picks to trade up and draft Jason Campbell, I would say the writing on the wall is fairly clear.

At the same time, Ramsey has at least one year to prove his mettle before they even consider giving Campbell a shot.

My question is, what happens if Ramsey has a decent year and ends up with a QB rating in the neighborhood of 80-85. What if another team were to offer a top-10 first round pick for him. Would you make the trade, knowing that he had one more year left on his contract and that you had Gibbs' guy waiting in the wings?

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I'm only concerned because BRUNELL was Gibbs' guy also.

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Unless Ramsey stinks up the joint, I'd say the job is his to lose for the next 2 years, or unless Campbell is just so impressive he ends up beating Ramsey out next year.

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I just hate to think that we might end up having Ramsey playing out his contract, leaving as a free agent, and not get anything in return for the guy.

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If a top 10 pick is offered at the end of the year. It's gonna be hard for the Skins not to try and take it. He has one final chance though here so lets hope for the best.

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[QUOTE=skin4Life28]If a top 10 pick is offered at the end of the year. It's gonna be hard for the Skins not to try and take it. He has one final chance though here so lets hope for the best.[/QUOTE]

Unless we make the playoffs and Ramsey has an 85+ QB rating, I'd take the top 10 pick in a heartbeat.....and I'm Ramseyfan.

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LOL. Just funny how you put that man.

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[QUOTE=TheMalcolmConnection]LOL. Just funny how you put that man.[/QUOTE]

I'm serious though. I'm Ramseyfan because I love the guy - he's got heart, he's humble, he's a hard worker, he's got a howitzer for an arm, and he'll take one...or two, or three, or four....for the team.

BUT, I'm a Redskins' fan first, a Ramseyfan second. I recognize that our franchise can only afford to give him or two more FULL seasons to show why he's our franchise quarterback. Fortunately, I think he'll be good enough next season to make us hesitate about taking even a top 10 draft pick.

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[QUOTE=Ramseyfan]I'm serious though. I'm Ramseyfan because I love the guy - he's got heart, he's humble, he's a hard worker, he's got a howitzer for an arm, and he'll take one...or two, or three, or four....for the team.

BUT, I'm a Redskins' fan first, a Ramseyfan second. I recognize that our franchise can only afford to give him or two more FULL seasons to show why he's our franchise quarterback. Fortunately, I think he'll be good enough next season to make us hesitate about taking even a top 10 draft pick.[/QUOTE]


I have been a big supporter of Ramsey, I just feel he can be an elite QB in the NFL, my biggest concern is that he doesn't get scapegoated while Gibbs is still trying to catch up.

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First I'd like to say that I think Ramsey is a great player. I think he can be a great QB in this league with a monster arm. He reminds me of Favre a little bit, but not on that plateau yet, by a long shot.

Anyhow, I'm curious if the drafting of Campbell (including ditching our 1st next year) wasn't related in us trying to trade Ramsey after the season to recoup that 1st we gave up for Campbell. It will be curious how it pans out. I think both QB's are very good, but Gibbs just doesn't seem to want to give Ramsey the benefit of the doubt. Hopefully Ramsey gets a full year and plays great, but then we have an expensive first round pick sitting on the bench.

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i like ramsey too, but the potential campbell has is awesome to think about. 6'5" and can sramble plenty; with a very good arm, maybe not as strong as ramsey's but very solid in strength. i watch auburn alot on cbs the sec channel during college football season. i dont know if its regional or whatever but i watched campbell quite a bit and his arm can go downfield. i love the fact he has mobility that ramsey just cant physically do yet has a very good arm and pretty accurate from what i seen in his college days

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i like ramsay also but it looks like campbell is our guy. i have a friend who supported auburn all of last year and was telling me that campbell is a very smart qb who doesn't make mistakes. he is very accurate and who unlike ramsey can make something happen with his feet. it was a very decision for gibbs to put pressure on ramsey instead of letting him get comfortable back there. if ramsey does not get it this year than he will never get it. i have questioned gibbs decision to give brunell so much money when we could have waited and gave him a veteran's minimal. i thought that brunell could still play but hey not our 2nd pick. his arm is shot and it looks very bad for gibbs who thought so highly of brunell. i think that campbell is the real gibbs guy who will possibly be the next doug williams.

Sean taylor is the best!!

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[QUOTE=Ramseyfan]I'm serious though. I'm Ramseyfan because I love the guy - he's got heart, he's humble, he's a hard worker, he's got a howitzer for an arm, and he'll take one...or two, or three, or four....for the team.

BUT, I'm a Redskins' fan first, a Ramseyfan second. I recognize that our franchise can only afford to give him or two more FULL seasons to show why he's our franchise quarterback. Fortunately, I think he'll be good enough next season to make us hesitate about taking even a top 10 draft pick.[/QUOTE]

I definitely agree. I think this season will be his breakout season. I think that he and Taylor Jacobs will be the biggest surprises of the year.

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I think that ramsey will have a good year and then either be traded will a #1 draft pick as compensation or take the #2 spot here in washington. It is a raw deal that ramsey has gotten since coming to the nfl but you cant go back and change that. campbell will have the good fortune to have some very good coaches grooming him for the future. With his current abilities further enhanced by being here, it looks like he will be a excellent qb. He is a very good match for the system here. I really like ramsey and would hate to see him go. But we all do want the best man in there to get the wins. Ideally I would love to have campbell as starting qb with ramsey as #2. Not sure how I feel about brunell staying. I like him very much and feel he brings alot of intangibles to the table. But I dont think we should be paying him so much money for intangibles.

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Gibbs has always been the type that doesn't mind QB controversy, he thinks having two real good QBs is a great problem to have. I don't think he has "a guy", he just wants to have a couple good ones on hand, and he'll end up playing the best one. Simple as that. I don't think he brought in Campbell with the intention of trading Ramsey, and I don't think he views Campbell as Ramsey's automatic successor. He's just going to give them both a shot, evaluate them, and play the best one.

What happens in two years with Ramsey's contract is anyone's guess at this point, the salary cap will surely play a role. But I don't think Gibbs will trade Ramsey if he has one of those Drew Brees breakout years. He'll keep him and play him, despite Campbell warming the bench.

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Not only that, if Ramsey has a Brees-type year, I'll be the first person to stand up for him to get a nice fat contract. He has gone through so much shit since he's been drafted. If we can get a good year out of him, I think he deserves it. Years like Brees had aren't just flukes.

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We are are in a win-win because we really get to see what Patrick has in him this year. Gibbs has made it PAINFULLY clear he has no trust in Ramsey. Giving him the reins to the offense this year doesn't mean anything. Gibbs is not a Ramsey guy. If Pat shows up awesome, if he doesn't we got Campbell to look forward too, even though, it is WAAAAAAAAAY to early to get excited about Campbell.

Ramsey will have 21 TD's and 12 picks this year, we go 9-7 and get a wildcard, and then, we will have a mother of a QB controversy in July of 06!!!

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[QUOTE=gortiz]even though, it is WAAAAAAAAAY to early to get excited about Campbell.[/QUOTE]

This is a key point. As fans, we have a tendency to get caught up in excitement and hype that we hear on our players. We hear from Pro Football Weekly's whispers that scouts are raving about Jason Campbell in Redskins practices, saying he can really throw the ball. I think that's nice to get excited about, but there was never any doubt that Campbell can deliver the ball, we knew that from the moment we drafted him. The big question is can the guy master the mental intricacies of the NFL and run Gibbs' offense. The knocks on Campbell were for his intelligence, and it's important to keep that in mind. Hopefully he develops himself in that aspect and proves that he can do it. But I like to keep myself grounded; Patrick Ramsey is still the unquestioned QB of this team until Campbell proves otherwise, and nobody knows if he will.

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Although I thought the Campbell pick was, at least at the time, inscrutable, I think I've come to understand that surely part of what's going on involves Joe attempting to light a fire under Ramsey, as I think Jansen phrased it during the draft. I'm sure they looked carefully at the San Diego situtation in which Brees found himself in a much less secure position - basically a four game final evaluation - and responded like a champion. Now no one can no for sure what role Rivers played in Brees's metamorphoses from second round bust to franchise starter, but we do know this; great qb's respond to pressure by playing great.

Look, Ramsey's gotta step up already, no more development. He's been in the league long enough that it's now time to perform; the expectations are the same for Joey Harrington and David Carr this year. If he really is the great player we all seem to think he is, he'll respond to Campbell's presence by winning. If he doesn't, then he probably didn't have what it takes anyway. If he does get it together this year like I believe he can, and this is in answer to the question, I think he'll stay in Washington for a long time. Campbell will be a bonus, much like Rivers. If Ramsey continues to move sideways he's gone in two years and its on to the next guy.

Either way, the Campbell pick is starting to look better to me because it accelerates the Ramsey evaluation process.

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It's amazing to me how many people don't realize that in Ramsey's last seven starts (take away that Giants game) he had a passer rating of roughly 85 and a completion of right around 65%. Patrick came very close to leading us in a victory against the NFC champs/chumps Eagles. I personally do not doubt his ability at all. As far as Campbell goes, I think that our staff just felt like he was too good to pass up and not necessarily PR's replacement. Following the draft I heard a lot of experts say that Campbell was actually rated higher than Aaron Rogers on atleast 10 teams boards. We can all question why we gave up so many picks for the 25 spot, but if anyone listened to Gibbs after the draft he gave some explanations and some insight as to why we gave up so much. Ramsey is the man like it or not.

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Good point djnemo65.

I'm still bitter about how much material we traded to move up to get Campbell, but this helps me feel a little bit better.

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[QUOTE=dirtbag2112]It's amazing to me how many people don't realize that in Ramsey's last seven starts (take away that Giants game) he had a passer rating of roughly 85 and a completion of right around 65%. Patrick came very close to leading us in a victory against the NFC champs/chumps Eagles. I personally do not doubt his ability at all. As far as Campbell goes, I think that our staff just felt like he was too good to pass up and not necessarily PR's replacement. Following the draft I heard a lot of experts say that Campbell was actually rated higher than Aaron Rogers on atleast 10 teams boards. We can all question why we gave up so many picks for the 25 spot, but if anyone listened to Gibbs after the draft he gave some explanations and some insight as to why we gave up so much. Ramsey is the man like it or not.[/QUOTE]

I like Ramsey too, but just to be a fly in the ointment, not too many of those passes were over ten yards. It's easy to complete screens.

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[QUOTE=TheMalcolmConnection]I like Ramsey too, but just to be a fly in the ointment, not too many of those passes were over ten yards. It's easy to complete screens.[/QUOTE]

True, but look at McNabb who until last year didn't have a single season completion percentage above 59%, and that's playing in a west coast system full of short passes and screens.

We shouldn't fault Ramsey for being accurate with the short stuff. It's easier said than done.

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True. But he IS an NFL QB and that's his job. Like I said, I'm just being devil's advocate. I KNOW he can get it done and I fully expect him to this year. I'm sure his passing yardage will jump up because of better blocking for the screen passes.

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[QUOTE=dirtbag2112] Patrick came very close to leading us in a victory against the NFC champs/chumps Eagles[/QUOTE]

Um, yeah, until he threw up a jumpball to brian dawkins and i believe sheldon brown when we were down by 3 in fg range. also, i think the defense had something to do with us being in that game, holding the prolific birds to only 17. There's no doubt that Ramsey can peform for periods of time, but then he goes and makes a play like that which costs us the game. Remember, the difference between Manning and Mcown is very slight - alot of it is plays like that.

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Right. That's the ONLY thing I'm worried about with Ramsey. He'll play consistently all game and he'll make one or two KEY bad plays.

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[QUOTE=Drift Reality]I think one of the more intriguing stories on the Redskins will involve Patrick Ramsey's future. Considering we traded a considerable amount of picks to trade up and draft Jason Campbell, I would say the writing on the wall is fairly clear.

At the same time, Ramsey has at least one year to prove his mettle before they even consider giving Campbell a shot.

My question is, what happens if Ramsey has a decent year and ends up with a QB rating in the neighborhood of 80-85. What if another team were to offer a top-10 first round pick for him. Would you make the trade, knowing that he had one more year left on his contract and that you had Gibbs' guy waiting in the wings?[/QUOTE]

NFL Pro Scouts know what they have with Ramsey & they are now seeing how much more they are getting with Campbell. Even if Ramsey has a breakout season, it's not going to change where the skins are moving towards in the future.

Campbell has tons more upside then Ramsey ever had, plus Campbell throws a better ball with more touch then Ramsey ever had.

Ramsey is playing this season for the NFL Scouts to rate his tradability.

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Ramsey's problems is not his arm, decision making, quickness, its his hair. How can you be a top NFL QB with a hair cut like that. He must go to Hair-R-US for the 6 dollar special.

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All he has to do is grow long hair like Brady and he's golden.

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[QUOTE=gortiz] Gibbs has made it PAINFULLY clear he has no trust in Ramsey. [/QUOTE]

I dunno about that. I mean, for a coach not to trust his Quarterback, he sure was quick about giving Ramsey the starting job for this season - even before last season was over with. I say Gibbs does trust Ramsey - I think Gibbs' trust in Brunell is probably in question considering the acquition of Jason Campbell.

Then again, MB might prove us all wrong and go back to his old ways. Wow...a three way QB conflict! Wow... :headbange

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Yeah Ramsey made a poor decision in the final minutes of that Eagles game...but you know what? He was trying to win. I've seen guys like Peyton Manning and Brett Favre make even worse decisions in even bigger games.

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Very true. But I also see Manning and Favre make a lot of game WINNING plays. I think that's really the only thing Ramsey is lacking.

But to be perfectly fair to him, his supporting cast has been somewhat lacking until recently.

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That's true! When you don't have pro bowl type of players on the receiving end, then it makes it harder for a QB to take chances - winds up making the QB look that much worse! A QB like Farve or Manning can take stupid chances because they are confident enough to know that they will get another shot and eventually their taking chances pays off.

Alot of Ramsey's poor decisions come from lack of experience. He'll continue to make some mistakes this year, but I believe the mistakes will decrease as the year continues.....at least assuming Ramsey doesn't get hurt or becomes ineffective. If so, look out..here comes Brunell! That is what it's important for us to have a mammoth running game so we don't have to pass the ball...LOL!!!

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I don't know. Ramsey has plenty of experience for a starting QB.

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[QUOTE=TheMalcolmConnection]I don't know. Ramsey has plenty of experience for a starting QB.[/QUOTE]

For one of the few times, I actually disagree. When you look at all of his actual starts, it comes up to somthing like 23 games, which is only a season and a half. When you look at the fact that he was in different systems as well, it really takes away from his experiance. I think this year is his make or break year, I think he has had enough experiance to make it his make or break year, but I dont think he has had enough experiance to blame past mistakes on having experiance already. If that makes sense. Its tough to explain what I mean.

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No, it definitely makes sense. I didn't go into detail about what I meant, but pretty much I agree. I don't blame him for making mistakes, but I DO think he has enough gametime experience for this to be his year to prove he can do it.

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It seems pretty clear that Ramsey has the job for 2 years at which point they will need to make a decision. If Rasmey plays great they will probably resign him, but if he is just so so they will either let him leave for nothing or put a tag on him and trade him. The only way Gibbs will hand this thing over the Campbell before the 2 years is up is if Ramsey is a trainwreck and then that would not be a bad thing anyway.

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Did any of you guys catch the NFL network playbook in wich they broke down draft picks from 2002? Anyways when they got to QB's they gave Ramsey a lot of credit. Even though Carr and Harrington were drafted higher they like Patrick. Despite being in two night and day systems, he has a better winning percentage than both of those guys. I'm just rambling guys...I'm a huge Ramsey fan.

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[quote]Gibbs has always been the type that doesn't mind QB controversy, he thinks having two real good QBs is a great problem to have. I don't think he has "a guy", he just wants to have a couple good ones on hand, and he'll end up playing the best one. Simple as that. I don't think he brought in Campbell with the intention of trading Ramsey, and I don't think he views Campbell as Ramsey's automatic successor. He's just going to give them both a shot, evaluate them, and play the best one.[/quote]
Gibbs may like that, but our salary cap doesn't. I seriously doubt Ramsey would resign a contract, especially a cheap one, to stay as the #2 here in DC.

[quote]Look, Ramsey's gotta step up already, no more development. He's been in the league long enough that it's now time to perform; the expectations are the same for Joey Harrington and David Carr this year.[/quote]
The difference is Harrington and Carr don't get yanked out of the lineup consistantly. Ramsey needs AT LEAST a full year to play and get in his rhythm.

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Ramsey has a decent amount of experience, but it's come in two very different systems and he's been yanked in and out of the lineup.

This will be a no excuses year for him. The job is his to lose. This is the year we find out if Ramsey is the QB we can continue to build the team around, or will Gibbs be looking to hand the reins over to Campbell next year.