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So far,

Stock UP:

1. Phil Taylor. Like his old self. Hustling and dominating.
2. Chris Thompson. Wow! He looks fantastic. It was worth waiting for him.
3. Fabian Moreau. Huge plays on ST. Talent at CB is obvious.
4. Zach Brown. He's the real deal. Truly a tackling machine.
5. Deshazor Everett. Big time hustle and solid tackling.

Stock DOWN:

1. Stacy McGee. Lack of hustle is evident.
2. Terrell McClain. Invisible so far.
3. Will Blackmon. Having a horrible preseason.
4. Preston Smith. Can't set the edge. Can't rush the passer. Can't play.
5. Ryan Grant. Jay, please get over your man crush. We need to keep Robert Davis or Brian Quick.

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[QUOTE=KI Skins Fan;1172557]So far,

Stock UP:

1. Phil Taylor. Like his old self. Hustling and dominating.
2. Chris Thompson. Wow! He looks fantastic. It was worth waiting for him.
3. Fabian Moreau. Huge plays on ST. Talent at CB is obvious.
4. Zach Brown. He's the real deal. Truly a tackling machine.
5. Deshazor Everett. Big time hustle and solid tackling.

Stock DOWN:

1. Stacy McGee. Lack of hustle is evident.
2. Terrell McClain. Invisible so far.
3. Will Blackmon. Having a horrible preseason.
4. Preston Smith. Can't set the edge. Can't rush the passer. Can't play.
5. Ryan Grant. Jay, please get over your man crush. We need to keep Robert Davis or Brian Quick.[/QUOTE]Chris Thompson is a monster. One of the best all around backs in football and has been for a couple years, he can do it all, run, catch, block.

Defense was decent again, I'd like to see a better pass rush but it's only PS.

Kirk got into rhythm and finally got hot. Yes I know it was against backups but still.

I wanna see more out of Pryor, all this hype in practice but haven't seen anything so far in 2 practice games.

Secondary is better no doubt.

OL looks weak in run blocking again, not a good sign.

Hundley is a good QB and possibly someone we can look at if we don't keep Kirk IMO.

Aaron Rodgers is going to have yet another monster yr, that dude is ridiculous.

I could care less about wins in PS. Effort and execution is what u need to look at.

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I was glad to see the first team out until they scored - that makes Gruden's stock up with me.

Agreed on Taylor. IF he stays healthy could be huge

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Stock down on punts in the preseason. Unless a team declares a kicking competion, punts ought to be illegal between the 30s.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1172561][B]I was glad to see the first team out until they scored - that makes Gruden's stock up with me. [/B]

Agreed on Taylor. IF he stays healthy could be huge

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Agreed. That was a risk (injuries), great to see him willing to take it.

Jay looked cold and determined yesterday, I really hope he wakes his players up and they show a solid performance next week. Last opportunity for the 1st stringers before the opener.


Side note: Roullier is quietly having a solid preseason. Good to have depth at center.

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1172566]Agreed. That was a risk (injuries), great to see him willing to take it.

Jay looked cold and determined yesterday, I really hope he wakes his players up and they show a solid performance next week. Last opportunity for the 1st stringers before the opener.


[B]Side note: Roullier is quietly having a solid preseason. Good to have depth at center.[/B][/quote]

I think Roullier can play. He has room to get much stronger, too. Nice late find in the draft.

We all know you only like him because of his French surname. ;)

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1172569]I think Roullier can play. He has room to get much stronger, too. Nice late find in the draft.

We all know you only like him because of his French surname. ;)[/quote]

Haha I gotta admit I love hearing announcers pronounce French last names...

Sounds really funny.

"PiIIihair Gueurrsson" is my favorite, I'm gonna miss hearing his name every week.

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I would say stock down on pre.season. I watched the game on You Tube today. I'd say overall this team right now looks bored. They're either bored or just waiting for the regular season. The o-line looks like they don't want to get hurt. Moses got pushed back by a backup lb that he outweighs by 100 pounds. Just lackadaisical football. #31 looked like he wanted to be out there. Let's just get the regular season started cause these guys don't care about pre season..

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You guys have to remember that when the Lions went 0-16 they went 4-0 in pre season. It means nothing.
A lot of guys out there are just trying to not get hurt, no game planning. Guys going through the motions.

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Niles Paul, vastly underrated and should be re-signed next year.

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Starting offense's stock is down but my only concerns with preseason are getting out without any major injuries. I'd rather they suck now and have the coaches on their ass before the season starts, I've seen enough years where we looked good in preseason only to stink it up when the regular season starts. With our players and coaches I'm confident Gruden will whip them into shape early on in the season.

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The whole damn team is down!! we will be lucky to win 6 games with this lackluster Starting O unit...Kirk Aint nowhere ...nowwhere near Aaron Rogers talent and yet he thinks he should get all the cash...He looked at best average against Packers 2cnd string D! Not that I am saying Colt is the answer but you want big boys pay..play like it. Aaron Rogers could get the Redskins deep into playoffs ..Cousins???? I don't think he wins 6 games..

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[QUOTE=rocnrik;1172593]The whole damn team is down!! we will be lucky to win 6 games with this lackluster Starting O unit...Kirk Aint nowhere ...nowwhere near Aaron Rogers talent and yet he thinks he should get all the cash...He looked at best average against Packers 2cnd string D! Not that I am saying Colt is the answer but you want big boys pay..play like it. Aaron Rogers could get the Redskins deep into playoffs ..Cousins???? I don't think he wins 6 games..[/QUOTE]



Dude. Chill. You're comparing Cousins to one of the better QBs ever. Who has also played nearly a decade longer and has Jones his craft with a stable team, good coaches, strong supporting cast, etc. Cousins has been very good the last two seasons. And he will be this year too.


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Gotta love a good preseason freak out

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[quote=skinsfan69;1172584]I would say stock down on pre.season. I watched the game on You Tube today. I'd say overall this team right now looks bored. They're either bored or just waiting for the regular season. The o-line looks like they don't want to get hurt. Moses got pushed back by a backup lb that he outweighs by 100 pounds. Just lackadaisical football. #31 looked like he wanted to be out there. Let's just get the regular season started cause these guys don't care about pre season..[/quote]

Pryor said after the game that " we aren't even game planning" meaning they dont really give a crap about these games. I'm not too concerned

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The only thing I'm really worried about is the fundamental way our starting offensive line is getting pushed back. Them not picking up blitzes, etc., I can get over that because they didn't game plan for those. I'm slightly concerned with ZERO push being generated by anyone (including Scherff :().

For stock up, the starting defense really does look to be vastly improved over last year.

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;1172599][B]The only thing I'm really worried about is the fundamental way our starting offensive line is getting pushed back. [/B]Them not picking up blitzes, etc., I can get over that because they didn't game plan for those. I'm slightly concerned with ZERO push being generated by anyone (including Scherff :().

For stock up, the starting defense really does look to be vastly improved over last year.[/quote]

This! People were saying this Oline was on the way to being one of the best in the NFL....not so fast. They have been handled in both games thus far. I'll give them the Baltimore game...first preseason game, on the road, who cares...but Saturday night they didn't look any different at all. If they look the same in the 3rd game, then you have to start thinking that there's a problem. These guys supposedly love to run block, and they're getting pushed straight back. If it's truly just lack of interest, like some are suggesting, then I think that's a problem too.

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[QUOTE=calia;1172595]Dude. Chill. You're comparing Cousins to one of the better QBs ever. Who has also played nearly a decade longer and has honed his craft with a stable team, good coaches, strong supporting cast, etc. Cousins has been very good the last two seasons. And he will be this year too.


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[U]Stock Up:[/U]

- Phil Taylor

[U]Stock Down:[/U]

- Lauvau ... same thing for 3 years now.

- Callahan ... I know he is supposed to be a coveted specialist, he has the O line group as first one on the field, last one off but our run game has disappeared since he got here. Him not wanting to use a FB and Gruden cottowing that has really costs us imo. We had one of the better FBs in the game in DY.

He has the talent, we have committed a lot of $$ and top draft picks to the unit and there is very little turn over in personnel.

I dont understand it. Guys getting pushed back, missed assignments etc have been killing the run game for years now.

Address it. Its year 3.

- Cousins ... this isnt a stock down thing for me and I believe in Cousins but last year when playing on the tag he was too quick to get rid of the ball and he adjusted half way through the season to take some risks, extend plays etc. In the brief time we have seen him this PS, it seems like he is quick to get rid of the ball/take a hit.

Its PS, its fine, Id rather he get rid of the ball early in PS ... but come week 1 against the Eagles, he needs to hang in there and make plays down the field under duress, not just when everything is going 100% perfect on that particular play.

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[quote=over the mountain;1172602][U]Stock Up:[/U]

- Phil Taylor

[U]Stock Down:[/U]

[B]- Lauvau ... same thing for 3 years now. [/B]

- Callahan ... I know he is supposed to be a coveted specialist, he has the O line group as first one on the field, last one off but our run game has disappeared since he got here. Him not wanting to use a FB and Gruden cottowing that has really costs us imo. We had one of the better FBs in the game in DY.

He has the talent, we have committed a lot of $$ and top draft picks to the unit and there is very little turn over in personnel.

I dont understand it. Guys getting pushed back, missed assignments etc have been killing the run game for years now.

Address it. Its year 3.

- Cousins ... this isnt a stock down thing for me and I believe in Cousins but last year when playing on the tag he was too quick to get rid of the ball and he adjusted half way through the season to take some risks, extend plays etc. In the brief time we have seen him this PS, it seems like he is quick to get rid of the ball/take a hit.

Its PS, its fine, Id rather he get rid of the ball early in PS ... but come week 1 against the Eagles, he needs to hang in there and make plays down the field under duress, not just when everything is going 100% perfect on that particular play.[/quote]

I'm noticing him to be a HUGE liability. I see him get blown off the ball constantly. Hoping someone can overtake him soon.

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;1172603]I'm noticing him to be a HUGE liability. I see him get blown off the ball constantly. Hoping someone can overtake him soon.[/quote]

I noticed Spencer long not getting any push either. Luavo needs to go.

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Stock up: big beach titties out breathing

Stock down: big chicks in bikinis

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[quote=over the mountain;1172602]

- Callahan ... I know he is supposed to be a coveted specialist, he has the O line group as first one on the field, last one off but our run game has disappeared since he got here. Him not wanting to use a FB and Gruden cottowing that has really costs us imo. We had one of the better FBs in the game in DY.[/quote]

Yes, it's time to fix this problem. They can say they want to run the ball better (and that leads to running it more) but talk is cheap. If they really want to run the ball well, they need to use a fullback and they need to FINALLY GET A DAMN RUN-BLOCKING TIGHT END - NOW! Don't wait for Sprinkle to develop; pick up a TE who can block like hell, even if he can't catch a cold. Right now, we have four under-sized pass-catching TE's and one rookie. Two of those pass-catchers need to go in favor of a big, people-moving TE.

We should be able to compete for our division title this season, so they shouldn't be screwing around with a weak running game. They should get a REAL blocking TE and a BEASTLY FB right away.

BTW, Jay Gruden should tell Callahan that he doesn't give a rat's rear end about Callahan's run game philosophy and to just fix the run game NOW, whatever it takes.

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;1172603]I'm noticing him to be a HUGE liability. I see him get blown off the ball constantly. Hoping someone can overtake him soon.[/quote]

Last year he was our less capable offensive lineman. I was hoping Kouandjio would step it up and take his spot.

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[quote=Chico23231;1172604]I noticed Spencer long not getting any push either. Luavo needs to go.[/quote]

I'll accept no push for now, but I rewatched Lauvao getting absolutely demolished multiple plays. We could definitely stand to upgrade both of those. Center I'm "OK" with right now.

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Lauvau is terrible. I was really disappointed we did not cut Lavau and either picked up a FA guard or draft a guard in the 2nd or third round.
Long is not playing much better recently.
I will add, I have not seen any of our TE's or Backs that are run blocking worth a damn either.
We are so built for the pass that we have over looked the run.
This has to change or else we are in for along season. Teams will easily defend us if we have no balance.
This is not a running back issue or lack of a good one.
This is strictly a blocking issue.

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[quote=calia;1172595]Dude. Chill. You're comparing Cousins to one of the better QBs ever. Who has also played nearly a decade longer and has Jones his craft with a stable team, good coaches, strong supporting cast, etc. Cousins has been very good the last two seasons. And he will be this year too.


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I see your point but Cousins wants to be paid like One of the top QB's and actually looks shaky. We will see how this plays out.

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I even saw Scherff get too high on some of those short yardage runs.Let the defender get under his pads way too easily. Long too. I see that as entirely correctable by week 1 and I'm sure they will. Take it easy.

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i think the better step it up next game,cause i doubt they play the last pre season game.i still think they have just ran basic,vanilla plays though.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1172606]Yes, it's time to fix this problem. They can say they want to run the ball better (and that leads to running it more) but talk is cheap. If they really want to run the ball well, they need to use a fullback and they need to FINALLY GET A DAMN RUN-BLOCKING TIGHT END - NOW! Don't wait for Sprinkle to develop; pick up a TE who can block like hell, even if he can't catch a cold. Right now, we have four under-sized pass-catching TE's and one rookie. Two of those pass-catchers need to go in favor of a big, people-moving TE.

We should be able to compete for our division title this season, so they shouldn't be screwing around with a weak running game. They should get a REAL blocking TE and a BEASTLY FB right away.

BTW, Jay Gruden should tell Callahan that he doesn't give a rat's rear end about Callahan's run game philosophy and to just fix the run game NOW, whatever it takes.[/quote]

It's a couple weeks before the season starts. This needed to be addressed in the off season. You can't go out and bring in all new TE'S and a fullback at this time of the year. They're going to have to go with who they've got.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1172606]Yes, it's time to fix this problem. They can say they want to run the ball better (and that leads to running it more) but talk is cheap. If they really want to run the ball well, they need to use a fullback and they need to FINALLY GET A DAMN RUN-BLOCKING TIGHT END - NOW! Don't wait for Sprinkle to develop; pick up a TE who can block like hell, even if he can't catch a cold. Right now, we have four under-sized pass-catching TE's and one rookie. Two of those pass-catchers need to go in favor of a big, people-moving TE.

We should be able to compete for our division title this season, so they shouldn't be screwing around with a weak running game. They should get a REAL blocking TE and a BEASTLY FB right away.

BTW, Jay Gruden should tell Callahan that he doesn't give a rat's rear end about Callahan's run game philosophy and to just fix the run game NOW, whatever it takes.[/quote]

I was wondering today if the run game disappeared when we cut the FB off our roster.

Is it really that our o-line is blocking worse or is it that we don't have that extra lead blocker?

Either way, something is definitely off and has been since last year. Same line, same coaches, same RBs's...hard to see how it will get better.

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If you want to chill: watch the Giants not being able to do anything against the Browns on any side of the ball.
Preseason really doesn't mean much.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1172615]It's a couple weeks before the season starts. This needed to be addressed in the off season. You can't go out and bring in all new TE'S and a fullback at this time of the year. They're going to have to go with who they've got.[/quote]

Your comments sound just like the conventional fan wisdom we fans adopt year after year when our team fails to address the same obvious weakness. We just give up and tell ourselves to wait for next season. Well, I'm tired of that. It's time for this group of executives and coaches to get serious about winning. To me, that means, in part, never conceding that a weak area can't be improved right now and then letting it slide.

There are many instances where a team has found role players who can help them in specific ways among late cuts or even street FA's. Are you saying we can't find a FB who can run block effectively on short yardage plays? Well, I simply can't believe that.

If, for some reason, they can't pick up somebody, why not hold tryouts among players who are currently on the roster to fill certain roles? Somebody may see a better chance to make the 53 man roster by adding value as an extra blocker at FB or TE.

If the coaches and player personnel people haven't figured it out yet, they need to work harder and smarter to fix the problem - now. They must refuse to accept poor results. We have a legitimate chance to win our division, for goodness sakes!

Look, there comes a time in every business when higher management needs to tell a subordinate manager "No excuses, just fix it! Figure it out. That's what I pay you for and I expect results." Heaven knows, I heard that a few times in my business career. Bruce needs to tell Doug and Jay "Just fix it!".

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1172622]Your comments sound just like the conventional fan wisdom we fans adopt year after year when our team fails to address the same obvious weakness. We just give up and tell ourselves to wait for next season. Well, I'm tired of that. It's time for this group of executives and coaches to get serious about winning. To me, that means, in part, never conceding that a weak area can't be improved right now and then letting it slide.

There are many instances where a team has found role players who can help them in specific ways among late cuts or even street FA's. Are you saying we can't find a FB who can run block effectively on short yardage plays? Well, I simply can't believe that.

If, for some reason, they can't pick up somebody, why not hold tryouts among players who are currently on the roster to fill certain roles? Somebody may see a better chance to make the 53 man roster by adding value as an extra blocker at FB or TE.

If the coaches and player personnel people haven't figured it out yet, they need to work harder and smarter to fix the problem - now. They must refuse to accept poor results. We have a legitimate chance to win our division, for goodness sakes!

Look, there comes a time in every business when higher management needs to tell a subordinate manager "No excuses, just fix it! Figure it out. That's what I pay you for and I expect results." Heaven knows, I heard that a few times in my business career. Bruce needs to tell Doug and Jay "Just fix it!".[/quote]

The best way to fix it isn't through personnel moves. The best way to fix it is through coaches coaching better and players playing better.

Our line and tight ends can run block a lot better than they did the other night. They need to get it together.

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[url=http://was.247sports.com/Bolt/Report-Spencer-Long-undergoes-minor-knee-operation-106386212]Report: Spencer Long undergoes minor knee operation[/url]

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1172626][url=http://was.247sports.com/Bolt/Report-Spencer-Long-undergoes-minor-knee-operation-106386212]Report: Spencer Long undergoes minor knee operation[/url][/quote]

Moving the rookie into long spot. Good

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Riggins sd perhaps its bc our O line guys seem to be in a 2 pt and not 3 pt hands in dirt stance that is costing us in run blocking and having guys be to high.

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^^ Sam Perine highlights, almost always 3 pt stance.

I couldnt find highlight video of the Skins 1st team offense. id be curious to see if the first unit O line is in 3 pt for run plays.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1172622]Your comments sound just like the conventional fan wisdom we fans adopt year after year when our team fails to address the same obvious weakness. We just give up and tell ourselves to wait for next season. Well, I'm tired of that. It's time for this group of executives and coaches to get serious about winning. To me, that means, in part, never conceding that a weak area can't be improved right now and then letting it slide.

There are many instances where a team has found role players who can help them in specific ways among late cuts or even street FA's. Are you saying we can't find a FB who can run block effectively on short yardage plays? Well, I simply can't believe that.

If, for some reason, they can't pick up somebody, why not hold tryouts among players who are currently on the roster to fill certain roles? Somebody may see a better chance to make the 53 man roster by adding value as an extra blocker at FB or TE.

If the coaches and player personnel people haven't figured it out yet, they need to work harder and smarter to fix the problem - now. They must refuse to accept poor results. We have a legitimate chance to win our division, for goodness sakes!

Look, there comes a time in every business when higher management needs to tell a subordinate manager "No excuses, just fix it! Figure it out. That's what I pay you for and I expect results." Heaven knows, I heard that a few times in my business career. Bruce needs to tell Doug and Jay "Just fix it!".[/quote]

The sky isn't falling because the offense can't run the ball in pre season. But again, this team probably isn't going to be a good running team. It's just not what they do best. This is and will be a throw first team. I just hope they'll be able to run it a little better than what we've seen so far.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1172629]The sky isn't falling because the offense can't run the ball in pre season. But again, this team probably isn't going to be a good running team. It's just not what they do best. This is and will be a throw first team. I just hope they'll be able to run it a little better than what we've seen so far.[/quote]

What I dread is predictable play calling from gruden. If we arent running the ball well, i think he wont run the ball on 1st down plays.

1st play is an incomplete short to mid range pass.
2nd play is a run for little to no gain.
3rd and long .. predictable pass play of draw to CT

I think we need to figure out how to pick up 3-5 yards on 1st down play calls. We have to keep D coord guessing whether it will be pass or run on 1st down calls.

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[quote=over the mountain;1172628]Riggins sd perhaps its bc our O line guys seem to be in a 2 pt and not 3 pt hands in dirt stance that is costing us in run blocking and having guys be to high.

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^^ Sam Perine highlights, almost always 3 pt stance.

I couldnt find highlight video of the Skins 1st team offense. id be curious to see if the first unit O line is in 3 pt for run plays.[/quote]

Just curious, if we used three point stance for most runs and 2 point for most passes, wouldn't that be a major tell for opposing defenses.