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MTK 09-13-2017 08:19 AM

Skins v Rams pregame & predictions
 
Time to move forward, predict all the doom and gloom you want here

mredskins 09-13-2017 08:28 AM

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I feel like this maybe a close one but since it's on the road, I am going say 24-21 Rams. We really really need this win. I believe we lose this one we are staring at 0-4 to start the season.

dmek25 09-13-2017 08:30 AM

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skins 24 rams 10. some of the ship gets righted here

CRedskinsRule 09-13-2017 08:56 AM

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The biggest problem here is McVay knows all of our defensive weaknesses, and Phillips is a better DC than Gruden is at playcalling. That said, I think the Skins shake off the Philly loss, and our line harrasses Goff all day. Ultimately, it will come down to the players though, and ours step up to the challenge.
Skins 35
Rams 23

htownskinfan 09-13-2017 09:04 AM

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Rams 42-13

skinsfaninok 09-13-2017 09:09 AM

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Skins bounce back and get a good road win.

30- 20

Chico23231 09-13-2017 09:10 AM

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bounce back

skinsfan69 09-13-2017 09:13 AM

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Not buying all this McVay knows our offense and what not. Is he actually going to cover our wr's or make a tackle? I'm more worried about Phillips having zero respect for our 0-line. I expect plenty of pressure from them. I just hope we do the same and get after Goff and force him into some mistakes. Should be another close game and will probably come down to turnovers.

MTK 09-13-2017 09:29 AM

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;1173979]Not buying all this McVay knows our offense and what not. Is he actually going to cover our wr's or make a tackle? I'm more worried about Phillips having zero respect for our 0-line. I expect plenty of pressure from them. I just hope we do the same and get after Goff and force him into some mistakes. Should be another close game and will probably come down to turnovers.[/QUOTE]



I tend to agree, we know him and he knows us, any clear advantage is likely to be a wash.

rocnrik 09-13-2017 09:32 AM

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Rams 27 Skins 19 Cousins has 1 pick and 2 fumbles ..has no time to throw..bad Oline play another long day..

jamf 09-13-2017 09:46 AM

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31 - 21 Redskins if Aaron Donald doesn't play or is rusty.

If Aaron Donald is ready to go, he is going to kill us up front.

irish 09-13-2017 10:10 AM

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I cant believe I'm saying that a week 2 game is a must win but it is. If the Skins lose this game then 0-4 or 1-3 is a distinct possibility and if that happens I think the team unravels and the season gets really ugly. If this team has any stones at all they find a way to win.

Skins 20
Rams 17

TheMalcolmConnection 09-13-2017 10:22 AM

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I'm not buying we are as bad as we showed that first game. We lost because of turnovers, plain and simple. Cousins is the second reason (who contributed a couple himself) but he is a notoriously slow starter. No excuses for that, but we know what he is.

Colts are hot garbage. Do I think the Rams will be better offensively? Sure I do, but not significantly. They also have garbage WRs. Austin is the only one that even semi-scares me and if Swearinger puts one big hit on him, his vagina might explode.

Offensively, all I can ask for is for us to take. care. of. the. ball. We do that, we win and I think win big. If we start putting the ball on the ground constantly, we could lose in Eagles fashion. The Eagles offense and offensive line is superior to the Rams. I think defensively we should be able to shut them down.

No turnovers, Skins 27-10.
1-2 turnovers, Skins 20-17.
2+ turnovers, Rams 20-17.

over the mountain 09-13-2017 10:40 AM

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Skins 27
Rams 13

McVay doesnt know this defense imo.
Our defense sets up the offense for success.

Meks 09-13-2017 10:58 AM

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Rams defenae has been.pretty legit for a while. I can see this going either waynif our defense steps up.... but i dont see it happening right now, i dont have faith in playcalling on either side of the ball.

23-17..... whoever wants it more

Chico23231 09-13-2017 10:59 AM

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offense: Eliminate Tunovers and the oline must play better

defense: Safety play needs to be better- must cover the TEs and over to provide over-top-coverage on Woods and Watkins.

I think folks are talking about the wrong D-Line front...I gotta feeling our D-Line will have a coming out party vs their Oline.

Defensewins 09-13-2017 11:36 AM

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I predict we run the ball less than 15 times.

Chico23231 09-13-2017 11:52 AM

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[quote=Defensewins;1173988]I predict we run the ball less than 15 times.[/quote]

was talking with a coworker and we were talking about how it makes us sick to Cook and Fournette completely running around and running thru folks but yet everyone says don't spend assets on RB, they are a dime a dozen.

yeah...

WillH 09-13-2017 12:31 PM

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[quote=Chico23231;1173990]was talking with a coworker and we were talking about how it makes us sick to Cook and Fournette completely running around and running thru folks but yet everyone says don't spend assets on RB, they are a dime a dozen.

yeah...[/quote]

I'm jealous for sure, but it seems that RBs have a bigger impact in game 1 then they generally do throughout the year. How many first or second round RBs in recent history have taken their team to the Super Bowl? Not many. It's important to have some semblance of a run game for balance and a stud RB certainly helps win games, but last year I heard that on average "balanced" Offenses called 60/40 pass/run.

So... I think I'm happy with the Allen pick, but we have been whiffing on our RBs recently, maybe Perine pans out, but he needs to get himself on the field.

WillH 09-13-2017 12:40 PM

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I think Offense will continue to struggle to find themselves in this game, I don't think Kirk will be quite as inaccurate, but our running game will still be suspect, Redzone struggles will continue, and I think it's a little early still to expect Cousins and Pryor to hit the deep ball consistently yet. I don't see us getting more than 2TD and 4FG. If we are going to win I think the D has to keep us in it. Also, winning the field position and TO battle is going to be key. I think this D can get 2-3 TOs in any given game (not on average), if the offense can limit themselves to 1-2 we're in good shape.

26-20 Skins

MTK 09-13-2017 12:42 PM

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Need a line that can run block otherwise your back doesn't matter.

MTK 09-13-2017 12:43 PM

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72-0 Rams

skinsfan69 09-13-2017 01:20 PM

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[quote=Chico23231;1173990]was talking with a coworker and we were talking about how it makes us sick to Cook and Fournette completely running around and running thru folks but yet everyone says don't spend assets on RB, they are a dime a dozen.

yeah...[/quote]

It's not a one game season. Everyone gets rich fat and happy on the Saints D. I'd like to see the line at least let Kelley get to the line of scrimmage w/out getting hit.

skinsfaninok 09-13-2017 01:40 PM

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[quote=MTK;1173994]Need a line that can run block otherwise your back doesn't matter.[/quote]

Yeah when all we can do is run left, teams pick that up fast

Schneed10 09-13-2017 01:57 PM

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I think Cousins settles in here after being his typical spaz self in the first week. We would have put up a lot of points against the Eagles had some of his throws just been on target.

McVay though figures out a way to put us in a bind schematically, and scores his share of points. We win because Cousins is more settled, and Goff spazzes under blitz pressure.

Redskins 30
Rams 27

Defensewins 09-13-2017 02:00 PM

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[quote=Chico23231;1173990]was talking with a coworker and we were talking about how it makes us sick to Cook and Fournette completely running around and running thru folks but yet everyone says don't spend assets on RB, they are a dime a dozen.

yeah...[/quote]

I agree with Matty's reply just below yours, IMO the problem is not so much the Rb's. The bigger problem is the O-line, TE's and FB's blocking. It is fucked up when the defense is behind the line of scrimmage as the Rb is getting the ball. We could have a young OJ Simpson and Gayle Sayres and we would still not able to open holes for them.
The blocking was a major problem last year and nothing was done this off season to address it.
I hate to say this, but we are a fucking [B][U]finesse team[/U][/B] now. Thanks Gruden and FO.
I would much rather be a smash mouth balanced offense any day of the week. Leave the passing records for the stat geeks.

Giantone 09-13-2017 02:43 PM

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[quote=MTK;1173994]Need a line that can run block otherwise your back doesn't matter.[/quote]

Nether does your passing game ,the Giants proved that Sunday night.

EARTHQUAKE2689 09-13-2017 02:57 PM

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[quote=Defensewins;1173999]I agree with Matty's reply just below yours, IMO the problem is not so much the Rb's. The bigger problem is the O-line, TE's and FB's blocking. It is fucked up when the defense is behind the line of scrimmage as the Rb is getting the ball. We could have a young OJ Simpson and Gayle Sayres and we would still not able to open holes for them.
The blocking was a major problem last year and nothing was done this off season to address it.
I hate to say this, but we are a fucking [B][U]finesse team[/U][/B] now. Thanks Gruden and FO.
I would much rather be a smash mouth balanced offense any day of the week. Leave the passing records for the stat geeks.[/quote]

Yes you do need an OL for sure to open up some holes, but Kelley is just whatever to me, I think it is understated that the back doesn't play a role in there too, we have seen a lot of backs who can turn a 2-3 yard gain into a 15 yard one and Kelley doesn't have that ability to me.

over the mountain 09-13-2017 03:45 PM

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[url=http://www.ramsondemand.com/threads/on-to-week-2-vs-wash.51001/page-3]On to Week 2 - vs Wash | Page 3 | Rams ON DEMAND[/url]

Rams fans certainly are an optimistic bunch. Big win week 1, new wonder kid head coach ..... honeymoons always seem to go well.

I forgot how much I hate the Rams.

TheMalcolmConnection 09-13-2017 03:59 PM

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After reading this, I totally forgot they have Sammy Watkins... Argh.

He's nasty when he's not hurt, and people like that typically just own us for some reason.

Schneed10 09-13-2017 04:04 PM

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The offenses that kill us are the ones with athletic TEs. The Rams don't have one.

I don't think their offensive line is terrific - I think we can get to Goff enough.

Meanwhile, their pass rush is ferocious but I like our offensive line to bounce back just enough.

over the mountain 09-13-2017 04:31 PM

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[quote=Schneed10;1174005]The offenses that kill us are the ones with athletic TEs. The Rams don't have one.

[B]I don't think their offensive line is terrific - I think we can get to Goff enough.[/B]

Meanwhile, their pass rush is ferocious but I like our offensive line to bounce back just enough.[/quote]

I think so as well, seems like the O line is a patched up unit this season. Their RT Havenstein (3 year pro, 2nd rounder) is from Mt Airy, Maryland but played for Wisconsin. Seems like a decent young RT.

LT Andrew Whitworth is 35, juts signed a 3 yr 35 M contract.

C John Sullivan. Yes, that John Sullivan who we brought out of retirement last year.

Gs -- Rodger Saffold and Jamon Brown. Both are relatively young and 2-3 round draft picks.

I read that Brown was taking all the preseason snaps at RT but it appears Havenstein is playing RT.

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Attack the right side. If Kerrigan cant force McVay to give help/slide pass pro to the right, then overload the right .... force this newly together O line unit to have to communicate,make decisions. Good thing it appeared Munasky and Tomsula are aggressive up front.

mooby 09-13-2017 05:18 PM

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If I'm the Rams, I'm lining up Aaron Donald on Lauvao/Long and letting him wreak havoc. It will be close but it all depends on turnovers. Really not sure how good their o-line is but if they can control the LOS it will be a long day. Should be a good test for our defense. Hopefully Gruden goes easy on the 3 wides and keeps some help on the o-line, if we do that our odds improve. Just don't ask Jordan Reed to stay in to block lol.

WillH 09-13-2017 05:35 PM

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I'm going to go back and look at the film of Kelleys runs again I think, and post what I'm seeing. I don't know blocking schemes, so I don't know who's doing their job and who's not unless it's obvious. But I can tell how to follow a block, and when I rewatched the whole game Monday, Most his runs seemed to me to end with him choosing the wrong cut. I'll take screen shots and see what you all think.

mooby 09-13-2017 06:12 PM

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[quote=WillH;1174009]I'm going to go back and look at the film of Kelleys runs again I think, and post what I'm seeing. I don't know blocking schemes, so I don't know who's doing their job and who's not unless it's obvious. But I can tell how to follow a block, and when I rewatched the whole game Monday, Most his runs seemed to me to end with him choosing the wrong cut. I'll take screen shots and see what you all think.[/quote]

I think it's a balancing act between the line and the back, part of it requires good blocking and part of requires the back having good vision. I haven't seen anything out of Kelley so far that makes me think he has good vision to turn no-gains into decent ones, but then again the blocking hasn't been great either. I'm interested to see what you turn up, but I really haven't seen anything out of Kelley that makes me think he's more than just a guy. His intangibles might be great, he's obviously got a better work ethic than Matt Jones, but I think his athletic ability is limited. He'll never out run anybody and he's not Marshawn Lynch when it comes to breaking tackles.

Chico23231 09-13-2017 07:59 PM

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Josh Doctson (hamstring) was limited in Wednesday's practice.

Coach Jay Gruden said Doctson was experience "tightness" Wednesday. It's the same issue that troubled Doctson in the preseason, though it's unclear if it's the same leg. Doctson being unable to get to or stay at 100 percent has become a far too common occurrence. He ran as the No. 4 receiver in the Week 1 loss and isn't going to pass Ryan Grant if he can't even practice.

Bust central.

WillH 09-13-2017 09:17 PM

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So I went back to look at Kelleys runs, and I will admit that there were at least two plays he had no chance, but that's going to happen to every RB and a starter makes the most of the opportunities they do get. So I will show three plays that I think he could've made a better read and cut the other direction.

So here we go[IMG]https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170914/6df4d525da8db3e3b7d9d97fbc41ec1b.jpg[/IMG]

Yellow is where he should have gone . . . Look at the red jerseys and daylight.

Instead...

[IMG]https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170914/f92a8f4d34371105e5db7891145bf011.jpg[/IMG]


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WillH 09-13-2017 09:22 PM

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Next on this outside run he could have either bounced it outside where there was a blocker and one defender to beat . . .

[IMG]https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170914/1f0c4fa591e807da346571263d49c229.jpg[/IMG]

Or . . . Take your chances with 3 unblocked players . . .

[IMG]https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170914/d960ac351531d310e909ce04a0a3c37a.jpg[/IMG]


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skinsfaninok 09-13-2017 09:23 PM

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Nice work. He needs to see that hole

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WillH 09-13-2017 09:24 PM

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Finally his biggest run of the game for 6 yards, again follow your blocker and try to get around the edge . . .

[IMG]https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170914/8d7f0fc834e3410c7465e6092253a001.jpg[/IMG]

Or cut inside and take your chances with multiple defenders . . .

[IMG]https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170914/423d83073877562048283bff7d7abff8.jpg[/IMG]


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