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Well at this point we are looking at a top 12 pick, possibly top 8. We have a ton of holes and of course one huge ? That is Kirk, does the team pay him 28M or do they draft (Allen, mayfield, rudolph) .

If you sign him, then I take a pass rusher with that pick or Guard.

Wr in the 2nd or 3rd.

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Can we forfeit the rest of the season? That draft position might really come in handy when we have to trade up for Mayfield to replace Kirk once he walks. We could really use these remaining weeks off to rest and get healthy for next year too.

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[QUOTE=mooby;1182734]Can we forfeit the rest of the season? That draft position might really come in handy when we have to trade up for Mayfield to replace Kirk once he walks. We could really use these remaining weeks off to rest and get healthy for next year too.[/QUOTE]I'd sit Trent and Moses the 3 games just lose out and get a good pick

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Sit Kirk play McCoy he’s beefed up his resume as much as he could.


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ESPN headline "[URL="http://www.espn.com/blog/washington-redskins/post/_/id/34865/redskins-ugly-losses-will-lead-to-tough-questions-down-the-stretch"]Redskins' ugly losses will lead to tough questions down the stretch[/URL]" lol

Not gonna read the article, but I will try to guess what the tough questions are.

Is this team done? Yes.
Should Gruden be fired? Inconclusive.
Are we out of the playoff race? haha if that's still a serious question reevaluate your life.
Can we play better? You'd like to think so, but with the level of talent that's also inconclusive.
Has this team quit? Possibly.
Should we give Kirk a massive extension? Two games ago, I'm an "absolutely" kinda guy. Now I'm just a, "hey that's a legit question" kinda guy.
Are we noncompetitive because Gruden and staff are having to teach training camp concepts to guys fresh off the street? Possibly.
Is there any easy answer? Ehhh.
Anything worth playing for at this point? Ehhh.
Is the level we're playing at a direct reflection of this coaching staff's optimism towards our remaining games, aka "has our coaching staff mailed it in?" Good question there.

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As much as I want to look forward to the draft, I realize this front office group is the same group that let the Cowboys obtain DeMarcus Lawrence with our pick while we traded down for Trent Murphy and Spencer Long.

I have no confidence in this group.

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apparently they have a top 10 pick now.......trade down and find a good GM who can evaluate college prospects

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Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk[/QUOTE]Unbelievable. And a sad franchise

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If I'm the team I am working a sign and trade deal for Kirk. I'm trading Reed as well. In the draft, I am targeting players with speed and those that scare opposing teams. Enough of this good character guys bull.

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[QUOTE=diehardskin2982;1182753]If I'm the team I am working a sign and trade deal for Kirk. I'm trading Reed as well. In the draft, I am targeting players with speed and those that scare opposing teams. Enough of this good character guys bull.[/QUOTE]Nobody is gonna trade for Kirk, they know the skins can't afford to tag him again, I agree with that, about speed. This team is so slow on offense

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Offseason list:

Fire Allen
Switch to 4-3
Restructure Norman and Reed's contracts, if they are not willing trade or cut them
Resign Cousins, if not draft a QB
Resign Brown
Resign Murphy, Foster (if he wants to stay)
Get rid of Lauvao, Hall, Long, Gallette, Compton, Breeland, Hood, Pryor, etc.
Draft an ILB, passrusher, RB, WR, G, DL, S in whatever position of talent available
Depending if Cousins walks fill positions of need with FA's

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1182768]Offseason list:

Fire Allen
Switch to 4-3
Restructure Norman and Reed's contracts, if they are not willing trade or cut them
Resign Cousins, if not draft a QB
Resign Brown
Resign Murphy, Foster (if he wants to stay)
Get rid of Lauvao, Hall, Long, Gallette, Compton, Breeland, Hood, Pryor, etc.
Draft an ILB, passrusher, RB, WR, G, DL, S in whatever position of talent available
Depending if Cousins walks fill positions of need with FA's[/quote]

Very good plan. Cutting Norman would cost $ 9 million in dead cap space though....he has no trade value with a $17 million dollar cap hit.

If they do not sign KC they could have $60 - $70+ million in cap space. (including $15 million from 2017) However, the list of free agents is mediocre.

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We need a no 1WR and draft another talent at RB with one of the first 2 picks. We are seriously lacking talent at skill positions. It’s sad we couldn’t run against one of the worst run defenses in the league.

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[quote=Chico23231;1182785]We need a no 1WR and draft another talent at RB with one of the first 2 picks. We are seriously lacking talent at skill positions. It’s sad we couldn’t run against one of the worst run defenses in the league.[/quote]

I think our patched and hurt players in the OL didn’t help. Scherref was the only healthy starter.

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If we pick in top 7 I would love to see a Derwin James/ DJ Swearinger safety tandem.

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Josh Norman isn't the problem guys, yes I'd see if he would take a little cut but he's been our most consistent player on D since joining the team. Nobody throws his way hardly, that is a huge deal.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1182818]Josh Norman isn't the problem guys, yes I'd see if he would take a little cut but he's been our most consistent player on D since joining the team. Nobody throws his way hardly, that is a huge deal.[/quote]

He’s been getting burnt and is not injured anymore. Kendall Fuller is our best CB.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1182827]He’s been getting burnt and is not injured anymore. Kendall Fuller is our best CB.[/quote]

yesterday was the only true game he got burned and that is because the whole team has quit

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Norman is healing from broken ribs, he is not the problem. We have no real pass rush, Deshazor Everett is not a starting caliber safety and we are seeing entirely too much Zach Vigil on the field

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[quote=diehardskin2982;1182835]Norman is healing from broken ribs, he is not the problem. We have no real pass rush, Deshazor Everett is not a starting caliber safety and we are seeing entirely too much Zach Vigil on the field[/quote]

I think everyone is forgetting that He could have sat the rest of the season if he wanted too

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It seems like there 2 potential franchise QBs in Rosen and Darnold. Then 2 top 15 draft pick QBs in L Jackson and the OSU QB. Then 2 1-2nd round picks in Mayfield and Wyoming QB.

With Kirk gone, I think you have to go BA QB baring some crazy player falling into your lap.

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[quote=over the mountain;1182838]It seems like there 2 potential franchise QBs in Rosen and Darnold. Then 2 top 15 draft pick QBs in L Jackson and the OSU QB. Then 2 1-2nd round picks in Mayfield and Wyoming QB.

With Kirk gone, I think you have to go BA QB baring some crazy player falling into your lap.[/quote]

Baker is like a Russell Wilson, he's just a gamer that makes plays.

I'd take Allen or Mayfield.

I'm not a huge Darnold guy.

Rudolph to me is another Tannehill

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Anybody else like Riley Ferguson of Memphis? I think he is worth a shot for a later round QB pick, I believe he is projected as a 4-5th rounder. If it were me I would use the high picks to shore up the defense.

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[quote=Buffalo Bob;1182856]Anybody else like Riley Ferguson of Memphis? I think he is worth a shot for a later round QB pick, I believe he is projected as a 4-5th rounder. If it were me I would use the high picks to shore up the defense.[/quote]

I'd rather take a QB round 1 and just start him if that's the case.

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[quote=over the mountain;1182838]It seems like there 2 potential franchise QBs in Rosen and Darnold. Then 2 top 15 draft pick QBs in L Jackson and the OSU QB. Then 2 1-2nd round picks in Mayfield and Wyoming QB.

With Kirk gone, I think you have to go BA QB baring some crazy player falling into your lap.[/quote]

Only one franchise QB, Carson Palmer has came out of USC in the past 40 years, along with dozens of guys that were drafted high and were nothing but low end starters or back-ups. USC has always been good at recruiting top notch offensive lineman, receivers, and running backs, which seem to make the QB look better than he is. Matt Leinart is a good recent example, drafted 10th overall and nothing but a borderline 3rd string NFL QB.

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Unless you are Aaron Rodgers or maybe now Jared Goff, I would stay away from PAC 12 QB's. I was sold on Mariota but he has had an awful season despite the team being 8-5. Especially from USC, all of those guys have sucked in the NFL.

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Rosen is the best QB in this class. Browns should be forced by the NFL to draft him.

Baker Mayfield is # 2. If he was a couple inches taller he'd be consensus top 5 overall pick. Someone just has to think he's more Drew Brees than Johny Manziel.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1182866]Rosen is the best QB in this class. Browns should be forced by the NFL to draft him.

Baker Mayfield is # 2. If he was a couple inches taller he'd be consensus top 5 overall pick. Someone just has to think he's more Drew Brees than Johny Manziel.[/quote]

I don't understand the Manziel talk? He is a coke head, Baker isn't even close to that.

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I prefer continuity but i've seen enough that I wouldn't mind major changes.

I think Dan Snyder should inform Bruce Allen that he will no longer be involved in football-related matters with the team. Then Snyder should conduct a thorough search for a true GM. The new GM will manage all departments of football operations and he will report directly to Dan Snyder.

The new GM would immediately begin working on Free Agency and the Draft.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1182873]I prefer continuity but i've seen enough that I wouldn't mind major changes.

I think Dan Snyder should inform Bruce Allen that he will no longer be involved in football-related matters with the team. Then Snyder should conduct a thorough search for a true GM. The new GM will manage all departments of football operations and he will report directly to Dan Snyder.

The new GM would immediately begin working on Free Agency and the Draft.[/quote]

I just don't see Dan letting Bruce go, now maybe we'll get lucky and he'll resign? I doubt either happen though.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1182875]I just don't see Dan letting Bruce go, now maybe we'll get lucky and he'll resign? I doubt either happen though.[/quote]

We will see if Dan has learned. We are very close to the Zorn/Cerrato moment. Dan can either fire BA, bring in a GM and let him hire a true HC. OR BA stays, we bring in a Zorn equivalent, and a year from now we have banners being banned again.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1182875]I just don't see Dan letting Bruce go, now maybe we'll get lucky and he'll resign? I doubt either happen though.[/quote]

I didn't say Snyder should fire Bruce Allen. He could let Bruce continue to win [U]off[/U] the field - and only off the field - as President of Administration, or something.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1182872]I don't understand the Manziel talk? He is a coke head, Baker isn't even close to that.[/quote]

I was moreso thinking of size wise, playing style, and on field personalities. Not too many comparisons in the NFL. Not talking about off the field stuff.

If we don't keep Cousins I wouldn't be against picking him.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1182880]I was moreso thinking of size wise, playing style, and on field personalities. Not too many comparisons in the NFL. Not talking about off the field stuff.

If we don't keep Cousins I wouldn't be against picking him.[/quote]

I think he could be a RW type QB, I wouldn't mind taking him either.

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As much as Bruce rubs me the wrong way, aside from the mishandling of Cousins (which is huge but maybe a Snyder dictate), I think we have done okay with player acquisition, cap and contracts.

Snagged prime time FAs in Desean and Norman when other teams were in the hunt. Swearinger and Zach Brown have been good. I liked the Pryor signing at the time and give skins credit for only doing a 1 yr show me. I imagine a Vinny would have given him 5 years, 50 M.

Cap is in good shape. No big bad contracts on the books. Very little dead cap after this season.

How much credit/blame does he get vs Scot or Schaffer? Idk.

Contracts given out, I dont think is the problem. Of course, the mess up with Cousins is fireable by itself.

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I just can't get into a draft thread in December. The draft is 5 months away.

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Jay Gruden on Kirk Cousins, "He was not quite as accurate as he has been. Everyone who has seen Kirk play in his three years, knows he missed throws he normally makes."

It's comments like this that make u really wonder if Kirk has hit his ceiling and maybe we should look at a QB?

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As a Skins fan, its draft season the day after the draft ends. Of course the whole conversation really can't begin until after the franchise tag deadline expires.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1182903]I just can't get into a draft thread in December. The draft is 5 months away.[/quote]

I usually don't but what else we got?