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I expected a loss but not that ugly. And not that way, even our supposed areas of strength sucked last night... urrrghhhh ...



Positives:

-Zach Vigil definitely is a nice surprise

-We generated more pressure than I expected against a really solid OL (least sacked team in the NFL, only 13 sacks allowed before this week, we got 2 in the first half)

-I thought our own OL hold up pretty good in pass protect (considering how banged up it is) until pretty late in the game

-Crowder seems to finally have found his hands back. Tough catch in the first half, and no drops.

-Also a nice tough catch by Niles Paul in the first half (I'm digging for positives...)

Negatives

-Poor effort overall

-Very disappointed by our secondary. Even Norman has not been himself lately...

-We can't stop the run even against a poor rushing team

-We can't run the ball even against a poor rush defense

-We're officially out of the PO race. Season's over. Onto next year. Let see if Gruden can fight for his job. I hope he does.


Finally, I don't know what to think of Kirk's performance. He definitely improved his pocket mobility and ability to extend the play. Made some tough throws.
But also had some poor decisions and could have had more than one pick... And he kinda faded away as the game went on.

*Sigh*... let the "burn it down" parade begin...

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I knew we were gonna lose, but I agree the lack of effort is not acceptable.

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First game of the year that I felt we were totally out played and didn't have the chance. You just have to wonder if all the injuries are not having an affect on the entire team. I'm sure our rotations are affected a lot and it now starting to really wear down our players. Not trying to make an excuse but just trying to under stand our poor play yesterday. I also think the injuries are one of the reason we are getting worn down by the 4th quarter. It could be our conditioning coach which is Grudens nephew.

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Positives - our season is over so I can drink less and save money every week

Negatives:

Our HC is a baffoon who couldn't motivate a mouse to eat cheese

Cousins stunk

Defense stunk

Offense stunk

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I wasn’t surprised, the Chargers have been playing like a team on a mission, meanwhile we’re battered and outgunned.

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I like the Chargers. Favorite AFC team. Hopefully our lack of any effort whatsoever can go towards them getting into the playoffs.

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Chargers 2nd to last Run Defense and we couldn't run the ball. If we cant run the ball we don't win.

This offseason we need to get a running back and a new LG. 1st or 2nd pick type running back, not this second tier shit.

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[quote=Chico23231;1182868]Chargers 2nd to last Run Defense and we couldn't run the ball. If we cant run the ball we don't win.

This offseason we need to get a running back and a new LG. 1st or 2nd pick type running back, not this second tier shit.[/quote]

Perine is a good number 2, if you have a flashy back as your 1.

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[quote=Chico23231;1182868]Chargers 2nd to last Run Defense and we couldn't run the ball. If we cant run the ball we don't win.

This offseason we need to get a running back and a new LG. 1st or 2nd pick type running back, not this second tier shit.[/quote]

We gotten new running backs, weve rotated guys in the LG spot .. same result. I want a 3 down TE who can block just as well as he can run routes and catch.
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I cant remember the last time I didnt watch a skins game. I dvr'd the game yesterday, didnt watch it and dont think I will.

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[quote=over the mountain;1182884]We gotten new running backs, weve rotated guys in the LG spot .. same result. I want a 3 down TE who can block just as well as he can run routes and catch.
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[COLOR="Black"][B]I cant remember the last time I didnt watch a skins game. I dvr'd the game yesterday, didnt watch it and dont think I will.[/B][/COLOR][/quote]

I dont blame u man

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[QUOTE=Back2RFK;1182862] [...] It could be our conditioning coach which is Grudens nephew.[/QUOTE]

Good point, the guy looks like a freak but working out to look good and strengthening and preparing your body for the war are 2 completely different things!

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[quote=over the mountain;1182884]We gotten new running backs, weve rotated guys in the LG spot .. same result. I want a 3 down TE who can block just as well as he can run routes and catch.
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I cant remember the last time I didnt watch a skins game. I dvr'd the game yesterday, didnt watch it and dont think I will.[/quote]

I really wouldn't call a 4th round pick a serious investment. Im saying if there is a Davin Cook/Fournette type this draft, we take him. We are developing Sprinkle as that 3 down TE. And LG, Lauvoa goes for sure and we should try something different there.

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Waiting on us to win the one random game that will drop us back like four slots in the draft.

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I haven't seen this lack of effort since the last few games of the Shanahan regime. We all know what happened after that. I actually paid more attention to the Eagles-Rams game as that was a very good game with a lot riding on it. However, I would periodically switch back to the 'skins game, and question to myself why I did so!

Dan Snyder needs to just clean house and start over. I don't feel overly confident in Doug Williams being the next great GM, but who knows? Maybe he's (again) what this team needs to win a Super Bowl? I'm kind of at the feeling now that regardless, we'll probably lose Kirk Cousins. Guess we need to just brace ourselves for yet another "tear it all down and rebuild it once again" deal.

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;1182890]Waiting on us to win the one random game that will drop us back like four slots in the draft.[/quote]

That will prob happen against the Giants.

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[quote=metalskins;1182891]I haven't seen this lack of effort since the last few games of the Shanahan regime. We all know what happened after that. I actually paid more attention to the Eagles-Rams game as that was a very good game with a lot riding on it. However, I would periodically switch back to the 'skins game, and question to myself why I did so!

Dan Snyder needs to just clean house and start over. I don't feel overly confident in Doug Williams being the next great GM, but who knows? Maybe he's (again) what this team needs to win a Super Bowl? I'm kind of at the feeling now that regardless, we'll probably lose Kirk Cousins. Guess we need to just brace ourselves for yet another "tear it all down and rebuild it once again" deal.[/quote]

Yesterday was the first time (not counting being away for army stuff) that I missed the entire first quarter since I was a kid. I probably won't watch the AZ game either, I'll be doing other stuff from now on until next yr.

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[quote=Chico23231;1182889]I really wouldn't call a 4th round pick a serious investment. Im saying if there is a Davin Cook/Fournette type this draft, we take him. We are developing Sprinkle as that 3 down TE. And LG, Lauvoa goes for sure and we should try something different there.[/quote]

Im in the camp that thinks RB are not worth top end resources .. unless it is a true game breaker. Of course, the skins have followed this path and our run game has sucked. Scheme? lack of top end RB? Idk ... but I dont want our 1st round pick going to the RB position. Rather we draft a QB and give Bell money or something.

Sprinkle may be fine as no. 3 on the TE depth chart but he is not a 3 down TE.

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“Because when you look at everything and how everything is panning out, you have to look at the coach first,” Moss said on NBC Sports Washington. “I know the players have to play the game. And as a player, I always said we have to play the game; we have control of what happens on that field. But you also have to be coached by that guy. And not to say he’s not doing a good job in my eyes. I just feel like, from ownership, they have to look at that coach and see if he’s the right one for the future.”

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1182900]“Because when you look at everything and how everything is panning out, you have to look at the coach first,” Moss said on NBC Sports Washington. “I know the players have to play the game. And as a player, I always said we have to play the game; we have control of what happens on that field. But you also have to be coached by that guy. And not to say he’s not doing a good job in my eyes. I just feel like, from ownership, they have to look at that coach and see if he’s the right one for the future.”[/quote]

I'm almost willing to go the College coach route again. I would love more than anything to snag Jim Harbaugh, but again, it all starts with the right guy in the front office getting you the players. You know, Vinny Cerrato and company helped to bring in some solid players (Santana Moss, London Fletcher, Sean Taylor, Chris Samuels, Jon Jansen, etc..) although we all know he's always going to be known for the over the hill, high dollar priced big names like Albert Hanesworth.

Same with Bruce Allen. Under his tenure, the 'skins have picked up some solid players, and have largely missed on others. I actually feel Allen is equal to Vinny Cerrato. Only difference is, Allen brought in the mustard pants which i don't really care for, and he has a "contracts guy" who does all the negotiations and working of the contracts. The contracts have been a pretty solid thing under Allen, but in regards to finding quality depth and those bargain basement players that can make all the difference in the world, Allen has largely failed with this. And in my opinion, it's not who you choose in the first few rounds that measures your competency as a GM, but who you find at the end of the draft, free agency, and undrafted players. That's what separated Bobby Beathard from the rest IMO.

It all starts with finding the right GM. I don't know of any other GM right off the top of my head, who would be available, or head of scouting that's ready to make the leap, that would be better than Scot McCloughan. I think he would come back to the Redskins if Allen is gone. I think Snyder would welcome him back. The team needs a competent GM who's going to have real power to form the product you see out on the field each and every weekend. All Allen did was go by McCloughan's draft board, for the most part, but other than that, he's managed to lose two 1000 yard receivers and cast a group of guys who have been largely injured throughout the season.

Heck, McCloughan at least brought in mid-season guys who have been difference makers, like Vernon Davis. What has Allen been able to bring in during mid season to give this team a huge lift?

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[quote=metalskins;1182912]I'm almost willing to go the College coach route again. I would love more than anything to snag Jim Harbaugh, but again, it all starts with the right guy in the front office getting you the players. You know, Vinny Cerrato and company helped to bring in some solid players (Santana Moss, London Fletcher, Sean Taylor, Chris Samuels, Jon Jansen, etc..) although we all know he's always going to be known for the over the hill, high dollar priced big names like Albert Hanesworth.

Same with Bruce Allen. Under his tenure, the 'skins have picked up some solid players, and have largely missed on others. I actually feel Allen is equal to Vinny Cerrato. Only difference is, Allen brought in the mustard pants which i don't really care for, and he has a "contracts guy" who does all the negotiations and working of the contracts. The contracts have been a pretty solid thing under Allen, but in regards to finding quality depth and those bargain basement players that can make all the difference in the world, Allen has largely failed with this. And in my opinion, it's not who you choose in the first few rounds that measures your competency as a GM, but who you find at the end of the draft, free agency, and undrafted players. That's what separated Bobby Beathard from the rest IMO.

It all starts with finding the right GM. I don't know of any other GM right off the top of my head, who would be available, or head of scouting that's ready to make the leap, that would be better than Scot McCloughan. I think he would come back to the Redskins if Allen is gone. I think Snyder would welcome him back. The team needs a competent GM who's going to have real power to form the product you see out on the field each and every weekend. All Allen did was go by McCloughan's draft board, for the most part, but other than that, he's managed to lose two 1000 yard receivers and cast a group of guys who have been largely injured throughout the season.

Heck, McCloughan at least brought in mid-season guys who have been difference makers, like Vernon Davis. What has Allen been able to bring in during mid season to give this team a huge lift?[/quote]



I just cant do college man, they never work out 95% of the time. I think we need a younger hungry guy like Josh Mcdaniels or Sean Mcvay... Oh wait

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1182924]I just cant do college man, they never work out 95% of the time. I think we need a younger hungry guy like Josh Mcdaniels or Sean Mcvay... Oh wait[/quote]

Honestly though, I don't see any coach successful until we have a proper GM in place.

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[quote=metalskins;1182931]Honestly though, I don't see any coach successful until we have a proper GM in place.[/quote]

no doubt

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I'd be down with Russ Grimm on the condition he hires a young up and coming OC. Old school toughness with high tech offense sounds good to me.

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I enjoying conversating with you guys, but (classic soften-the-blow statement here) Russ Grimm and Josh McDaniels? One has never been a coordinator, the other was one of the worst head coaches in modern history with the Broncos.

Reading this thread has made me realize we really took it for granted when McVay was here.

I also don't have faith that we're smart enough to identify the next young up-and-comer in the mold of McVay, which is why I'm still not sold on firing Gruden. The lack of effort thing kills me though. That directly reflects on the head coach.

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[quote=mooby;1182939]I enjoying conversating with you guys, but (classic soften-the-blow statement here) Russ Grimm and Josh McDaniels? One has never been a coordinator, the other was one of the worst head coaches in modern history with the Broncos.

Reading this thread has made me realize we really took it for granted when McVay was here.

I also don't have faith that we're smart enough to identify the next young up-and-comer in the mold of McVay, which is why I'm still not sold on firing Gruden. The lack of effort thing kills me though. That directly reflects on the head coach.[/quote]

I just want someone that is tough hard nosed coach. No more of this player friendly crap. And I don't want HC calling plays for either side. HC is supposed to be the CEO that establishes the teams identity. Don't want Jay's identity on this team.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1182941]I just want someone that is tough hard nosed coach. No more of this player friendly crap. And I don't want HC calling plays for either side. HC is supposed to be the CEO that establishes the teams identity. Don't want Jay's identity on this team.[/quote]

I see where you're coming from, but I just want a coach who has players willing to run through a brick wall for him. He has to command respect. A guy like Mike Tomlin, for example. Sets the tone, but can also delegate to his lieutenants as necessary.

My problem with Jay is the fear that he can't be that guy without McVay, and these last two games the lack of effort has been really surprising. Now guys like Norman and Swearinger are airing their grievances in the media, it really tells me something is fundamentally wrong. We didn't let injuries be an excuse against Seattle, or hold us back for the first 55 minutes against the Saints. So why now? A team not being ready to play is a direct reflection of its' coaches.

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When the season is winding down and you're beat up, out of the playoff hunt, and coming off tough losses, guys are going to get frustrated and blow off steam in the media. I don't think it needs to be blown up into anything bigger than it is.

Swearinger seemed more ticked about players not preparing themselves, not knowing their assignments, obviously not doing their homework. Coaches can set the tone but at some point the players have to be responsible too.

[QUOTE]Swearinger's concern was unnamed teammates asking him, even in pregame about “how we play certain stuff, what position we should be in.” Questions a player should know the answers to long before they take the field.

“I’m a player, I can only get myself ready,” Swearinger said. “I try to get the defense ready as much as I can, but you’ve got to prepare yourself. We’re all pros. Jay can say what he wants to say, but we’re pros and we have to prepare ourselves the way we know how to play. Older guys should know. They should know how to prepare. We should trickle it down to the guys who don’t know how to prepare. We need to do something to figure this out to get better.”[/QUOTE]

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[quote=metalskins;1182931]Honestly though, I don't see any coach successful until we have a proper GM in place.[/quote]

Yes. Bruce's tenure here has been a failure Win / Loss wise.

Until he is gone, it does not matter who comes in here as coach.

Until Bruce is gone, it is going to 100% affect who would WANT to come here even if/when we fire Jay...

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Yeah at least the Redskins will beat the Giants. Giants season stinks!

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[quote=JPPT1974;1182955]Yeah at least the Redskins will beat the Giants. Giants season stinks![/quote]

We have seen nothing these last two games to indicate the Redskins at this point in time could beat the Giants again.

Gruden / The players seem to have packed it in. Very real chance we have benched guys by the time of the Arizona game. We are facing a 5-11 season here, and all of our losses might come by huge blowouts. Then we have the fun that is the Scot McCloughan hearing on the 18th. This is a special time to be a Skins fan.

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I have said this all season, there isn't a WR, TE, or RB on this team that Kirk trusts, and that is especially true when Thompson went out. We need an outside threat that can do something for this team. This was basically Doctson's rookie season and maybe he can develop into that guy but Kirk needs some help. Reed is pissing me off with all these injuries

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;1182958]I have said this all season, there isn't a WR, TE, or RB on this team that Kirk trusts, and that is especially true when Thompson went out. We need an outside threat that can do something for this team. This was basically Doctson's rookie season and maybe he can develop into that guy but Kirk needs some help. Reed is pissing me off with all these injuries[/quote]

Okie is right about Doctson though. He is just slow. Reed is just one of those players that has extremely bad luck with injuries. Hopefully Sprinkle can develop and get the job done. With so many holes to fill to make this team a real contender, it won't happen til 2020 at the earliest, especially if Kirk does bolt and the coaching staff gets the boot. To think the Turkey day game gave us some real hope, only to have that hope thoroughly dashed is truly sad.

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[quote=JPPT1974;1182955]Yeah at least the Redskins will beat the Giants. Giants season stinks![/quote]

The way the Skins are playing I would not guarantee they would beat anybody right now. I would be afraid to play the Browns, at least their coach and players are still playing hard.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;1182958]I have said this all season, there isn't a WR, TE, or RB on this team that Kirk trusts, and that is especially true when Thompson went out. We need an outside threat that can do something for this team. This was basically Doctson's rookie season and maybe he can develop into that guy but Kirk needs some help. Reed is pissing me off with all these injuries[/quote]

There was a slant pass to Doc and he basically let the DB punk him and the ball almost got picked off.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1182973]There was a slant pass to Doc and he basically let the DB punk him and the ball almost got picked off.[/quote]

Yeah I saw that. I will say it again, Jarvis Landry in FA. I wanted him coming out of the draft anyway