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NBC Sports - ProFootballTalk: Report: Jay Gruden will stay put [url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/12/29/report-jay-gruden-will-stay-put/]Report: Jay Gruden will stay put – ProFootballTalk[/url]

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All the speculation is a moot point. Now let’s replace Bruce Allen, Kowitca and Hillard, sign Cousins and everything will be ok

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I know the S&C staff is under the gun right now. I agree with the posters in the other thread about evaluating. I remember reading the team basically fired the previous guy in order to promote and retain Engleheart.

At the end of 2016, he was highly sought after and was leaving if he wasn't promoted.

That being said, everyone should be evaluated but some injuries just happen.

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In the Bengals face!!!!!

I was pretty pro Gruden until this year, but he did a lot of things that ticked me off this year.

I hope its because they thought he's a good coach and not just because they're giving him a pass on injuries and/or penching pennies.

Man, I'd do anything to see a BA IS fired thread.

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I am in a frustrating place with this. On one hand, I agree the injuries were a ton to overcome and the fact that we stayed competitive against a tough schedule is a feather in Gruden’s cap. But on the other hand the loss at New Orleans and the losses against Dallas and the Chargers have me thinking that Gruden’s ceiling is 10-6.

Those were bad. The New Orleans loss in particular was preventable.

But you can still see the progress being steadily made with the developing depth on the roster. Fingers crossed for the next step to be taken and of course for Kirk to be retained.

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Jay is signed thru 2020. No way Snyder was going to eat 3 years of salary after a season that was destroyed by injuries.

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Bruce won't be fired.

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Gruden is not savvy enough to win unless we have a totally healthy and stacked team. In other words a team i could win 8 games coaching. He sucks. Bringing him back is a huge step in the wrong direction unless continuity starts counting for W’s.

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[QUOTE=SouperMeister;1184470]Jay is signed thru 2020. No way Snyder was going to eat 3 years of salary after a season that was destroyed by injuries.[/QUOTE]



So we go 5-11 to 9-7 for three more years. No thanks.

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[QUOTE=punch it in;1184663]So we go 5-11 to 9-7 for three more years. No thanks.[/QUOTE]Yeah it's the life of a skins fan

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If nothing changes, I should watch 0 games next year. But I know I'll watch all of them that I possibly can. My love for the Skins team/logo is more than all the hate I have combined towards any one person/group of people currently on the team or in charge. And I am confident this is the same for most of us here.

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[url]https://twitter.com/diannaESPN/status/947623881753407488[/url]

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Cool, good to know that Skins admit they have no plan on trying to win next year.

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I think Gruden deserves one more year. Glad he got it. Now, give him the front office help he needs to fill the roster and let's see what 2018 brings us. I think it's the right move.

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[QUOTE=sdskinsfan2001;1184667]If nothing changes, I should watch 0 games next year. But I know I'll watch all of them that I possibly can. My love for the Skins team/logo is more than all the hate I have combined towards any one person/group of people currently on the team or in charge. And I am confident this is the same for most of us here.[/QUOTE]Yep but I expect changes. Kirk will probably be the one I hope won't change but will.

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I don't think you can judge any coach fairly when working under Allen and Snyder. Gruden seems ok, i guess?

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[quote=HailGreen28;1184734]I don't think you can judge any coach fairly when working under Allen and Snyder. Gruden seems ok, i guess?[/quote]

Did you watch the Redskins games this year? Especially the last game of the season.

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[QUOTE=HailGreen28;1184734]I don't think you can judge any coach fairly when working under Allen and Snyder. Gruden seems ok, i guess?[/QUOTE]Allen & Snyder have nothing to do with in game decisions like time management , calling timeouts, not calling quarterback sneaks, screwing up the last 2 minutes of nearly every single game.

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Here’s to another season of mediocrity!


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[quote=DynamiteRave;1184751]Here’s to another season of mediocrity!


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What's one more year in the pit of misery? Dilly Dilly!

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[quote=punch it in;1184663]So we go 5-11 to 9-7 for three more years. No thanks.[/quote]

The idea of us going 5 - 7 with a healthy KC is ridiculous.

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[QUOTE=DynamiteRave;1184751]Here’s to another season of mediocrity!


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk[/QUOTE]This team could be very different also does Jay resign to join Jon in Oakland?

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He's a good coach and we will need him when Kirk leaves.

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I guess "Big Game Bob" hired a perfect replacement. He played to not lose. Pathetic. Wasted the talent of the best player in college football. Closed mouths don't get fed.

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I am fine with it. Need to find a defense and run game to make the next step. Hard to judge when passing was the only thing we do well and then that was taken away with doctson, pryor, reed and O line issues.

I think I am too soft on Jay though. I personally only judge on him on the passing game, blaming Callahan for the run woes and D Coord/roster deficiency for D. Then giving him a pass on the passing game this year bc of injuries and how we couldnt pass pro for 7 step drops/play action. But he has a track record of success to earn him a "bad injury year" excuse for this year.

1 more year, at least, seems like the most reasonable approach.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1184789]I guess "Big Game Bob" hired a perfect replacement. He played to not lose. Pathetic. Wasted the talent of the best player in college football. Closed mouths don't get fed.[/quote]

Def choked that game away

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It's a good move. My logic is, if a team is consistently winning about half of their games per season, and the Redskins are basically winning and average of 8 games per season now, then I believe it's a lot easier to build a team from there rather than starting at ground zero. 5 wins or less means that you have a lot of issues, and you're closer to a total rebuild. 8 wins means you're looking at changing the outcome of two games, which could make a world of difference between being a mediocre .500 team, and at minimum, being a consistent playoff team.

Gruden is at least an 8-8 coach. Yes, right now, he's Norv Turner. And while he greatly needs to improve in areas of coaching (game management, in-game adjustments, etc..), he has also been fantastic in keeping the team together through all the injuries that had occurred this season. So, again, my philosophy on this is, we're OK with allowing some players to develop, over time, and become great players if not super stars, why should it be different with head coaches? Not saying Gruden will ever become a superstar head coach, but I think he makes the most of his opportunity given to him to continue to improve. I think he's vastly improved over year one. I wasn't much of a fan of his halfway through year two. But Definitely by year three, I felt we had a solid good coach who would continue to improve, and I think he will.

Next year is a big year for the coaches. Let's see what happens. We may have another injury riddled year and we may have a year without Kirk Cousins. But, I'll say that Gruden is coaching on his last season as the Redskins head coach unless the Redskins are in the playoffs.

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Does anyone think that Gruden brings in a true Offensive Coordinator this year?

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[quote=metalskins;1184816]It's a good move. My logic is, if a team is consistently winning about half of their games per season, and the Redskins are basically winning and average of 8 games per season now, then I believe it's a lot easier to build a team from there rather than starting at ground zero. 5 wins or less means that you have a lot of issues, and you're closer to a total rebuild. 8 wins means you're looking at changing the outcome of two games, which could make a world of difference between being a mediocre .500 team, and at minimum, being a consistent playoff team.

Gruden is at least an 8-8 coach. Yes, right now, he's Norv Turner. And while he greatly needs to improve in areas of coaching (game management, in-game adjustments, etc..), he has also been fantastic in keeping the team together through all the injuries that had occurred this season. So, again, my philosophy on this is, we're OK with allowing some players to develop, over time, and become great players if not super stars, why should it be different with head coaches? Not saying Gruden will ever become a superstar head coach, but I think he makes the most of his opportunity given to him to continue to improve. I think he's vastly improved over year one. I wasn't much of a fan of his halfway through year two. But Definitely by year three, I felt we had a solid good coach who would continue to improve, and I think he will.

Next year is a big year for the coaches. Let's see what happens. We may have another injury riddled year and we may have a year without Kirk Cousins. But, I'll say that Gruden is coaching on his last season as the Redskins head coach unless the Redskins are in the playoffs.[/quote]me

Totally 100 percent agree with this. Especially the last part, for me it needs to be playoffs or bust. Ijuries are very hard to get over and still be consistent for ANY team. One more year with solid draft picks in keep positions.

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[quote=metalskins;1184816]It's a good move. My logic is, if a team is consistently winning about half of their games per season, and the Redskins are basically winning and average of 8 games per season now, then I believe it's a lot easier to build a team from there rather than starting at ground zero. 5 wins or less means that you have a lot of issues, and you're closer to a total rebuild. 8 wins means you're looking at changing the outcome of two games, which could make a world of difference between being a mediocre .500 team, and at minimum, being a consistent playoff team.

Gruden is at least an 8-8 coach. Yes, right now, he's Norv Turner. And while he greatly needs to improve in areas of coaching (game management, in-game adjustments, etc..), he has also been fantastic in keeping the team together through all the injuries that had occurred this season. So, again, my philosophy on this is, we're OK with allowing some players to develop, over time, and become great players if not super stars, why should it be different with head coaches? Not saying Gruden will ever become a superstar head coach, but I think he makes the most of his opportunity given to him to continue to improve. I think he's vastly improved over year one. I wasn't much of a fan of his halfway through year two. But Definitely by year three, I felt we had a solid good coach who would continue to improve, and I think he will.

Next year is a big year for the coaches. Let's see what happens. We may have another injury riddled year and we may have a year without Kirk Cousins. But, I'll say that Gruden is coaching on his last season as the Redskins head coach unless the Redskins are in the playoffs.[/quote]

I 100% agree as well. Anything less than playoffs next year and Gruden is gone. Although if we lose Kirk i guess he could always try and buy time by saying he doesn't have his QB, etc., etc.

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[quote=SolidSnake84;1184880]I 100% agree as well. Anything less than playoffs next year and Gruden is gone. Although if we lose Kirk i guess he could always try and buy time by saying he doesn't have his QB, etc., etc.[/quote]

If you lose Cousins, build a hell of a defense and pull a Baltimore with Trent Dilfer kind of move.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1184881]If you lose Cousins, build a hell of a defense and pull a Baltimore with Trent Dilfer kind of move.[/quote]

Well why couldn't you do that w/Cousins?

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[quote=skinsfan69;1184883]Well why couldn't you do that w/Cousins?[/quote]

Too busy drafting jackasses like Ryan Anderson

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;1184885]Too busy drafting jackasses like Ryan Anderson[/quote]

Man I thought he was a beast.... Maybe he will be next yr.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1184883]Well why couldn't you do that w/Cousins?[/quote]

I would love for Cousins to stay, the scenario is if he leaves and we either draft or sign another FA QB.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1184883]Well why couldn't you do that w/Cousins?[/quote]

Yeah this is the key point. They're not mutually exclusive of one another.

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[QUOTE=Schneed10;1184901]Yeah this is the key point. They're not mutually exclusive of one another.[/QUOTE]


Just wait, someone will say his potential contract will prevent the team from building the D

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[quote=MTK;1184907]Just wait, someone will say his potential contract will prevent the team from building the D[/quote]

I don't think his potential contract will prevent this team from building the D. How can it? His contract will be offered from another team anyway.

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[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/01/04/josh-norman-saw-a-lack-of-chemistry-in-washington/]Josh Norman saw a lack of chemistry in Washington – ProFootballTalk[/url]

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1185020][url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/01/04/josh-norman-saw-a-lack-of-chemistry-in-washington/]Josh Norman saw a lack of chemistry in Washington – ProFootballTalk[/url][/quote]


Definitely seems plausible to think there is a correlation. Hard to build team chemistry when you treat the other guys as work colleagues and that's it. Definitely good sign that some of those guys were starting to mail it in.