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I think we all agree how tragic this was. And I am sure we disagree on the solutions :(

But the remarks from Trump, I think were the words that a President should say. His delivery often is not the best but these words should be printed, bolded, and lifted to every student, child, parent and human in the US.
[QUOTE]My fellow Americans, today I speak to a nation in grief. Yesterday, a school filled with innocent children and caring teachers became the scene of terrible violence, hatred and evil.
Around 2:30 yesterday afternoon, police responded to reports of gunfire at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Florida -- a great and safe community. There, a shooter, who is now in custody, opened fire on defenseless students and teachers. He murdered 17 people and badly wounded at least 14 others.
Our entire nation, with one heavy heart, is praying for the victims and their families. To every parent, teacher, and child who is hurting so badly, we are here for you -- whatever you need, whatever we can do, to ease your pain. We are all joined together as one American family, and your suffering is our burden also.

No child, no teacher, should ever be in danger in an American school. No parent should ever have to fear for their sons and daughters when they kiss them goodbye in the morning.

Each person who was stolen from us yesterday had a full life ahead of them -- a life filled with wondrous beauty and unlimited potential and promise. Each one had dreams to pursue, love to give, and talents to share with the world. And each one had a family to whom they meant everything in the world.
Today, we mourn for all of those who lost their lives. We comfort the grieving and the wounded. And we hurt for the entire community of Parkland, Florida, that is now in shock, in pain, and searching for answers.

To law enforcement, first responders, and teachers who responded so bravely in the face of danger: We thank you for your courage. Soon after the shooting, I spoke with Gov. (Rick) Scott to convey our deepest sympathies to the people of Florida and our determination to assist in any way that we can. I also spoke with Florida Attorney General Pam Bondi and Broward County Sheriff Scott Israel.

I'm making plans to visit Parkland to meet with families and local officials, and to continue coordinating the federal response.
[B]In these moments of heartache and darkness, we hold on to God's word in scripture: "I have heard your prayer and seen your tears. I will heal you."[/B]
We trust in that promise, and we hold fast to our fellow Americans in their time of sorrow.
[B]I want to speak now directly to America's children, especially those who feel lost, alone, confused or even scared: I want you to know that you are never alone and you never will be. You have people who care about you, who love you, and who will do anything at all to protect you. If you need help, turn to a teacher, a family member, a local police officer, or a faith leader. Answer hate with love; answer cruelty with kindness.[/B]

[B]We must also work together to create a culture in our country that embraces the dignity of life,[/B] that creates deep and meaningful human connections and that turns classmates and colleagues into friends and neighbors.
Our administration is working closely with local authorities to investigate the shooting and learn everything we can. We are committed to working with state and local leaders to help secure our schools, and tackle the difficult issue of mental health.
Later this month, I will be meeting with the nation's governors and attorney generals, where making our schools and our children safer will be our top priority. [B]It is not enough to simply take actions that make us feel like we are making a difference. We must actually make that difference.[/B]

[B]In times of tragedy, the bonds that sustain us are those of family, faith, community, and country. These bonds are stronger than the forces of hatred and evil, and these bonds grow even stronger in the hours of our greatest need.[/B]
And so always, but especially today, let us hold our loved ones close, let us pray for healing and for peace, and let us come together as one nation to wipe away the tears and strive for a much better tomorrow.
Thank you. And God Bless you all. Thank you very much.[/QUOTE]

The bolded parts are the ones that stood out to me. I personally like that he kept away from the nitty gritty of the political debates and focused on the hurt and healing that is needed.

I hope that the politicos will get past the meaningless debates and focus on the state of mental health in this country, the isolation of much of our youth, and the negative impacts of social media throughout.

I have a 17year old daughter, an 18 year old son, and a 20 year old son, I can't imagine losing any of them from an act of pure evil. I can't imagine the grief in that community right now and for years to come. :( :( :(

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Empty bullshit.

Do something politicians or shut the fuck up. I'm voting Dem until we get a solution.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1188573]I think we all agree how tragic this was. And I am sure we disagree on the solutions :(

But the remarks from Trump, I think were the words that a President should say. His delivery often is not the best but these words should be printed, bolded, and lifted to every student, child, parent and human in the US.


The bolded parts are the ones that stood out to me. I personally like that he kept away from the nitty gritty of the political debates and focused on the hurt and healing that is needed.

I hope that the politicos will get past the meaningless debates and focus on the state of mental health in this country, the isolation of much of our youth, and the negative impacts of social media throughout
I have a 17year old daughter, an 18 year old son, and a 20 year old son, I can't imagine losing any of them from an act of pure evil. I can't imagine the grief in that community right now and for years to come. :( :( :([/quote]
Two things here one,if you think trump came up with that you are seriously demented and two, the only stat you need to know and remember is ..[B][B]18 SCHOOL SHOOTINGS since Jan first![/B][/B]work with that stat



Here is the trump I know........

[url]https://www.newyorker.com/news/daily-comment/why-wont-donald-trump-denounce-sandy-hook-deniers[/url


http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/newtown-demands-trump-denounce-amazing-alex-jones-article-1.3077764

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[QUOTE=Schneed10;1188590]Empty bullshit.

Do something politicians or shut the fuck up. I'm voting Dem until we get a solution.[/QUOTE]I believe he will. But that speech is meant to express the nation's grief to suffering families.

The answers are deeper than the first speech after the incident can propose.

I believe he and the governors will move mental health, and school security higher on their agenda. And put forward real solutions to the issues.

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[QUOTE=Giantone;1188594]Two things here one,if you think trump came up with that you are seriously demented and two, the only stat you need to know and remember is ..[B][B]18 SCHOOL SHOOTINGS since Jan first![/B][/B]work with that stat



Here is the trump I know........

[url]https://www.newyorker.com/news/daily-comment/why-wont-donald-trump-denounce-sandy-hook-deniers[/url


http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/newtown-demands-trump-denounce-amazing-alex-jones-article-1.3077764[/QUOTE]That's a talking point stat. Political garbage that is exactly what we don't need in trying to solve the problems.

As for Trump. Hate all you want but we will have a tax cut, a 2 year bipartisan budget and shortly a bipartisan immigration plan on his watch. If he really sets this as a priority, and he will, there will be a real plan to fix it coming out by june.

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Yeah I get it, but politicians have expressed grief countless times after these things. I just don't care what they have to say. I'm only interested in what they do.

I'm normally a GOP voter, but I hope they hear me when I say I will vote Dem until meaningful solutions to preventing mass casualty gun violence is enacted, especially mass casualty gun violence in school settings.

I'm a one issue voter from here on, until it gets properly dealt with. So they can flap their gums all they want, I don't care what they say. And that goes for me too, I'm not going to vent on Facebook, I'm not going to debate about in on the WP, I'm just going to vote.

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At this point, I'm so exasperated with mass casualty shootings, that I will vote for the party that wants to do SOMETHING over the party that says well that won't work because, or that won't work because, or that won't work because...

Fucking do something. They're complicit in these deaths.

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[QUOTE=Schneed10;1188597]Yeah I get it, but politicians have expressed grief countless times after these things. I just don't care what they have to say. I'm only interested in what they do.

I'm normally a GOP voter, but I hope they hear me when I say I will vote Dem until meaningful solutions to preventing mass casualty gun violence is enacted, especially mass casualty gun violence in school settings.

I'm a one issue voter from here on, until it gets properly dealt with. So they can flap their gums all they want, I don't care what they say. And that goes for me too, I'm not going to vent on Facebook, I'm not going to debate about in on the WP, I'm just going to vote.[/QUOTE]Let me ask Schneed most mass shootings happen in heavily democratic areas. Why would you boycott Republicans when they don't have as many in their localities? In my opinion the democrats fixation on a gun control solution is the biggest obstacle to solving this. The democrats refuse to look at obvious solutions like emergency action plans and including armed security. Gun control advocates block all other rational discussions.

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[QUOTE=Schneed10;1188598]At this point, I'm so exasperated with mass casualty shootings, that I will vote for the party that wants to do SOMETHING over the party that says well that won't work because, or that won't work because, or that won't work because...

Fucking do something. They're complicit in these deaths.[/QUOTE]I agree with this and I am willing to bet that Trump will bring a plan forward. I don't think it's focus will be gun control, and the liberal elites and media will berate it as they have already started doing with this tragedy.

The answer lies in finding the effective solutions. Not age old political barbs.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1188599]Let me ask Schneed most mass shootings happen in heavily democratic areas. Why would you boycott Republicans when they don't have as many in their localities? In my opinion the democrats fixation on a gun control solution is the biggest obstacle to solving this. The democrats refuse to look at obvious solutions like emergency action plans and including armed security. Gun control advocates block all other rational discussions.[/quote]

Well, first, my vote is local, isn't it? I'd be voting for my representative to US Congress, the 7th PA district. And I'd be voting for my US Senator from PA. And I'd be voting for my state reps, and my township council, etc.

I would insist on voting for those representatives who would be willing to enact policies that would be stronger than are currently on the books, because I'm not satisfied with the efforts at a local level any more than I am on a national level.

In fact I just started a post in my local school district's PTO Facebook page as to whether there are any laws on the books that would prevent our school district from hiring armed security to be stationed on our school campuses. I'd be more interested in tangible actions at the local level to specifically protect my children.

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[quote=Schneed10;1188601]Well, first, my vote is local, isn't it? I'd be voting for my representative to US Congress, the 7th PA district. And I'd be voting for my US Senator from PA. And I'd be voting for my state reps, and my township council, etc.

I would insist on voting for those representatives who would be willing to enact policies that would be stronger than are currently on the books, because I'm not satisfied with the efforts at a local level any more than I am on a national level.

In fact I just started a post in my local school district's PTO Facebook page as to whether there are any laws on the books that would prevent our school district from hiring armed security to be stationed on our school campuses. I'd be more interested in tangible actions at the local level to specifically protect my children.[/quote]

See that all makes sense to me.

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Really another shooting as it seems gun control all talk no action. Need more the latter for sure.

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The cuts in Medicaid should go a long way in providing sufficient mental health services

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The response was appropriate, definitely more presidential then the norm.

I'm indifferent to it because any gun control legislation will probably be shot down, no pun intended, and we'll forget about it until the next one. Sucks for the families that lost their kids. Hiring armed security guards for the schools would be nice, but how many underfunded public schools can afford more than 1 armed security guard? I heard a rumor that this particular school had an armed guard and the kid still managed to be effective.

Ok so the solution is armed teachers? That's fine and dandy, provided it's optional and not mandatory. But how many teachers do you know that would be able to effectively confront an active shooter most likely armed with an assault rifle (as that seems to be the weapon of choice in mass shootings)? What if the teacher shoots an innocent kid while they're trying to take down the shooter?

Budgeting for more than 1 SRO isn't gonna happen, esp. with Devos' plan to divert public school funding to more optional school choices like the one she grew up with. Arming teachers works in theory, but this assumes there are plenty of teachers who want to be armed and also have the training necessary to confront an active shooter. And forget taking mental health seriously, that costs money that we don't have.

So RIP innocent kids, thoughts and prayers to all the innocent families torn apart by this tragedy, and in a week or so everything will be back to normal until the next one (ETA 2-4 months for mass casaulties, 1-2 weeks for specific target being shot).

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Time to build walls around our schools

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[url]http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-ended-rule-block-mentally-ill-guns/story?id=53113891[/url]

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1188596]That's a talking point stat. Political garbage that is exactly what we don't need in trying to solve the problems.

As for Trump. Hate all you want but we will have a tax cut, a 2 year bipartisan budget and shortly a bipartisan immigration plan on his watch. If he really sets this as a priority, and he will, there will be a real plan to fix it coming out by june.[/quote]



That is exactly what we need ...............[B]TO TALK and to SOLVE the situation[/B]it's only political garbage as you put it to the side who doesn't want to do anything about it.


The rest of your response has nothing to do with the Mass shooting at a Florida High school,nothing.



Oh and trump thinks the other students could have done more to stop this. Putting the blame on the other high school students ,what an asshole trump is.

[url]https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-says-florida-students-done-150722680.html[/url]

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1188599]Let me ask Schneed most mass shootings happen in heavily democratic areas. Why would you boycott Republicans when they don't have as many in their localities? In my opinion the democrats fixation on a gun control solution is the biggest obstacle to solving this. The democrats refuse to look at obvious solutions like emergency action plans and including armed security. Gun control advocates block all other rational discussions.[/quote]

This is simply not true. First that assumes that democratic areas are in a void without inputs and outputs from surrounding areas. It is well documented that Chicago's plight involves an influx of guns from areas with far more liberal gun regulations. The pipeline from VA to Baltimore, Philly and NYC is equally documented. Furthermore the states with highest per capita gun violence all have republican leadership [url]https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/sosmap/firearm_mortality/firearm.htm[/url]

I also disagree that dems refuse to look at valid solutions. For example Baltimore County votes democrat yet requires all high schools to have a school resource officer that not only patrols but has an office in the school. I confess I do not have the answers I do agree that improved diagnosis and monitoring of mental illness but it is irrelevant if we continue to allow diagnosed individuals access to guns like we did with Devin Patrick Kelley. I also think that republicans are very complicit in not establishing dialogue by completely dismissing the idea of gun control, tougher regulations like closing the boyfriend loophole, which also would've been applicable in Kelley's situation.

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[QUOTE=Schneed10;1188590]Empty bullshit.



Do something politicians or shut the fuck up. I'm voting Dem until we get a solution.[/QUOTE]


Tired of it too. Someone shoots up a school, innocent people die, thoughts and prayers, rinse and repeat. No change, no action, just hollow words. See you next time.

Do something already for fucks sake.

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I think everyone agrees politicians in both parties are complicit.

There just needs to be real dialogue instead of platitudes and blame from both sides. I just don't know how we get the politicians to do that.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1188649]I think everyone agrees politicians in both parties are complicit.

There just needs to be real dialogue instead of platitudes and blame from both sides. I just don't know how we get the politicians to do that.[/quote]

Where is Chico? I like this guy and yes he is on FOX! He calls it like it should be.

[url]https://www.yahoo.com/news/shepard-smith-fed-florida-shooting-014240687.html[/url]

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Good article here by that conservative rag The Washington Post on why 18 school shootings in 2018 is a false number. I like the point it makes about weakening the pro-gun control argument by inflating the number of shootings to anytime a gun goes off on school property.

[url=http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/breakingnews/no-there-haven%e2%80%99t-been-18-school-shootings-in-2018-that-number-is-flat-wrong/ar-BBJbqgy?li=BBnb4R7&ocid=ientp]No, there haven’t been 18 school shootings in 2018. That number is flat wrong.[/url]

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[quote=mooby;1188663]Good article here by that conservative rag The Washington Post on why 18 school shootings in 2018 is a false number. I like the point it makes about weakening the pro-gun control argument by inflating the number of shootings to anytime a gun goes off on school property.

[url=http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/breakingnews/no-there-haven%e2%80%99t-been-18-school-shootings-in-2018-that-number-is-flat-wrong/ar-BBJbqgy?li=BBnb4R7&ocid=ientp]No, there haven’t been 18 school shootings in 2018. That number is flat wrong.[/url][/quote]

Did you read the artical,you want to argue semantics? A person shot at a sorority not a school shooting" BS ",someone shooting a gun off in a parking lot after a basket ball game"not a school shooting" BS.Please? [B][B]ANY TIME A GUN GOES OFF ON SCHOOL PROPERTY OR GROUNDS,YES, IT IS A SCHOOL SHOOTING.[/B][/B]No it should not only matter when someone is injured or killed.

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[quote=Giantone;1188664]Did you read the artical,you want to argue semantics? A person shot at a sorority not a school shooting" BS ",someone shooting a gun off in a parking lot after a basket ball game"not a school shooting" BS.Please? [B][B]ANY TIME A GUN GOES OFF ON SCHOOL PROPERTY OR GROUNDS,YES, IT IS A SCHOOL SHOOTING.[/B][/B]No it should not only matter when someone is injured or killed.[/quote]

So if a gun goes off at 2 am in a school parking lot when nobody's there and nobody gets hurt, that should be counted as having the same impact as a kid bringing in an AR-15 and killing 17+ kids?

Also no I do not believe shooting someone at a sorority house has the same impact as bringing a gun into school during school hours when kids are present. If you want to count it that's fine, go ahead. But people think of school shootings as ones where kids bring guns to school during school hours to hurt somebody, even with 1000+ witnesses present. It's not the same as a gun going off in a parking lot with nobody there.

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We all bitch about politicians getting nothing done, but this thread is filled with the same talking point mumbo jumbo.

Instead of talking past each other, is it possible to say your top 3 concepts to reduce what is clearly at epidemic levels?

mine are

mandatory mental health screenings as part of selective service enrollment. This would be hugely controversial, and I don't know if my thought is true, but I am willing to bet that the majority of these type shooters are young males between 16 and 22

2nd, excluding active military, raise the age for gun ownership and purchase to 21.

3rd, every school district should be required to have a written prevention plan available to parents and students. If a district believes gun free zones are the best prevention then that is part of their plan, If a district believes that prevention is best accomplished by 2 armed guards plus concealed carry for teachers, then that is part of their plan. Regardless each school district should be required to post it, and have community approval.

That would be my first 3 steps. anyone else?

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I’d definitely start by expanding Medicaid and Medicare but too late now. I’m also confused about the reasoning behind revoking HJ Res 40.

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How about improved background checks for assault rifle buyers between the ages of 21-30. I agree gun ownership should be raised to 21 unless you have parental consent (i.e. a parent with you at the sale). And Trump could also reinstate the Obama law he got rid of last year that basically said 75k individuals with mental illnesses that required special assistance would be restricted from buying guns (i.e. they'd be on a list, and could buy a gun but they'd need a waiver first).

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How about parents taking the most initiative here and knowing what the hell is going on with your kid?? These parents who can't believe that their child did this simply are horrible parents and didn't give a sh!t about their child. Nowadays every parent should have access to their kids social media pages, internet usage and phones and monitor them regularly. And why does your high school kid have access to a AR-15 in the first place! Parents if you have guns, lock them up in a safe. Parents HAVE to be the first step in trying to prevent these type of events!

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[quote=mooby;1188676]So if a gun goes off at 2 am in a school parking lot when nobody's there and nobody gets hurt, that should be counted as having the same impact as a kid bringing in an AR-15 and killing 17+ kids?

Also no I do not believe shooting someone at a sorority house has the same impact as bringing a gun into school during school hours when kids are present. If you want to count it that's fine, go ahead. But people think of school shootings as ones where kids bring guns to school during school hours to hurt somebody, even with 1000+ witnesses present. It's not the same as a gun going off in a parking lot with nobody there.[/quote]

Yet it's still a gun ,at a school,people need to change the way they look at it then.Yes it's the same ..........the students and teachers were just lucky they weren't there.

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Nothing is going to change because guns are seen as a god given right. People care more about themselves than others. And guns as a solution is too grained into too many people.

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[quote=Redskins247;1188692]How about parents taking the most initiative here and knowing what the hell is going on with your kid?? These parents who can't believe that their child did this simply are horrible parents and didn't give a sh!t about their child. Nowadays every parent should have access to their kids social media pages, internet usage and phones and monitor them regularly. And why does your high school kid have access to a AR-15 in the first place! Parents if you have guns, lock them up in a safe. Parents HAVE to be the first step in trying to prevent these type of events![/quote]
You are right but it's all so part of the problem ....the parents.Many pro gun parents do have their children trained to handle guns and don't believe it can happen to them.Their kids are members of the NRA and such ,they have taken class's and such,it's why and how kids like this have the ways and means to have multiple guns.

This kid in FL bragged about his gun ownership,the kid from New-town was taught to handle guns by his own Mom and the kids from Columbine were jr NRA memebers. I am NOT BLAMING the NRA just pointing out that they been educated on and about guns. I live in the country of Maryland and when my kids went to high school(15 -20 years ago) they said it was not unusual for friends of theirs who would hunt with family and come straight to school after hunting at 3/4 am in the morning with their guns in their trucks ,some would bring the deer so they could give it to a teacher. It's a mind set.

Now they want to arm the teachers,what if a teacher doesn't want to carry a gun?

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[quote=Giantone;1188701]You are right but it's all so part of the problem ....the parents.Many pro gun parents do have their children trained to handle guns and don't believe it can happen to them.Their kids are members of the NRA and such ,they have taken class's and such,it's why and how kids like this have the ways and means to have multiple guns.

This kid in FL bragged about his gun ownership,the kid from New-town was taught to handle guns by his own Mom and the kids from Columbine were jr NRA memebers. I am NOT BLAMING the NRA just pointing out that they been educated on and about guns. I live in the country of Maryland and when my kids went to high school(15 -20 years ago) [B]they said it was not unusual for friends of theirs who would hunt with family and come straight to school after hunting at 3/4 am in the morning with their guns in their trucks [/B],some would bring the deer so they could give it to a teacher. It's a mind set.

Now they want to arm the teachers,what if a teacher doesn't want to carry a gun?[/quote]

I grew up like this too...me and a lot of friends had a gun in our teens and you never heard of this sort of thing happening anywhere. There is a big difference between a teen having his own rifle to deer hunt with in hunting season and probably with a parent most of the time while doing so, and one that is able to grab any gun in the house and ammunition at any given time and stroll out the house with it. Just makes me wonder what has really changed over the years that is making these teens do things like this? Because there has always been angry, rebellious teenagers throughout the years....but nothing like this.

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[QUOTE=Redskins247;1188704]I grew up like this too...me and a lot of friends had a gun in our teens and you never heard of this sort of thing happening anywhere. There is a big difference between a teen having his own rifle to deer hunt with in hunting season and probably with a parent most of the time while doing so, and one that is able to grab any gun in the house and ammunition at any given time and stroll out the house with it. Just makes me wonder what has really changed over the years that is making these teens do things like this? Because there has always been angry, rebellious teenagers throughout the years....but nothing like this.[/QUOTE]Guns were never put forth as a way to deal with other humans all the time.

When I was young body building and learning to fight or self defense was put forth as solutions to dealing with bullies or attackers.

Alarm systems and dogs as a way to protect your home.

Now it is guns are the solution to these things and once you accept lethal force as a means to deal with other humans in certain situations than the you see it as an answer to more problems.

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Arming the teachers doesn't make sense to me. Placing armed security officers or police in schools does.

Teachers are trained to teach, security and police are trained to secure.

Today I've been successful in getting the matter of security in our school district on the agenda for the next school board meeting. After doing rough math, I've estimated that it would cost our school district $400K annually to place one armed security guard at each elementary school, and two at the middle school and two at the high school. That would cover their salaries for 180 days of 8-hour workdays.

That $400K works out to $25.61 in annual costs per household for our township.

After spending the better part of today organizing a lot of parental interest, I can't wait to be confronted with the question of cost. Show of hands, who thinks $25 per household is too expensive to safeguard our children? $30? $35?

Stop me when it gets too expensive to keep our children safe.

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1. I would love to see a plan in place similar to Australia in particular in regards to stricter requirements for registration of firearms and storage of firearms. They have even done stronger restrictions on automatic and semi automatic by decreasing available caliber along with a mandatory buy back. I would like that but am not naive enough to think that is plausible. Interestingly enough gun ownership and the number of guns have not declined in Australia despite the tough regulations.
2. I would also like to see better enforcement of current laws and closing of loopholes like the boyfriend loophole and the gun show loophole. We have legislation in place how about we enforce it and make it work.

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[quote=Redskins247;1188692]How about parents taking the most initiative here and knowing what the hell is going on with your kid?? These parents who can't believe that their child did this simply are horrible parents and didn't give a sh!t about their child. Nowadays every parent should have access to their kids social media pages, internet usage and phones and monitor them regularly. And why does your high school kid have access to a AR-15 in the first place! Parents if you have guns, lock them up in a safe. Parents HAVE to be the first step in trying to prevent these type of events![/quote]

blaming parents? calling them bad parents when the kids act out? let me ask you something. do you think every inmate at every prison had bad parents? do you think that every adult that cheats on his/ her wife had bad parents? the guy that cant keep a job ? the woman that has different kids, to different fathers? being a parent involves showing your children right from wrong. to nuturing them when they are down. protecting them from unsafe situations, and suspicious people. picking them up when they fall down. but every child gets to a point in their life when they will make all of their own decisions. you can only hope they do what you have taught/ shown them. but there are no guarantees.

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So that good guy with a gun BS should be out the window right? The security guard at the school did nothing.

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[QUOTE=MTK;1189028]So that good guy with a gun BS should be out the window right? The security guard at the school did nothing.[/QUOTE]Just more BS propaganda to sell guns.

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[quote=MTK;1189028]So that good guy with a gun BS should be out the window right? The security guard at the school did nothing.[/quote]

It continues to show that shootings are tragedies not talking points. Neither political side will ever learn that.

The security guard should be ashamed, and I am sure he is. He was there to save those kids lives and didn't. That doesn't mean that the whole concept of security guards should be thrown out.

But I am all for making Capitol Hill a gun free zone, if that is what politicians think keep our kids safest it should be good for them too. After all DC has great gun laws, so they should be perfectly safe.

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[QUOTE=Redskins247;1188692]How about parents taking the most initiative here and knowing what the hell is going on with your kid?? These parents who can't believe that their child did this simply are horrible parents and didn't give a sh!t about their child. Nowadays every parent should have access to their kids social media pages, internet usage and phones and monitor them regularly. And why does your high school kid have access to a AR-15 in the first place! Parents if you have guns, lock them up in a safe. Parents HAVE to be the first step in trying to prevent these type of events![/QUOTE]Unfortunately some of the worse parents are the ones with guns. They are the ones after a mass shooting are more worried about their guns then they are about the innocent people killed. Most people do honestly self evaluate themselves or their kids.

One of the most annoying things for me is seeing one of my douche bag cousins who post pictures of her with her guns or bows lecturing on Facebook the problem is parents knowing she isn't raising any of her kids.

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