Bobby Taylor at Safety
 

what do you guys think about using him at safety. i know that he will only get offered the league min. i think we could use him at one of the safety positions to pair with st. i know that we can't get everybody but we can't just let the cowboys rack up. i think he would be a better acquisition than mcquarters by far if he is healthy.

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I personally think saftey is one of our deeper positions; and I'd rather let one of our younger guys like Lott or Clark go. They both played very well last year; and I think they could fill in the saftey position if needed. Ultimatley, I think Matt Bowen will still be the starter.

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i agree with gmanc

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yeah so do i. there's no need to upgrade at a position we have plenty of depth at. our defense is set right now, if we needed to upgrade anywhere on there, it would be d-line.

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Not only that, you can't just pick up players because Dallas wants them too.

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im not saying we should get players that dallas wants. im saying they are getting better and we staying put we have to make some key acquisitons not just names. i believe that bobby is an excellent pickup at safety over clark,lott and bowen. i do think that bowen might be release. you guys can not tell me that bowen is better than bobby, please. you all really need to learn the game of football before you be so negative. some players are just made better for the position than what we have.

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Staying put at #3 works for me especially when you consider the return of Arrington and Daniels to the line-up.

And to address the Bowen/Taylor question, I don't think that Bowen is better, I think that Clark will fill in perfectly. I, and I don't believe anyone else said Bowen is better so I wouldn't go criticizing everyone just yet. ;)

I think that Taylor would also be an economics question, especially with us looking to maybe glean a few FAs from the cuts.

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Maybe a d-lineman that fits our system will pop out. No one ever expected us to have the run defense that had last year. Projected worst in the league, finished first!

Lets hope our wide receivers follow suit this year!!!!

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everytime i try to look out for my team for some talent everyone just down plays them. all im saying is that taylor probably won't demand the high money and he can still play this game at a high level but not corner. we need to follow teams liike new england and get smart, talented veterans who wants to play for the team not themselves. he has been one of the good guys in this league who has never gotten into any trouble. i really like this dude's game.

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and by the way bowen sucks in pass coverage and we know that gw wants safeties who has played corner in their careers.

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No doubt about that. He is was/is one of the best in the league. I wouldn't have a problem signing him if it weren't for economical reasons and for the "havin' cake and eatin' it too" reason; meaning that we couldn't possibly sign him AND still have room for positions of need.

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[QUOTE=Sean"Big Hurt"Taylor]everytime i try to look out for my team for some talent everyone just down plays them. all im saying is that taylor probably won't demand the high money and he can still play this game at a high level but not corner. we need to follow teams liike new england and get smart, talented veterans who wants to play for the team not themselves. he has been one of the good guys in this league who has never gotten into any trouble. i really like this dude's game.[/QUOTE]

I think that he is a good target. If Williams thinks that we need him, I'm sure that he will go after him. One thing that I have figured out over the past year is that both Gibbs and Williams both believe thier own system should work first, then they find players that fit it. They don't need the best players, just the right ones.

I think that Williams is looking for speed and blitzing ability in a saftey, a monster on the d-line, and a pure pass rushing end. We have those positions filled adequately, so we can be patient and have the money ready when we find one of the three.

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Well put GoSkins!

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if williams is interested, then ok.but i haven't heard anything anywhere to suggest that the man is interested. n d end or tackle upgrade would be sweet. but the cap is an issue. i think they are really looking but the main question is economic's. i just hope taylor dosen't do a hold out.

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Bowen IS better than Bobby. This is a guy who is way past his prime, who was released one year into his deal after not performing, and who plays a position that we have a raft of talent at already. The old Skins would have signed him but the new fiscally responsible Gibbs led Redskins will not.

In spite of all the criticisms on this board of Snyder's profligate spending habits - legitimate to be sure - its pretty ironic that everytime some washed up bum gets released you can count on at least someone on this site to go off on why we should sign them.

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[QUOTE=djnemo65]Bowen IS better than Bobby. This is a guy who is way past his prime, who was released one year into his deal after not performing, and who plays a position that we have a raft of talent at already. The old Skins would have signed him but the new fiscally responsible Gibbs led Redskins will not.

In spite of all the criticisms on this board of Snyder's profligate spending habits - legitimate to be sure - its pretty ironic that everytime some washed up bum gets released you can count on at least someone on this site going off on why we should sign them.[QUOTE]

sorry, was trying to edit something and must have hit quote instead...

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I like how we are starting to lay down a price and let people pick where they want to be.

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I'm tired of people dinging Bowen. There are reasons that GW puts in a 3rd corner a lot of the time and one of them is so that a safety can play close to the line or blitz if needed. Bowen is one of the most hard-nosed players on our team. You need to remember that GW is a Buddy Ryan acolyte. Buddy Ryan disdained worrying about fancy coverages and instead used fairly simple coverages and innovative blitzes to get to QBs and make them throw into those simple coverages. GW is of course more advanced than that (as are most league D corrdinators nowadays), but he has that same mentality and I'd have to say that he probably really likes Bowen's toughness and wants him on the field unless it's an obvious passing situation and he's not blitzing Bowen. Just remember that especially with Arrington and Bowen back, you don't have to worry much about deep pass coverage if the QB is on his ass or falling backwards. I simply prefer to have a defense chock full of guys who will knock you the f*ck out. Just imagine if Barrow comes back at full speed and Rodgers picks up on the mentality of GW. EVERYONE at LB and DB would basically be a headhunter.

As far as BobbyT, I think he'd be nice to have at nickel in case someone gets hurt.

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[QUOTE=jacobyfan]I'm tired of people dinging Bowen. There are reasons that GW puts in a 3rd corner a lot of the time and one of them is so that a safety can play close to the line or blitz if needed. Bowen is one of the most hard-nosed players on our team. You need to remember that GW is a Buddy Ryan acolyte. Buddy Ryan disdained worrying about fancy coverages and instead used fairly simple coverages and innovative blitzes to get to QBs and make them throw into those simple coverages. GW is of course more advanced than that (as are most league D corrdinators nowadays), but he has that same mentality and I'd have to say that he probably really likes Bowen's toughness and wants him on the field unless it's an obvious passing situation and he's not blitzing Bowen. Just remember that especially with Arrington and Bowen back, you don't have to worry much about deep pass coverage if the QB is on his ass or falling backwards. I simply prefer to have a defense chock full of guys who will knock you the f*ck out. Just imagine if Barrow comes back at full speed and Rodgers picks up on the mentality of GW. EVERYONE at LB and DB would basically be a headhunter.

As far as BobbyT, I think he'd be nice to have at nickel in case someone gets hurt.[/QUOTE]

I agree completley about Bowen. I'm a huge Bowen fan, and he has blown a few plays and is not amazing in coverage. However, he is a hard nosed type guy, and I was really excited to see what he would do last season after he started out strong. Its ashame he got hurt. I expect some good things from him this season.

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I'm glad someone else will speak up that Bowen isn't that bad. Also remember Bowen's last full year we had George Edwards coaching the defense and EVERYONE got burned MOST of the time. He's not stellar in pass coverage, agreed. However, I think that with GW pulling the strings, he can be better than a lot of you seem to think. To sum it up, the LBs and CBs (if healthy)

Washington - will knock you the f*ck out
Barrow - will knock you the f*ck out
Arrington - might kill you
Springs - will knock you the f*ck out
Bowen - will knock you the f*ck out
Taylor - might kill you
Rodgers - ? (will probably at least make a tackle, he did at Auburn)

It's hard not to like that. Most other fans only dream that their defense would be as hard-nosed and aggressive as ours is. If the offense can simply get off the ground, (read: rank 20th or so) we are a very scary opponent.

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It's getting to be old hat; everytime a player is released from some other team around the league someone immediately tries to fit him in with our team. Yesterday it was Glover & Ellis of the Cowboys (of all teams) tomorrow it will be someone else, and before training camp starts there's no telling how many more. At the rate we're going we will be talking about every player with a name that is cut around the league. Enough is enough already, every player cut around the league is not going to be a Redskin, that's the old mentality we're trying to rid ourselves of.

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[QUOTE=Longtimefan]It's getting to be old hat; everytime a player is released from some other team around the league someone immediately tries to fit him in with our team. Yesterday it was Glover & Ellis of the Cowboys (of all teams) tomorrow it will be someone else, and before training camp starts there's no telling how many more. At the rate we're going we will be talking about every player with a name that is cut around the league. Enough is enough already, every player cut around the league is not going to be a Redskin, that's the old mentality we're trying to rid ourselves of.[/QUOTE]

I agree it can get old, but at the same time there are definitely players worth talking about. And since it's the offseason, there's not much else to talk about.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]I agree it can get old, but at the same time there are definitely players worth talking about. And since it's the offseason, there's not much else to talk about.[/QUOTE]

Was about to say the same exact thing. We have to talk about SOMETHING!

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[QUOTE=Sean"Big Hurt"Taylor] i think we could use him at one of the safety positions to pair with st. [/QUOTE]

At the rate things are going now with STs ATVgate thing in Florida, we may be signing Bobby Taylor to replace him, not just pair up with him.

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I wouldn't be for signing him. Taylor would likely be a distraction, but even if Taylor committed the crime (which we don't know yet), he won't see jail time until at least mid-way through the season.