Guice Theory
 

So, Howie R (Eagles GM) has come out and said NOTHING happened while Guice visited the Eagles, LSU said there were no problems with him, and I’m hearing more and more that his character concerns are mostly fake news.

What’s the chances Bruce pushed out some fake leaks in the guy to scare people away to help our chances of getting him. Especially in round 2 when they KNEW they needed a RB and still traded back when he was there at their pick.


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Nothing happened at the visit in Philly, but it sounds like something happened at the combine meeting

[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/04/28/source-altercation-between-eagles-guice-happened-at-scouting-combine/]Source: Altercation between Eagles, Guice happened at Scouting Combine – ProFootballTalk[/url]

Simply too much smoke for there to be nothing at all to the story

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I'm glad whatever happened did happen, because it's not a criminal issue and seems like no big deal.

We traded down and got Guice and an athletic swing tackle that will possibly be our starting LT by his contract year. That trade worked out perfectly.

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Who cares? Guice was a fuckin steal...to come away with him and Payne 1 and 2...fuck.

GUIce is gonna make philly lick his nuts

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[QUOTE=5superbowls3wins;1193867]So, Howie R (Eagles GM) has come out and said NOTHING happened while Guice visited the Eagles, LSU said there were no problems with him, and I’m hearing more and more that his character concerns are mostly fake news.

What’s the chances Bruce pushed out some fake leaks in the guy to scare people away to help our chances of getting him. Especially in round 2 when they KNEW they needed a RB and still traded back when he was there at their pick.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk[/QUOTE]If the Skins were to do that and it got out there would be backlash from Guice AND the league.

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I have a Guice theory too.

My theory is he rushes for 1200+ this year.

We got Juice and a future starting LT for the price of getting Juice.

If we have average health, we're scoring a lot of points.

Doctson will be a pro bowl caliber WR. Book it.

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[quote=MTK;1193868]Nothing happened at the visit in Philly, but it sounds like something happened at the combine meeting

[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/04/28/source-altercation-between-eagles-guice-happened-at-scouting-combine/]Source: Altercation between Eagles, Guice happened at Scouting Combine – ProFootballTalk[/url]

Simply too much smoke for there to be nothing at all to the story[/quote]

I agree. Also, it's pretty telling that EVERY single team passed on him. These guys do their homework so something had to be there and not just fake news. It was worth the gamble for where we picked him and his talent level.

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He's the best back we have had since Portis, he can play all 3 downs if needed but I know CT is our 3rd down back.. Charley Casserly said he had him rated in the top 20 overall players before the combine incident. This is huge for us. Goodbye Fat Rob.

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Imagine pounding the D with Guice and Perine comes in to clean up... we're going to beat up defenses

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[quote=NC_Skins;1193893]I agree. Also, it's pretty telling that EVERY single team passed on him. These guys do their homework so something had to be there and not just fake news. It was worth the gamble for where we picked him and his talent level.[/quote]

I don't care what the NFL investigation says I think someone probably did ask him something inappropriate to test him, and he lost his shit.

As long as the Skins did their due diligence on him, which it sounds like they did, I'm good with the pick especially where they got him. A 1st round talent for a late 2nd round pick, and he already hates the Eagles? Outstanding.

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Does this mean the Rob Kelly era is over??

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[quote=MTK;1193908]Imagine pounding the D with Guice and Perine comes in to clean up... we're going to beat up defenses[/quote]

Could be a nasty combo for a few years to come

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[quote=skinsfan69;1193912]Does this mean the Rob Kelly era is over??[/quote]

Kelly is insurance right now. If all 3 guys make it through camp healthy in front of him...and he's expendable, believe it or not he could be moved for like a conditional pick. Kelly has some decent value for us. Young, has been productive, RB...

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I am hoping that whatever caused the smoke was blown all out of proportion. According to the stories I read, Guice had some temperament/reliability issues and may have lied to one team. He's clearly got "young and dumb" syndrome. I will judge accordingly. At the same time, the reports out of LSU on him seem to be that he is a good teammate, etc.

Given that some folks were talking about him as a first rounder based simply on talent, I am also hoping that he comes in with a Clinton Portis, Thurman Thomas type chip on his shoulder and tears it up.

His film looks good (but of course, all I ever see is the good stuff from highlight reels). The clip above showed him exploiting big holes that just won't be there at the next level. However, even with the giant lanes, he took decisive cuts and there was a real suddenness to them. Assuming he can make the transition, he has the size and speed to excel at this level. Hopefully he does and is not a head case.

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[quote=MTK;1193911]I don't care what the NFL investigation says I think someone probably did ask him something inappropriate to test him, and he lost his shit.

As long as the Skins did their due diligence on him, which it sounds like they did, I'm good with the pick especially where they got him. [B]A 1st round talent for a late 2nd round pick, and he already hates the Eagles? Outstanding.[/B][/quote]

This.

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[quote=MTK;1193911]I don't care what the NFL investigation says I think someone probably did ask him something inappropriate to test him, and he lost his shit.

As long as the Skins did their due diligence on him, which it sounds like they did, I'm good with the pick especially where they got him. A 1st round talent for a late 2nd round pick, and he already hates the Eagles? Outstanding.[/quote]

this. I could careless...the media has gotten worse and worse about joining in efforts to slander these guys.


I heard this morning driving in...the Skins did extensive background and apparently his agent/agency is top notch guy. They said he doesn't drink or smoke...but plays a lot of video games. And some took this a slight...too much video games? Ill take this guy all day over someone like me at that age where drugs, drinks, every night was a late night, women basically ruled my life.

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It's time for the Redskins to get back to old school Run first and pound the clock offense. It was nice having a QB throw for 4000 yards but it didn't create many Wins. I hope this will change that up asap

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Here are a few 2nd round RB's chosen in the last 10 years just for a comparison sake.

Matt Forte
Shady Mccoy
Carlos Hyde
Jeremy Hill
Derrick Henry
Joe Mixon
Shane Vereen
Leveon Bell

All of these guys listed here have made a good to major impact on their teams, Bell is arguably the best back in the league. Every one of these guys besides Vereen are better than what we have had since CP left. Guice was a better prospect coming out than the majority of this list. I'd say teams that past on him will regret it big time.

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I'm excited for this guy! When I saw that he was still on the board a couple picks away from the 'skins 2nd round pick, I started getting excited. Couldn't believe we not only traded down to pick up a third, but we wound up getting our running back after all. It was an amazing draft in my opinion.

I believe it's going to be Guice, Perine, and Thompson. Guice on first and second down, Perine to come in a spell Guice for a few plays, Thompson strictly on third down, but now you can mix in some double back sets and really have the defense worried about who's getting the ball, Guice or Thompson?

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1193881]
[B]Doctson will be a pro bowl caliber WR. Book it.[/B][/quote]

:lol:

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1193960]:lol:[/quote]

Yeah I still want Dez, I don't buy Doc staying healthy

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Guice is a solid dude if the numbers are right. 5-11, 224 lbs is what I am seeing. Add that to sub-4.4 speed and a decisive, angry running style, and DG could really be special at this level.

It's going to be tough for LB's to get low on him and, with his weight, if he can make it to the second level, he is going to be tough to bring down once he has a little momentum behind him.

I've watched a couple more videos of his highlights and I really like the way he runs. Around the line of scrimmage, he doesn't dance around. He starts moving forward almost immediately, and, once he starts doing so, he doesn't go backwards. Sure, some of the holes are large, but I specifically looked for some where he wasn't breaking long runs. In those, he followed the play design found the best seam (quickly!), stuck his head down, and plowed forward. This looks to me like a RB who can have success at this level.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1193968]Guice is a solid dude if the numbers are right. 5-11, 224 lbs is what I am seeing. Add that to sub-4.4 speed and a decisive, angry running style, and DG could really be special at this level.

It's going to be tough for LB's to get low on him and, with his weight, if he can make it to the second level, he is going to be tough to bring down once he has a little momentum behind him.

I've watched a couple more videos of his highlights and I really like the way he runs. Around the line of scrimmage, he doesn't dance around. He starts moving forward almost immediately, and, once he starts doing so, he doesn't go backwards. Sure, some of the holes are large, but I specifically looked for some where he wasn't breaking long runs. In those, he followed the play design found the best seam (quickly!), stuck his head down, and plowed forward. This looks to me like a RB who can have success at this level.[/quote]

He has a CP look to him the way he runs, they compare really well on tape anyway

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[quote=MTK;1193911]I don't care what the NFL investigation says I think someone probably did ask him something inappropriate to test him, and he lost his shit.

As long as the Skins did their due diligence on him, which it sounds like they did, I'm good with the pick especially where they got him. A 1st round talent for a late 2nd round pick, and he already hates the Eagles? Outstanding.[/quote]

I agree. I have 0 faith in any NFL investigation. No doubt somebody asked him something very inappropriate that probably caused him to flip.




Just watch this about his life and background. Amazing story and journey for this kid. Surprised he made it as far as he did.


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I heard on Kevin and Cooley that apparently we were set to take Kerryon Johnson but once he came off the board that’s when we traded back

Interesting

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[quote=MTK;1193992]I heard on Kevin and Cooley that apparently we were set to take Kerryon Johnson but once he came off the board that’s when we traded back

Interesting[/quote]

Eh, IDK about all that. Johnson is solid tho but he's not Guice

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Thank God we didn't end up with Johnson

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;1193994]Thank God we didn't end up with Johnson[/quote]

I didn't see him enough in college...what didn't you like?

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;1193994]Thank God we didn't end up with Johnson[/quote]

He's not a bad back but I feel like he could have been a reach in the 2nd.. He doesn't have that "wow" factor like Guice does.

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@AdamSchefter

Lions keep picking players before other teams can. Detroit drafted Auburn RB Kerryon Johnson at No. 43 with Washington preparing to take him at No. 44. Then Detroit drafted UL Laf CB Tracy Walker at No. 82 before Carolina could get him at No. 85. Always stories behind each pick.

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So, I just did a quick look at Johnson. Whew! So much happier with Guice!

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zx54PFMOgcs[/url]

Sure, Guice highlights have him running through big holes, but there are also quite a few where he runs plunges forward for yards when the play calls for it. Johnson, on the other hand, when the LOS is clogged, comes to a complete stop at the LOS in order to dance left or right before resuming forward movement.

All of Johnson's highlights have him making big runs untouched or dancing in the backfield. Guice just moves forward.

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Johnson has some Leveon Bell to him IMO the way he stops and starts

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I don't like Guice as much as many here, but holy man do I like him better at 59 than Johnson at 44. Johnson was the most overrated back in the draft to me. Always hurt.

Thanks Detroit.

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[quote=simbosargos75;1194003]I don't like Guice as much as many here, but holy man do I like him better at 59 than Johnson at 44. Johnson was the most overrated back in the draft to me. Always hurt.

Thanks Detroit.[/quote]

For the 59 pick? How do u not like him there?

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Redskins senior VP of player personnel Doug Williams said he is not worried about second-round RB Derrius Guice.

Williams seemed to shoot down rumors of off-field concerns. "For this kid, who doesn’t drink, doesn’t smoke, hasn’t been arrested, no failed drug tests," Williams said. "He’s a happy-go-lucky kid." Williams also said he grew up in the same area as Guice, so he understands what it took for him to get where he is today. It is looking like Washington got a steal late in the second round.


Source: SiriusXM NFL Radio

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[quote=simbosargos75;1194003]I don't like Guice as much as many here, but holy man do I like him better at 59 than Johnson at 44. Johnson was the most overrated back in the draft to me. Always hurt.

Thanks Detroit.[/quote]

You've got to figure it's Guice plus a 3rd round pick, where Detroit took Johnson minus a 4th round pick

I like ours better.

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[quote=MTK;1194002]Johnson has some Leveon Bell to him IMO the way he stops and starts[/quote]

So, I watched a couple of Bell's college highlight reels. To me, at the college level he ran a lot more like DG then KJ. Explosive out of his cuts, even when made cuts behind the LOS, he would plant and explode forward. He never seemed to stop his forward momentum. Guice ran the same way. In his highlights, KJ literally comes to a stop in the backfield losing all his forward momentum and, when he starts forward again, it is without explosion.


Look, it's one or two sets of highlight reels. I could be dead wrong, but DG looks like a back who - if he has decent vision - will be great at this level. KJ, to me anyway, not so much.

Time will tell, hopefully, however, DG is the real deal regardless of KJ's success level.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1194004]For the 59 pick? How do u not like him there?[/quote]

I don't like him as much in general. I don't mind him at 59. I wanted to puke when there were discussions on this board about him at 13.

I believe he is the better of the two backs.