NYJ expected to fire Todd Bowles...do the Redskins fire Manusky and bring Bowles back to Washington?
 

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Re: NYJ expected to fire Todd Bowels...do the Redskins fire Manusky and bring Bowels back to Washington?
 

I'd take him as DC or in any other coaching capacity, including HC.

Bowles, c'mon down! Welcome home.

Re: NYJ expected to fire Todd Bowels...do the Redskins fire Manusky and bring Bowels back to Washington?
 

As soon as he's fired the Redskins should offer him the DC position, love Bowles!! Great DC.

Re: NYJ expected to fire Todd Bowels...do the Redskins fire Manusky and bring Bowels back to Washington?
 

What’s been the problem with defensive coordinators and the redskins?

Bruce Allen was voted least trustworthy executive in the NFL. [url]https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/04/19/poll-of-agents-has-bruce-allen-as-least-trusted-executive/[/url]

Quality defense coordinators do not want to put up with a garbage front office. Hopefully that will change. Before we do anything, fire Bruce Allen

Re: NYJ expected to fire Todd Bowels...do the Redskins fire Manusky and bring Bowels back to Washington?
 

That is amazing news. Todd Bowles would be a great addition. I hope it happens.
I hope Snyder can make the right moves. It is critical that he moves quickly and decisively.
A new GM that is really qualified is key as well. Allen must go today or tomorrow.
Please......

Re: NYJ expected to fire Todd Bowels...do the Redskins fire Manusky and bring Bowels back to Washington?
 

Please spell check the thread title. "Todd Bow[B]le[/B]s" is the name of a football coach whereas "Todd Bow[B]el[/B]s" could be the name of an intestinal disease.

Re: NYJ expected to fire Todd Bowels...do the Redskins fire Manusky and bring Bowels back to Washington?
 

[quote=KI Skins Fan;1215151]Please spell check the thread title. "Todd Bow[B]le[/B]s" is the name of a football coach whereas "Todd Bow[B]el[/B]s" could be the name of an intestinal disease.[/quote]

You beat me to it.

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[QUOTE=KI Skins Fan;1215151]Please spell check the thread title. "Todd Bow[B]le[/B]s" is the name of a football coach whereas "Todd Bow[B]el[/B]s" could be the name of an intestinal disease.[/QUOTE]



If he’s hired get ready to see his name botched on the regular


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Re: NYJ expected to fire Todd Bowles...do the Redskins fire Manusky and bring Bowles back to Washington?
 

Idk much about Todd Bolwes but he certainly would be better than Mansuky.

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Don’t know much about Todd Bowls.....in Washington area? Really?
He was starting free safety for us during our Super Bowl 22 demolishing of the Broncos 42-10.
Come on man!

Re: NYJ expected to fire Todd Bowles...do the Redskins fire Manusky and bring Bowles back to Washington?
 

[quote=Defensewins;1215197]Don’t know much about Todd Bowls.....in Washington area? Really?
He was starting free safety for us during our Super Bowl 22 demolishing of the Broncos 42-10.
Come on man![/quote]

He’s learned from 3 of the greatest coaches in NFL history, Gibbs, Parcells and Walsh.

Re: NYJ expected to fire Todd Bowles...do the Redskins fire Manusky and bring Bowles back to Washington?
 

[quote=Defensewins;1215197]Don’t know much about Todd Bowls.....in Washington area? Really?
He was starting free safety for us during our Super Bowl 22 demolishing of the Broncos 42-10.
Come on man![/quote]

I was born 5 months after Todd Bowes helped the Skins win SB22, so yeah, that's my excuse and I'm sticking to it.

Re: NYJ expected to fire Todd Bowles...do the Redskins fire Manusky and bring Bowles back to Washington?
 

I would welcome him in a heartbeat

Re: NYJ expected to fire Todd Bowles...do the Redskins fire Manusky and bring Bowles back to Washington?
 

You guys are assuming TB would even consider coming to this circus

Re: NYJ expected to fire Todd Bowles...do the Redskins fire Manusky and bring Bowles back to Washington?
 

what about marvin lewis as DC?

Re: NYJ expected to fire Todd Bowles...do the Redskins fire Manusky and bring Bowles back to Washington?
 

I hope we're waiting to see if Grilliams becomes available. We could use some of his no nonsense approach. The bad cop to Gruden's good cop if you will.

Re: NYJ expected to fire Todd Bowles...do the Redskins fire Manusky and bring Bowles back to Washington?
 

[quote=MTK;1215949]I hope we're waiting to see if Grilliams becomes available. We could use some of his no nonsense approach. The bad cop to Gruden's good cop if you will.[/quote]

He was my favorite DC we've had here since Petitbon.

Re: NYJ expected to fire Todd Bowles...do the Redskins fire Manusky and bring Bowles back to Washington?
 

[quote=MTK;1215949]I hope we're waiting to see if Grilliams becomes available. We could use some of his no nonsense approach. The bad cop to Gruden's good cop if you will.[/quote]

this a million times...I want Williams over Bowles

NYJ expected to fire Todd Bowles...do the Redskins fire Manusky and bring Bowles back to Washington?
 

[QUOTE=Chico23231;1215954]this a million times...I want Williams over Bowles[/QUOTE]



Would Williams even come here?

It’s been a while, but i seem to remember Snyder had promised him the HC job when Gibbs retired, but Snyder said “you suck - i want Jim Zorn.

Williams coming back here would be like getting back up with a girl who left you at the alter for a barista she met the morning of the wedding.

Surely, Williams is going to better options than to return to the owner that jilted him.


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Re: NYJ expected to fire Todd Bowles...do the Redskins fire Manusky and bring Bowles back to Washington?
 

Grilliams would be nice, but would any of you take him if it meant retaining Bruce Allen as President of football ops?

Re: NYJ expected to fire Todd Bowles...do the Redskins fire Manusky and bring Bowles back to Washington?
 

Breathe it in boys....that smell you're smelling is the stench of another season of Greg Manusky as DC. Might as well go ahead and assume that to be true.

Re: NYJ expected to fire Todd Bowles...do the Redskins fire Manusky and bring Bowles back to Washington?
 

[QUOTE=metalskins;1216052]Breathe it in boys....that smell you're smelling is the stench of another season of Greg Manusky as DC. Might as well go ahead and assume that to be true.[/QUOTE]



Why would we assume that?


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Re: NYJ expected to fire Todd Bowles...do the Redskins fire Manusky and bring Bowles back to Washington?
 

We've done much worse than Manusky. Could we upgrade, definitely. But if the offense was able to pull their weight this year the D wouldn't have gotten exposed as much as they did. The D especially in the 2nd half of the season was routinely hung out to dry by the offense.

Re: NYJ expected to fire Todd Bowles...do the Redskins fire Manusky and bring Bowles back to Washington?
 

All the injuries we had is going save all these coaches and BA

Re: NYJ expected to fire Todd Bowles...do the Redskins fire Manusky and bring Bowles back to Washington?
 

[quote=mredskins;1216060]All the injuries we had is going save all these coaches and BA[/quote]

Starting 6-3 also helps I guess.

Re: NYJ expected to fire Todd Bowles...do the Redskins fire Manusky and bring Bowles back to Washington?
 

Who in their right mind would want to come here?

Re: NYJ expected to fire Todd Bowles...do the Redskins fire Manusky and bring Bowles back to Washington?
 

[quote=MTK;1216056]We've done much worse than Manusky. Could we upgrade, definitely. But if the offense was able to pull their weight this year the D wouldn't have gotten exposed as much as they did. The D especially in the 2nd half of the season was routinely hung out to dry by the offense.[/quote]

Convincing this board Mansuky deserves to retain his job? That's a tough sell there chief.

All I know is we went from holding 3 stud rb's to an average of 30 yards in 3 consecutive games to looking like the league worst defense of 2017. And it can't be excused with injuries either.

Re: NYJ expected to fire Todd Bowles...do the Redskins fire Manusky and bring Bowles back to Washington?
 

[quote=mooby;1216093]Convincing this board Mansuky deserves to retain his job? That's a tough sell there chief.

All I know is we went from holding 3 stud rb's to an average of 30 yards in 3 consecutive games to looking like the league worst defense of 2017. And it can't be excused with injuries either.[/quote]

Not trying to sell anything on him, I just don't think he's some sort of pariah that some have made him out to be. The D was 17th in yards, 15th in points given up, 7th in sacks. I think people were upset the D couldn't carry the sorry ass offense all season long. No they weren't a top 10 D but in terms of how they've played the last several seasons they were solid enough to get the job done if the offense hadn't fallen apart.

Re: NYJ expected to fire Todd Bowles...do the Redskins fire Manusky and bring Bowles back to Washington?
 

[quote=MTK;1216100]Not trying to sell anything on him, I just don't think he's some sort of pariah that some have made him out to be. The D was 17th in yards, 15th in points given up, 7th in sacks. I think people were upset the D couldn't carry the sorry ass offense all season long. No they weren't a top 10 D but in terms of how they've played the last several seasons they were solid enough to get the job done if the offense hadn't fallen apart.[/quote]

I just want consistency. Either be consistently bad or consistently good. Don't be a tease for the first half of the year. Gruden also had a good point, we were consistently terrible on third down too for most of the year IIRC.

Re: NYJ expected to fire Todd Bowles...do the Redskins fire Manusky and bring Bowles back to Washington?
 

[quote=MTK;1216100]Not trying to sell anything on him, I just don't think he's some sort of pariah that some have made him out to be. The D was 17th in yards, 15th in points given up, 7th in sacks. I think people were upset the D couldn't carry the sorry ass offense all season long. No they weren't a top 10 D but in terms of how they've played the last several seasons they were solid enough to get the job done if the offense hadn't fallen apart.[/quote]

I agree our offense failed the defense. But head coaching on offense and defense and our QB’s play was below average.
Our Dline is stout and deep. Our LB’s and secondary are pretty good. We are bordering on having the talent on defense to be a top 10 defense and better.
Our defense and offense coordinators are holding us back. Gruden and Manusky are not good at moving the chess pieces around. They are not terrible but they are below average at making in game decisions and strategy.
The New Orleans game this year was tell all of our team. When facing a team with a great coaching staff we got knocked the fuck out! We did not have a lot of injuries then. Our coaches could not do a thing to slow down their offense or our offense get even a field goal.

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I guess in the end I just don't see a change at DC putting us over the top. Is that really the missing piece to this entire mess?? Might as well ride it out another year and hopefully clean house next year.

Re: NYJ expected to fire Todd Bowles...do the Redskins fire Manusky and bring Bowles back to Washington?
 

[quote=MTK;1216103]I guess in the end I just don't see a change at DC putting us over the top. Is that really the missing piece to this entire mess?? Might as well ride it out another year and hopefully clean house next year.[/quote]

I completely disagree with you. There are better options out there right now for d coordinator.
Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

Re: NYJ expected to fire Todd Bowles...do the Redskins fire Manusky and bring Bowles back to Washington?
 

[quote=Defensewins;1216107]I completely disagree with you. There are better options out there right now for d coordinator.
Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.[/quote]

Sure there are better options, but how much sense does it make to make yet another change only to have to entirely clean house next year if we have another disappointing season? Do you trust Gruden to finally get the hire right?

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[quote=MTK;1216108]Sure there are better options, but how much sense does it make to make yet another change only to have to entirely clean house next year if we have another disappointing season? Do you trust Gruden to finally get the hire right?[/quote]

I see your point.
I think cleaning house would be perfect to do this year. Not next year.
There are good coaches and Front office candidates available.
Next year may not be the case. Plus the team has talent and that will attract good candidates.

Re: NYJ expected to fire Todd Bowles...do the Redskins fire Manusky and bring Bowles back to Washington?
 

I think both Gruden and Allen have all the incentive in the world to make sure they have the right defensive coordinator in place. Gruden because he's going into the second to last year of his contract meaning this year is the make or break, he will either be extended or fired. So he needs good results immediately. He will want to ensure himself the best chance to succeed so I think he will look to upgrade anywhere he can.

That said, do I trust that he'll make the right choice, no I don't. We've seen him stick to familiar too often. And I'm not even certain he has actual final say on his staff. Remember when Snyder hired Zorn to be the OC before a HC was in place? Only did he upgrade him to HC when other options failed. I think either he or Allen is having a big say in coordinator hires. All the more reason this go round will fail too.

But Gruden will certainly go to them and ask for a replacement.

Re: NYJ expected to fire Todd Bowles...do the Redskins fire Manusky and bring Bowles back to Washington?
 

Manusky just isn't cutting it. Period. We've dealt with mediocrity on our coaching staff for years. It's time for a change. Period. Both sides of the ball, entire culture change, etc. It's time and we've seen what the result has been. Want empty seats? Keep the status quo. Want a fleeting fan base? Keep the status quo. There is not a single positive in my mind to keeping the status quo, at all.

Re: NYJ expected to fire Todd Bowles...do the Redskins fire Manusky and bring Bowles back to Washington?
 

[QUOTE=Meks;1216112]Manusky just isn't cutting it. Period. We've dealt with mediocrity on our coaching staff for years. It's time for a change. Period. Both sides of the ball, entire culture change, etc. It's time and we've seen what the result has been. Want empty seats? Keep the status quo. Want a fleeting fan base? Keep the status quo. There is not a single positive in my mind to keeping the status quo, at all.[/QUOTE]



I agree. Even if we we felt manusky was doing ok, there are several fired head coaches who out there who will probably not be head coaches this year and who would be clear upgrades. Marvin Lewis. Gregg Williams. Todd Bowles. All upgrades. It would be irresponsible NOT to hire one of them if they were willing to come here as DC.


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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;1216124]I agree. Even if we we felt manusky was doing ok, there are several fired head coaches who out there who will probably not be head coaches this year and who would be clear upgrades. Marvin Lewis. Gregg Williams. Todd Bowles. All upgrades. It would be irresponsible NOT to hire one of them if they were willing to come here as DC.


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Absolutely. I'd welcome GW back with open arms.

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We better get a new dc. I get so fuckin angry when I see Kerrigan dropping back

Gfto manusky now

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[quote=Chico23231;1216140]We better get a new dc. I get so fuckin angry when I see Kerrigan dropping back

Gfto manusky now[/quote]

LMAO. Not now, RIGHT NOW!