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Tired of the Drama talk and GM BS.

Lets move on to the draft in April.

Reports out there suggest the skins are definitely looking at a QB early on, some reports as I posted in the GM thread have the skins looking to move up , I'd imagine that would be to get a Kyler Murray (who else is worth moving up from 15th)

What do u guys think?

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It’ll be the splashy move to make us all forget this season and then be pissy for the next 2 off seasons lol


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[quote=DynamiteRave;1217211]It’ll be the splashy move to make us all forget this season and then be pissy for the next 2 off seasons lol


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I don't want to make another RG3 type trade, this team isn't just a QB away from contending. Hopefully we don't go crazy

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I really hope we don't trade up to get a QB. Granted, I don't watch college games so I don't know much about those QBs but it seems like everyone is claiming that the QB class this year is very weak.

I very much prefer for us to go BPA at our slot regardless of positions. We have many needs.

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[quote=GridIron26;1217215]I really hope we don't trade up to get a QB. Granted, I don't watch college games so I don't know much about those QBs but it seems like everyone is claiming that the QB class this year is very weak.

I very much prefer for us to go BPA at our slot regardless of positions. We have many needs.[/quote]

If anything move back to grab an additional first....but agree. Don't move up, take a BPA at Guard, CB, Pass Rusher, Safety, ILB

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BPA regardless of position. There is not one position on this team that isn't a need. No more picking players with potential like Apke. You draft players like him in the 7th round. No trading away picks for a QB.

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I would not trade up to the top of the 1st round for a QB, but I would take one if Haskins, Murray, or Daniel Jones is there. Drew Lock maybe in the 2nd.

Fact is we have to view Alex as done for his career, and we have to recognize we can't afford a veteran QB's salary until 2020 at earliest. Unless we want to ride with Colt McCoy and Josh Johnson, we pretty much have to come away from this draft with a QB.

Everyone in that building knows it, too. And they're likely thinking what better way to put some butts back in seats, new QB. It may tempt them to trade up for one, too.

Like I said I wouldn't trade up, but I'd lean towards taking a QB in the 1st, or moving up from our 2nd rounder into the last part of the 1st round to take one. We're going to need a QB on a cheap rookie deal, that's just the reality of the salary cap situation. We need that just as much as we need a reason to hope.

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[quote=Schneed10;1217218]I would not trade up to the top of the 1st round for a QB, but I would take one if Haskins, Murray, or Daniel Jones is there. Drew Lock maybe in the 2nd.

Fact is we have to view Alex as done for his career, and we have to recognize we can't afford a veteran QB's salary until 2020 at earliest. Unless we want to ride with Colt McCoy and Josh Johnson, we pretty much have to come away from this draft with a QB.

Everyone in that building knows it, too. And they're likely thinking what better way to put some butts back in seats, new QB. It may tempt them to trade up for one, too.

Like I said I wouldn't trade up, but I'd lean towards taking a QB in the 1st, or moving up from our 2nd rounder into the last part of the 1st round to take one. We're going to need a QB on a cheap rookie deal, that's just the reality of the salary cap situation. We need that just as much as we need a reason to hope.[/quote]

I agree they should not trade up. There is a chance Lock might be available in the first....there is no way he lasts until the 2nd round.

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[QUOTE=Irrefutable;1217219]I agree they should not trade up. There is a chance Lock might be available in the first....there is no way he lasts until the 2nd round.[/QUOTE]Lock isn't as good as Grier, Haskins or Murray. Big arm but not accurate so basically Josh Allen. At 15 we should be able to get a QB. If Arizona takes Murray (possible) then I would offer that 15 for Rosen

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No trading up — don’t get duped into any “can’t-miss” picks. But recognize that QB is a serious need just like ILB, DB, G, etc. Good players are like currency, so stock them up at any position.

It wouldn’t surprise me to see in a few years that a good QB came out of this draft in the second or third round, a dark horse. But I’m also going to bet that the Skins don’t find him.

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Trade down and take Ryan Finley from NC State. Extra pick(s) and a QB that is just as good as everyone besides Haskins. All the other guys are wild cards. Definitely don't want Murray. Way too small.

Note - Haskins is no lock, but his talent level is clearly above the others imho.

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I'm not against trading up if it's a move to something like 10 or 12. Top 5? No way.

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[quote=Irrefutable;1217219]I agree they should not trade up. There is a chance Lock might be available in the first....there is no way he lasts until the 2nd round.[/quote]

Don't think I'd take Lock at 15, whether there or not. Too many accuracy questions for me. If you look at his TD passes he had dudes wide open, so open that any dipshit could connect on the pass. If you watch it and pretend the defender isn't there, you get less impressed with the accuracy of his deep ball. WRs having to come back to the ball a couple steps, etc. and it's not in the direction of throwing the WR open.

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[quote=Schneed10;1217255]Don't think I'd take Lock at 15, whether there or not. Too many accuracy questions for me. If you look at his TD passes he had dudes wide open, so open that any dipshit could connect on the pass. If you watch it and pretend the defender isn't there, you get less impressed with the accuracy of his deep ball. WRs having to come back to the ball a couple steps, etc. and it's not in the direction of throwing the WR open.[/quote]

He's just not very accurate, I would take a chance on him in the 2nd possibly but no way in the 1st. Will Grier at 15 is very possible. May be a tad of a reach but he's a QB that can make all the throws and he can move just enough to get away from trouble. I don't want Murray as hard as that may be to believe, I think he would have to be in the Gun most of the time. If hes there at 15 and they take him, o well but please don't mortgage the future for the kid.

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I am not sold on this draft class at QB....I think the OSU Haskins kid is decent, best of the bunch, but Grier is ok....I don't see first round top talent though. I wouldn't object to either at our spot. But I really need everyone within the Organization to be onboard with the choice. Don't force a bad choice.

But hey because of our stupidity we will be forced into a bad position again.

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I’m fundamentally opposed to drafting a QB in the first 3 rounds this year.

1) Alex smith can’t be comfortably cut this year or next year. If there is even a chance he comes back and can play in 2020, do we really want to invest a high pick on a QB in 2019?
2) this appears to be a relatively weak QB class at the top.
3) and this is the big one - drafting a QB high doesn’t make sense given the situation with Gruden. Unless he suddenly turns things around, this is very likely his last year here. A rookie QB is almost certainly not going play well enough to help Gruden keep his job another year. And do we really want to draft a QB this year and have the new HC we get next be saddled with the guy Gruden and Bruce pick in 2019?

We obviously have a major QB hole, but it just doesn’t make long-term sense for us to draft one high this year

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But keep in mind you can't just assume the stars will align next year, or the year after, for us to be in position to select one then. As we sit here now, Tua and Justin Herbert will come out, plus a couple others, and figure to go high. But what if we go 8-8 in 2019 and we're picking 16th in 2020? Or what if Tua has a bad year and we question whether he's worth a 1st rounder? What if Justin Herbert gets hurt like McKenzie Milton level hurt?

Can't count on it. If a QB you think has franchise chops is there at 15, this franchise must take him. They're hard to come by and you can't count on it.

If you don't think Haskins, Lock, Murray or Jones are worth a 1st rounder then that's one thing. But the reason to pass on a QB can't be 'because next year will be a better opportunity'. We can't know that.

We had Kirk, we had Alex, but our reality is we're back to having nobody. We need to get one. Again, I'm not advocating for a reach, but we've got to take the bat off our shoulders.

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[quote=Schneed10;1217273]But keep in mind you can't just assume the stars will align next year, or the year after, for us to be in position to select one then. As we sit here now, Tua and Justin Herbert will come out, plus a couple others, and figure to go high. But what if we go 8-8 in 2019 and we're picking 16th in 2020? Or what if Tua has a bad year and we question whether he's worth a 1st rounder? What if Justin Herbert gets hurt like McKenzie Milton level hurt?

Can't count on it. If a QB you think has franchise chops is there at 15, this franchise must take him. They're hard to come by and you can't count on it.

If you don't think Haskins, Lock, Murray or Jones are worth a 1st rounder then that's one thing. But the reason to pass on a QB can't be 'because next year will be a better opportunity'. We can't know that.

We had Kirk, we had Alex, but our reality is we're back to having nobody. We need to get one. Again, I'm not advocating for a reach, but we've got to take the bat off our shoulders.[/quote]

Sometimes you have to take big chances, at 15 I hope to draft a QB unless we sign a veteran (Foles) for a few years.

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I was watching some Lock highlights to get myself fired up. Dude has a cannon arm.

I'd be OK with Lock or Haskins at 15. Need to review Jones some more.

My preference is Finley in the 3rd (or one of the other guys ranked somewhat highly if they slip) and BPA in 1st 2 rounds.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1217275]I was watching some Lock highlights to get myself fired up. Dude has a cannon arm.

I'd be OK with Lock or Haskins at 15. Need to review Jones some more.

My preference is Finley in the 3rd (or one of the other guys ranked somewhat highly if they slip) and BPA in 1st 2 rounds.[/quote]

Lock is has a cannon but again so does Josh Allen, their accuracy has always been the knock. To me Grier is the best option for 15. I guess its a crapshoot tho like normal.

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Qb
edge rusher
lg
wr
db
lb

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Haskins should be the first qb taken. He had a ridiculous year against good competition. If he is there when we pick we simply have to take him.

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BPA.

Whoever made the Apke pick shouldn't get a vote.

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[quote=DYoungJelly;1217286]BPA.

Whoever made the Apke pick shouldn't get a vote.

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He is a god send on Madden though, so he has that going for him...

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[quote=DYoungJelly;1217286]BPA.

Whoever made the Apke pick shouldn't get a vote.

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This

Also Jay Gruden should be removed from most if not all personnel decisions. He is most likely gone after this year.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1217210]Tired of the Drama talk and GM BS.

Lets move on to the draft in April.

Reports out there suggest the skins are definitely looking at a QB early on, some reports as I posted in the GM thread have the skins looking to move up , I'd imagine that would be to get a Kyler Murray (who else is worth moving up from 15th)

What do u guys think?[/quote]I would love Kyler Murray but the dude has to sign some kind of binding agreement that he's only going to play football.

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But why would we draft a QB in a bad QB class when Gruden will be fired next year and/or Smith will be back?

Drafting a QB seems very short sighted. It’s the “let’s not plan long term but try to get the fans excited” kind of move.


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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;1217299]But why would we draft a QB in a bad QB class when Gruden will be fired next year and/or Smith will be back?

[B][B]Drafting a QB seems very short sighted. It’s the “let’s not plan long term but try to get the fans excited” kind of move. [/B][/B]

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So make the most perfect Redskins decision ever. You just assured us we draft a QB.

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[quote=bighairedaristocrat;1217299]Drafting a qb seems very short sighted. It’s the “let’s not plan long term but try to get the fans excited” kind of move.


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smh
It's a QB league but this franchise has been avoiding drafting that position for almost 7 yeats.
So let's skip QB again! Lol

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[quote=DYoungJelly;1217286][B]BPA.[/B]

Whoever made the Apke pick shouldn't get a vote.

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Always BPA in Round 1, at least.

Apke was picked too high but I hope he surprises next season. We fans deserve it after the Doctson fiasco.

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I went and watched Will Grier highlights. I think he’s worth considering.

Here are highlights. With highlights you have to be careful because it leaves out any boneheaded plays or times he may have been careless with the ball. In other words be aware that you’re not seeing the whole picture.

But that said watch these throws. On the ones where the defender is beat by two steps or more, watch it and pretend there’s no defender there at all. Does the WR have to break stride?

On the ones where where the defender is all over the WR, is the ball placed in a low risk spot where only the WR could get it?

Yes and yes. Dude’s accurate as F and looks a little like Big Ben to me. Needs to quicken the elongated delivery but worth considering.

I’m not so sure this QB class can’t play.

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[quote=30gut;1217289]I would love Kyler Murray but the dude has to sign some kind of binding agreement that he's only going to play football.[/quote]


Honest question ,why? He played behind a very good O line and the defense's in his conference are not exactly the best? Heisman does not always equate to a good NFL player.I agree on the binder by the way.

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Drafting a QB is short sighted? I think it’s quite the opposite considering it may be someone who won’t even play next year.

Short sighted was not having a developmental QB already on the roster this year.


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[QUOTE=MTK;1217318]Drafting a QB is short sighted? I think it’s quite the opposite considering it may be someone who won’t even play next year.

Short sighted was not having a developmental QB already on the roster this year.


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Reaching for a QB is short sighted.

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[quote=Giantone;1217314]Honest question ,why? He played behind a very good O line and the defense's in his conference are not exactly the best? Heisman does not always equate to a good NFL player.I agree on the binder by the way.[/quote]All of the above was also true for Baker Mayfield + the run threat of an 1,000 yard rusher.

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[quote=Schneed10;1217311]I went and watched Will Grier highlights. I think he’s worth considering.

Here are highlights. With highlights you have to be careful because it leaves out any boneheaded plays or times he may have been careless with the ball. In other words be aware that you’re not seeing the whole picture.

But that said watch these throws. On the ones where the defender is beat by two steps or more, watch it and pretend there’s no defender there at all. Does the WR have to break stride?

On the ones where where the defender is all over the WR, is the ball placed in a low risk spot where only the WR could get it?

Yes and yes. Dude’s accurate as F and looks a little like Big Ben to me. Needs to quicken the elongated delivery but worth considering.

I’m not so sure this QB class can’t play.

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I've been saying it since mid season, he's the guy I want, watched a lot of his film, very good QB.

Spoke to a fellow co-worker (former NFL QB) and he said stay at 15 and take Grier or go Jones in the 2nd round. Murray will be a top 10 pick and we don't need to trade up for him IMO.

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Will Grier or Murry at 15...I wouldn’t be mad about that...

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Would you believe more in this current FO if they hit the reset button now, traded away assets, picked up as many future picks as they could and accepted that with the Smith situation that this team has no chance over the next couple of years, and that next year was a better opportunity to draft a franchise QB?

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[quote=WillH;1217566]Would you believe more in this current FO if they hit the reset button now, traded away assets, picked up as many future picks as they could and accepted that with the Smith situation that this team has no chance over the next couple of years, and that next year was a better opportunity to draft a franchise QB?

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Not a bad idea, however other than Norman and possibly Reed there is not much I would trade. Do not resign Crowder, P.Smith or Ha Ha ...take the comp picks.

2019 draft
#1 TE....there are several great TEs in this draft....Hockenson, Smith, Fant
#2 G
#3 CB
#3 DE/OLB
#5 S
#5 QB
#6 S
#7 ILB

Add a few moderate priced free agents....C, T, LB, S

The offense will stink and they should be able to get a good QB in the 2020 draft.

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[quote=WillH;1217566]Would you believe more in this current FO if they hit the reset button now, traded away assets, picked up as many future picks as they could and accepted that with the Smith situation that this team has no chance over the next couple of years, and that next year was a better opportunity to draft a franchise QB?

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I don't know if I would believe in this FO to get anything right, however I tend to think this would be the smarter play. I do not believe they will do this at all though, and somewhat expect them to trade up and draft Murray...since that would be "winning the offseason" in their minds...and temporarily take some of the heat off of them. Unless they learn before the draft, that there is a REAL chance Alex could play again this season...and even if they learned that, they may would still trade up and draft Murray. Nothing they could do at this point would surprise me, other than Snyder selling the team or firing Bruce.