What’s your plan for the Quarterback position?
 

I’m making an attempt to get over this season’s hangover...it’s been awhile since I’ve had this feeling of simply not giving a f$ck. Moving forward.

How you plan for the QB position for this year is how you view the plan for the near future of the franchise. Are you a “start Colt and flame out?” Or go get a free agent QB Vet and push for the playoffs? You a trade up and go get the best QB in the draft? Or you prefer waiting on a QB later in the draft, not reaching?

While salary cap will impact the decision, we could make several cuts to make room...now this would severely limit other moves and give us a lot of dead money which counts against the cap. I personally hate carrying dead cap hits.

What ever you decide, you need to form an opinion with Colt first. To me, Colt isn’t a starter and he will get injured like he always does. But he is extremely cheap and would position us for more of a “tank season.” I personally have a problem with tanking...head says yes, heart says fuck that noise. I’m not with tanking.

I’m not a big fan of the QB coming out...But there a lot of different choices and style. I’ll back them if we get one, but moving up in the first is an absolute non starter with me.

Teddy Bridgewater...this would be my choice. I’d make a push for sign him as a prove it deal and tell he must compete, but will have the first opportunity to lead. Bridgewater has the most talent of the Vets and still the most unproven potential imo. I think he is primed to lead...tannehill, dalton, Flacco, keenum, and others...we clearly know who they are, and their price isn’t worth it. Bridgewater maybe motivated to take less in order to get a big contract down the line, but he needs that starting job to do it. The problem is someone may want to give teddy a huge contract right now...no way I’d do that or get into a contract bidding position.

If Miami and Cincinnati both keep their starting QB, that is terrible news for Bridgewater and awesome for us...that’s really what to watch when it comes to the free agent market. Flacco to Broncos was great news.

I’d pair Teddy with a 3rd round qb pick because we need a young qb to develop regardless.

What is your QB plan? Are you drafting the future now?

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Most likely I am in the minority here, but I am one of the few people who here that actually thinks that Colt McCoy is a decent quarterback. When Colt McCoy was in Cleveland, he actually did fairly well behind an awful Offense Line, before he was seriously injured. And in the few stints that Colt McCoy has had an opportunity to play in Washington, he has been decent. I do agree, however, that he does seem to get injured easily.

The 2019 season is going to be a complete and total Hot [emoji91] Mess Dumpster Fire [emoji91]
Mostly because of the Redskins Management of Dan Synder and Bruce Allen. So it really doesn't matter to who is playing at quarterback.

Personally I would be fine with going into the 2019 season having Colt McCoy as the starter and possibly having Josh Johnson backing him up. Mark Sanchez, however, is a complete and total waste of time, and should be cut. With the Salery Cap situation that the Redskins have gotten themselves into, I personally wouldn't throw amymore money [emoji385] at the quarterback position. So I'd be fine with going into the 2019 season with only 2 healthy veteran quarterbacks.

If the Redskins are able to draft a decent quarterback in the later round, like a Brett Rypien, I'd be fine with that.

If, however, the Redskins do decide to sign another veteran quarterback to a fairly low amount, I'd be Okay with that too. I just don't see any reason to throw a bunch of money [emoji385] at the quarterback position, especially with the cap problems due to the Alex Smith injury.

I am aware that I may get several negative comments to my post due to my respect for Colt McCoy, but since it was asked to express our opinions, those are my thoughts.

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Tannehill wont be in Miami , they are rebuilding from scratch..

Teddy would be a solid signing, Tyrod Taylor as well.

My opinion is not a popular one but I say draft a QB in the 1st rd and roll with him after week 2 or 3 (Like CLE did). Unless Josh Johnson is winning games early on.

Daniel Jones or Kyler Murray would be my top choices, Drew Lock a 3rd.

Our defense is pretty solid, we do need Safety but I think Landon Collins is an option after Zach BRown gets cut.

Our first 3 picks needs to be

QB
G
WR.

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Should have mentioned, who you like at QB in the draft...if your down with drafting one.

Id prefer Haskins at QB. Jones and Lock would be a reach in the first...not down with that.

K Murray...gonna have to put him in the right scheme imo. Maybe the new OC would have that scheme...im open to picking him at 15.

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I would roll with Colt or JJ as starter. With Alex Smith's contract even a bottom level veteran starter who now command $10 mil+ just is not affordable. I would say use two picks on a QB, one early round and a mid rounder. I could not say who as I didn't watch a lot of college football this past year, and even if I did I have never been good at evaluating QBs. Let the rookies sit and learn while JJ and or Colt lead the Redskins to 3-13 and a nice high draft pick. If one of the rookies look like the QB of the future trade that high pick down for multiple picks.

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[quote=Buffalo Bob;1218999]I would roll with Colt or JJ as starter. With Alex Smith's contract even a bottom level veteran starter who now command $10 mil+ just is not affordable. I would say use two picks on a QB, one early round and a mid rounder. I could not say who as I didn't watch a lot of college football this past year, and even if I did I have never been good at evaluating QBs. Let the rookies sit and learn while JJ and or Colt lead the Redskins to 3-13 and a nice high draft pick. If one off the rookies look like the QB of the future trade that high pick down for multiple picks.[/quote]

I hate to be that guy, but if we have double digits losses we will be in position to draft several great QB talents. Like 3 guys who are much better than the top QB prospect this year. So why draft 2 this year?

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The only option is Colt McCoy, he knows the system better than any FA or draftee. Drafting a QB this year is a must, I would only draft a QB in the 1st if it’s Murray, Lock or Jones and that’s even iffy.

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I don't think I want to do anything that will screw up our ability to build the team in a stable fashion for the long term. Trading for Joe Flacco might have done that because of the cap consequences - glad it didn't happen.

I'd like to see cap space remain available to retain our crucial players like Scherff when the time comes. So that rules out spending what it would take to get a Tannehill, Foles, etc.

I don't mind dipping into the bottom of the QB scrap heap in free agency because the supply outstrips the demand this year. We might be able to get a Teddy B or Tyrod Taylor for just a few mil, who knows.

But those guys should only be considered insurance for Colt, who like KCT I believe can be a decent player if he can just stay healthy.

I strongly consider drafting a QB with the first rounder. Whether Alex comes back or not, he's getting older and we need a future. I'm not convinced that Daniel Jones, Drew Lock, and Kyler Murray can't be very good in this league. I'm not convinced that they will either. But I'm at least sniffing around hard on them and thinking about it.

No trade up, but stay at 15 and if I can get one of them, possibly do it.

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[quote=Schneed10;1219002]I don't think I want to do anything that will screw up our ability to build the team in a stable fashion for the long term. Trading for Joe Flacco might have done that because of the cap consequences - glad it didn't happen.

I'd like to see cap space remain available to retain our crucial players like Scherff when the time comes. So that rules out spending what it would take to get a Tannehill, Foles, etc.

I don't mind dipping into the bottom of the QB scrap heap in free agency because the supply outstrips the demand this year. We might be able to get a Teddy B or Tyrod Taylor for just a few mil, who knows.

But those guys should only be considered insurance for Colt, who like KCT I believe can be a decent player if he can just stay healthy.

I strongly consider drafting a QB with the first rounder. Whether Alex comes back or not, he's getting older and we need a future. I'm not convinced that Daniel Jones, Drew Lock, and Kyler Murray can't be very good in this league. I'm not convinced that they will either. But I'm at least sniffing around hard on them and thinking about it.

[B]No trade up, but stay at 15 and if I can get one of them, possibly do it.[/B][/quote]

To get Murray they will have to trade up, the demand for him will get even higher after the combine. One of the other 3 mentioned should be there at 15.

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[quote=Chico23231;1219000]I hate to be that guy, but if we have double digits losses we will be in position to draft several great QB talents. Like 3 guys who are much better than the top QB prospect this year. [B]So why draft 2 this year?[/B][/quote]

Kind of like shooting short range with a shotgun loaded with buckshot over a snub nosed .38. You are more likely to hit something. If the two guys this year look like duds that 3-13 will afford you a do over the following year. The QB position is the hardest to evaluate, history proves that. Often a projected good draft for QBs goes bust and a projected poor one turns out a handful of franchise QBs. The 2016 class was projected as weak, but out of the top 5 QBs picked 3 are franchise QBs that made Pro Bowls. Even the best at the draft fail picking QBs. Bill Walsh considered a QB genius, who selected Joe Montana in the 3rd round also has a first round pick of Jim Druckenmiller on his resume. Montana was considered the GOAT until recently surpassed by Tom Brady and Drunckenmiller probably has one of the worst career passer ratings of all time for anyone who threw at least 50 passes.

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I like this thread.

First of all, if I were GM, I would sit down with Gruden to go over all possible options. Based on what we have learned about Gruden's belief in Colt McCoy, I think we would be content with Colt McCoy as starter, and maybe Josh Johnson only if Gruden believes he is best back-up option for Redskins. If not, then we will go after whoever Gruden wants to be the back-up QB. I think it's pointless for us to go after any free agent QB to be our starter because he is likely not going to be our future QB. Instead, we should focus on resigning (and extending) our key players and strengthening the team for future.

If Gruden and our scouts really like a QB from the draft, then we should draft him if we get the opportunity. If we draft a rookie in 1st round, let it be open competition between Colt and the rookie. Whoever wins the competition gets to lead the team for the season.

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Some of you guys have WAY too much faith in Colt Mccoy, he can never ever stay healthy because he's fragile as fuck and he isn't any good to begin with. Saying CM is the QB1 for 2019 might as well say we are tanking 3-13.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1219006]Some of you guys have WAY too much faith in Colt Mccoy, he can never ever stay healthy because he's fragile as fuck and he isn't any good to begin with. Saying CM is the QB1 for 2019 might as well say we are tanking 3-13.[/quote]

I don't think (and never believed) Colt can carry Redskins to Super Bowl. I chose Colt only because of the position Redskins is in - there isn't much Redskins can do about it except to trade up to draft Murray or Haskins, and that is not ideal strategy. I really believe there is no point for us to sign a free agent QB to be starter for Redskins because he is not likely going to be our future QB.

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[quote=Buffalo Bob;1219004]Kind of like shooting short range with a shotgun loaded with buckshot over a snub nosed .38. You are more likely to hit something. If the two guys this year look like duds that 3-13 will afford you a do over the following year. The QB position is the hardest to evaluate, history proves that. Often a projected good draft for QBs goes bust and a projected poor one turns out a handful of franchise QBs. The 2016 class was projected as weak, but out of the top 5 QBs picked 3 are franchise QBs that made Pro Bowls. Even the best at the draft fail picking QBs. Bill Walsh considered a QB genius, who selected Joe Montana in the 3rd round also has a first round pick of Jim Druckenmiller on his resume. Montana was considered the GOAT until recently surpassed by Tom Brady and Drunckenmiller probably has one of the worst career passer ratings of all time for anyone who threw at least 50 passes.[/quote]

ok get it...still I wouldn't tho.



Back to Colt...I rather have Colt than pay a Dalton, Keenum, Tannehill. Simply too much money for similar output. But Colt is extremely injury prone...that's a big problem (I guess I don't need to state to Skins fans, injuries are a big problem)

Re: What’s your plan for the Quarterback position?
 

[quote=skinsfaninok;1219006]Some of you guys have WAY too much faith in Colt Mccoy, he can never ever stay healthy because he's fragile as fuck and he isn't any good to begin with. Saying CM is the QB1 for 2019 might as well say we are tanking 3-13.[/quote]

The concern with Colt is definitely injury history so you have to backstop him with other options, which exactly what all of us are saying.

He did some good things when he came in for Alex against the Texans, almost brought us back from a big hole. Then had a 3-INT stinker against Dallas the next week. Then got hurt.

I don't agree that he can't play decent football - I do agree that you can't count on him for 16 games, hence the need for a backup plan.

But if 3-13 this year means we preserve the long term cap flexibility, then I'll live with it. My main point is I don't want to see us do anything that compromises our cap flexibility because in that case you wouldn't be able to find a coach on earth that would want this job.

Re: What’s your plan for the Quarterback position?
 

[quote=skinsfaninok;1219006]Some of you guys have WAY too much faith in Colt Mccoy, he can never ever stay healthy because he's fragile as fuck and he isn't any good to begin with. Saying CM is the QB1 for 2019 might as well say we are tanking 3-13.[/quote]

Hate to say it but this would be the best thing. 3-13. That would mean Gruden is gone and Bruce is right behind him.

We're not going anywhere w/ Colt. We weren't going anywhere w/ Smith. We need a drafted stud who can make the players around him better.

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[quote=Chico23231;1219009]ok get it...still I wouldn't tho.



[B]Back to Colt...I rather have Colt than pay a Dalton, Keenum, Tannehill. Simply too much money for similar output.[/B] But Colt is extremely injury prone...that's a big problem (I guess I don't need to state to Skins fans, injuries are a big problem)[/quote]

Definitely agree there. Even though the three you mention are considered in the bottom 3rd of QBs it will still take $10mil+ a year to sign them. For that you would probably get 1-2 more wins at best over a Colt McCoy, definitely not worth it. With a Keenum you would be spending around $40 mil total a year on the QB position and be lucky to win 6 games. Even the Redskin front office isn't inept enough to make that move.

Re: What’s your plan for the Quarterback position?
 

The newest "trend" seems to be building a team around the rookie QB deal, Seattle ,Philly and LAR all did recently with huge success. The only problem is , our cap situation sucks for this season.

Re: What’s your plan for the Quarterback position?
 

Colt, Johnson, and hopefully a first rd QB depending on how the draft falls.




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[quote=skinsfaninok;1219013]The newest "trend" seems to be building a team around the rookie QB deal, Seattle ,Philly and LAR all did recently with huge success. The only problem is , our cap situation sucks for this season.[/quote]

That and do you have confidence in the front office and coaching staff to draft and develop a franchise type QB? The past history isn't a good one. That is why I say they may have to use multiple picks in back to back years to land one.

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I'm gonna say roll with Colt, Johnson, and draft one...if Murray was there at 15 I'd take him depending on how much they like him in interviews and if you truly believe he is committed to football, but I don't think he'll be there anyway. Part of me wants them to have a crappy season in hopes they blow it all up afterwards including Bruce, but certainly no guarantee that would happen then either.

Maybe another good thread would be What Do You Think They Will Do At Quarterback for this season? We all heard Bruce saying that "we're close"...which tells me they may not believe in drafting a QB with that 15th pick...but who knows. It seems they still have hope that Alex will be back at some point.

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I think Lock is a Gruden type of QB and would be a good fit. There's some rumblings out there to that effect. Kid has an arm that's for sure.

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[quote=MTK;1219017]I think Lock is a Gruden type of QB and would be a good fit. There's some rumblings out there to that effect. Kid has an arm that's for sure.[/quote]

is Gruden here next year?

Im hoping OC O'Con has the bigger voice in the decision.

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[quote=Chico23231;1219018]is Gruden here next year?

Im hoping OC O'Con has the bigger voice in the decision.[/quote]

Well he's here for 2019 and that's the system he'll be starting in.

Can't make decisions based on what may or may not happen down the road.

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[quote=MTK;1219017]I think Lock is a Gruden type of QB and would be a good fit. There's some rumblings out there to that effect. Kid has an arm that's for sure.[/quote]

He's better than Josh Allen, probably not as good as Rosen but he's got a great arm for sure.

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I would go after Teddy 3yr contract if possible then next yr draft the young man from ND have him sit for a yr or 2 then it's his team.

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[quote=NYCskinfan82;1219023]I would go after Teddy 3yr contract if possible then next yr draft the young man from ND have him sit for a yr or 2 then it's his team.[/quote]

I even think he will get $10 mil+ a year in this market, too expensive with Smith's contract on the books.

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[quote=NYCskinfan82;1219023]I would go after Teddy 3yr contract if possible then next yr draft the young man from ND have him sit for a yr or 2 then it's his team.[/quote]

Yeah this wouldn’t work....In order to get TB we would def have to have somethings go our way. One, we would need to have limited competition for his services...two, he would need to take a one year, bet on himself deal that’s team friendly.

The attraction for TB is finding an opportunity for a starting job in order to flip into a larger contract.

I believe there would be a chance to get him, but not a strong one.

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Draft Jones or Lock (Haskins and Murray will be off the board unless we trade up -which I would not do for Murray). Let them sit as long as they can...

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1219020]He's better than Josh Allen, probably not as good as Rosen but he's got a great arm for sure.[/quote]

As a UCLA fan who watched lots of their games I don't think Rosen will amount to squat. If he even becomes an average NFL QB on the next time I vacation in upstate New York my girlfriend and I will happily treat your family to a nice dinner of your choice. No risk to you.

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Tank season for a pick would be a horrible decision.. if you were a player and knew this was the plan would you risk injury or a year of your skill to play for a team that did this?? If skins do this I’m done ! they need to do whatever it takes to try and win! Now with that being said I would not reach for a QB in draft nor would I make a stupid trade .. I would cut sanchez bring in another vet like bridewater to compete with colt as starter and if a qb fell to you in draft and he was on par with the pick then take him!

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The more I watch of Kyler Murray, the more I am impressed by him. He has a great pocket presence, he senses pressure, something that is underrated in Qb's these days.
You can see him run through his progressions and he has a great arm. Very accurate. He is smart QB on the field.
I don't give a fuck about his height. He is a football player.
I hope the other teams fixate on his height and hand size so he falls to us at 15. Rumors are the Giants and Raiders like Kyler. They pick ahead of us.
IF Kyler Murray is gone I would want either a killer Left Guard or a solid pass rushing OLB to complete our front 7.

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[quote=Defensewins;1219032]The more I watch of Kyler Murray, the more I am impressed by him. He has a great pocket presence, he senses pressure, something that is underrated in Qb's these days.
You can see him run through his progressions and he has a great arm. Very accurate. He is smart QB on the field.
I don't give a fuck about his height. He is a football player.
I hope the other teams fixate on his height and hand size so he falls to us at 15. Rumors are the Giants and Raiders like Kyler. They pick ahead of us.
IF Kyler Murray is gone I would want either a killer Left Guard or a solid pass rushing OLB to complete our front 7.[/quote]

Deja Vu. Where have I heard this.......

Oh yeah, RG3. Thats where I heard it.

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Rumor out there now is the Steelers trade Brown to the Cards for Rosen and the Cards #2 which means they draft Murray
.

Here is a link...............

[url]https://thebiglead.com/2019/02/22/antonio-brown-josh-rosen-kyler-murray-cardinals/[/url]

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[quote=rocnrik;1219031]Tank season for a pick would be a horrible decision.. if you were a player and knew this was the plan would you risk injury or a year of your skill to play for a team that did this?? If skins do this I’m done ! they need to do whatever it takes to try and win! Now with that being said I would not reach for a QB in draft nor would I make a stupid trade .. I would cut sanchez bring in another vet like bridewater to compete with colt as starter and if a qb fell to you in draft and he was on par with the pick then take him![/quote]

Let us use the term "rebuilding" instead of tanking. Spending what even a lower level veteran starter makes these days on a QB makes no sense considering the shape the rest of the offense is in and Alex Smith's contract. The O-line needs addressed, Petersen is 33 and who knows how long he will last, Guice is coming off a torn ACL. The receiving core is among the worst in the NFL. This is a team that finished up the year 1-6. Spending $10 mil a year on a QB isn't going to improve that a whole lot, not worth the risk to try to win 6 games.

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[quote=Giantone;1219038]Rumor out there now is the Steelers trade Brown to the Cards for Rosen and the Cards #2 which means they draft Murray .[/quote]

DJ Swearinger and Brown on the same team? Wonder who acts out first?

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Been a while since I posted on here but this one intrigued me. Not least because virtually every post is ignoring the FA situation aside from QB.

For me, my handicap is that I don't see much college ball at all (NFL on Sky here in the UK and a few odd games here and there online. As such I can't comment on the guys coming out in this years draft, but from what I've seen if you build a team around a guy like Murray, you could replicate what Seattle did.


But we have to see how FA works out for us in other positions. Smith's contract is like the sword of Damocles hanging over the franchise, so we have limited wiggle room for FA. That means we may have to fill a lot of gaps through the draft this year, so can we afford a 1st round pick on a QB? If the right guy is still there at 15 I say yes, but if not, I agree with the idea of looking for a diamond, or at least a serviceable player lower down. If Smith does come back late next season/next year, and can play, we don't want a QB controversy, so we need a kid that may be better in 2-3 years than a day 1 starter; that's all dependent on Smith coming back and us not being better off cutting him or injury settling before his final year - anyone confirm what happens if we cut him after next season?

For me I'd see whether we think the OL and Guice can generate enough ground game to overcome a mediocre QB and draft lower if we can't get the right guy at 15. Get LB's and DB's to fill gaps on D, maybe a WR (if our current crop come back strong we only need to draft a true deep threat, else I'd draft 2 WR's to be sure), and for hells sake 2-3 OL hopefully including a LG and C with starter potential. With that I'd ride McCoy with the rookie as backup and then see how the whole situation pans out. We could get lucky with a rookie diamond in the rough and compete next year, McCoy could prove the doubters wrong or we tank and have a high pick for a QB next year. That approach worked eventually for the Browns didn't it?

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1. Colt

2. Fitz (can learn system til Colt goes down, he is smart and Gruden is a system coach) or,

3. Drafted rookie, if Smith and Gruden really like who is available when we pick. Can start when Colt goes down if he has made enough progress to pass Fitz on the depth chart.

Full proof don't screw up 2020 plan.

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There has been talk of Rosen being dealt. I'd give up our first for him if the Cards take the midget.

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[quote=Giantone;1219038]Rumor out there now is the Steelers trade Brown to the Cards for Rosen and the Cards #2 which means they draft Murray
.

Here is a link...............

[url]https://thebiglead.com/2019/02/22/antonio-brown-josh-rosen-kyler-murray-cardinals/[/url][/quote]

This makes no sense. Ben may play 3 or 4 more years.