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I'll kick it off with the Pro Bowl rosters:

[url]https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/28313440/2020-nfl-pro-bowl-rosters-afc-nfc-lamar-jackson-leads-picks[/url]

Scherff named reserve, Tress Way finally gets his due.

Landon Collins named 1st alternate, Matty I. named 4th alternate.

(Maybe it's just me, but I think this year's "Pro Bowl is overrated" justification is Matty I. being 4th alternate and Landon Collins being 1st alternate. Matty I. has made way more of an impact at his position than Collins has)

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How is Landon Collins in the pro-bowl? Might as well put Josh Norman there too.

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Lol Collins in but QD isn't?? Are u kidding me?

As for this game, it's simple Go giants

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Collins has been pretty damn good in the run game. But that's only half the job. He leaves a lot to be desired in the passing game.

I don't get upset about pro bowl picks. It's not based on reality and the pro bowl might be the most meaningless game in all of professional sports. Haven't watched it in at least 5 years.

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I haven’t watched it since Sean Taylor trucked that kicker. That’s the only thing memorable from any of those “games” as far as I am concerned.


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But back to the Giants, I just can’t root for us to lose to an NFCE team. Just can’t. Would love to see dallas and the eagles tie with both fan bases go nuts.


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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1239868]Collins has been pretty damn good in the run game. But that's only half the job. He leaves a lot to be desired in the passing game.

I don't get upset about pro bowl picks. It's not based on reality and the pro bowl might be the most meaningless game in all of professional sports. Haven't watched it in at least 5 years.[/quote]

I see lots of missed tackles, over running from being too aggressive and getting burned on passing situations vs tight ends. Give him one more year and get rid of him, shitty signing.

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[quote=calia;1239876]But back to the Giants, I just can’t root for us to lose to an NFCE team. Just can’t. Would love to see dallas and the eagles tie with both fan bases go nuts.

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If I go watch somewhere, I'll want us to win. I'm not going to watch. So I'll be perfectly fine with losing. Won't be mad if we win tho either. Way easier to tell other people to lose on purpose and ignore any pride they have.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1239864]How is Landon Collins in the pro-bowl? Might as well put Josh Norman there too.[/quote]

Technically he's not in there yet, but he is 1st alternate. Feels like he's living off name rep on this one.

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After seeing Preston Smith succeed in GB, I'm willing to give some players like Collins a pass and see how they do with a smart and competent DC.

Of course, others like Norman and Nicholson, need to go.

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[quote=mooby;1239862]I'll kick it off with the Pro Bowl rosters:

[url]https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/28313440/2020-nfl-pro-bowl-rosters-afc-nfc-lamar-jackson-leads-picks[/url]

Scherff named reserve, Tress Way finally gets his due.

Landon Collins named 1st alternate, Matty I. named 4th alternate.

(Maybe it's just me, but I think this year's "Pro Bowl is overrated" justification is Matty I. being 4th alternate and Landon Collins being 1st alternate. Matty I. has made way more of an impact at his position than Collins has)[/quote]

I guess we are just going totally ignore our best player and give zero kudos.

Tress Way

Had him on my fantasy team, amazing year.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1239882]After seeing Preston Smith succeed in GB, I'm willing to give some players like Collins a pass and see how they do with a smart and competent DC.

Of course, others like Norman and Nicholson, need to go.

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Agreed. Norman is just too old and slow at this point. Nicholson has been a disappointment, he was very promising when he first came here.

Collins is intriguing to me, early in the season I was very disappointed, missed tackles, over committed, plus I was holding him to high standards after all the offseason talks (superbowlS, the Giants are gonna regret etc...).

But as the season moved on I thought he played better. He sometimes gets beat in coverage but has been a solid contributor in the run game.

I'd like to see him perform under a true DC before deeming him awfully overrated. (Likely not gonna live up to his contract though).

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[quote=calia;1239876]But back to the Giants, I just can’t root for us to lose to an NFCE team. Just can’t. Would love to see dallas and the eagles tie with both fan bases go nuts.


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Same here. Like last week, a competitive loss would be the most rational thing to root for, but I won't hate beating a division rival. It's worth a couple of draft spots IMO.

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Eli's last game at Fed Ex. Send him home with an L.

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[quote=mredskins;1239891]I guess we are just going totally ignore our best player and give zero kudos.

Tress Way

Had him on my fantasy team, amazing year.[/quote]

The whole punt team does pretty well, the gunners are real good at covering the kicks. It is probably by far the best unit on the Redskins.

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[quote=mredskins;1239891]I guess we are just going totally ignore our best player and give zero kudos.

Tress Way

Had him on my fantasy team, amazing year.[/quote]

Did I?

I said "Tress Way finally gets his due"

I'm not sure how much more needs to be said. I'm happy that he's finally getting some recognition.

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[quote=mooby;1239862]I'll kick it off with the Pro Bowl rosters:

[url]https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/28313440/2020-nfl-pro-bowl-rosters-afc-nfc-lamar-jackson-leads-picks[/url]

Scherff named reserve, [B]Tress Way finally gets his due.[/B]

Landon Collins named 1st alternate, Matty I. named 4th alternate.

(Maybe it's just me, but I think this year's "Pro Bowl is overrated" justification is Matty I. being 4th alternate and Landon Collins being 1st alternate. Matty I. has made way more of an impact at his position than Collins has)[/quote]

Yeah it's about time for Tress! It was a shame he didn't get it last year ! I mean he had [URL="https://www.foxsports.com/nfl/stats?season=2018&week=100&category=PUNTING&opp=0&sort=10&qualified=1&sortOrder=0"]51.9% of his punts inside the 20 and 0 touchbacks in 2018[/URL] ! That was even more impressive than this year.

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Biggest “I don’t give a fuck game” of the year.

Want Haskins to play well, no injuries and ultimately lose

Like Sheldon Richardson famously said on snapface locker room game day: “Fuck this game...where the ho’s at”

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A loss would get us closer to a BlueChip player that isn't available later in the first round.
This is the deference between Khalil Mack and Ryan Kerrigan or Julio Jones and Josh Doctson.
It's Young/Jeudy or bust.

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[quote=jamf;1239924]A loss would get us closer to a BlueChip player that isn't available later in the first round.
This is the deference between Khalil Mack and Ryan Kerrigan or Julio Jones and Josh Doctson.
It's Young/Jeudy or bust.[/quote]

Plenty of blue chip players are found outside of the 1st round. No one has been better at wr than Michael Thomas and he is a 2nd round wr.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1239946]Plenty of blue chip players are found outside of the 1st round. No one has been better at wr than Michael Thomas and he is a 2nd round wr.[/quote]
Missing the point.
Top 5 pick should get you an All-Pro position player or franchise QB.

Michael Thomas Draft(2016)
1: Goff
2: Wentz
3: Bosa (DROY)
4: Ewok looking punk in Dallas
5: Ramsey
Bosa, Elliot, and Ramsey are all by far better than the next DE, RB, and CB drafted.


Excluding QBs, there are 3 can't miss blue chip players in the next draft:
Young - OLB/DE
Jeudy - WR
Okudah - CB
These 3 guys will probably be better than anyone else drafted behind them.

This is an opportunity to get an elite can't miss player, they need to take advantage of it.

Also, being in position to draft one of these players gives us significantly more trade value. We might get lucky and have a team mortgage the future for one of these guys. No one does that for 2nd round picks.

Chase Young might be worth 2 #1 picks. We need to be in position to draft him even if we fuck it up and don't draft him.

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Always been a fan of Ryan, happy he’s starting to blossom.

[url]https://www.redskins.com/news/ryan-anderson-has-come-a-long-way[/url]

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1239966]Always been a fan of Ryan, happy he’s starting to blossom.

[url]https://www.redskins.com/news/ryan-anderson-has-come-a-long-way[/url][/quote]

That really was a breakout game for him last week. Really hoping he can carry it over into next year because D still needs a lot of improvement.

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While it's good to see Anderson starting to contribute more on the field, our current defense coaches have shown that they are not able to coach players properly. So at this point, I'm willing to give most defense players including Anderson another chance with new defense coaches.

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[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0wyBca3Xt4[/url]

funny watch

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[quote=jamf;1239924]A loss would get us closer to a BlueChip player that isn't available later in the first round.
This is the deference between Khalil Mack and Ryan Kerrigan or Julio Jones and Josh Doctson.
It's Young/Jeudy or bust.[/quote]

McLaurin looks like he is on the way to being a top notch WR and he was a 3rd rounder and we all know where Tom Brady was drafted.

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[quote=jamf;1239948]Missing the point.
Top 5 pick should get you an All-Pro position player or franchise QB.

Michael Thomas Draft(2016)
1: Goff
2: Wentz
3: Bosa (DROY)
4: Ewok looking punk in Dallas
5: Ramsey
Bosa, Elliot, and Ramsey are all by far better than the next DE, RB, and CB drafted.


Excluding QBs, there are 3 can't miss blue chip players in the next draft:
Young - OLB/DE
Jeudy - WR
Okudah - CB
These 3 guys will probably be better than anyone else drafted behind them.

This is an opportunity to get an elite can't miss player, they need to take advantage of it.

Also, being in position to draft one of these players gives us significantly more trade value. We might get lucky and have a team mortgage the future for one of these guys. No one does that for 2nd round picks.

Chase Young might be worth 2 #1 picks. We need to be in position to draft him even if we fuck it up and don't draft him.[/quote]

True on your post. No disagreement. My point was it ain't make or break if we don't pick in the top 3, the Browns being my example. There are so many great players in this league that were drafted outside of the 1st round entirely. Thomas was one example.

The position that we may need the most is TE. Look at the best guys playing that position, Ertz, Kelce, Kittle, none drafted in the first round.

Look at the Seahawks? They haven't picked in the top 5 of the draft in years. They've turned their entire SB caliber roster over and are still a SB contender.

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[quote=Buffalo Bob;1239995]McLaurin looks like he is on the way to being a top notch WR and he was a 3rd rounder and we all know where Tom Brady was drafted.[/quote]

Brady is the prime example but there are so many others. Also so much of it depends on what organization you're going to. Brady isn't the legend he is if he is taken by the Redskins or Browns. If he is drafted here he's disgruntled and may even be on another team cause he would have forced his way out a la Cousins.

This is why it is so important to get a GM and coach that see things the same way.

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Daniel Jones is taking most of the 1st team reps per radio people.

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[quote=SunnySide;1239998]Daniel Jones is taking most of the 1st team reps per radio people.[/quote]

I thought he was out for the season?

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[quote=GridIron26;1239990]While it's good to see Anderson starting to contribute more on the field, [B]our current defense coaches have shown that they are not able to coach players properly. [/B]So at this point, I'm willing to give most defense players including Anderson another chance with new defense coaches.[/quote]

I would go as far to say that Payne and Allen are being used the wrong way. Allen isn't a 3-4 DE. That is not his best position at all and it's stupid to ever put him at the position. He should be a 4-3 one gap attacking DT. Also Payne should never be used as a 3-4 NT. He's not a Casey Hampton type that is suppose to take on a center and a guard and eat up blocks. Both of those guys should be in positions to attack more and be disruptive. Holcomb should be a sideline to sideline MLB so he is able to use his speed more.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1240000]I would go as far to say that Payne and Allen are being used the wrong way. Allen isn't a 3-4 DE. That is not his best position at all and it's stupid to ever put him at the position. He should be a 4-3 one gap attacking DT. Also Payne should never be used as a 3-4 NT. He's not a Casey Hampton type that is suppose to take on a center and a guard and eat up blocks. Both of those guys should be in positions to attack more and be disruptive. Holcomb should be a sideline to sideline MLB so he is able to use his speed more.[/quote]

Cooley has mentioned this multiple times this season...the current front seven base should operate as a 4-3. Ryan Anderson and Allen would benefit the most from this look...Anderson is prototypical OLB in that set.

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My god the officiating this season has been terrible.

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;1240000]I would go as far to say that Payne and Allen are being used the wrong way. Allen isn't a 3-4 DE. That is not his best position at all and it's stupid to ever put him at the position. He should be a 4-3 one gap attacking DT. Also Payne should never be used as a 3-4 NT. He's not a Casey Hampton type that is suppose to take on a center and a guard and eat up blocks. Both of those guys should be in positions to attack more and be disruptive. Holcomb should be a sideline to sideline MLB so he is able to use his speed more.[/QUOTE]Any play, even one, where those dudes aren't one gapping is a waste of talent.

Any play where Kerrigan or Sweat is covering anybody is a waste. So stupid.



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[quote=DYoungJelly;1240037]Any play, even one, where those dudes aren't one gapping is a waste of talent.

Any play where Kerrigan or Sweat [B]is trying to cover[/B] anybody is a waste. So stupid.



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Fixed it for you. (Not a shot at them, I just think it's absurd to ask them to).

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I’m praying for a switch to the 4-3 so in 5 years or so we can hear about how we need to switch back to a 3-4


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[quote=jamf;1239924]A loss would get us closer to a BlueChip player that isn't available later in the first round.
This is the deference between Khalil Mack and Ryan Kerrigan or Julio Jones and Josh Doctson.
It's Young/Jeudy or bust.[/quote]

This and this only. If we end up getting Young and he becomes Khalil Mack like, no one...NO ONE will be going, yeah he's great and all...but I still wish we'd have beaten the Giants in week 16 back in 2019!! However...we are the Redskins, so even we do get him, he'll probably be the next Preston Smith here...or often injured.

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[quote=MTK;1240039]I’m praying for a switch to the 4-3 so in 5 years or so we can hear about how we need to switch back to a 3-4


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:lol:

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[quote=MTK;1240039]I’m praying for a switch to the 4-3 so in 5 years or so we can hear about how we need to switch back to a 3-4


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the right coach with the right scheme will run a lot of different formations and packages but would also use the players to the best of their potential .... so we'd see both but with the correct people in the right places at the right times

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What a mixed emorions game. The offense clicked last week and I don't want to see a regression against a horrible Giants defense, so I want us to score a ton, but i want Manusky gone, so we need to give up a ton, preferably to Barkely on sceeen passes, not runs up the middle.

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