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With us hiring Ron Rivera, the Cowboys hiring Mike McCarthy, and everyone awaiting word on the NYG new head coach, let's discuss where all the NFC East stands.

I believe that Jerry's hiring of McCarthy was purely reflexive to the Skins hiring Rivera. And I am amazed that McCarthy would choose Dallas over NYG. When you look at the 2 teams, Dallas is about to pay Dak crazy QB money. Elliot is an elite runner, but I think Barkley is better. And most importantly, Gettleman vs JJ as GM. Now maybe JJ promised MM a lot of control, like he did with Parcells, but his history is as bad as DS' is when it comes to control and even as recent as last week JJ said that he was staying on as GM.

So far, I think Pederson still is the top NFC East coach, followed by Rivera, then probably Bienamy if that is who the Giants get, and finally McCarthy.

(If Giants go with Josh McDaniels, than Dallas moves ahead of them)

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I don't understand the hype with Josh McDaniels. He failed already as Broncos head coach, then last year he took the Indy job and backed out for whatever reason. Maybe he realizes he prefers being Brady's coordinator to running a team? Idk, but him flaking on the Colts makes me think he's not mature enough to run a team.

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[quote=mooby;1242177]I don't understand the hype with Josh McDaniels. He failed already as Broncos head coach, then last year he took the Indy job and backed out for whatever reason. Maybe he realizes he prefers being Brady's coordinator to running a team? Idk, but him flaking on the Colts makes me think he's not mature enough to run a team.[/quote]

I don't understand the hype either. O'Brien is the only assistant of Bellichick who has had any success.

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If Jerry stays out of it,McCarthy might make the boyz work,but we got our coach we'll see what the Giants do.

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I think McCarthy could be a good hire, he has a pretty good record both in the regular season and playoffs. Yeah I know it helps when you have Farve and then Rodgers

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[quote=Ruhskins;1242179]I don't understand the hype either. O'Brien is the only assistant of Bellichick who has had any success.[/quote]

Didn't even mention how withered the Belichick coaching tree is but that's another good point.

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1242182]I think McCarthy could be a good hire, he has a pretty good record both in the regular season and playoffs. Yeah I know it helps when you have Farve and then Rodgers[/quote]

One thing's for sure, Dak is either going to sink or swim.

I like McCarthy as a coach, but I hope he keeps the Cowboys swimming in mediocrity.

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[quote=Burgold;1242180]If Jerry stays out of it,McCarthy might make the boyz work,but we got our coach we'll see what the Giants do.[/quote]

Jerry isn't staying out of anything. He said that he was the GM and was staying the GM.

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Nolan is it

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Wade Phillips will not be back with the Rams per Ian Rapoport.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1242216][url]https://1053thefan.radio.com/articles/news/mike-nolan-to-be-cowboys-defensive-coordinator?fbclid=IwAR08cUGMcUrZkRB0psayJ0mVNkMWnckcXmlj2b-b8iQlu5NlurwQcRJi6VE[/url]

Nolan is it[/quote]

Ron Rivera, Jack Del Rio > M McCarthy, Mike Nolan

Not close

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Nolan is it
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McCarthy frustrated the hell out of Packers fans. A friend of mine has been a die hard Packers fan since childhood (WI native), and he complained endlessly about McCarthy, even when they were winning with him (saying that it was despite bad coaching). I think he's a solid albeit unspectacular hire. He will be someone that Jerry can bully, however, and those coaches haven't done so well in Dallas. At all.

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[quote=Chico23231;1242218]Ron Rivera, Jack Del Rio > M McCarthy, Mike Nolan

Not close[/quote]

Is it? What's the measuring stick, Super Bowl titles? Because that's McCarthy 1, Rivera 0 (as a HC, not counting player).

I like our decision to go with Rivera too but are we losing sight of what the ultimate goal is here? It's to win titles.

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[quote=mooby;1242177]I don't understand the hype with Josh McDaniels. He failed already as Broncos head coach, then last year he took the Indy job and backed out for whatever reason. Maybe he realizes he prefers being Brady's coordinator to running a team? Idk, but him flaking on the Colts makes me think he's not mature enough to run a team.[/quote]

I still don't get how you draft Tim Tebow with your 1st round pick. I think some guys like McDaniels, McCarthy, Norv Turner and Pat Schumer are just meant to be coordinators.

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[quote=mooby;1242225]Is it? What's the measuring stick, Super Bowl titles? Because that's McCarthy 1, Rivera 0 (as a HC, not counting player).

I like our decision to go with Rivera too but are we losing sight of what the ultimate goal is here? It's to win titles.[/quote]

His winning percentage is.618 not too shabby. He also helped reinvigorate Farves career. Farve had a ten year gap in making it to the conference championships between 1997 and 2007 despite some great teams and a mediocre NFC during that time. I do think that you are right Dak is either going to sink or swim and if he sinks we will see how much control he has if he is allowed to move on to his QB.

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McCarthy and Dak should be very interesting considering what McCarthy's worked with. This deal came together quickly and wasn't a prolonged scenario as Rivera to us.

[url]https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2020/01/07/it-was-like-love-at-first-sight-between-jerry-jones-and-mike-mccarthy/[/url]

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Apparently Garrett is interviewing with the Giants.

Have to say i find that a little surprising. Can't remember the last time a HC swapped teams in the same division?

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[quote=AnonEmouse;1242264]Apparently Garrett is interviewing with the Giants.

Have to say i find that a little surprising. Can't remember the last time a HC swapped teams in the same division?[/quote]

Belichick from the Jets to the Patriots.

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[quote=Schneed10;1242265]Belichick from the Jets to the Patriots.[/quote]

Well technically you’re right, but does it count when your head coaching tenure is less than 24 hours?

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Giants are hiring Pats Special Teams coach Joe Judge as their new Head coach per ESPN

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Quickie background on NYG coach

[url]https://www.thebiglead.com/posts/joe-judge-new-york-giants-01dy0cnd303s[/url]

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[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;1242267]Giants are hiring Pats Special Teams coach Joe Judge as their new Head coach per ESPN[/QUOTE]I like special teams coach to head coach transitions. A lot will depend on his OC and DC.

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[quote=AnonEmouse;1242264]Apparently Garrett is interviewing with the Giants.

Have to say i find that a little surprising. Can't remember the last time a HC swapped teams in the same division?[/quote]

Could you 100% trust Garrett? Seems like he is a Cowboy4Life.

Hard to judge Garrett. Didnt he have his play calling duties stripped from him a few years ago and a new guy was calling plays this year?

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[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;1242267]Giants are hiring Pats Special Teams coach Joe Judge as their new Head coach per ESPN[/QUOTE]


Who lol



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Judge spent the past eight seasons with the Patriots. The 38-year-old began working on Bill Belichick's staff as a special teams assistant in 2012 before being promoted to special teams coordinator in 2015. He added wide receivers coach to his list of responsibilities this season.

Before working with the Patriots, Judge was a special teams assistant under Nick Saban at Alabama.

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[quote=MTK;1242272]Who lol



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I gotta hand it to Gettleman, they've had Matt Rule circle as there no 1 for awhile and was too slow in moving. There were rumors weeks ago, they were worried about Dallas getting him.

Gotta give it to Dan Snyder, he researched and found there number 1 and moved quickly.

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Of the five head coach openings at the end of the season, three were in the NFC East. At this point, only Cleveland remains open and they have their choice of the remaining potential HC's

Washington: Ron Rivera
Dallas: Mike McCarthy
Carolina: Matt Rhule
NY Giants: Joe Judge

One minority candidate hired (Rivera); Two NFL coaches in their 2nd stint as a HC (Rivera, McCarthy); One former college head coach (Rhule); One former coordinator (Joe Judge).

I think the strongest hires are the Rivera and McCarthy hires and, because of Del Rio as DC, I give the edge to Rivera. Time will tell if it Rodgers was responsible for McCarthy's success or if McCarthy enhanced Rogers ability to succeed. I am hopeful it is the former, but have a feeling it is the latter.

Rhule, who knows, college coaches have a tough time in the NFL. There have been successes, most recently Harbaugh and Pete Carroll but it seems to me that they fail more often then they succeed. Not sure Rhule is of the same ilk as Caroll and Harbaugh, but my guess is that he is not. IMHO, seems like there were other college coaches more qualified to make the leap.

Joe Judge, another who knows, as they only entry so far without ANY HC experience, there really is no track record on the guy. He may be the next Joe Gibbs or the next Josh McDaniels. Seems like a pretty random hire to me.

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Looks like the Bruce Allen of the North strikes again. #Gettleman

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[quote=Ruhskins;1242279]Looks like the Bruce Allen of the North strikes again. #Gettleman

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Giants now are trying to say Matt Rhule was never their guy, they had a deal in the works last night with....check google again....Joe Judge?

In a very Bruce move they are snubbing interest Rhule, saying oh no Joe Judge was their guy all along...

give me a fucking break...

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Rhule coached OL under Coughlin, so is he truly just a college coach?

I wonder if the college/pro thing is maybe more about whether they have pro experience or not, whether as a coach or player. Maybe just my impression but I get the feeling if a coach has pro experience, particularly as a player, he can make the transition easier than a college only coach. That said, Petitbon, Spurrier and Zorn all had pro playing experience, so maybe I'm way off base! :)

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1242281]Giants now are trying to say Matt Rhule was never their guy, they had a deal in the works last night with....check google again....Joe Judge?



In a very Bruce move they are snubbing interest Rhule, saying oh no Joe Judge was their guy all along...



give me a fucking break...[/QUOTE]Well Rhule apparently got a 7yr 70 million contract. Pretty expensive commitment for an unproven NFL head coach hire.

What a chance for Snyder to become the wizard of the NFC East owners. 3 miserable teams with owners looking to turn around their franchises. Probable Franchise QBs in place, all 3 knew (or should have known) their current coach was out at the end of the season. Fans will have 5 solid years to judge how thw choices ownership made.

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[QUOTE=AnonEmouse;1242282]Rhule coached OL under Coughlin, so is he truly just a college coach?



I wonder if the college/pro thing is maybe more about whether they have pro experience or not, whether as a coach or player. Maybe just my impression but I get the feeling if a coach has pro experience, particularly as a player, he can make the transition easier than a college only coach. That said, Petitbon, Spurrier and Zorn all had pro playing experience, so maybe I'm way off base! :)[/QUOTE]The difference between college and pro is tied to how much control you have in the players lives. College coaches have near complete say over everything an athlete eats drinks and sleeps. An NFL coach has to deal with established veterans many who make way more then the HC.

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[quote=MTK;1242272]Who lol



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I hear you but i felt the same when John Harbuagh was hired. You just never know.

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[quote=mredskins;1242288]I hear you but i felt the same when John Harbuagh was hired. You just never know.[/quote]

+1

I thought the Harbaugh hire was unimpressive too. Shows how much I know.

The Matt Rhule contract is pure insanity for a college HC with no NFL experience though. Anything less than contending every year and he's not worth that price, plus he's setting back future HC contracts a lot.

Article i saw on MSN said Joe Judge was mentored by Belichick and Saban. Sounds nice on paper, but Belichick's coaching tree has never had major NFL success.

The biggest thing that concerns me about the McCarthy hire is how much he spent time learning about analytics after the Packers fired him. He's going to give Dallas a 14 person analytics dept. from what I hear. The key is whether the info coming out of that dept. gets translated to the coaching staff in a manner that allows the team to excel. If McCarthy brushes off the analytics staff they will be a waste of money. For our sake I hope it's the latter lol, analytics can be huge if they're used properly.

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The Rhule hire smacks of Spurrier and Chip Kelly hires. Specifically with Spurrier it is a new owner thinking the hot college coach can just walk in and make that transition.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1242306]The Rhule hire smacks of Spurrier and Chip Kelly hires. Specifically with Spurrier it is a new owner thinking the hot college coach can just walk in and make that transition.

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And the Joe Judge hire happened because no one wants to work for the Bruce Allen of the North.

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[quote=AnonEmouse;1242282]Rhule coached OL under Coughlin, so is he truly just a college coach?

I wonder if the college/pro thing is maybe more about whether they have pro experience or not, whether as a coach or player. Maybe just my impression but I get the feeling if a coach has pro experience, particularly as a player, he can make the transition easier than a college only coach. That said, Petitbon, Spurrier and Zorn all had pro playing experience, so maybe I'm way off base! :)[/quote]

I agree about the NFL experience. Which is why I question the Rhule hiring. Yes, he coached in the NFL - for one year, as an assistant to the Offensive Line coach in 2012. Not sure this qualifies as the type of NFL experience that leads to success.

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[QUOTE=mredskins;1242288]I hear you but i felt the same when John Harbuagh was hired. You just never know.[/QUOTE]


For every Harbaugh there are several Jim Zorns



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[quote=Schneed10;1242265]Belichick from the Jets to the Patriots.[/quote]

I don't know if you can really call Belichick a head coach that switched teams in a division. He never coached a game there.