The McNabb trade: 10 years later
 

Wow, it's been that long...

[URL="https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2020/04/12/the-donovan-mcnabb-trade-10-years-later/"]The Donovan McNabb trade, 10 years later[/URL]

Still kind of hard to believe it worked out so poorly, big props to Andy Reid though, McNabb may not have had half the career he did if he was drafted by someone else

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I remember being excited...but this set the tone for Bruce Allen tenureship as GM. Just a complete debacle

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The fact that Reid was willing to trade McNabb inside the division tells you he knew McNabb was done. Yet here was Bruce and Dan looking like stupid suckers willing to take that bait.

Dan Snyder has picked Jeff George, Ramsey, McNabb and Griffin. Those were QB's he was directly involved in picking. That's 0-4. Now we got Haskins...

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I remember reading an article that talked about how Shanahan wanted Marc Bulger but Snyder wanted McNabb because he thought he could sell more McNabb jerseys than Bulger jerseys. If it was any team but the Skins that would seem ridiculous but for the Skins its totally believable.

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[quote=Chico23231;1249217]I remember being excited...but this set the tone for Bruce Allen tenureship as GM. Just a complete debacle[/quote]

Went and got a #5 jersey and all that... Was a disaster.

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[quote=irish;1249220]I remember reading an article that talked about how Shanahan wanted Marc Bulger but Snyder wanted McNabb because he thought he could sell more McNabb jerseys than Bulger jerseys. If it was any team but the Skins that would seem ridiculous but for the Skins its totally believable.[/quote]

There is no secret that Dan has picked quite a few of our past QBs

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1249225]There is no secret that Dan has picked quite a few of our past QBs[/quote]

The secret isn't that DS picked the Skins QB, its that he picked the QB based on projected jersey sales rather than ability.

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Well Shanahan ultimately signed off on the deal for McNabb, had he strongly resisted who knows what may have happened.

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[quote=MTK;1249230]Well Shanahan ultimately signed off on the deal for McNabb, had he strongly resisted who knows what may have happened.[/quote]
he'd prolly have been replaced haha

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[QUOTE=Meks;1249244]he'd prolly have been replaced haha[/QUOTE]


Better to go out that way than having to coach players you don’t want

Here’s to hoping Rivera has a stronger backbone


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There were some moments early into that season where it was like, wow we finally have a REAL QB in there now...but then....kablooie.

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The Walrus pulled a fast one on Ole Mr. Burns.

McNabb was awful here and he bitched for years afterwards like it wasn't his fault. Nah bruh, you sucked!!!

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I am putting this here mainly because it's about QB's no longer here, but can you believe KC actually said that playing without fans would be kind of refreshing...
[url]https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2020/04/14/kirk-cousins-games-without-fans-would-kind-of-be-refreshing/?partner=Yahoo[/url]

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Kirk is just an annoying dude. Like why the fuck would u say that?

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Looks worse in print than what he meant


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Getting McNabb was just another Snyder-type, bone-headed move. Bring in a (former) good or very good player, but who now was on the far downside of their career - no longer very good or even good. Donovan was just another guy in the Snyder-era coming here just to “cash out” using Redskin’s money.

There was a strategic plan, perfected by GEORGE Allen in the ‘70’s, to use older FA to build a team. They had older guys who worked together and could win. Unfortunately, trying a similar plan was a total flop from the 1990’s, right when Snyder took over the team. I’m a little fuzzy on the average age of George Allen’s “Over the Hill Gang” FA players, but I don’t think it was a program built with players on their last legs - with just one or two seasons left. Between the 1970’s and when Snyder bought the team, the NFL changed by getting younger, stronger and faster. Few players make it past 10 years.

It has taken 20 years for Snyder to figure out that he needs a coach to create a winning culture and mostly using players who came to the team through the draft. Even most of the FA brought in now are under 30 years old. Only a couple “old timers” like AP are used - and even those guys MUST have some juice in the tank, as well as being good examples and mentors to the young guys. McNabb wasn’t one of those guys.


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I remember driving home from my wife's house (then girlfriend at the time) and hearing about the McNabb trade on the radio. I called my best friend and told him about it, he thought i was joking.

I remember being excited because i thought that McNabb had enough juice left in the tank that he would be competent for a few seasons. Boy was i wrong. I remember him having like one good game, and then just basically sucking.

And Donovan was beyond shot at the point that he arrived here. Good for Andy Reid for fleecing us. He knew that McNabb was washed up by that point. If I recall correctly, McNabb got one more shot in Minnesota, but he still sucked, so he was cut, and that was the end of his career.

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Someone willing to trade his QB within a division should send up a huge red flag.

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You'd think , of course Dan Snyder is a like a bull, he charges straight at red flags

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[QUOTE=EdmundDorf;1249670]You'd think , of course Dan Snyder is a like a bull, he charges straight at red flags[/QUOTE]Dan was desperate, Mcnabb was just another Band-Aid.. RG3 was supposed to be the savior... Man we've made some Awful QB moves

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1249743]Dan was desperate, Mcnabb was just another Band-Aid.. RG3 was supposed to be the savior... Man we've made some Awful QB moves

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And we have been so so close in the draft to at least two HOF'ers ...

1983, Marino fell all the way to the second to last pick Miami ... we took Darrell Green in the last pick of that first round, which was awesome. But can you imagine Joe Gibbs with Dan Marino??? And there's no reason to think Green wouldn't have fallen to us in the second round too. That would have been all time home run ...

2005, Aaron Rodgers falls all the way to Green Bay at 24. We picked Jason Campbell at 25. (And chose Carlos Rogers at 9 earlier that round, to be fair).


What could have been ...

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[QUOTE=Pervis_Griffith;1249744]And we have been so so close in the draft to at least two HOF'ers ...



1983, Marino fell all the way to the second to last pick Miami ... we took Darrell Green in the last pick of that first round, which was awesome. But can you imagine Joe Gibbs with Dan Marino??? And there's no reason to think Green wouldn't have fallen to us in the second round too. That would have been all time home run ...



2005, Aaron Rodgers falls all the way to Green Bay at 24. We picked Jason Campbell at 25. (And chose Carlos Rogers at 9 earlier that round, to be fair).





What could have been ...[/QUOTE]Wilson instead of Rg3/Kirk.

Notice the trend? Lol

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1249746]Wilson instead of Rg3/Kirk.

Notice the trend? Lol

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So we shouldn't draft QB's in the top 5 - 10 ...

Sorry Tua.

lol

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[QUOTE=Pervis_Griffith;1249748]So we shouldn't draft QB's in the top 5 - 10 ...



Sorry Tua.



lol[/QUOTE]Haha yes

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[QUOTE=Pervis_Griffith;1249744]And we have been so so close in the draft to at least two HOF'ers ...

1983, Marino fell all the way to the second to last pick Miami ... we took Darrell Green in the last pick of that first round, which was awesome. But can you imagine Joe Gibbs with Dan Marino??? And there's no reason to think Green wouldn't have fallen to us in the second round too. That would have been all time home run ...

2005, Aaron Rodgers falls all the way to Green Bay at 24. We picked Jason Campbell at 25. (And chose Carlos Rogers at 9 earlier that round, to be fair).


What could have been ...[/QUOTE]


Dan Marino or Aaron Rodgers. Excellent recounting of the HUGE draft misses of that era . Both of those QB’s are/were great and had long careers of winning football.

I remember when we had Jason Campbell - he would have occasional flashes of brilliance but couldn’t carry the team or win the close games. Just good enough to make the team give him a few more games to try to see if he was the franchise leader we needed. We have had a terrible record of drafting QB, with our first pick, since the early 1990’s: Shuler, Ramsey, Campbell, RG3. All total busts, except RG3’s rookie year.

I think Haskins will be a winner if he is supported with the missing pieces to the OL and TE and WR.


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[quote=Warthog;1249751]Dan Marino or Aaron Rodgers. Excellent recounting of the HUGE draft misses of that era . Both of those QB’s are/were great and had long careers of winning football.

I remember when we had Jason Campbell - he would have occasional flashes of brilliance but couldn’t carry the team or win the close games. Just good enough to make the team give him a few more games to try to see if he was the franchise leader we needed. We have had a terrible record of drafting QB, with our first pick, since the early 1990’s: Shuler, Ramsey, Campbell, RG3.

I think Haskins will be a winner if he is supported with the missing pieces to the OL and TE and WR.


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We never had a chance at Marino .. the only team to not have a chance.

But we clearly chose the wrong Rogers at pick 9 ... Carlos over Aaron. Not that we woulda done much WITH Aaron. But maybe.

Our track record with first round QB draftees is a bit worrisome for Haskins. I am hoping for the best and like others here, found his last couple games encouraging, minus the posing for victory selfies with fans ....

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The Redskins haven't had a franchise QB since Theismann and he retired 35 years ago.

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[QUOTE=Buffalo Bob;1249753]The Redskins haven't had a franchise QB since Theismann and he retired 35 years ago.[/QUOTE]


That’s about right.


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I bet you could look at 10-15 teams that this also applies to, or at least in part. The curious thing is, with all the expertise that theoretically should be out there in the scouting/GM space, so many teams still seem to trip themselves up with high picks, especially QB. I mean at the time would everyone really have turned their noses up at the likes of Leaf, Schuler, Russell etc.? I doubt it.

I just struggle to fathom how this process fails so (relatively) often. With all the time and money invested...

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[quote=AnonEmouse;1249756]I bet you could look at 10-15 teams that this also applies to, or at least in part. The curious thing is, with all the expertise that theoretically should be out there in the scouting/GM space, so many teams still seem to trip themselves up with high picks, especially QB. I mean at the time would everyone really have turned their noses up at the likes of Leaf, Schuler, Russell etc.? I doubt it.

I just struggle to fathom how this process fails so (relatively) often. With all the time and money invested...[/quote]

I posted about this one time years ago, how were all of those busts able to fool scouts, NFL GM's, etc...

The answer i was given at the time was that the teams, etc. were aware of the risks and the high probability of failure, but the talent was seen as so immense and rare that it was worth the risk. Take Jamarcus Russell for example. He had arm talent that didn't seem humanly possible. The only other player i have seen in my life with his equivalent arm strength was Jeff George. Looking back on them now, both are considered busts, but i will argue that George had a more successful NFL career.

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Part of the draft failure for the Redskins over the last 20 years is that we’ve had TERRIBLE GM’s in that time. Neither Cerrato nor Allen had much football sense, nor did they have ANY NFL personnel expertise. Any players they drafted and that’s succeeded were due to blind luck. I remember some drafts where fourth, fifth and below draft picks never even made it through TC.

Cerrato & Allen were there to hold Snyder’s hand and to allow Dan to stick his grubby little fingers into the football operation, of which HE ALSO has very limited NFL knowledge.

I was a little surprised that Kyle Smith was able to rise up, regarding his advice in choosing draft picks, because Allen’s usual tactic was to crush anyone who appeared smarter than him or had any success regarding football decisions for the team. I guess Allen finally figured out that he needed to start making some correct draft and FA decisions, since it wasn’t just good enough to “win off the field”.

I hope that Rivera promotes Kyle Smith to GM because he does an outstanding ability to find gems in the bottom of the draft and undrafted free agents (UDFA). I’m excited to see who he picks up this draft, since we have some real holes to fill after we draft Chase Young.


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I made my first trip to a training camp to see McNabb. I bought into the hype too after rooting against him so hard for years.

What a disaster. He and Haynesworth were the two worst decisions our team ever made.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1249746]Wilson instead of Rg3/Kirk.

Notice the trend? Lol

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I always regretted letting Trent Green go. He played great with Kansas City after us.

Chase Daniel would have been handy to keep too. Then we would not have had to roll with the likes of John Beck, Mark Sanchez and Josh Johnson when we needed a backup to step in.

I don't regret the Rex Grossman years, they were entertaining.

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I was at McNabb's last game starting before he got benched. Shitty game against the Bucs in the pouring rain, McNabb ties the game in the last 2 min only for the extra point (which actually would've tied the game 17-17) bounce off the upright LOL. He was benched the next week, which IIRC was like 2 weeks after signing that contract extension with us.

Just a total shitshow, which unfortunately sums up most of the last 10 years.

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[quote=irish;1249220]I remember reading an article that talked about how Shanahan wanted Marc Bulger but Snyder wanted McNabb because he thought he could sell more McNabb jerseys than Bulger jerseys. If it was any team but the Skins that would seem ridiculous but for the Skins its totally believable.[/quote]

LMAO, Bulger was absolute garbage. 5-30 in his last 3 seasons and threw more INTs than TDS. We probably would have gone 0-16 with Bulger. I’d be scared that Snyder could pick a better QB without trying than Shanahan could WITH trying...