Will Snyder be pushed out?
 

Matty if this seems like an unnecessary thread because it is being discussed in other ones than 86 it. I think it is one of the bigger developments of the past 25 years and should have its own. Ill start the bidding with a resounding YES! He is ultimately responsible for the team, and especially the front office where this occurred. Couple that with his track record and I think he is an extremely bad look for the NFL.

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No he will stay.

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As much as I want to see Snyder removed as the owner, i feel this is not what will do it.

I think we have to wait and see if any more news comes out on Dan and the other stuff that was allegedly going on there. So many people had said that yesterday's news was just scratching the surface of all that was going on.

So we will see. If more stuff comes out that directly implicates Dan, then yes, but if this is all there is, i would think at worst we would be punished by losing a 1st round pick, and perhaps Dan himself is fined. I am curious as to what the NFL will do, i see the story is now mentioned on NFL.com.

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Not from this. He wasn't directly involved even though it did happen under his supervision.

I also don't think the owners will force action on simply having this culture in his office because many other teams likely have the same problem and they do not want to set the precedent.

It's very disappointing but I think he'll need to make the decision to sell on his own. I do foresee some pressure from sponsors, but it might not be enough to force him out.

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Too early to say.

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I hate Snyder and what he has maliciously done to this franchise. I want him gone

That said, I can’t see how this scandal is enough to have him remove. I don’t think his actions/inaction warrant his dismissal.

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Firing Mann and Santos before the story came out actually does help Snyder's case quite a bit. I doubt Larry Michael had planned to retire.

I don't know how much Snyder is even in the Redskins Park offices. If he's like most CEOs, he's rarely in the office and spends most of his waking hours meeting with prospective partners and government officials.

I AM NOT letting him off the hook. He is ultimately responsible for who works there.

There have been reports that Bruce Allen witnessed a woman crying at her desk after feeling harassed and did not even acknowledge it. He likely knew everything going on.

Again, I'm not excusing it, but this is likely Snyder's side of the story.

What I'm curious about...were any of these offenses ever reported to Human Resources or if that wasn't an option the women thought would help, to the Department of Labor before they went to lawyers and the media? Paper trails are important to validate these kinds of claims.

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It Allen talks maybe

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1255733]It Allen talks maybe[/quote]

I doubt it, he's out of the franchise and would only implicate himself by talking. He's at the moment "safe" from this.

That doesn't mean others will talk and pull him into the fire.

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[quote=Monkeydad;1255731]Firing Mann and Santos before the story came out actually does help Snyder's case quite a bit. [B]I doubt Larry Michael had planned to retire.[/B]

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I don't know how NDA work in terms of firing vs retiring. I imagine a fired person is going to say GFOH. I think Larry knows too much so he "retired" to sign a NDA to prevent the heads above from rolling.

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If Snyder was your run of the mill owner (i.e. Khan, Blank, etc., etc.), my answer would be no.

But given all the headaches he's given the league and he's not popular with his peers, it would not surprise me if he's pushed out.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1255737]If Snyder was your run of the mill owner (i.e. Khan, Blank, etc., etc.), my answer would be no.

But given all the headaches he's given the league and he's not popular with his peers, it would not surprise me if he's pushed out.[/quote]

Making horrible football and business decisions doesn't factor into this.

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[quote=Monkeydad;1255731]Firing Mann and Santos before the story came out actually does help Snyder's case quite a bit. I doubt Larry Michael had planned to retire.

I don't know how much Snyder is even in the Redskins Park offices. If he's like most CEOs, he's rarely in the office and spends most of his waking hours meeting with prospective partners and government officials.

I AM NOT letting him off the hook. He is ultimately responsible for who works there.

There have been reports that Bruce Allen witnessed a woman crying at her desk after feeling harassed and did not even acknowledge it. He likely knew everything going on.

Again, I'm not excusing it, but this is likely Snyder's side of the story.

What I'm curious about...were any of these offenses ever reported to Human Resources or if that wasn't an option the women thought would help, to the Department of Labor before they went to lawyers and the media? Paper trails are important to validate these kinds of claims.[/quote]

Are you on reddit at all? There is a mega-thread on the r/redskins subreddit that is all about everything that is going on. There was a guy on there who wished to remain anonymous, but said that Larry Michael is a family friend and for many years they witnessed him being lewd & inappropriate at public functions and always wondered how he never faced consequences. He was described as not just being your "dirty old man" type person, but someone who was genuinely creepy and concerning with his words and actions.

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Not on Reddit.


Here's an opinion on the topic:
[url]https://redskinswire.usatoday.com/2020/07/16/dan-snyder-potential-sell-of-washington/[/url]


And on punishment from the league:
[url]https://redskinswire.usatoday.com/2020/07/17/washington-potential-disciplie-nfl/[/url]

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[quote=Monkeydad;1255731]Firing Mann and Santos before the story came out actually does help Snyder's case quite a bit. I doubt Larry Michael had planned to retire.

I don't know how much Snyder is even in the Redskins Park offices. If he's like most CEOs, he's rarely in the office and spends most of his waking hours meeting with prospective partners and government officials.

I AM NOT letting him off the hook. He is ultimately responsible for who works there.

[B]There have been reports that Bruce Allen witnessed a woman crying at her desk after feeling harassed and did not even acknowledge it. He likely knew everything going on.[/B]

Again, I'm not excusing it, but this is likely Snyder's side of the story.

What I'm curious about...were any of these offenses ever reported to Human Resources or if that wasn't an option the women thought would help, to the Department of Labor before they went to lawyers and the media? Paper trails are important to validate these kinds of claims.[/quote]

I have seen folks crying at their desk before; unless i saw what caused them to be upset i leave them alone. I doubt BA wants to put himself in a situation where he has to listen to a sad story about her latest break up. Some folks are drama queens too, i have worked with a few that cry about everything.

Now if she came too BA and said this this and this is going please help me and he ignored her, different story.

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Haaaaaaaaaa,we know darn well that Danny ain't goin nowhere,ol boys network...simple as that.

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[quote=SolidSnake84;1255740]Are you on reddit at all? There is a mega-thread on the r/redskins subreddit that is all about everything that is going on. There was a guy on there who wished to remain anonymous, but said that Larry Michael is a family friend and for many years they witnessed him being lewd & inappropriate at public functions and always wondered how he never faced consequences. He was described as not just being your "dirty old man" type person, but someone who was genuinely creepy and concerning with his words and actions.[/quote]

Maybe it was just his appearance with the slicked back hair, but he always struck me as a slimy kind of guy and this didn't shock me.

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Ultimately, yes. I think what we've heard so far is just the tip of the iceberg.

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This is no different then the Mark Cuban/ Mavs thing few years back, it all blew over in a week. honestly the redskins were head of it by releasing/ retirement of all mentioned in the article. Plus they hired that internal review lawyer.

This is basically over and two weeks from now will be no news.

Sadly what deflated the severity of all this was all the rampant rumors blowing around; everyone was set for some giant Epstein bomb type thing and it ends up being cat calling and ass grabbing; certainly bad behavior but not headline grabbing news (no pun intended).

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Like Cuban did, Snyder needs to face the music and hold a presser and answer the tough questions. He won't though.

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No I don’t think this reaches far enough up to DS for the league to step in. I imagine it’s scare the crap out of the other 31 owners if they started eating their own for things done by their staff. Hell robert Kraft still hasn’t been punished for the hand job and denial. Or has he and it was a slap in the wrist during covid?

This just makes it even more embarrassing for us as fans.

FBI - I don’t see why they would be involved in dudes acting creepy, I didn’t see any physical contact or pubes on a coke can stuff that makes it go beyond words

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Isn't there an owner meeting coming up? Who do you think he sends in his place now that Allen can't attend them?

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[quote=MTK;1255755]Like Cuban did, Snyder needs to face the music and hold a presser and answer the tough questions. He won't though.[/quote]

Oh god it was soooooooo awkward just him introducing RR that one time.

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[quote=mredskins;1255753]This is no different then the Mark Cuban/ Mavs thing few years back, it all blew over in a week. honestly the redskins were head of it by releasing/ retirement of all mentioned in the article. Plus they hired that internal review lawyer.

This is basically over and two weeks from now will be no news.

Sadly what deflated the severity of all this was all the rampant rumors blowing around; everyone was set for some giant Epstein bomb type thing and it ends up being cat calling and ass grabbing; certainly bad behavior but not headline grabbing news (no pun intended).[/quote]

And you think Snyder as an owner is viewed the same way as Cuban?

Also, when you downplay the severity of this, you're down playing sexual harassment and the terrible things these women went through. I don't get this reaction from people all over Twitter: "Oh bummer, it's just sexual harassment." :doh: :doh: :doh: :doh:

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The Mavs story was much worse...wasn’t it?

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[QUOTE=MTK;1255727]Too early to say.[/QUOTE]



You are right, but the mere thought of this being debatable in an otherwise awful year was just too fuzzy and warm to ignore.....

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[quote=Ruhskins;1255761]And you think Snyder as an owner is viewed the same way as Cuban?

Also, when you downplay the severity of this, you're down playing sexual harassment and the terrible things these women went through. I don't get this reaction from people all over Twitter: "Oh bummer, it's just sexual harassment." :doh: :doh: :doh: :doh:[/quote]

I think the people that are downplaying it are not realizing that they are playing down what happened to the women, they are disappointed because they know that nothing will happen to Dan or the organization, after being led to believe for days that we were going to find out about what some people called the biggest scandal ever in professional sports.

When it hit home that Dan and the organization will be fine, nothing will change, and we keep on being par for our course, people were let down and their emotions and reactions unfortunately downplayed the hellish work environment that the women were exposed to. I don't feel people downplayed them on purpose, if they could go back and think about everything again.

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Not necessarily. A lot of people realize it's a serious accusation.

The media's apocalyptic claims are what created the big letdown...business as usual for them.

You can be both relieved about it not being more and also realize the severity of what DID happen and not be a bad person.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1255761]And you think Snyder as an owner is viewed the same way as Cuban?

Also, when you downplay the severity of this, you're down playing sexual harassment and the terrible things these women went through. I don't get this reaction from people all over Twitter: "Oh bummer, it's just sexual harassment." :doh: :doh: :doh: :doh:[/quote]

I am not down playing it. Those involved lost their jobs and no one should be harassed.

WRONG WAS DONE. Now what is the punishment? If you are waiting for a town hall where all three are hung and we cheer like the folks of Salem you are going to be disappointed.

If i did this in my workplace I be fired, then most likely divorced, victim may get a peace order against me and/or civil lawsuit criminal offense charge. WHAT everyone was looking for was this giant BOMB of news that ousted Danny Boy. Everyone wanted the nuke and got a grenade instead. So you get this " oh it was only sexual harassment".

I most definitely sympathize with the 15 victims if their story is true and i believe the system owes them justice but what happen to them is a far cry from say the Epstein victims.

Also, don't think that there aren't females/males out there that use their sexual attractiveness for advancement as well; this is why i have a hard time feeling bad for the Mann victim who clearly looked like she was using her ass as bait to get a sandwich.

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One could only hope. I doubt he is going anywhere. He wasn't directly involved in anything except being unprofessional and an asshole to his executives. That won't be enough to remove him. The media is talking draft picks as punishment. That would suck. The best punishment would be to suspend Snyder from the team for a year. That is probably the outcome we can hope for. Let Ron establish his culture w/out any interference from Dan.

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[quote=Monkeydad;1255768]Not necessarily. A lot of people realize it's a serious accusation.

The media's apocalyptic claims are what created the big letdown...business as usual for them.

You can be both relived about it not being more and also realize the severity of what DID happen and not be a bad person.[/quote]

Cryptic media bullshitting everyone days b4 this is release was typical fake news that is somehow acceptable to our society.

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[quote=Monkeydad;1255768]Not necessarily. A lot of people realize it's a serious accusation.

[B]The media's apocalyptic claims are what created the big letdown...business as usual for them.
[/B]
You can be both relieved about it not being more and also realize the severity of what DID happen and not be a bad person.[/quote]

Thank you.

Hate to quote our president but "fake news" prime example here.

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[QUOTE=Ruhskins;1255737]If Snyder was your run of the mill owner (i.e. Khan, Blank, etc., etc.), my answer would be no.



But given all the headaches he's given the league and he's not popular with his peers, it would not surprise me if he's pushed out.[/QUOTE]



This is my hope. Any other owner would be facing disciplinary action in the way of losing picks fines etc, but this guy isn’t going to have any friends when push comes to shove. I really think his past actions of firing people is going to come back to haunt him. The recent firings aren’t going to be looked at like “hey he heard about what was going on and did the right thing”. It is going to be “this guy was trying to keep this on the DL and knew and didn’t want it to come out”. It will boil down to when did he know, and if it comes to light that he knew all along that is severe enough to warrant his removal imo.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1255761]And you think Snyder as an owner is viewed the same way as Cuban?

Also, when you downplay the severity of this, you're down playing sexual harassment and the terrible things these women went through. I don't get this reaction from people all over Twitter: "Oh bummer, it's just sexual harassment." :doh: :doh: :doh: :doh:[/quote]

I think people are downplaying the severity of this because a lot of us wanted it to be bad enough to force Dan out. I personally am not seeing that.

Yes it's still despicable that this has been going on inside the Redskins organization for almost 2 decades now. But it's not surprising based on old history. We should not be minimizing the trauma the girls suffered, but the reality is most of us work in similar conditions. I've had coworkers get transferred out for sexually harassing women from other departments (my department itself is 95% men inside the shops, and there's about 10-15 women who work at the government center who we only interact with on the phone or email).

It's a shame they had to tolerate what they did, but what's the solution? The employees responsible have been fired/retired, reform is coming, the HR department will grow, Ron has already said his door is open to everyone, the victims involved will receive settlements (if they haven't already) and hopefully with time and whatever help they need will have found a suitable work environment.

Beth Wilkinson will put out a report detailing exactly the failures, somebody will get the blame (I'm sure Snyder mostly because he runs the ship), Snyder will say what he's done to improve the culture, the NFL will give him a fine at minimum, or force him out at maximum (the real question is have the other owners had enough? Or do they not want their own dirty laundry uncovered?). At the end of the day, everybody will still move on. This doesn't feel like the final nail in Snyder's coffin though.

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[quote=mooby;1255776]i think people are downplaying the severity of this because a lot of us wanted it to be bad enough to force dan out. I personally am not seeing that.

Yes it's still despicable that this has been going on inside the redskins organization for almost 2 decades now. But it's not surprising based on old history. We should not be minimizing the trauma the girls suffered, but the reality is most of us work in similar conditions. I've had coworkers get transferred out for sexually harassing women from other departments (my department itself is 95% men inside the shops, and there's about 10-15 women who work at the government center who we only interact with on the phone or email).

It's a shame they had to tolerate what they did, but what's the solution? The employees responsible have been fired/retired, reform is coming, the hr department will grow, ron has already said his door is open to everyone, the victims involved will receive settlements (if they haven't already) and hopefully with time and whatever help they need will have found a suitable work environment.

Beth wilkinson will put out a report detailing exactly the failures, somebody will get the blame (i'm sure snyder mostly because he runs the ship), snyder will say what he's done to improve the culture, the nfl will give him a fine at minimum, or force him out at maximum (the real question is have the other owners had enough? Or do they not want their own dirty laundry uncovered?). At the end of the day, everybody will still move on. This doesn't feel like the final nail in snyder's coffin though.[/quote]

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[quote=Monkeydad;1255768]Not necessarily. A lot of people realize it's a serious accusation.

The media's apocalyptic claims are what created the big letdown...business as usual for them.

You can be both relieved about it not being more and also realize the severity of what DID happen and not be a bad person.[/quote]

You know what's funny (not really)?

I got burnt by this media guy who worked in the DC market at some point.

[IMG]https://i.redd.it/20w4du4qb5b51.png[/IMG]

Apparently he works for Tucker Carlson now and before that worked for Cambridge Analytica (the sheisty group that was running fake news on FB to influence the 2016 election in Trump's favor).

So yeah, I agree, there was definitely certain media members out there who either exaggerated the story for personal gain or ran with unverifiable parts.

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I believe it depends on the extent of the NFL's investigation, no matter how you slice it the league has to be embarrassed by the consistent turmoil this team brings every yr. There are plenty of rumors out there from legit insiders with the team but until a formal report comes out naming Snyder, I don't see him leaving this yr

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For those that are "disappointed" perhaps you should be more careful of which media members you follow and believe.

IMO, a lot of the people that I follow and trust (Keim, Julie Donaldson, JP, Michael Phillips) didn't hype this up as others did. I think Phillips was basically telling people, stop getting hyped up.

Also, perhaps some media folks were reacting to the fact that not only were female Redskins employees being harassed, but also two members of the media. Now I get Julie Donaldson's "sad and disappointing" comment she made regarding this.

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[quote=Chico23231;1255771]Cryptic media bullshitting everyone days b4 this is release was typical fake news that is somehow acceptable to our society.[/quote]


typical anti media BS.

Julie Donaldsons tweet was spot on and not her story to break.
WE the fans ran wild with speculation.

This is on us and our need for TMZ style breaking news.

WaPo report was well written and released properly.