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What position battles are you most interested to see play out and which looks like it's a lock?
1)QB is a lock...Wentz
2)RB with AG as the Bell cow is a lock
3)Starting WR"s should be Mclaurin Samuel Datson
4)The Dline is a lock at starters Sweat Allen Payne Young if he is ready week 1
All the other units playing time and depth chart standing is up for grabs based on performance in TC and preseason games which is a good thing..
What's Your Take?

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I really don’t know if there is any major battles, but I’m interested how the rookies fit into their rolls. We took guys who are ready to play, older ages and more experience in the field…the expectation isn’t to sit back and learn but play now and make an impact.

I’m also interested to see how the lack of depth at LB and Corner shakes out. Also who steps into the Buffalo Nickel role…I’m hoping to see Collins resigned if it goes bad.

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I wanna see how receivers and lbs work out. We know McLaurin is going to be great, but a lot of talent still at wr for sure. Brown I could see doing great as he's a deep threat specialist. Samuel healthy? Does Dotson start immediately? Think so really. Kid should be great. Also Cam Sims still in the mix. Excited to see how this works out with Wentz at qb now.

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[quote=The Skinsinator;1318134]I wanna see how receivers and lbs work out. We know McLaurin is going to be great, but a lot of talent still at wr for sure. Brown I could see doing great as he's a deep threat specialist. Samuel healthy? Does Dotson start immediately? Think so really. Kid should be great. Also Cam Sims still in the mix. Excited to see how this works out with Wentz at qb now.[/quote]

That's good stuff....

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Pretty interested to see qbs too. I think people are underestimating Sam Howell also in addition to Wentz. Wentz has all the tools just needs the right coaching and situation. Howell holds numerous UNC all time records and can sling it. People quickly forget he had a 1st rd grade had he been in the 2021 draft. Feel like we're lucky to have gotten him. Both will be a dramatic improvement.

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[quote=WCommandersfan99;1318138]Pretty interested to see qbs too. I think people are underestimating Sam Howell also in addition to Wentz. Wentz has all the tools just needs the right coaching and situation. Howell holds numerous UNC all time records and can sling it. People quickly forget he had a 1st rd grade had he been in the 2021 draft. Feel like we're lucky to have gotten him. Both will be a dramatic improvement.[/quote]

Agree about Howell, although he still has ways to go but Howell is in a good situation as he has little to no expectations from us at this time which will give him the opportunity to work on his mechanics for a while. I'm excited to see what Howell can do in the next 2-3 years.

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[quote=WCommandersfan99;1318138]Pretty interested to see qbs too. I think people are underestimating Sam Howell also in addition to Wentz. [B]Wentz has all the tools just needs the right coaching and situation.[/B] Howell holds numerous UNC all time records and can sling it. People quickly forget he had a 1st rd grade had he been in the 2021 draft. Feel like we're lucky to have gotten him. Both will be a dramatic improvement.[/quote]

Hard for me to agree with your perspective on Wentz. He was with good teams in Philly and Indy and IMO his coaches were top-notch. I think he just choked last season due to the pressure of making the playoffs. So, I'd say our QB situation is still shaky

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I can’t wait to see Wentz throwing the ball to these receivers.

I’m also gonna call something to watch…Logan Thomas probably not gonna be ready due to the injury, but I’ve heard the guys behind him have really been flashing in the spring. The competition at depth should be really good. Lotta head turning in ota’s with guys catching the ball At the TE position

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[quote=Chico23231;1318144]I can’t wait to see Wentz throwing the ball to these receivers.

I’m also gonna call something to watch…Logan Thomas probably not gonna be ready due to the injury, but I’ve heard the guys behind him have really been flashing in the spring. The competition at depth should be really good. Lotta head turning in ota’s with guys catching the ball At the TE position[/quote]

I'm with you Chico on the TE competition, should be interesting. I think with all the guys that SHOULD be able to catch the ball in this offense, they could almost be a "pass first" offense that sets up the run instead of the latter. I mean Wentz should have games where he hits 9 or 10 different guys.

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[quote=redskins1;1318122]What position battles are you most interested to see play out and which looks like it's a lock?
1)QB is a lock...Wentz
[B]2)RB with AG as the Bell cow is a lock[/B]
3)Starting WR"s should be Mclaurin Samuel Datson
4)The Dline is a lock at starters Sweat Allen Payne Young if he is ready week 1
All the other units playing time and depth chart standing is up for grabs based on performance in TC and preseason games which is a good thing..
What's Your Take?[/quote]

While I do think that AG will be the "bell cow" to begin the season, he has to be looking over his shoulder - seeing Robinson right on his tail. Robinson is a true RB, while Gibson was a receiver. I don't think it can be understated, the importance of having been a RB all your football life, as opposed to making that position change at the NFL level. Because of that, and with his injury history and intermittent fumblitis, I wouldn't consider AG a lock.

Definitely anxious to see how the TE position shakes out if LT isn't healthy enough to start week 1.

I also want to see how Howell performs and if Heinicke shows any improvement. Howell likely starts as the #3, but I imagine it's only a matter of time before he is the backup. The only things Heinicke has on him at this point is institutional knowledge, and NFL experience.

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[quote=Chico23231;1318131]I really don’t know if there is any major battles, but I’m interested how the rookies fit into their rolls. We took guys who are ready to play, older ages and more experience in the field…the expectation isn’t to sit back and learn but play now and make an impact.

[B]I’m also interested to see how the lack of depth at LB and Corner shakes out. [/B]Also who steps into the Buffalo Nickel role…I’m hoping to see Collins resigned if it goes bad.[/quote]

You know my stance on LB ([SIZE="1"]itsnotonlylackofdepthitslackofstarterswhattheheckaretheywaitingfor[/SIZE]), but I don't think we're that short on CB. WJ3, Fuller, St Juste, Danny Johnson is a decent squad IMO, hopefully the 7th round pick Christian Holmes can contribute ?
Don't forget the so called Nickel CB can be a 3rd safety in a lot of cases ([SIZE="1"]or a "don't call him LB" in Collins' case[/SIZE]), and with Curl, McCain, Reaves, Forrest and 4th round pick Percy Butler, I think it's safe to say we have decent depth at safety.
Overall, even if you need to have 4 clear starters in your outside CBs+Safeties, I think looking at the overall DB squad, rather than CBs and safeties separately, makes more sense with what NFL secondaries do nowadays.

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Alot of good post I like it.... Let's Go Commmanders

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1318143]Hard for me to agree with your perspective on Wentz. He was with good teams in Philly and Indy and IMO his coaches were top-notch. I think he just choked last season due to the pressure of making the playoffs. So, I'd say our QB situation is still shaky[/quote]He was the starter in Philly the year they won the Super Bowl for nearly the entire season paving the way until he got hurt. Philly just wanted to see what they had in Hurts and didn't want to mess around with the large contract they just awarded him. Everyone knows Irsay wanted him gone in Indy even though at one point last season he was in discussion as a top qb for the year.

The tools are all there:

1) Size- 6'5" 237 lbs (don't think fans appreciate this enough)
2) Great arm especially deep
3) Mobile which is unusual for his large size. No he's not Lamar Jackson but the guy can move
4) Highly intelligent

What tools does he lack physically? None. He's also at a very good age at 29. Again, he's got all the tools.

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[quote=Chico23231;1318144]I can’t wait to see Wentz throwing the ball to these receivers.

I’m also gonna call something to watch…Logan Thomas probably not gonna be ready due to the injury, but I’ve heard the guys behind him have really been flashing in the spring. The competition at depth should be really good. Lotta head turning in ota’s with guys catching the ball At the TE position[/quote]Cole Turner looking good. Bates is a very good blocker and catch some too. Also, they are looking at Curtis Hodges 6'8" 240 lbs who can catch also. AGG may be in the mix too.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1318148]While I do think that AG will be the "bell cow" to begin the season, he has to be looking over his shoulder - seeing Robinson right on his tail. Robinson is a true RB, while Gibson was a receiver. I don't think it can be understated, the importance of having been a RB all your football life, as opposed to making that position change at the NFL level. Because of that, and with his injury history and intermittent fumblitis, I wouldn't consider AG a lock.

Definitely anxious to see how the TE position shakes out if LT isn't healthy enough to start week 1.

I also want to see how Howell performs and if Heinicke shows any improvement. Howell likely starts as the #3, but I imagine it's only a matter of time before he is the backup. The only things Heinicke has on him at this point is institutional knowledge, and NFL experience.[/quote]

Yeah I wouldn't put AG down as a lock either, Robinson was drafted for a reason, he's not coming in as a 3rd rounder to sit. AG needs to up his game and hold on to the damn ball. Otherwise BR is going to cut into his workload very quickly.

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[quote=Chico23231;1318144]I can’t wait to see Wentz throwing the ball to these receivers.

I’m also gonna call something to watch…Logan Thomas probably not gonna be ready due to the injury, but I’ve heard the guys behind him have really been flashing in the spring. The competition at depth should be really good. Lotta head turning in ota’s with guys catching the ball At the TE position[/quote]

Cole Turner is looking at a great opportunity early on. Wouldn't be a surprise if Thomas starts off the season on IR.

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[quote=WCommandersfan99;1318157]He was the starter in Philly the year they won the Super Bowl for nearly the entire season paving the way until he got hurt. Philly just wanted to see what they had in Hurts and didn't want to mess around with the large contract they just awarded him. Everyone knows Irsay wanted him gone in Indy even though at one point last season he was in discussion as a top qb for the year.

The tools are all there:

1) Size- 6'5" 237 lbs (don't think fans appreciate this enough)
2) Great arm especially deep
3) Mobile which is unusual for his large size. No he's not Lamar Jackson but the guy can move
4) Highly intelligent

What tools does he lack physically? None. He's also at a very good age at 29. Again, he's got all the tools.[/quote]

I already know all about his toolset. What's that got to do with his main problem which is choking? Once a player chokes like he did at Indy, it's very hard for the other players to ever trust him again. That's why Irsay wanted him gone. If he does well this season until he chokes away our chance to make the playoffs he'll be gone from here, too. That's why our QB room is unsettled. Let's hope he's seeing a sports psychologist.

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[quote=MTK;1318167]Cole Turner is looking at a great opportunity early on. Wouldn't be a surprise if Thomas starts off the season on IR.[/quote]

Cole Turner may get some playing time but I think John Bates would probably be the starter at TE if Logan Thomas is unable to go right away. For one thing, Bates has some experience. Also, Bates had the highest PFF run blocking score of any TE in the NFL last season at 87.6, based on 248 run blocking snaps. That score was more that 10 points higher than the second ranked run blocking score for a TE in 2021. To me, that is a big deal. When did we last have a TE who could block like that?

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1318172]Cole Turner may get some playing time but I think John Bates would probably be the starter at TE if Logan Thomas is unable to go right away. For one thing, Bates has some experience. Also, Bates had the highest PFF run blocking score of any TE in the NFL last season at 87.6, based on 248 run blocking snaps. That score was more that 10 points higher than the second ranked run blocking score for a TE in 2021. To me, that is a big deal. When did we last have a TE who could block like that?[/quote]

I like Bates a lot too, I just think Turner might have the more intriguing skill set as a receiving TE.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1318168]I already know all about his toolset. What's that got to do with his main problem which is choking? Once a player chokes like he did at Indy, it's very hard for the other players to ever trust him again. That's why Irsay wanted him gone. If he does well this season until he chokes away our chance to make the playoffs he'll be gone from here, too. That's why our QB room is unsettled. Let's hope he's seeing a sports psychologist.[/quote]

I don't get how one bad season, and one particularly bad game makes someone automatically a choker. Is it just because Jim Irsay put that out there, and people are believing it?

When he was here, Kirk Cousins had his bad moments in key games, but I wouldn't necessarily call him a choker.

I think Wentz has a lot to prove, but I feel many fans and some people in the media, have bought in to what Irsay has been putting out there.

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[quote=WCommandersfan99;1318158]Cole Turner looking good. Bates is a very good blocker and catch some too. Also, they are looking at Curtis Hodges 6'8" 240 lbs who can catch also. AGG may be in the mix too.[/quote]

Curtis Hodges is my early pick for “training camp hero”

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1318168]I already know all about his toolset. What's that got to do with his main problem which is choking? Once a player chokes like he did at Indy, it's very hard for the other players to ever trust him again. That's why Irsay wanted him gone. If he does well this season until he chokes away our chance to make the playoffs he'll be gone from here, too. That's why our QB room is unsettled. Let's hope he's seeing a sports psychologist.[/quote]Most champions have a big game they haven't played their best in. Give the guy a chance and realize how much talent this dude has. There's a reason he was the #2 overall pick in the draft. He's only 29 years old again and has plenty of NFL life left. It is very hard to find a qb with the sheer physical talent he has. Up to him and the coaches for him to take his game to the next level.

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[quote=WCommandersfan99;1318184]Most champions have a big game they haven't played their best in. Give the guy a chance and realize how much talent this dude has. There's a reason he was the #2 overall pick in the draft. He's only 29 years old again and has plenty of NFL life left. It is very hard to find a qb with the sheer physical talent he has. Up to him and the coaches for him to take his game to the next level.[/quote]

He'll get his chance no matter what this retired geezer thinks. So we'll see what happens. My only point is that he was shown the door by two NFL teams in two consecutive seasons for many of the same reasons. So it is naive to think that our QB room is set. Nevertheless, I always root for young people to succeed so I hope he has a great season in 2022.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1318181]I don't get how one bad season, and one particularly bad game makes someone automatically a choker. Is it just because Jim Irsay put that out there, and people are believing it?

When he was here, Kirk Cousins had his bad moments in key games, but I wouldn't necessarily call him a choker.

I think Wentz has a lot to prove, but I feel many fans and some people in the media, have bought in to what Irsay has been putting out there.[/quote]

FWIW, [U]I'm[/U] saying he choked. I saw it happen so I didn't need to hear it from Irsay first. Besides neither Irsay nor Philly wanted him around anymore, for a couple of the same reasons.

BTW, Cousins was and is a choker, IMO. When he was here, he could be expected to throw a late game interception in a crucial game. He still can't win the big game for the Vikings.

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Cousins is a big time choker for me as well. I never liked Wentz, partially b.c. he was an eagle and I won't like any eagles success... after that I just never found him that good and I also view him as someone who hasn't yet proven he can get the job done. As far as choking in indy? That o line and wr group also played like shit that day and while yes, we all blame the qb or at least put the most blame on him ... that choke wasn't his fault alone. Nevertheless he's here now and I will have to root for him whether I may like it deep down or not he is part of the team now. Good luck and I wish him and us the best.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1318181][B]I don't get how one bad season, and one particularly bad game [/B]makes someone automatically a choker. Is it just because Jim Irsay put that out there, and people are believing it?

When he was here, Kirk Cousins had his bad moments in key games, but I wouldn't necessarily call him a choker.

I think Wentz has a lot to prove, but I feel many fans and some people in the media, have bought in to what Irsay has been putting out there.[/quote]

Add to that the fact the said player didn't choked the said particular game nearly as much as he's made out to have done, and that the team (defense, receiving corps and Oline) choked it out maybe more than he did, and you have yourself a very lazy narrative.
Wentz had his bad moments for sure, more so in the Raiders game the week before than in the final game. But he had a way better season than people think IMO.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1318192]He'll get his chance no matter what this retired geezer thinks. So we'll see what happens. My only point is that he was shown the door by two NFL teams in two consecutive seasons for many of the same reasons. So it is naive to think that our QB room is set. Nevertheless, I always root for young people to succeed so I hope he has a great season in 2022.[/quote]Fair enough. I agree Wentz has had issues before. However, I like the skillset he brings to the table which is uncoachable. Radical improvement in arm strength over Heinicke. Not just some but huge. We are loaded with deep threats on the team. The staff is in year 3 and needs to show something. Wentz has all the tools. Let's make it work is all I'm advocating.

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1318214]Add to that the fact the said player didn't choked the said particular game nearly as much as he's made out to have done, and that the team (defense, receiving corps and Oline) choked it out maybe more than he did, and you have yourself a very lazy narrative.
Wentz had his bad moments for sure, more so in the Raiders game the week before than in the final game. But he had a way better season than people think IMO.[/quote]

Not such a lazy narrative. So what you're saying is that he had "bad moments" in the 16th and 17th games of the season with the PLAYOFFS on the line but he didn't choke? Those "bad moments" were some of the worst plays by a panic-stricken QB that I've ever seen. The interception he threw from his own end zone was atrocious. On the other hand, he ran up his stats in early season games which were not in the must win category. BFD. They lost their last chance game to the Jaguars, for Pete's sake. So please don't criticize me for calling choking by its proper name.

Look, we all want him to succeed here but he is flawed so don't start thinking that we are set at QB. "We'll see" is the best I can say about him at this time.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1318220]Not such a lazy narrative. So what you're saying is that he had "bad moments" in the 16th and 17th games of the season with the PLAYOFFS on the line but he didn't choke? Those "bad moments" were some of the worst plays by a panic-stricken QB that I've ever seen. The interception he threw from his own end zone was atrocious. On the other hand, he ran up his stats in early season games which were not in the must win category. BFD. They lost their last chance game to the Jaguars, for Pete's sake. So please don't criticize me for calling choking by its proper name.

Look, we all want him to succeed here but he is flawed so don't start thinking that we are set at QB. "We'll see" is the best I can say about him at this time.[/quote]
The Jags matched up well against Indy. Wentz had a bad game sure, is he the best QB in the NFL, nope. His he the best we could get at this time, yup. Is he better then what we had last year, YUP!

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1318220]Not such a lazy narrative. So what you're saying is that he had "bad moments" in the 16th and 17th games of the season with the PLAYOFFS on the line but he didn't choke? Those "bad moments" were some of the worst plays by a panic-stricken QB that I've ever seen. The interception he threw from his own end zone was atrocious. On the other hand, he ran up his stats in early season games which were not in the must win category. BFD. They lost their last chance game to the Jaguars, for Pete's sake. So please don't criticize me for calling choking by its proper name.

Look, we all want him to succeed here but he is flawed so don't start thinking that we are set at QB. "We'll see" is the best I can say about him at this time.[/quote]

I don't have a problem with you calling his performance a choke, because that is what it was. I just don't think he has a history of choking to be consider a choker.

I keep saying that Wentz has a lot to prove, given his history, that being said, I feel like people have bought too much on the negative narrative that has come out of Indy. And yes, the bad plays speak for themselves, but let's not forget that an NFL owner, with tons of resources, has gone out of his way to create negative press about him to try to justify his terrible decisions.

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I've never seen a QB bashed as much as Wentz after having a 27 / 7 TD INT ratio lmao. Is he ELITE? No but good lord you would think he was some douchbag POS.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1318224]I've never seen a QB bashed as much as Wentz after having a 27 / 7 TD INT ratio lmao. Is he ELITE? No but good lord you would think he was some douchbag POS.[/quote]

I’ve heard more praise for Henike and Alex Smith…which is insane

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[quote=mredskins;1318221]His he the best we could get at this time, yup.[/quote]Exactly. Of all the options available, he was the best easily. Not a sure fire bonafide franchise qb in the draft. Watson was way too risky and didn't want to come here anyway. Most don't of course. Ryan is old. Mariotta doesn't have the passing ability that Wentz has. Wilson didn't want to come here, was very expensive, and is 4 years older that Wentz. Wentz was the best option on a good deal and amazingly wants to be here.

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[quote=Chico23231;1318226]I’ve heard more praise for Henike and Alex Smith…which is insane[/quote]

Exactly, I don't get it... Lets wait and see what he can do first

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Players I'm looking forward to see:

Jahan Dotson
Ben St. Juste
Brian Robinson
Dyami Brown
Cole Turner
Jamin Davis

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1318224]I've never seen a QB bashed as much as Wentz after having a 27 / 7 TD INT ratio lmao. Is he ELITE? No but good lord you would think he was some douchbag POS.[/quote]

Understatement of the off-season...Spot On

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1318224]I've never seen a QB bashed as much as Wentz after having a 27 / 7 TD INT ratio lmao. Is he ELITE? No but good lord you would think he was some douchbag POS.[/quote]

The funny thing is he's only had 1 outright bad year when he was hurt. Yeah he played bad in the last game of the year last year but the entire Colts team did too, wasnt just him.

I think what people notice is that all his turnover are a "What the hell were you looking at?" Type turnover

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;1318231]The funny thing is he's only had 1 outright bad year when he was hurt. Yeah he played bad in the last game of the year last year but the entire Colts team did too, wasnt just him.

I think what people notice is that all his turnover are a "What the hell were you looking at?" Type turnover[/quote]

I'm rooting even more for him now. Call me a homer and yeah it's true but that dude doesn't deserve this backlash... I've seen some ranking him under Trey Lance lmao, Trey lance cant even beat out Jimmy G

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1318220]Not such a lazy narrative. So what you're saying is that he had "bad moments" in the 16th and 17th games of the season with the PLAYOFFS on the line but he didn't choke? Those "bad moments" were some of the worst plays by a panic-stricken QB that I've ever seen. The interception he threw from his own end zone was atrocious. On the other hand, he ran up his stats in early season games which were not in the must win category. BFD. They lost their last chance game to the Jaguars, for Pete's sake. So please don't criticize me for calling choking by its proper name.

Look, we all want him to succeed here but he is flawed so don't start thinking that we are set at QB. "We'll see" is the best I can say about him at this time.[/quote]

I don't think "we'll see" is an unfair take to have about Wentz at this time. I think he was the best option this team could get at the time, but it's true that he was let go by 2 teams for some reasons, and if he was still the 2017 Wentz he wouldn't be on our team.

All I'm saying is the narrative that [I]he[/I] choked the playoffs away needs to be tempered.
He had an off game against the Raiders coming of just having Covid, maybe not sick but screwed up preparation and he was just off.
Against the Jags he had a couple of drives where he forced some throws and one of them ended up in an ugly INT, but apart from that he was having a very decent day, had some beautiful throws repeatedly dropped by his receivers, his Oline couldn't block, the running game couldn't get half a yard on 3rd/4rd and short, and the defense made Jacksonville look like Kansas City... He didn't choke that game, the whole team did.

Now, is it legit, from those 2 games and his career since his injury, to be aware that he has some mental toughness issues and isn't Tom Brady in the face of adversity ? For sure. But to run away with it and say we're shaky at QB is a stretch IMO. We have a legit starter, coming with some question marks, and probably not our long awaited franchise QB, but an improvement above what we had.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;1318229]Players I'm looking forward to see:

Jahan Dotson
Ben St. Juste
Brian Robinson
Dyami Brown
Cole Turner
Jamin Davis[/quote]

These are the guys that need to come in and make a difference to lift this team with their play. These are big play guys in college, can they we get some of that this year?

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