The Sam Howell Thread
 

It's just a matter of time now, until he's the starting QB.

Heinicke will be benched for bad performance or get hurt with the way he has to play and how bad our line is.

I see Howell starting at least one game within the next 4 games (I'm assuming Wentz goes on the IR).

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Gotta find out if he is the answer because we are gonna have a high draft pick ..

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Preaching to the choir. No reason we shouldn’t be using as much time as possible to see if there is a chance we do not need to use an early , possibly extremely early, pick on a quarterback.

Only two reasons I would never put Howell on the field.

We have a quarterback for the foreseeable future already on the team.

We are winning with any other quarterback, one who will be here or not we obviously wouldn’t make a change.

Neither of the even remotely apply to us.
I just don’t understand the thought process at this point.

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[quote=punch it in;1326133]Preaching to the choir. No reason we shouldn’t be using as much time as possible to see if there is a chance we do not need to use an early , possibly extremely early, pick on a quarterback.

Only two reasons I would never put Howell on the field.

We have a quarterback for the foreseeable future already on the team.

We are winning with any other quarterback, one who will be here or not we obviously wouldn’t make a change.

Neither of the even remotely apply to us.
I just don’t understand the thought process at this point.[/quote]

The only QB I'm remotely excited about is Stroud from OSU. But thru no fault of his own, he absolutely terrifies me too, because he plays for OSU. OSU pumps out great receivers and bad QBs to the league. Can't help but think OSU QBs just aren't very good, but look amazing throwing to say Olave/Wilson every season.

Give me Howell and the best LT or best CB round 1 next year.

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I agree. OSU quarterbacks scare me. I like Young and Will Levis and would welcome either one of them over Stroud.

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[quote=punch it in;1326145]I agree. OSU quarterbacks scare me. I like Young and Will Levis and would welcome either one of them over Stroud.[/quote]

Bryce Young is a stud. He's just a bit too small for me.

Levis will already be 24 by next season. I'm not sold on him at all.

I'd take Stroud or Young over him. But I think Howell can be that dude. I hope he makes it moot.

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Watch some of Levis highlight reels. I think he is going to be a star.

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[quote=punch it in;1326147]Watch some of Levis highlight reels. I think he is going to be a star.[/quote]

I could easily be wrong. Paid professionals fail at this all the time. My choices are based on much smaller sample sizes. Ex) I thought Fields would be a baller.

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Luckily, for all of my faults, pride isn't one of them. If Levis is who we get, I hope I get a plate of Pterodactyl sized crow.

Note - I had to Google how to spell Pterodactyl. I thought it started with a T, and that was just the start of how far off I was.

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[QUOTE=sdskinsfan2001;1326138]The only QB I'm remotely excited about is Stroud from OSU. But thru no fault of his own, he absolutely terrifies me too, because he plays for OSU. OSU pumps out great receivers and bad QBs to the league. Can't help but think OSU QBs just aren't very good, but look amazing throwing to say Olave/Wilson every season.

Give me Howell and the best LT or best CB round 1 next year.[/QUOTE]


You are sleeping on B young he’s amazing


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I like Howell he was good in college. Was projected as a first round pick before last season. He has talent and a rocket arm. It’s literally stupid not to play him , they act like TH is going to be a savior for us. Lmao he’s not very good and after we lose to GB because he will not make the throws then hopefully Sam plays week 8


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[quote=skinsfaninok;1326151]You are sleeping on B young he’s amazing

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Nah, I'm awake on him. I literally said:

[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1326146]Bryce Young is a stud. He's just a bit too small for me.[/quote]

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1326152]I like Howell he was good in college. Was projected as a first round pick before last season. He has talent and a rocket arm. It’s literally stupid not to play him , they act like TH is going to be a savior for us. Lmao he’s not very good and after we lose to GB because he will not make the throws then hopefully Sam plays week 8


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I would start him, Zappe is doing a good job in NE. Howell to me was the best QB in this draft, play him and find out what you got. With the receivers and TE's he has, he would succeed and wake up our O including the run game.

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[QUOTE=sdskinsfan2001;1326153]Nah, I'm awake on him. I literally said:[/QUOTE]


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[QUOTE=SFREDSKIN;1326156]I would start him, Zappe is doing a good job in NE. Howell to me was the best QB in this draft, play him and find out what you got. With the receivers and TE's he has, he would succeed.[/QUOTE]


Nope instead we’ll trot out Taylor and lose 3 of the next 4 regardless and then Wentz comes back and we waste more time not using Howell. All because Ron is a fool and doesn’t understand the game anymore


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[quote=skinsfaninok;1326158]Nope instead we’ll trot out Taylor and lose 3 of the next 4 regardless and then Wentz comes back and we waste more time not using Howell. All because Ron is a fool and doesn’t understand the game anymore


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I think Heinecke will be fine, he has more weapons than in the past.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1326156]I would start him, Zappe is doing a good job in NE. Howell to me was the best QB in this draft, play him and find out what you got. With the receivers and TE's he has, he would succeed and wake up our O including the run game.[/quote]

The biggest difference is Zappe is not asked to do anything other than handoff the ball. The way our offense functions it all runs through the QB. Ideally I think we could run a version of what Bill is doing in New England with Zappe I just don't think ST has the ability to game plan for that. I heard an interesting stat that for his career so far when Gibson is in over 50% of offensive snaps we average over 20 points and when he is in under 50% of snaps we average under 12 points. Get him involved, run the ball, short passes and I think Howell and even Heinicke could be successful(ish)

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1326168]The biggest difference is Zappe is not asked to do anything other than handoff the ball. The way our offense functions it all runs through the QB. Ideally I think we could run a version of what Bill is doing in New England with Zappe I just don't think ST has the ability to game plan for that. I heard an interesting stat that for his career so far when Gibson is in over 50% of offensive snaps we average over 20 points and when he is in under 50% of snaps we average under 12 points. Get him involved, run the ball, short passes and I think Howell and even Heinicke could be successful(ish)[/quote]

Agree, I fail to understand why we're not going more 2 back sets or using Gibson in a H back type role. Not like he was a receiver in college is it?...

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1326168]The biggest difference is Zappe is not asked to do anything other than handoff the ball. The way our offense functions it all runs through the QB. Ideally I think we could run a version of what Bill is doing in New England with Zappe I just don't think ST has the ability to game plan for that. I heard an interesting stat that for his career so far when Gibson is in over 50% of offensive snaps we average over 20 points and when he is in under 50% of snaps we average under 12 points. Get him involved, run the ball, short passes and I think Howell and even Heinicke could be successful(ish)[/quote]

He threw it 34 times Sunday for 300 yards...

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Too early to go to Howell. I’d wait until later in the season and only if he’s truly ready to play.

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[quote=MTK;1326201]Too early to go to Howell. I’d wait until later in the season and only if he’s truly ready to play.[/quote]

I assuming you are saying to early for his development not because its to early because this team has a chance with TH because any team starting TH is not a NFL team.

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[quote=mredskins;1326202]I assuming you are saying to early for his development not because its to early because this team has a chance with TH because any team starting TH is not a NFL team.[/quote]

Only a moron would think TH is going to solve all of the problems on offense.

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[quote=MTK;1326203]Only a moron would think TH is going to solve all of the problems on offense.[/quote]

Well you are calling some people morons.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1326199]He threw it 34 times Sunday for 300 yards...[/quote]

True and his 9 ypa is awesome. I thought it was a lot of yards after catch but it doesn’t matter you are right they passed more than ran 34-31 putting the ball in his hands. 34 attempts is a solid number

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[quote=rocnrik;1326132]Gotta find out if he is the answer because we are gonna have a high draft pick ..[/quote]

Pretty sure if he was the answer he would've beat out Heinicke for #2.

I'll say it... ya'll are outta ya fucking mind if you think watching football on the telly every Sunday qualifies you to judge talent better than an NFL coaching staff.

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[quote=mooby;1326217]Pretty sure if he was the answer he would've beat out Heinicke for #2.

I'll say it... ya'll are outta ya fucking mind if you think watching football on the telly every Sunday qualifies you to judge talent better than an NFL coaching staff.[/quote]

I dunno man, have you seen our o-line?

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[QUOTE=sdskinsfan2001;1326148]I could easily be wrong. Paid professionals fail at this all the time. My choices are based on much smaller sample sizes. Ex) I thought Fields would be a baller.

[IMG]https://media.tenor.com/nF3wwSzy-l0AAAAC/samsonite-dumb.gif[/IMG]

Luckily, for all of my faults, pride isn't one of them. If Levis is who we get, I hope I get a plate of Pterodactyl sized crow.

Note - I had to Google how to spell Pterodactyl. I thought it started with a T, and that was just the start of how far off I was.[/QUOTE]


Pterodactyl…..wow. Yeah I don’t even know where i would have gone with that spelling. [IMG]https://media4.giphy.com/media/3oriO13KTkzPwTykp2/giphy.gif[/IMG]

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[QUOTE=MTK;1326203]Only a moron would think TH is going to solve all of the problems on offense.[/QUOTE]


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There were some reports in the offseason that Heinicke had focused on his arm strength during the down time, we shall see if is improved but he is always going to be limited.

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[quote=EdmundDorf;1326232]There were some reports in the offseason that Heinicke had focused on his arm strength during the down time, we shall see if is improved but he is always going to be limited.[/quote]

My sources tell me he has been working his pecs and every time he walks in to Ashburn he finds Del Rio and says LOOK AT MA BOOBIES JACK

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1326235]My sources tell me he has been working his pecs and every time he walks in to Ashburn he finds Del Rio and says [B]LOOK AT MA BOOBIES JACK[/B][/quote]

:laughing-

I saw that clip too. Somebody did a hell of a job with that dub.

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[quote=mredskins;1326205]Well you are calling some people morons.[/quote]

oops

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I actually think the offense may function a little better under TH, he's better at extending plays and playing off script, but in the end the results are going to be pretty much the same.

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With the same guy calling plays and the same OL I don't expect a massive improvement.

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GB can be beat, but I'm not expecting much for most of the same reasons, not to mention the timing is bound to be way off as it has been Wentz going with the 1s for six weeks now.

They are going to have to run the ball well, hope TH can make some things happen with his legs, and also hope he doesn't give the ball away.

Need the D-line to come up big too.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1326290]GB can be beat, but I'm not expecting much for most of the same reasons, not to mention the timing is bound to be way off as it has been Wentz going with the 1s for six weeks now.

They are going to have to run the ball well, hope TH can make some things happen with his legs, and also hope he doesn't give the ball away.

Need the D-line to come up big too.[/quote]

I'd go with a good dose of RPO being Heinicke can better use his legs than Wentz.

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I think we can definitely go 2-4 in our next 6 with Heinicke. Frankly, you should be able to go 2-4 with any functioning QB. But I definitely don't think we can go 4-2 with him.

All that being said, I'll prove myself a liar, and be out at a bar watching this Rodgers vs. Heinicke showdown.

I hate how much I still care about this team. Snyder is an evil piece of shit and I should want him to lose every game, but I don't. I want to beat manbunboy's ass.

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[quote=PorkSkins;1326293]I'd go with a good dose of RPO being Heinicke can better use his legs than Wentz.[/quote]

I don't think they will do a lot of intentional QB runs. I'm all for Heinicke taking his yards when the opportunity arises, but I don't really want to see him get blown up on a RPO and have to go to Howell - who apparently isn't ready... Before you know it we'll have J Fromm under center with this O-line.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1326299]I don't think they will do a lot of intentional QB runs. I'm all for Heinicke taking his yards when the opportunity arises, but I don't really want to see him get blown up on a RPO and have to go to Howell - who apparently isn't ready... Before you know it we'll have J Fromm under center with this O-line.[/quote]

Heinicke is a threat to run, meaning he can hold the 'backers and safeties for a split second or two which can lead to open receivers on passing plays or open lanes on running plays.

I wouldn't exclusively go RPO, but I would use it "just enough."

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If we had last year's offensive line maybe, but this year that split second or two can also lead to a sack/fumble.

Those LBs and Safeties will be in the box already anyway, because they won't expect him to throw it deeper than 15-20 yards too often.

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[quote=MTK;1326243]I actually think the offense may function a little better under TH, he's better at extending plays and playing off script, but in the end the results are going to be pretty much the same.[/quote]

He does but he is also very limited arm wise so it's a wash. It'll be 17 PPG regardless