Pricing out our players
 

With the NFL trade deadline just a little over a week away (Nov. 1), I am curious to see what everything thinks we could get for members of our roster if we decided to sell off anything that isn't a part of the future at the deadline. While you can post anything you want, the intent of this question is what draft capital could we stockpile by selling off, not what players could we get in return.

For example, I "think" trading William Jackson for a 6th/7th-round pick could get us a late-round pick and about $10-12 million in cap space for next year.

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3 players I would cut or trade.

William Jackson
Bobby McCain
Trai Turner

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1326433]3 players I would cut or trade.

William Jackson
Bobby McCain
Trai Turner[/quote]

You MIGHT get a loaf of bread for Turner.

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Ham sandwiches, all of them

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[quote=Chico23231;1326451]Ham sandwiches, all of them[/quote]

You're not receiving any meat on that sammich per Turner.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1326433]3 players I would cut or trade.

William Jackson
Bobby McCain
Trai Turner[/quote]

No trade value on them, if you can get anything at all you probably do it. But you wont.

Doesn't make sense to cut them now, going to need them all for depth at some point. Definitely all cut candidates this offseason though.

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The only player with any meaningful trade value, where trading the player wouldn't screw the cap, is Daron Payne.

The rest of the guys are either:

- good players on rookie contracts like Kam Curl. Not a good idea to trade guys like this.

- guys making too much money relative to their play for other teams to consider worthwhile. Wentz fits in here. Maybe a team sees him as carrying a little value / upside but they'd never take on his $28M.

- guys who straight up suck ballz. See Jackson, William

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[quote=Schneed10;1326744][B]The only player with any meaningful trade value, where trading the player wouldn't screw the cap, is Daron Payne.[/B]

The rest of the guys are either:

- good players on rookie contracts like Kam Curl. Not a good idea to trade guys like this.

- guys making too much money relative to their play for other teams to consider worthwhile. Wentz fits in here. Maybe a team sees him as carrying a little value / upside but they'd never take on his $28M.

- guys who straight up suck ballz. See Jackson, William[/quote]

They should definitely trade him, and I'm sure he would love that, but they won't because they're stupid. What do you think you "could" get for Payne? A 2nd?

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Wait, why trade Payne?

McLaurin and Allen got paid.
Pay Payne. No one else deserves an extension.
There is a minimum cap so someone has to get paid.

Look at how not paying Scherff worked out for us.

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I think with Payne it's a question of fit with the team's vision for DL scheme. I think they drafted Mathis because they envision one of the guys being the typical space eater in the middle while the other is the disruptive 3-tech type. Allen and Payne are both the 3-tech type, so it's a question of do you want to pay so much for a fit that might not jive the best.

But your point is a good one: who TF else are we going to pay. If we're going to end up drafting a rookie and moving away from Wentz, we might be wise to just pay Payne.

I think in general this team needs to start thinking about how to manage the cap more aggressively. They get so concerned about hamstringing themselves but you see plenty of teams massage the cap and work around those concerns.

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Do you pay Payne or Sweat? Tough to see giving them both big extensions. If you're not planning on paying Payne why wouldn't you look to deal him? Unless the plan is to play the franchise game with him.

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[quote=Schneed10;1326754]I think with Payne it's a question of fit with the team's vision for DL scheme. I think they drafted Mathis because they envision one of the guys being the typical space eater in the middle while the other is the disruptive 3-tech type. Allen and Payne are both the 3-tech type, so it's a question of do you want to pay so much for a fit that might not jive the best.

[B]But your point is a good one: who TF else are we going to pay.[/B] If we're going to end up drafting a rookie and moving away from Wentz, we might be wise to just pay Payne.

I think in general this team needs to start thinking about how to manage the cap more aggressively. They get so concerned about hamstringing themselves but you see plenty of teams massage the cap and work around those concerns.[/quote]

We really aren't in a place to lose more home-grown talent. We also seem to do better there, than with big outside free agent signings.

Keep Payne imo. Rather have too many DL, then not enough.

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Will Payne sign? It was well documented we drafted his replacement. Players egos are delicate things

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You can never have enough good players. Payne's having his best year. If you can make it happen try and re-sign him. If you get rid of him who are you bringing in that's better? You're not re-signing Wentz so perhaps that will free up money to take care of Payne. I'm not resigning Sweat.

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1326771]Will Payne sign? It was well documented we drafted his replacement. Players egos are delicate things[/quote]

Why not keep Payne, Allen and Mathis?

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[quote=MTK;1326755]Do you pay Payne or Sweat? Tough to see giving them both big extensions. If you're not planning on paying Payne why wouldn't you look to deal him? Unless the plan is to play the franchise game with him.[/quote]

I would choose Payne over Sweat. Sweat has been quiet except for the game vs Titans, Sweat isn't worth a big contract.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1326775]Why not keep Payne, Allen and Mathis?[/quote]

They should. And if they are even considering that, then they should have already had discussions with Payne's agent to see if he's willing TO stay IF they pay him...but they probably haven't and he'll walk. Which is why I would trade him now and try to get something.

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[quote=MTK;1326755]Do you pay Payne or Sweat? Tough to see giving them both big extensions. If you're not planning on paying Payne why wouldn't you look to deal him? Unless the plan is to play the franchise game with him.[/quote]

After you get rid of Wentz $28 contract and WJ3, there should be enough to sign both.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1326775]Why not keep Payne, Allen and Mathis?[/quote]

For me it is a question of would he be willing to sign a new contract with the team.

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Money affects some players. No idea if Sweat or Payne would be one of those guys.

I think everyone who has followed the team recently knew Allen wasn't.

Hagler said it's hard to do roadwork at 5am when your sleepin in silk pjs.

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Allen cap hit is 9.5M this year. Jumps to 21.5M cap hit per year next year.

Payne is a good player but hes not elite, certainly not worth Allen's contract (4 yrs/72M)

DT franchise tag hit was 17.396M this year.

Matty I is set to be a FA this offseason ...

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Sweat and Payne are not 20M per players imo.

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If you look at the contract the Bucs gave Vita Vea that would be the starting point I think (5 year, $17.75m apy), same draft, less than Allen ($18.0m apy) and arguably less productive than Vea. First year cap hit would circa $9m