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2022 Midterms thread
Figure we should have a thread to discuss all the candidates and the election results.
I'll start with this guy: [url]https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/a-maga-house-candidate-in-ohio-was-abandoned-by-the-national-gop-after-questions-about-his-military-service-he-could-make-it-to-congress-anyway/ar-AA13xpaK?cvid=d382d4ed5d444843ae1aafd4817f5148[/url] Lied about his combat experience, but it doesn't matter to his supporters because he has the (R) beside his name. This is America 2022. "Asked by Insider why he painted a QAnon symbol on his lawn, Majewski replied: "Why does it matter?" ^I enjoyed this gem too - why does being a Q supporter matter? Well it matters when you're trying to run for public office to represent a district full of people. |
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[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kari_Lake[/url]
Another Republican mental midget! |
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[url]https://ballotpedia.org/Howard_County_Sample_Ballot_(Maryland[/url])
^^ heres my sample ballot Voting for governor, lt gov, MD atty gen, MD comptroller, US senate seat, US house of rep seat, judges, state house of delegates No county executive on my ballot? I imagine thats in error, county executive is probably the only vote that will impact my life in any way -------- Just gonna vote blue .... 90% sure im going Calvin Ball over Kittlemen for county exec |
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I like Glassman and what he did to improve expansion of fios and internet into rural areas of Harford County. I am voting him for Comptroller. Definitely not voting for Dan Cox we don't need some one that hates children in the governor's mansion.
[url]https://www.baltimoresun.com/maryland/harford/aegis/cng-ag-internet-partnet-20210303-dfoesbbsdjggzpvktnakfe5mfi-story.html[/url] |
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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1327273]I like Glassman and what he did to improve expansion of fios and internet into rural areas of Harford County. I am voting him for Comptroller. Definitely not voting for Dan Cox we don't need some one that hates children in the governor's mansion.
[url]https://www.baltimoresun.com/maryland/harford/aegis/cng-ag-internet-partnet-20210303-dfoesbbsdjggzpvktnakfe5mfi-story.html[/url][/quote] I, like 99% of the voters, know nothing about the comptroller candidates .. I have a vague idea of what a comptroller does, control the purse. Heres an article on the 2 candidates. Wash Post endorses glassman but article points out his voting record is conservative right wing and not maryland progressive right wing [url]https://www.marylandmatters.org/2022/10/20/lierman-supporters-push-back-as-washington-post-calls-glassman-a-traditional-republican/[/url] ------ voting to legalize marijuana .. didnt know that. kinda torn, I dont want longer lines at my dispensary. I feel like some Cuban/hispanic voters .. now that i got "in", I dont want anyone else joining the party |
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[quote=mooby;1327048]Figure we should have a thread to discuss all the candidates and the election results.
I'll start with this guy: [url]https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/a-maga-house-candidate-in-ohio-was-abandoned-by-the-national-gop-after-questions-about-his-military-service-he-could-make-it-to-congress-anyway/ar-AA13xpaK?cvid=d382d4ed5d444843ae1aafd4817f5148[/url] [B]Lied about his combat experience, but it doesn't matter to his supporters because he has the (R) beside his name. This is America 2022. [/B] "Asked by Insider why he painted a QAnon symbol on his lawn, Majewski replied: "Why does it matter?" ^I enjoyed this gem too - why does being a Q supporter matter? Well it matters when you're trying to run for public office to represent a district full of people.[/quote] Funny you say that but then post an article with this title. "A MAGA House candidate in Ohio [B]was abandoned by the national GOP[/B] after questions about his military service. He could make it to Congress anyway. [email]bmetzger@insider.com[/email] (Bryan Metzger) - Yesterday 6:00 AM |
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[quote=Fishingfool;1327278]Funny you say that but then post an article with this title. "A MAGA House candidate in Ohio [B]was abandoned by the national GOP[/B] after questions about his military service. He could make it to Congress anyway.
[email]bmetzger@insider.com[/email] (Bryan Metzger) - Yesterday 6:00 AM[/quote] Well I guess I'm basing that off of this quote in the article: [quote=the article] Attendees at the Tuesday event largely consisted of Majewski's long-time supporters and a handful of local GOP officials, most of whom spoke about the importance of defeating Majewski's opponent, the long-serving Democratic Rep. Marcy Kaptur. They agreed that despite his dubious claims about his military record, he was still their man. [/quote] So yeah, maybe the national GOP pulled their financial support - but does it matter if locals who are picking between him and a liberal don't change their opinion? They'd rather have a lying conservative than a liberal. |
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So yeah, maybe the national GOP pulled their financial support - but does it matter if locals who are picking between him and a liberal don't change their opinion? They'd rather have a lying conservative than a liberal.[/quote] Well when you believe the lies the politicians tell you... |
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Michigan Republican candidate recorded saying Democrats drink the blood of children and ‘sell baby body parts’
[url]https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...06e1e761be38f0[/url] More of chico's people A Michigan Republican spoke to a QAnon podcast just after the 2020 election where she made some bizarre comments about Democrats, Vice News found. Kristina Karamo, who is seen as an extremist in the race to control elections as the Michigan Secretary of State, talked about "child sacrifice" by the Democratic Party. “If you go to the Satanic temple website, they have an entire five-minute video explaining why abortion is a religious ritual,” she said interview. “They literally say that it is a sacrifice, it is a religious ritual for them to have an abortion, it is sick. And as you mentioned, the baby body parts… they sell the organs. There’s a ton of money involved in freshly harvested organs. There’s so much evidence out there.” Organs aren't fully formed during an abortion and wouldn't help anyone, but that logic escaped Karamo, who described it as a kind of church service happening on Satanic altars instead of in medical clinics. The belief is consistent with one of the main QAnon conspiracies and the concept of drinking the blood of the young was a key piece of the PizzaGate conspiracy theory, in which the right claims Democrats are keeping children in basements to drink their blood. A gunman showed up at the local neighborhood pizza parlor known for being a fun place for families as a result of the lies. __________________ ....DISCLAIMER: All of my posts/threads are my expressed typed opinion and the reader is not to assume these comments are absolute fact, law, or truth unless otherwise stated in said post/thread. |
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Karamo is way off.
We don't sell the baby organs we stick them in the back yard compost to grow our organic tomatoes. |
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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1327402]Karamo is way off.
We don't sell the baby organs we stick them in the back yard compost to grow our organic tomatoes.[/quote] [IMG]https://media.tenor.com/y_J2Y9OsJkkAAAAM/da-dafuck.gif[/IMG] |
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[COLOR="Red"][/COLOR][quote=BaltimoreSkins;1327402]Karamo is way off.
[COLOR="red"]We don't sell the baby organs we stick them in the back yard compost to grow our organic tomatoes.[/COLOR][/quote] chic might understand better. |
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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1327402]Karamo is way off.
We don't sell the baby organs we stick them in the back yard compost to grow our organic tomatoes.[/quote] Oh that's smart, I should try that sometime. Normally I just crack their neck open and drink that sweet baby juice, it's better than the best protein supplement on the market. |
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[QUOTE=Giantone;1327398]Michigan Republican candidate recorded saying Democrats drink the blood of children and ‘sell baby body parts’
[url]https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...06e1e761be38f0[/url] More of chico's people A Michigan Republican spoke to a QAnon podcast just after the 2020 election where she made some bizarre comments about Democrats, Vice News found. Kristina Karamo, who is seen as an extremist in the race to control elections as the Michigan Secretary of State, talked about "child sacrifice" by the Democratic Party. “If you go to the Satanic temple website, they have an entire five-minute video explaining why abortion is a religious ritual,” she said interview. “They literally say that it is a sacrifice, it is a religious ritual for them to have an abortion, it is sick. And as you mentioned, the baby body parts… they sell the organs. There’s a ton of money involved in freshly harvested organs. There’s so much evidence out there.” Organs aren't fully formed during an abortion and wouldn't help anyone, but that logic escaped Karamo, who described it as a kind of church service happening on Satanic altars instead of in medical clinics. The belief is consistent with one of the main QAnon conspiracies and the concept of drinking the blood of the young was a key piece of the PizzaGate conspiracy theory, in which the right claims Democrats are keeping children in basements to drink their blood. A gunman showed up at the local neighborhood pizza parlor known for being a fun place for families as a result of the lies. __________________ ....DISCLAIMER: All of my posts/threads are my expressed typed opinion and the reader is not to assume these comments are absolute fact, law, or truth unless otherwise stated in said post/thread.[/QUOTE] These people were spawned by the Maga king. They truly are the dumbest mother fuckers in the world. Problem is there are a shit ton of dumb mother fuckers and they all fall in line and vote for the best dumb mother fuckers. |
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I had to vote for Katie Hobbs (AZ Gov race) and I can't stand her policies. Politics has really sucked the last few cycles.
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One thing I think is becoming apparent is the Dems really made an error on their focus on abortion. It highlighted that they are even more extreme than the extreme elements of the Republicans on this issue (and unlike Republicans it's all of them). They hitched their wagon to the wrong horse.
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I see his signs in Montgomery County for County Executive. Most of them have this red lettering on top saying in big letters 'DEMOCRATS FOR" Saw my pops sample MoCo ballot and hes a fucking republican. How is that allowed? I thought he was Dem. I get that MoCo is blue so the Rs dont put their party on their signs .. but the "democrats for" is intentionally misleading. if you know the people you are looking to lead arent for your policies .. maybe change your platform or move to where your opinion is shared by your county. |
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[quote=SunnySide;1327567]I see his signs in Montgomery County for County Executive. Most of them have this red lettering on top saying in big letters 'DEMOCRATS FOR"
[B]Saw my pops sample MoCo ballot and hes a fucking republican. How is that allowed? [/B] I thought he was Dem. I get that MoCo is blue so the Rs dont put their party on their signs .. but the "democrats for" is intentionally misleading. if you know the people you are looking to lead arent for your policies .. maybe change your platform or move to where your opinion is shared by your county.[/quote] Does he believe in God too? |
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[quote=nonniey;1327520]One thing I think is becoming apparent is the Dems really made an error on their focus on abortion. It highlighted that they are even more extreme than the extreme elements of the Republicans on this issue (and unlike Republicans it's all of them). They hitched their wagon to the wrong horse.[/quote]
Then have those red states put abortion up for vote. No? You dont want a repeat of what happened in Kansas .. where "we the people" spoke and supported reasonable access to abortions? All democrats are more extreme then the extreme portion of republicans? Okay nonniey ... have a good one. |
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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1327569]Does he believe in God too?[/quote]
god(s) .. all 2 million or however many humans created to date are fake. Please dont ask me about your god, you wont like what I have to say. |
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[quote=SunnySide;1327581]Are you serious? You want to troll me with a god comment?
God, all 2 million of them, are made up bullshit by people who thought the earth was flat and the center of the universe. I dont bash your god on here .. I do sometimes bash evangelical nationalists but thats done with through the lens of political discussion [B](maybe I cross the line sometimes)[/B] Christmas is actually a re-brand of Saturnalia a roman holiday on Dec 17 were they had festivals and exchanged gifts. It helped sell christianity. Religion is the worst most destructive creation of man You want to introduce "god" into this discussion? fuck your god, hes a fake and anyone who believes in religion is dumb af In december I put a fat inflatable pig with christmas regalia in my front yard just to reinforce christmas is now a non religious capitalist bullshit holiday. Much like all religions .. its bullshit. Please dont ask me about your "god" again.[/quote] Understatement of the year award contender right here. Wasn't trolling. I feel like most guys are influenced by their parents, and especially their dad. Was just curious if he also believed in God too. Interesting, to me at least, that if he was a christian republican and you grew up to be neither. |
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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1327588]Understatement of the year award contender right here.
Wasn't trolling. I feel like most guys are influenced by their parents, and especially their dad. Was just curious if he also believed in God too. Interesting, to me at least, that if he was a christian republican and you grew up to be neither.[/quote] 1. i apologize for my rant, really do. I try to keep my anti religion out of here. 2. im non religious. dad died when i was young, my step dad is jewish but we are a non religious 3. I dont know where my original post opens the door to my dads religion? I was talking about a local election candidate .. when I said "hes fucking republican" I was referring to republican reardon sullivan putting out signs implying hes democrat. Nothing to do with my dad other than he is a resident of Montgomery County and when I saw his sample ballot i learned the sullivan guy is actually republcian and not Dem as his signs misleading imply. |
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[quote=SunnySide;1327591]1. i apologize for my rant, really do. I try to keep my anti religion out of here.
2. im non religious. dad died when i was young, my step dad is jewish but we are a non religious 3. I dont know where my original post opens the door to my dads religion? I was talking about a local election candidate .. when I said "hes fucking republican" I was referring to republican reardon sullivan putting out signs implying hes democrat. Nothing to do with my dad other than he is a resident of Montgomery County and when I saw his sample ballot i learned the sullivan guy is actually republcian and not Dem as his signs misleading imply.[/quote] I totally misunderstood your original post. I thought you meant that his sample ballot said that he himself was republican, not a certain candidate. My bad. Sorry to hear about your dad. I had no idea. |
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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1327594]I totally misunderstood your original post. I thought you meant that his sample ballot said that he himself was republican, not a certain candidate. My bad. [B]Sorry to hear about your dad.[/B] I had no idea.[/quote]
All good dont sweat that. Sorry again for my vitriol. Truly am. Im going to feel bad and reflect on it all day now. Anyway ... elections huh? Are you registered in SC already? We got legalizing weed on our MD ballot, anything cool on the SC ballot? |
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[quote=SunnySide;1327599]All good dont sweat that.
Sorry again for my vitriol. Truly am. Im going to feel bad and reflect on it all day now. Anyway ... elections huh? Are you registered in SC already? We got legalizing weed on our MD ballot, anything cool on the SC ballot?[/quote] No worries. Yep, I'm all registered now. To be honest, I really haven't paid much attention to the SC candidates/issues yet. Very lazy on my part. I will need to spend the weekend doing some research. I don't watch much cable anymore, so I don't actually hear about local politics. I feel like I know way more about GA than SC, because watching all the Braves games basically, I got bombarded with political commercials for months for them. Actually need a lot more initiative now, which is a good thing, to research things I actually want to vote for here. |
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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1327601]No worries.
Yep, I'm all registered now. To be honest, I really haven't paid much attention to the SC candidates/issues yet. Very lazy on my part. I will need to spend the weekend doing some research. I don't watch much cable anymore, so I don't actually hear about local politics. I feel like I know way more about GA than SC, because watching all the Braves games basically, I got bombarded with political commercials for months for them. Actually need a lot more initiative now, which is a good thing, to research things I actually want to vote for here.[/quote] I was in LA a few weeks ago ... every single commercial was a political ad. in MD ... we get a lot of VA ads for and against Spanberger. A house of rep seat for northern virginia, very tightly contested, im guessing a ton of out of state money poured into this one. I dont even know who her running mate is, seems the R candidate is running just attack ads (which is fine, run your playbook). I cant remember the last time I saw a commercial for a MD candidate. Im guessing our races arent as contested so why throw money at it. |
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I get to vote for local Board of Ed this year for my zone. I did research on candidates and perhaps I should put this under grinds my gears but since it is an election I will post it here.
Maggie Litz Domanowski sent me a mailing her priority transparency for parents on what is being taught in Baltimore County. The reason I have issue with this is every parent already has access to every lesson being taught in BCPS in their students class. Every lesson is posted on Schoology and the students can access as well as parents whenever they want. The reason a parent won't know what is going on is because they are not taking the time to sit with their kids and say show me what you are learning. These are lazy parents that are not vested in their kids I fail to see why we need to designate more resources supporting these fear mongering lazy parents. I emailed her and told her she needs to quit defending lazy parenting. I haven't seen a reply yet. |
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[quote=SunnySide;1327578]Then have those red states put abortion up for vote.
No? You dont want a repeat of what happened in Kansas .. where "we the people" spoke and supported reasonable access to abortions? All democrats are more extreme then the extreme portion of republicans? Okay nonniey ... have a good one.[/quote] Except Dems aren't proposing reasonable access to abortions they've taken the most unpopular position that the Americans have on abortion - legalized elective abortions at anytime during pregnancy. Only 10% of the population supports that position. As for putting it up to a vote I have no issues - legalized unrestricted abortions up 15 weeks and banning elective abortions after that period would easily win (Even in the bluest states). Problem is getting people to understand what the proposals are. Did you know that Grahams proposal only banned late term elective abortions? He sold it poorly and most Americans thought it was a broad abortion ban. But back to the original thesis. Dems were foolish to make abortion the main focus of their overall campaign. Skilled Republican candidates (by no means a majority are skilled) were able to disarm that line of effort by pointing out the Dems were even more extreme on the issue (Rubio being a good example in his debate with Demmings). The Dems should have focused on election denial and support for Trump and his attempt to overthrow the Republic. |
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To make my Friday way more enjoyable...Omaha...
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[quote=nonniey;1327694]Except Dems aren't proposing reasonable access to abortions they've taken the most unpopular position that the Americans have on abortion - legalized elective abortions at anytime during pregnancy. .[/quote]
That is republican spin , it's simply not true. You seem fine that a republican president stack the court and changed existing law that was established 50 years ago. |
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[quote=SunnySide;1327578]Then have those red states put abortion up for vote.
No? You dont want a repeat of what happened in Kansas .. where "we the people" spoke and supported reasonable access to abortions? All democrats are more extreme then the extreme portion of republicans? Okay nonniey ... have a good one.[/quote] I think everyone wants that actually, legislation…people voices to be heard. |
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[quote=Giantone;1327701]That is republican spin , it's simply not true. You seem fine that a republican president stack the court and changed existing law that was established 50 years ago.[/quote]
Hey Giant proof is in the pudding the bill the Dems tried to pass (only 1 Dem opposed) and promises to pass in the future prevents any restrictions on elective abortions at anytime during pregnancy (and pays for them). That of course is way beyond what restrictions Roe prevented. |
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[quote=SunnySide;1327578]Th.....
All democrats are more extreme then the extreme portion of republicans? Okay nonniey ... have a good one.[/quote] Yeah, you are right there was 1 that voted against the bill. So almost all. |
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[quote=nonniey;1327694]Except Dems aren't proposing reasonable access to abortions they've taken the most unpopular position that the Americans have on abortion -[B] legalized elective abortions at anytime during pregnancy.[/B] Only 10% of the population supports that position.
As for putting it up to a vote I have no issues - legalized unrestricted abortions up 15 weeks and banning elective abortions after that period would easily win (Even in the bluest states). [/quote] Nonniey i respect your opinion bc usually its based in reality and logical and you put up some non-extremist articles so when you say something I accept it as true ... but here man, I dont see anyone supporting late term abortions unless its medically necessary to save the women. Conservatives position is life starts at conception so I also dont believe that conservatives would support a 15 week limit. Can you provide some trusted articles on dems wanting elective late term abortions? Articles on the bluest states like Alabama going along w 15 weeks and only medically necessary abortions after that? |
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(Reuters) - Alabama’s state Senate passed a bill on Tuesday to outlaw nearly all abortions, creating exceptions only to protect the mother’s health, as part of a multistate effort to have the U.S. Supreme Court reconsider a woman’s constitutional right to an abortion.
[url]https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-abortion-alabama/alabama-senate-bans-nearly-all-abortions-including-rape-cases-idUSKCN1SK13E[/url] JACKSON, Miss. — As attorneys argued about abortion laws across the South on Tuesday, a Mississippi judge rejected a request by the state’s only abortion clinic to temporarily block a law that would ban most abortions. Without other developments in the Mississippi lawsuit, the clinic will close at the end of business Wednesday and the state law will take effect Thursday. [url]https://www.politico.com/news/2022/07/05/mississippi-abortion-law-judge-00044133[/url] 13 States (alabama, mississippi, missourri, idaho, oklahoma, s dakota, texas, louississiana, wisconsin) have total bans on abortion, most wout exceptions for rape or incest. 8 more states have total bans or bans after 6 weeks but that is blocked by court but i assume will pass. [url]https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2022/us/abortion-laws-roe-v-wade.html[/url] |
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(8) A prohibition on abortion at any point or points in time prior to fetal viability, including a prohibition or restriction on a particular abortion procedure.
(9) A prohibition on abortion after fetal viability when, in the good-faith medical judgment of the treating health care provider, continuation of the pregnancy would pose a risk to the pregnant patient’s life or health. (10) A limitation on a health care provider’s ability to provide immediate abortion services when that health care provider believes, based on the good-faith medical judgment of the provider, that delay would pose a risk to the patient’s health. [url]https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/3755/text[/url] This is from the symbolic Bill dems tried to pass. It does not seek to allow abortions at any time .. it says fetal viability which has always been the standard under Roe. Maybe you were referring on another bill .. |
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[quote=SunnySide;1327718]Nonniey i respect your opinion bc usually its based in reality and logical and you put up some non-extremist articles so when you say something I accept it as true ... but here man, I dont see anyone supporting late term abortions unless its medically necessary to save the women.
Conservatives position is life starts at conception so I also dont believe that conservatives would support a 15 week limit. Can you provide some trusted articles on dems wanting elective late term abortions? Articles on the bluest states like Alabama going along w 15 weeks and only medically necessary abortions after that?[/quote] Except that is exactly what the Dems bill does- protects legalized elective abortions. They basically want to impose Vermont's law on the entire country. Roe versus Wade allowed states to put in limited restrictions after 24 weeks (in reality too limited in effect). The Dems want to prevent states from even those Roe permitted limitations. Less than 2% of all abortions are late term (after 15 weeks) or 10K-15K total. Unfortunately, it turns out most of those are elective. The Dems want to continue to allow those elective abortions to be done and specifically have drawn up legislation to protect that practice. |
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[quote=nonniey;1327723]Except that is exactly what the Dems bill does- protects legalized elective abortions. They basically want to impose Vermont's law on the entire country. Roe versus Wade allowed states to put in limited restrictions after 24 weeks (in reality too limited in effect). The Dems want to prevent states from even those Roe permitted limitations. Less than 2% of all abortions are late term (after 15 weeks) or 10K-15K total. Unfortunately, it turns out most of those are elective. The Dems want to continue to allow those elective abortions to be done and specifically have drawn up legislation to protect that practice.[/quote]
You said Dems want abortion at any time. I showed you the bill language it was up to viability. You said red states support a 15 week limit. I showed you that many red states have and want a total ban. But yeah .. dems are the extreme ones. Disappointed in your subjective opinionated response honestly. If you have trusted articles and facts .. post em and Ill read them and consider. |
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Wisconsin Republicans, who have had a viselike grip on the Legislature since enacting the nation’s most aggressive gerrymander after their 2010 sweep of the state’s elections, make no apologies for pressing their advantage to its limits. Michels, the party’s nominee for governor, told supporters this week, “Republicans will never lose another election in Wisconsin after I’m elected governor.”
Former Rep. Reid Ribble, a Republican who served northeastern Wisconsin, said, “There’s a lot of complaining about gerrymandered House or state Assembly seats, and there’s some truth to that.” “When you can win a majority of voters and have close to a third of the seats, it’s not true democracy,” said Greta Neubauer, the Democratic leader in the State Assembly. “We are very much at risk of people deciding that it’s not worthwhile for them to continue to engage because they see how rigged the system is against the people of the state in favor of Republican politicians.” In northwest Wisconsin, the three incumbent Democratic legislators decided against running for reelection under new, more Republican-friendly maps. Under the old maps, Biden carried each of the districts, which are home to large numbers of unionized workers in paper mills, mines and shipyards. Under the new lines Republicans adopted last year, Trump would have won them all. [url]https://www.yahoo.com/news/wisconsin-republicans-stand-verge-total-125129138.html[/url] Im feel like disengaging as well .. whats the point. States can have more democrat voters then republican but due to gerrymandering have no say. Political system is broken. |
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[quote=SunnySide;1327724]You said Dems want abortion at any time. I showed you the bill language it was up to viability.
You said red states support a 15 week limit. I showed you that many red states have and want a total ban. But yeah .. dems are the extreme ones. Disappointed in your subjective opinionated response honestly. If you have trusted articles and facts .. post em and Ill read them and consider.[/quote] I said Dems have taken the most extreme position in the abortion debate and with only 10% supporting what they want to permit. Republicans have also taken the extreme positions as you have shown but a bit more of the population supports those positions than they do the Dems position. As to late term abortions - here you go. Under HR3577 Section 4 Permitted services A1-9 These restrictions essentially eliminate any limitations states can impose. It turns late term abortions to strictly between the woman and the abortion provider (Same as Vermont). Example current Virginia law generally prohibits abortion after viability, unless performed by a licensed physician in a licensed hospital with three physicians certifying that the continuation of the pregnancy will result in death of the pregnant person or impair their mental or physical health.[1] It also prohibits the D&X method of abortion.[2] Virginia also limits public funding for abortion.[3] Virginia law generally requires that a parent or “authorized person” be notified prior to a minor’s abortion[4] and consent to it.[5] Alternatively, a judge can approve a minor’s petition. HR 3577 bars all those restrictions. This is key as well. "A prohibition on abortion after fetal viability when, in the [B]good-faith medical judgment of the treating health care provider,[/B] continuation of the pregnancy would pose a risk to the pregnant patient’s life or health." [B]The bolded above is not a “meaningful limitation[/B]” on late-term abortion and would effectively allow abortions until birth (and has). That combined with the restrictions listed section 4 means the woman and the abortion provider alone is all that is needed to perform late term abortions. As has been shown in the board on multiple occasions (Guttmacher studies) the majority of 10-15k late term abortions are elective - so we already know some abortion providers are willing to do this. This bill just further frees them up. Need I remind you that Dr. Gosnell was an abortion health care provider. There really isn't a question that late term elective abortions are being done - this bill prevents any road blocks states might impose to limit those abortions (Even removing the limitations some States already had in place under Roe ie Virginia's). |
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