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I'm still so pissed off. I don't have any motivation to do anything besides lay in bed and stew.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1332930]I'm still so pissed off. I don't have any motivation to do anything besides lay in bed and stew.[/quote]

LOL! This game really bothered me.

We are better then the Giants, so frustrating. how can you be so flat out of the gates after a bye.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1332930]I'm still so pissed off. I don't have any motivation to do anything besides lay in bed and stew.[/quote]

I wasn't even surprised man, yes our offense is trash and yes TH made some poor decisions but the OL sucked, we had ZERO fucking pass rush.. CY will never play again apaprently and the NFL hates us... You have to play perfect football for this team to win games. Even if we get in we are 1 and done

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Fuck Hussey right in his Bussy.

The worst part about the refs is no accountability. It's the Redskins so just pretend like the call was correct and it will all just go away.

As Hussey explained it, "Pass interference is a judgment call. To the officials, it didn't rise to what they felt was a restriction, thus they didn't call it."

Fuck Daboll too. Big, lying, fat fuck.

[url]https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/35284241/commanders-dispute-penalties-called-missed-loss-giants[/url]

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1332932]I wasn't even surprised man, yes our offense is trash and yes TH made some poor decisions but the OL sucked, we had ZERO fucking pass rush.. CY will never play again apaprently and the NFL hates us... You have to play perfect football for this team to win games. Even if we get in we are 1 and done[/quote]

Yeah, this sorry ass offense definitely can't overcome giving up a defensive touchdown. Fucking Leno got embarrassed.

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Let’s not let Ron off the hook. His team came out flat AF after a bye against the same team we just played. Dude brings nothing to the table. Apparently doesn’t motivate anyone, isn’t a very good in game Coach, is a terrible GM.

Oline might be the worst pass pro line Ive ever seen. Scott Turner is complete garbage. He just is too stubborn to understand what his offense is capable of. Logan Thomas days of being a TE-1 are long gone. Taylor Heinicke cannot read the field, and he underthrows or overthrows almost every other ball. Never hits anyone in stride.
Basically outside of wr and rb our offense needs a complete overhaul.

Defense played well, but we really struggle getting to the quarterback. Bostic, there are no words.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1332930]I'm still so pissed off. I don't have any motivation to do anything besides lay in bed and [B]stew[/B].[/quote]


Yum that sounds delicious on a cold day. I hope it is a lamb stew with root vegetables

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1332932]I wasn't even surprised man, yes our offense is trash and yes TH made some poor decisions but the OL sucked, we had ZERO fucking pass rush.. CY will never play again apaprently and the NFL hates us... You have to play perfect football for this team to win games. Even if we get in we are 1 and done[/quote]

Actually, Heinicke made only 1 poor decision in the game and got away with it. The fumbling issue which was key really doesn't go into the decision category.

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The good vibes from the past few weeks have disappeared. The reality is with Heinicke we are limited - he has the magic in special moments but overall he's not consistent enough to be a long term starter. His vision isn't great - even that big completion to Curtis Samuel would've been a TD if we had a better qb that got the ball out earlier.

I'm trying to focus on something other than the refs - that sideline ref can suck the biggest bag of dicks. He did Terry dirty on that call. And all the missed calls and the ticky-tack calls - I don't wanna believe a ref would bet on games in 2022 but I can't remember the last time the calls were so bad. My tinfoil hat is for this one.

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[quote=nonniey;1332940]Actually, Heinicke made only 1 poor decision in the game and got away with it. The fumbling issue which was key really doesn't go into the decision category.[/quote]

You're slipping - that throw into the endzone after the high snap was an absolutely horrible decision.

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Other gripes - thought the playcalling had weak moments - like running Curtis Samuel up the middle on third down. Running Samuel was bad the entire game - they were ready for him every time. Not chipping Thibodeaux - he embarrassed everyone he was lined up against. Overall I'm not impressed with Scott Turner. He needs to understand Heinicke and the offense's limitations and game plan around that.

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[quote=mooby;1332941]The good vibes from the past few weeks have disappeared. [B]The reality is with Heinicke we are limited - he has the magic in special moments but overall he's not consistent enough to be a long term starter. His vision isn't great - even that big completion to Curtis Samuel would've been a TD if we had a better qb that got the ball out earlier.[/B]

I'm trying to focus on something other than the refs - that sideline ref can suck the biggest bag of dicks. He did Terry dirty on that call. And all the missed calls and the ticky-tack calls - I don't wanna believe a ref would bet on games in 2022 but I can't remember the last time the calls were so bad. My tinfoil hat is for this one.[/quote]

We are WELL below average at:

1. Offensive Coordinator
2. QB
3. Offensive Line

But besides that, we're pretty strong on offense lol.

The offense needs a complete and utter overhaul going into next year. Glad the defense is playing better. We need to add a CB and a LB (maybe a couple more depth guys), but we should have lots of resources available to fix the offense.

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[quote=mooby;1332941]The good vibes from the past few weeks have disappeared. The reality is with Heinicke we are limited - he has the magic in special moments but overall he's not consistent enough to be a long term starter. His vision isn't great - [B]even that big completion to Curtis Samuel would've been a TD if we had a better qb that got the ball out earlier.[/B]

I'm trying to focus on something other than the refs - that sideline ref can suck the biggest bag of dicks. He did Terry dirty on that call. And all the missed calls and the ticky-tack calls - I don't wanna believe a ref would bet on games in 2022 but I can't remember the last time the calls were so bad. My tinfoil hat is for this one.[/quote]

i was totally thinking that! that should have been a TD and nearly was a incomplete pass

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[quote=mooby;1332944]Other gripes - thought the playcalling had weak moments - like running Curtis Samuel up the middle on third down. Running Samuel was bad the entire game - they were ready for him every time. Not chipping Thibodeaux - he embarrassed everyone he was lined up against. Overall I'm not impressed with Scott Turner. [B]He needs to understand Heinicke and the offense's limitations and game plan around that.[/B][/quote]

I have lots of complaints about him, but this is the main one. He refuses to call a game based on the personnel he has. He just can't stick to what works. He is either too stupid or too stubborn to call this offense the best it can be done w/ all the shortcomings on the roster.

If his name was Scott Bubkis, there is no way he would have this job.

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[quote=mredskins;1332946]i was totally thinking that! that should have been a TD and nearly was a incomplete pass[/quote]

Heinicke is so bad, I'm just happy when the ball gets to our WR where they can catch it, without getting killed.

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[QUOTE=nonniey;1332940]Actually, Heinicke made only 1 poor decision in the game and got away with it. The fumbling issue which was key really doesn't go into the decision category.[/QUOTE]


Idk about that. He definitely missed more than a couple open guys and threw where he shouldn’t have - sort of a hallmark of his.

Also he overthrew/ underthrew a few. Another hallmark. Not poor decision making there but poor play.

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TH is just too limited for any real sustained success.

The winning streak was nice but let's be honest a lot of things have to go right for TH's limitations to not burn you. This offense has a very low margin for error with him under center.

Didn't help the defense got gashed and the refs were their usual garbage selves.

Going back to Wentz has to be a real discussion now.

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[QUOTE=MTK;1332950]TH is just too limited for any real sustained success.

The winning streak was nice but let's be honest a lot of things have to go right for TH's limitations to not burn you. This offense has a very low margin for error with him under center.

Didn't help the defense got gashed and the refs were their usual garbage selves.[/QUOTE]


This is the reason so many of us want Howell. Ok he’s a rookie who cares?? All of these rookies are playing now. I don’t want Wentz but man his arm is so much better than THs.

We can beat the bad teams but there is probably a 10% chance we win Saturday. Hell maybe less. SF is playing like the 2nd best team in football right now.

How are we going to score on that defense???


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[quote=punch it in;1332936]Let’s not let Ron off the hook. His team came out flat AF after a bye against the same team we just played. Dude brings nothing to the table. Apparently doesn’t motivate anyone, isn’t a very good in game Coach, is a terrible GM.

Oline might be the worst pass pro line Ive ever seen. Scott Turner is complete garbage. He just is too stubborn to understand what his offense is capable of. Logan Thomas days of being a TE-1 are long gone. Taylor Heinicke cannot read the field, and he underthrows or overthrows almost every other ball. Never hits anyone in stride.
Basically outside of wr and rb our offense needs a complete overhaul.

Defense played well, but we really struggle getting to the quarterback. Bostic, there are no words.[/quote]

That sums up our current group. Once again, Rivera's record speaks for itself. He has to take full responsibility for Scott Turner's ineptness and a crappy o-line.

Defensively, we're too reliant on Allen and Payne.

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[quote=MTK;1332950][B]TH is just too limited for any real sustained success[/B].

The winning streak was nice but let's be honest a lot of things have to go right for TH's limitations to not burn you. This offense has a very low margin for error with him under center.

Didn't help the defense got gashed and the refs were their usual garbage selves.

Going back to Wentz has to be a real discussion now.[/quote]

This is the biggest takeaway for me. Scott Turners job right now is very difficult. He has to try to scheme around a QB who cannot process and read the field very well, AND also cannot get the ball to WRs who are open very well either. And, an offensive line that cannot stop hardly anyone's pass rush. B Rob is his only sure bet right now...because Gibson is always a fumble away from ruining a drive in the back of his mind. I'm not forgiving him totally here, after 3 Samuel runs that got totally stuffed, maybe move away from those and just give it to B Rob more since he was rolling. And why can't we run a successful screen pass? You don't have to have a good oline to do that...but they can't and don't do them. Like others have said, this team has to play a perfect game AND get a few breaks...and they didn't either last night.

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[quote=mooby;1332944]Other gripes - thought the playcalling had weak moments - like running Curtis Samuel up the middle on third down. Running Samuel was bad the entire game - they were ready for him every time. Not chipping Thibodeaux - he embarrassed everyone he was lined up against. Overall I'm not impressed with Scott Turner. [B]He needs to understand Heinicke and the offense's limitations and game plan around that.[/B][/quote]

I've been saying that for weeks! I'm positive Shanahan would get the most outta Heinicke and this offense as he'd be keenly aware of what he's working with from a QB and o-line standpoint.

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That last play was so bad even Dallas and Philly fans are saying we got fucked

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1332960]That last play was so bad even Dallas and Philly fans are saying we got fucked[/quote]

My best friend, a Cowboy fan, texted me last night after the game and said, "A mugging."

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Despite the bs from the refs, if you're going to be a real playoff team you bury the Giants at home. We are not good enough to do that. It's the same old same old.. Heinicke, play calling, Turner, o-line..

Why do you run Samuel into the teeth of the defense and take BR out of the game? How stupid is that? Why does Ron let that happen? That is the dumbest shit ever. Take out BR who is running over the Giants and then give the ball to your 185lb WR to run up the middle. SMH...

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When it comes down to it you can't put it in the refs hands. If you are going to be a real playoff team you just beat the crap out of NY like the Eagles did and not put yourself in that situation. That's what the really good teams do. The Bengals just destroyed TB in the 2nd h. That is what you do.

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It's super frustrating because I still think we have the better team, but they obviously outplayed us last night. Sucks man, should have had that one. Have to find a way to take 2 our of these last 3 now to have a shot.

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1/10 on 3rd down conversion, but only 1 true 3 and out possession.

Turner is handcuffed with playing calling. Heinike just limits what yo can do, makes what we do do predictable and the O line is below average. Leno left alone is becoming a problem. Outside of receivers making incredible 50-50 catches and runs up the middle ... youd think the PA would be killer.

Jones ran 10/35. D goal no. 1 seemed to be not let Jones beat you with his feet so we called lots of zone vs man, spied him ... we achieved goal no. 1 but at what cost.

5 down lineman has been our answer to stopping the run past few weeks, Giants audibled out of a play early when we went 5 DL, got a nice pass play and we seemed hesitant to go 5 DL as much

Sweat - Im sure he'll have a decent PFF grade but hes been Kerrigan this year, quiet for long stretches then has a big stat game.

Allen/payne - Giants just doubled and chipped those guys right out of the equation.

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Bad luck at times, bad ref calls at times (hold on Lucas to negate a 11 yd run right before Thib scoop and score was BS)

Giants were the better team.

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For MLB games, you can look up an umpire scorecard for each game to see if the umps favored one team or another. Ex)

[IMG]https://i.redd.it/224sgh9iaf871.png[/IMG]

Not sure if someone does this for NFL games, but I haven't seen it. Sure would be cool if they did.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1332964]Despite the bs from the refs, if you're going to be a real playoff team you bury the Giants at home. We are not good enough to do that. It's the same old same old.. Heinicke, play calling, Turner, o-line..

Why do you run Samuel into the teeth of the defense and take BR out of the game? How stupid is that? Why does Ron let that happen? That is the dumbest shit ever. Take out BR who is running over the Giants and then give the ball to your 185lb WR to run up the middle. SMH...[/quote]

On a 3rd and 3!! I'm not a fan of it on any down/distance, but that's egregiously fucking stupid. Only a dumbass would call that.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1332970]On a 3rd and 3!! I'm not a fan of it on any down/distance, but that's egregiously fucking stupid. Only a dumbass would call that.[/quote]

Anybody got a video of it?

Was that an empty set look then put Samuels in motion to back field?

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Ron definitely looking bad with the Scott Turner over Kevin O'Connell move - O'Connell just lead the greatest comeback in NFL history on Saturday and Turner is running Curtis Samuel up the middle on 3rd down lol.

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[quote=MTK;1332967][IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FkWfUHjWAAIqM_V?format=jpg&name=small[/IMG][/quote]

That's not how you coach 'em up?

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[quote=mooby;1332972]Ron definitely looking bad with the Scott Turner over Kevin O'Connell move - O'Connell just lead the greatest comeback in NFL history on Saturday and Turner is running Curtis Samuel up the middle on 3rd down lol.[/quote]

Main difference is they have a legit QB, something Turner hasn't had the luxury of having here.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1332973]That's not how you coach 'em up?[/quote]

I can't decide which one was worse - the Curtis Samuel mugging no call or the ref telling Terry he was good then immediately flagging him. Fuck 'em.

With that being said that's not why we lost - we lost because our D couldn't handle them and because Heinicke is limited as a qb.

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[quote=MTK;1332974]Main difference is they have a legit QB, something Turner hasn't had the luxury of having here.[/quote]

This is true but Ron has filled the position with stopgaps since Haskins left - he is as much to blame here as Scott Turner.

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3-7 in the first half

Giants pinned to their 3 yd line.

Giants reel off an 18 play, 97 yard TD drive that ate up 8:35 mins

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[quote=mooby;1332976]This is true but Ron has filled the position with stopgaps since Haskins left - he is as much to blame here as Scott Turner.[/quote]

And we'll be back in the QB hunt again this offseason, still haven't managed to replace Kurt. Thanks Bruce.

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[quote=SunnySide;1332971]Anybody got a video of it?

Was that an empty set look then put Samuels in motion to back field?[/quote]

I can find tweets of people complaining about how stupid the playcall was, but I can't actually find a clip of it. I'm assuming he at least started in motion to get set in the backfield. Every Turner play requires 5 guys to go in motion at some point before hiking the ball.

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[quote=SunnySide;1332977]3-7 in the first half

Giants pinned to their 3 yd line.

Giants reel off an 18 play, 97 yard TD drive that ate up 8:35 mins[/quote]

Just inexcusable by our D. They got shredded.