Commanders 2023 Free Agency Thread
 

Teams can begin negotiating March 13th (less than 2 weeks) and signing unrestricted FA's March 15th. It's always football season.

Top 100 FA's:

[url]https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2023/02/27/nfl-top-100-2023-free-agents-lamar-jackson-derek-carr-geno-smith-top-the-list/[/url]

14 LB's on the list
11 CB's on the list
5 G's on the list
9 OT's on the list

Not all of them will remain on there. For example, Payne is on here, but he's been franchised.

Would be nice to pluck 1 or 2 guys from this list.

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I wouldn't mind bringing Orlando Brown Jr. Move Leno to RT and move Cosmi to guard. You can still draft a young tackle.

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I'd suggest picking up 2 OL, 1 or even 2 LB and a CB off that list would be great and enable mostly BPA drafting (or trading down). If I had to choose, I'd like to get:

McGlinchey - solid RT and draft LT (and/or see if Cosmi can fit the bill as I believe was originally planned). I'd try and pick up a G or C too.
Wagner - and re-sign Holcomb. With Davis that would be a great 3some to cover the 2 LB positions
Bradberry or Jones @ CB - we still need to draft a CB, but either of these guys should be able to plug straight in opposite Fuller.
I'd also look at Gesicki as I think Bieniemy could get good production out of him in a similar vein to Kelce.

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Can't imagine they will be very active in the free agent market with everything going on behind the scenes, especially with any high dollar free agents. I mean how do you conduct business as usual when you're selling the team first, and second...we're talking about Dan Snyder...so absolutely no way to predict anything when it comes to his decision making.

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[quote=AnonEmouse;1338664]I'd suggest picking up 2 OL, 1 or even 2 LB and a CB off that list would be great and enable mostly BPA drafting (or trading down). If I had to choose, I'd like to get:

McGlinchey - solid RT and draft LT (and/or see if Cosmi can fit the bill as I believe was originally planned). I'd try and pick up a G or C too.
Wagner - and re-sign Holcomb. With Davis that would be a great 3some to cover the 2 LB positions
Bradberry or Jones @ CB - we still need to draft a CB, but either of these guys should be able to plug straight in opposite Fuller.
I'd also look at Gesicki as I think Bieniemy could get good production out of him in a similar vein to Kelce.[/quote]

Wagner will likely be looking for a SB contender team like the Chiefs, Iggles, or Bills.

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I think the timing of the franchise tag on Payne (a quick decision instead of further negotiations) is an indicator of the Redskins ability to sign free agents. I think it is becoming apparent that the franchise has a cash flow problem that won't be resolved until the team is sold. I think they were working under the premise that they couldn't afford the bonus that any long term deal with Payne would entail, so they just went ahead and immediately franchised him. If I'm right about this, one shouldn't expect the Skins to be players in free agency.

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This isn’t the first time a team has been sold. I don’t think that free agency will be affected.

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[quote=punch it in;1338672]This isn’t the first time a team has been sold. I don’t think that free agency will be affected.[/quote]

The Broncos made a major move to get Russell Wilson in the middle of the team changing ownership. I'm sure free agency will run as usual, with hopefully little to no input from Snyder.

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[QUOTE=Ruhskins;1338676]The Broncos made a major move to get Russell Wilson in the middle of the team changing ownership. I'm sure free agency will run as usual, with hopefully little to no input from Snyder.[/QUOTE]


Talking billions of dollars changing hands. How does a player’s salary even matter?

No input from Snyder has such a nice ring to it.

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Sounds like Dan has some very real cash flow problems, and since future guaranteed money needs to be put into escrow up front this could definitely impact free agency.

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I know of one decision that could alleviate those cash flow problems...

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With Bobby McCain gone in the secondary, I’d like to see the team bring back Danny Johnson. His play has earned it over the last couple years as a top end back up on the field.

More so than Troy Apke or Wildgoose.

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If they are truly strapped for cash, the smartest thing would be to try to trade Payne to the highest bidder. If they can't be big players in free agency, they need to stock up on picks and free up that $19 mil. Assuming they want to compete this year.

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This has to be just a nightmare for Ron and the front office right now. They are trying to do everything to win and compete to keep their jobs, while EVERYTHING with the owner is just in complete turmoil...and they're the ones that keep have to answering questions about it.

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[quote=Redskins247;1338712]This has to be just a nightmare for Ron and the front office right now. They are trying to do everything to win and compete to keep their jobs, while EVERYTHING with the owner is just in complete turmoil...and they're the ones that keep have to answering questions about it.[/quote]

This is exactly why when judging RR's body of work here, I always take that into consideration.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1338710]If they are truly strapped for cash, the smartest thing would be to try to trade Payne to the highest bidder. If they can't be big players in free agency, they need to stock up on picks and free up that $19 mil. Assuming they want to compete this year.[/quote]

I like this, particularly because I think Mathis can fill the void he leaves. Think they would have to sign him to a contract to trade him for a good return though and that might be a problem.

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[quote=mredskins;1338730]This is exactly why when judging RR's body of work here, I always take that into consideration.[/quote]

I don't think it can be understated...having to WORK with Dan AND Tanya, Cancer, the name change, and probably worst of all...all the media attention from Dan's filth showing up in the news on a weekly basis the last 3 years...and somehow he's kept the team competitive with Taylor as his QB.

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Very true.

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[quote=Redskins247;1338733]I don't think it can be understated...having to WORK with Dan AND Tanya, Cancer, the name change, and probably worst of all...all the media attention from Dan's filth showing up in the news on a weekly basis the last 3 years...and somehow he's kept the team competitive with Taylor as his QB.[/quote]

Agree

Its like they told RR to make a PBJ sandwich then hand him one piece of stale bread and a ketchup packet; all things considered he has doing an amazing job.

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Until this offseason there has been no issue with money. Ron decimated our oline, wanted Wentz, and has been abysmal with time management and our team has been unprepared countless times to start games, and second halfs with lack of necessary adjustments. He had more than a few losing seasons in Carolina before he got shit canned there. Yes Snyder is the absolute worst owner in sport’s history, but Ron is a bad HC.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1338710]If they are truly strapped for cash, the smartest thing would be to try to trade Payne to the highest bidder. If they can't be big players in free agency, they need to stock up on picks and free up that $19 mil. Assuming they want to compete this year.[/quote]

The point is the cash flow. That $19 million gets paid in installments over the 17 game season. If there is a cash flow problem it is easier to handle the franchise tag than it would be to spend all 19 now.

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[quote=punch it in;1338764]Until this offseason there has been no issue with money. Ron decimated our oline, wanted Wentz, and has been abysmal with time management and our team has been unprepared countless times to start games, and second halfs with lack of necessary adjustments. He had more than a few losing seasons in Carolina before he got shit canned there. Yes Snyder is the absolute worst owner in sport’s history, but [B]Ron is a bad HC[/B].[/quote]

The bold part is a little bit excessive, IMO. Rivera hasn't sunk low to Zorn's level. At worst, Rivera is a mediocre coach.

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[quote=mredskins;1338730]This is exactly why when judging RR's body of work here, I always take that into consideration.[/quote]

The fact that RR has managed to field a somewhat functional team under Snyder is unimaginable. This is why I don't get fans that for some reason loathe RR.

Go listen to any podcast where Don Van Atta is talking about his most recent story and talks about all the financial dysfunction within the team. The fact that we've been mediocre is a miracle.

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[quote=punch it in;1338764]Until this offseason there has been no issue with money. Ron decimated our oline, wanted Wentz, and has been abysmal with time management and our team has been unprepared countless times to start games, and second halfs with lack of necessary adjustments. He had more than a few losing seasons in Carolina before he got shit canned there. Yes Snyder is the absolute worst owner in sport’s history, but Ron is a bad HC.[/quote]

- Ron made some bad decisions on the o-line. But Ereck Flowers is still a free agent and Schreff wanted out of the team.

- Snyder wanted Wentz.

- Scott Turner's play calling and lack of adjustment were a big issue. Ron's fault is basically hiring Turner.

I think you're reaching here. He hasn't been the best coach, but he hasn't been the worst, especially under the terrible Snyder circumstances. The ownership of this team is a clusterf*ck and it is ridiculous to brush that aside and pin everything on Ron.

I'm sure that there are plenty of things that are within his control, that Ron could have done better. But you could have brought Beichick and Brady in their primes here to DC and Snyder would still be a handicap to them.

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Also, great thread from JP about the recent scorecards from the NFLPA survey about team's facilities and treatment of players:

[url]https://twitter.com/JPFinlayNBCS/status/1631016554665070610[/url]

A lot of fans always get bent out of shape because they didn't get X player or why they could only get Y player.

Much of what is in this report card is probably widely known among NFL players. And as JP says, a lot of these issues are related to money decisions, and there's only one person that makes those decisions: Danny Boy.

Also, think about the work it takes to motivate players to play under these shitty conditions.

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[QUOTE=Ruhskins;1338770]- Ron made some bad decisions on the o-line. But Ereck Flowers is still a free agent and Schreff wanted out of the team.

- Snyder wanted Wentz.

- Scott Turner's play calling and lack of adjustment were a big issue. Ron's fault is basically hiring Turner.

I think you're reaching here. He hasn't been the best coach, but he hasn't been the worst, especially under the terrible Snyder circumstances. The ownership of this team is a clusterf*ck and it is ridiculous to brush that aside and pin everything on Ron.

I'm sure that there are plenty of things that are within his control, that Ron could have done better. But you could have brought Beichick and Brady in their primes here to DC and Snyder would still be a handicap to them.[/QUOTE]


I didn’t call him the worst. I called him bad. I stand by that.

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[quote=punch it in;1338779]I didn’t call him the worst. I called him bad. I stand by that.[/quote]

Eh, it's your opinion. I'd like to see a year of him without Snyder and I'll make my decision.

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[QUOTE=GridIron26;1338768]The bold part is a little bit excessive, IMO. Rivera hasn't sunk low to Zorn's level. At worst, Rivera is a mediocre coach.[/QUOTE]


Again didn’t call him the worst, or Zorn… lol. Called him a bad HC. You are either bad or good. Mediocre is a nice way of saying bad.

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[QUOTE=Ruhskins;1338781]Eh, it's your opinion. I'd like to see a year of him without Snyder and I'll make my decision.[/QUOTE]


6 out of 9 years in Carolina, obviously without Snyder he had losing records. Had two good years and one great year - when Cam went full Superman.

Let Ron hang around for a couple more years, maybe three, get the Snyder stink and possible lack of free agency maneuverability out of the way and than make your call. I’ve seen enough personally. I just don’t think he brings anything to the table. He is just there. Needs a great team and staff around him to rise to the occasion but cannot make the most of a little if you know what I mean. See Brian Daboll for a recent example of getting the most out of a team.

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[quote=punch it in;1338783]6 out of 9 years in Carolina, obviously without Snyder he had losing records. Had two good years and one great year - when Cam went full Superman.

Let Ron hang around for a couple more years, maybe three, get the Snyder stink and possible lack of free agency maneuverability out of the way and than make your call. I’ve seen enough personally. I just don’t think he brings anything to the table. He is just there. Needs a great team and staff around him to rise to the occasion but cannot make the most of a little if you know what I mean. See Brian Daboll for a recent example of getting the most out of a team.[/quote]

My problem with your dead set opinion is that you are basically saying anything that Dan Snyder has and is doing doesn't affect the football operations.

You can spin it any way you want it, but that's what you are basically saying.

I'm pretty sure Brian Daboll, Doug Pedersen, or Dan Campbell haven't had to deal with the shit that Ron has to deal every single day from Snyder.

Again, plenty of criticism can be made of Ron, but I just think it is a bit ridiculous to ignore the massive up hill battle he has with this f*cking owner.

Hell, except for Spurrier and Zorn, I think any other coach should be given somewhat of a pass because of the shit they dealt with with Snyder.

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[QUOTE=Ruhskins;1338787]My problem with your dead set opinion is that you are basically saying anything that Dan Snyder has and is doing doesn't affect the football operations.

You can spin it any way you want it, but that's what you are basically saying.

I'm pretty sure Brian Daboll, Doug Pedersen, or Dan Campbell haven't had to deal with the shit that Ron has to deal every single day from Snyder.

Again, plenty of criticism can be made of Ron, but I just think it is a bit ridiculous to ignore the massive up hill battle he has with this f*cking owner.

Hell, except for Spurrier and Zorn, I think any other coach should be given somewhat of a pass because of the shit they dealt with with Snyder.[/QUOTE]


Im not spinning anything Ruh. I do not think Rivera is a good HC.
There are a lot of fans who do not think Ron is a good HC, and trust me when I tell you that what I am NOT saying is that Dan Snyder doesn’t affect football operations. That is silly.
It is possible to have a terrible owner and a bad HC. I mean I don’t think Rons phone was blowing up when he got fired in Carolina because why in the hell would you choose Dan fucking Snyder to work for if you had options.
Listen man if you think Ron is the guy to lead this team that is fine. Im a little curious what it is about him that you like. I can’t really think of anything the guy does well as a HC but thats just me. No biggie.

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[quote=punch it in;1338794]Im not spinning anything Ruh. I do not think Rivera is a good HC.
There are a lot of fans who do not think Ron is a good HC, and trust me when I tell you that what I am NOT saying is that Dan Snyder doesn’t affect football operations. That is silly.
It is possible to have a terrible owner and a bad HC. I mean I don’t think Rons phone was blowing up when he got fired in Carolina because why in the hell would you choose Dan fucking Snyder to work for if you had options.
Listen man if you think Ron is the guy to lead this team that is fine. Im a little curious what it is about him that you like. [B]I can’t really think of anything the guy does well as a HC but thats just me[/B]. No biggie.[/quote]

He does a very good impression of Mount Rushmore as we get another delay of game penalty.

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Ron has done a good job in general with all the crap he has had to deal with … you can’t grade him fair without taking that into consideration.. yes he has made some gaffs and mistakes .. but let’s give him credit also on the positive stuff .. His worse decision in my opinion is the Wentz debacle ( signing him and then starting him..but remember that Taylor also went to Ron and told him to start Wentz… that was a head scratcher) on a scale from 1-10 with 10 being the best .. Ron is in the 5 range .. his strength seems to be in a environment of chaos he somehow has a calming effect as the leader .. my opinion only

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Since Ron has been here he's been left alone. Dan hasn't been meddling. Ron has had final say on everything. It's in his contract and Dan has held up his end by not getting in the way.

Not really sure we could have gotten any better of a coach. Under the circumstances he's been as good as expected. He's not a good game day coach but is probably a really good motivator. Haven't really seen the team quit under him. The players for the most part seem to like him.

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[quote=rocnrik;1338799]Ron has done a good job in general with all the crap he has had to deal with … you can’t grade him fair without taking that into consideration.. yes he has made some gaffs and mistakes .. but let’s give him credit also on the positive stuff .. His worse decision in my opinion is the Wentz debacle ( signing him and then starting him..but remember that Taylor also went to Ron and told him to start Wentz… that was a head scratcher) on a scale from 1-10 with 10 being the best .. Ron is in the 5 range .. his strength seems to be in a environment of chaos he somehow has a calming effect as the leader .. my opinion only[/quote]

The Taylor telling Ron thing was about Howell starting in the last game, not Wentz in the prior game. I am not sure that the start Howell suggestion wasn't in part because he was mad at Ron for benching him for Wentz in the previous game, but Heinicke doesn't strike me as being that petty

For me, starting Wentz wasn't so much the problem as being slow to recognise that Wentz needed to be benched in the second quarter of the Cleveland game while it was still in reach.

My biggest gripe about Ron is how slow he is to acknowledge and act on some things that seem to be blindingly obvious to most everyone else. Multiple games seem to ebb away before something is fixed and the season is just not long enough for that.

He acted so fast in firing Turner at the end of the season that he must have been considering it for a few weeks prior, in which case, with the playoffs on the line why wasn't someone else, Zampese maybe, given play calling duties.

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[quote=EdmundDorf;1338802]The Taylor telling Ron thing was about Howell starting in the last game, not Wentz in the prior game. I am not sure that the start Howell suggestion wasn't in part because he was mad at Ron for benching him for Wentz in the previous game, but Heinicke doesn't strike me as being that petty

For me, starting Wentz wasn't so much the problem as being slow to recognise that Wentz needed to be benched in the second quarter of the Cleveland game while it was still in reach.

My biggest gripe about Ron is how slow he is to acknowledge and act on some things that seem to be blindingly obvious to most everyone else. Multiple games seem to ebb away before something is fixed and the season is just not long enough for that.

He acted so fast in firing Turner at the end of the season that he must have been considering it for a few weeks prior, in which case, with the playoffs on the line why wasn't someone else, Zampese maybe, given play calling duties.[/quote]

Ron is a leader of men , you can’t just keep flipping back and fourth everyone will lose trust in you and be afraid to make mistakes.

It was Turners responsibility to run the offense, he was given all the opportunities afforded to him. If he had made the playoffs he still be here, he didn’t thus he was fired.

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John Keim on Twitter
[quote]
Washington signed former Chiefs WR Marcus Kemp. Primarily a Special teams player. Gives Bieniemy someone in the room familiar with the O.
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Ben Standig on Twitter
[quote]
Marcus Kemp and Cam Sims

Similarities
* Both are 27
* Kemp 6'4", Sims 6'5"
* Both play WR but contribute mostly on special teams

Differences
* Kemp played for Bieniemy in KC. Sims did not
* Kemp is under contract with the Commanders. Sims is not.
[/quote]

Jeremy Reaves on Twitter
[quote]
Bruh a dog on teams
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JLC on NFL XM RADIO "Lamar to Washington is starting to pick up steam at the combine"

[url]https://twitter.com/YouWager_FF/status/1631737953281081356?s=20[/url]

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1338805]JLC on NFL XM RADIO "Lamar to Washington is starting to pick up steam at the combine"

[url]https://twitter.com/YouWager_FF/status/1631737953281081356?s=20[/url][/quote]

Jason La Canfora? Him and Mike florio might be the worst sources in the NFL

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[quote=rocnrik;1338799]Ron has done a good job in general with all the crap he has had to deal with … you can’t grade him fair without taking that into consideration.. yes he has made some gaffs and mistakes .. but let’s give him credit also on the positive stuff .. [B]His worse decision in my opinion is the Wentz debacle[/B] ( signing him and then starting him..but remember that Taylor also went to Ron and told him to start Wentz… that was a head scratcher) on a scale from 1-10 with 10 being the best .. Ron is in the 5 range .. his strength seems to be in a environment of chaos he somehow has a calming effect as the leader .. my opinion only[/quote]

Trading for Wentz was by far the biggest mistake. It hamstrung the ability to upgrade the rest of the roster, taking on that contract. That being said, I don't fault RR for trying something at the QB position. He couldn't just go with Taylor Heinicke - although in hindsight that may have been the better move. The point is, he knew he needed to upgrade the QB position. Wentz was a last resort I'm sure. There was a chance it could have worked out, but it didn't. At least he drafted a QB in Howell and had an out with Wentz's contract.

Not bringing in a more experienced OC was mistake #2. I think the Turner experiment was wrong. He's not his Dad. Maybe he'll end up being a good OC someday, but he just couldn't get out of his own way here, and the suspect OL and QB play was not his friend.

Beyond that, I have no issues with RR. The record doesn't necessarily reflect the coach he is in my opinion. He's done the best he can with the resources he has available to him, which as we are finding out more and more - are and have been limited. Has he made mistakes, sure. The two above are the most glaring, but he's made some in-game mistakes, too. But people on here act like no other coaches - even really good ones - make mistakes with challenges and timeouts, and the like... Or that he's the only 'stoic' head coach roaming the sidelines. The man's been through a lot. I personally appreciate that he is even-keeled.