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[URL="https://www.hogshaven.com/2023/4/30/23691673/2023-nfl-draft-grades-mel-kiper-jr-gives-the-washington-commanders-their-highest-score"]2023 NFL Draft Grades: Mel Kiper Jr gives the Washington Commanders their highest score[/URL]

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I think a B is solid on paper right now.. The Defense has no excuse anymore of giving up big pass plays.

DL should have a bigger impact too with CY Being healthy.

I wish we had grabbed a TE / OL in the 2nd RD but hopefully it'll pan out for us in the end.

Excited to see Sam and Jacoby battle it out this summer

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Went with B since the draft wasn't exactly exciting but at the same time, the team filled in the DB and guard needs. Would have been better if we drafted a LB, although Keim did say that the team had a few LBs they were targeting but they weren't available. Time will tell how the team actually did with the draft.

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Solid B for me too. Obviously we won't really know until 2-3 years but just grading it for what it is right now I like how we doubled down on the defense. The big thing this defense has lacked is big plays/turnovers. A young QB's best friends are a TE, running game, and a strong defense that can give you plenty of short field opportunities. The way NFL offenses operate these days you need a lot of talent and depth in the secondary.

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This is why draft grades are meaningless though

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The draft is absolutely fantastic until proven otherwise. Fuck everyone's mock drafts and big boards. Those mean nothing. The men on the field is what counts.

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This is why draft grades are meaningless though[/quote]

LOL. Wonder if this person is still doing mock drafts for a publication?

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1341550][IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FvBrXq-WYAICyoE?format=jpg&name=900x900[/IMG]

This is why draft grades are meaningless though[/quote]

:laughing-

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I didn't have Kam Curl pegged as a major bargain as a 7th rounder coming out of the draft a few years ago. I also didn't realize McLaurin was going to be much more than a standout special teamer. Neither did any of the talking head experts. Just pointing out tangible examples of how these grades are pretty meaningless.

Still I think you can focus instead on what the team did to position themselves to fill their needs. I thought they could have done more moving up / down to get in a spot where they could fill an offensive line position with a more promising player. The two guys they got might be fine but these are the rounds where we got Wes Martin so...

I think Mayhew and Rivera lack creativity and aggressiveness sometimes (all of the time?). That's a point of frustration for me. As for the players they actually landed, too early to tell but I can see the logic on both Forbes and Quan so I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt and see how well it works.

In the end, the things I think will make or break this season are whether Chase Young erupts into a star, and does EB get value out of Howell. The draft didn't really change that thinking for me whatsoever, like made no dent in it, so I can't give it more than a B.

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[quote=Schneed10;1341554]I didn't have Kam Curl pegged as a major bargain as a 7th rounder coming out of the draft a few years ago. I also didn't realize McLaurin was going to be much more than a standout special teamer. Neither did any of the talking head experts. Just pointing out tangible examples of how these grades are pretty meaningless.

Still I think you can focus instead on what the team did to position themselves to fill their needs. I thought they could have done more moving up / down to get in a spot where they could fill an offensive line position with a more promising player. The two guys they got might be fine but these are the rounds where we got Wes Martin so...

[B]I think Mayhew and Rivera lack creativity and aggressiveness sometimes (all of the time?). That's a point of frustration for me. As for the players they actually landed, too early to tell but I can see the logic on both Forbes and Quan so I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt and see how well it works.[/B]

In the end, the things I think will make or break this season are whether Chase Young erupts into a star, and does EB get value out of Howell. The draft didn't really change that thinking for me whatsoever, like made no dent in it, so I can't give it more than a B.[/quote]

Agree here, they are way too lackluster and content with the "process". It's a win now league and Ron has had 4 yrs now to win and hasn't

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Going to have a new owner this month. And we will either win 10+ games or have an all-new front office/coaching staff in 2024.

Times are good in Manderville!!

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Solid B.

We drafted a playmaking CB in Forbes. A hybrid S, slot CB in Martin. Stromberg could start at C. Henry can contribute at DE. Kaz Allen could make the team as our PR/KR. Not drafting a TE is my only negative. Clearly they’re betting on a healthy Thomas, and improvement from Bates, and Turner.

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Biggest 2023 NFL draft questions for all 32 teams.

[url]https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/36291070/nfl-draft-2023-biggest-post-draft-questions-all-32-teams[/url]

Did the Commanders improve their offensive line?

Washington's front struggled last season, allowing the seventh-most sacks in the NFL (48). The Commanders did add two starters in free agency in center Nick Gates and tackle/guard Andrew Wylie but did not draft a player who would be projected to start in 2023. That means they still have a void at left guard. But one of their past drafts might yield the winner there -- Saahdiq Charles (fourth round, 2020) or Chris Paul (seventh round, 2022). Third-round pick Ricky Stromberg also will have a shot, but his best spot might be center. The Commanders have good talent at running back and receiver and intriguing young tight ends, but need a stronger line to protect inexperienced quarterback Sam Howell.

-- John Keim

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C. not sure if they got OL starters, seemed to reach a bit based on projections. If a "reach" makes 6 pro-bowls...

We won't really know for 3-4 years most likely, and I don't hate the players they got.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1341558]Biggest 2023 NFL draft questions for all 32 teams.

[url]https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/36291070/nfl-draft-2023-biggest-post-draft-questions-all-32-teams[/url]

Did the Commanders improve their offensive line?

Washington's front struggled last season, allowing the seventh-most sacks in the NFL (48). The Commanders did add two starters in free agency in center Nick Gates and tackle/guard Andrew Wylie [B]but did not draft a player who would be projected to start in 2023.[/B] That means they still have a void at left guard. But one of their past drafts might yield the winner there -- Saahdiq Charles (fourth round, 2020) or Chris Paul (seventh round, 2022). Third-round pick Ricky Stromberg also will have a shot, but his best spot might be center. The Commanders have good talent at running back and receiver and intriguing young tight ends, but need a stronger line to protect inexperienced quarterback Sam Howell.

-- John Keim[/quote]

This is exactly why I gave it a C. Granted, we know nothing right now.
But what we really don't know is wether or not we improved our Oline via the draft. Neither Stromberg nor Daniels are viewed like starters by most outside of Ashburn. I hope those analysts are wrong and Ron and co are right... But even when we were supposed to get studs in Wes Martin and Saadhiq Charles... they ended up not being starting material.

I see none of you really excited about those 2 players (the way some were for Charles ie), it just makes sense because we filled a need. But did we really ? Yeah I guess Oline depth is always a need... Anyway, I'm rambling, let's hope at least one of them turns into a solid starter for us.

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1341564]This is exactly why I gave it a C. Granted, we know nothing right now.
But what we really don't know is wether or not we improved our Oline via the draft. Neither Stromberg nor Daniels are viewed like starters by most outside of Ashburn. I hope those analysts are wrong and Ron and co are right... But even when we were supposed to get studs in Wes Martin and Saadhiq Charles... they ended up not being starting material.


I see none of view really excited about those 2 players (the way some were for Charles ie), it just makes sense because we filled a need. But did we really ? Yeah I guess Oline depth is always a need... Anyway, I'm rambling, let's hope at least one of them turns into a solid starter for us.[/quote]

I like both guys we drafted for the OL. But it does kind of seem like the Martin through Daniels picks (2-4) were guys that were all bumped up a round by Rivera and Co. They could be right though. Who knows. I think they're all NFL players for 5+ years, but how good they'll be, no clue.

Innocent until proven guilty. Awesome until proven a pumpkin too. So I love this whole draft as of now lol.

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1341564]This is exactly why I gave it a C. Granted, we know nothing right now.
But what we really don't know is wether or not we improved our Oline via the draft. Neither Stromberg nor Daniels are viewed like starters by most outside of Ashburn. I hope those analysts are wrong and Ron and co are right... But even when we were supposed to get studs in Wes Martin and Saadhiq Charles... they ended up not being starting material.

I see none of view really excited about those 2 players (the way some were for Charles ie), it just makes sense because we filled a need. But did we really ? Yeah I guess Oline depth is always a need... Anyway, I'm rambling, let's hope at least one of them turns into a solid starter for us.[/quote]

Agree here, good points with the Oline. Another thing is they drafted Cosmi to be a solution at Tackle while getting rid of Moses who was as fine at RT as Leno is as at LT, steady, dependable. Now Cosmi is inside playing guard, not his natural position. This is after Ron complete fucked up both guard positions last year with Turner and Norwell…old Panthers.

That’s after losing Schreff and seeing Trent out the door as well.

C

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[quote=Chico23231;1341566]Agree here, good points with the Oline. Another thing is they drafted Cosmi to be a solution at Tackle while getting rid of Moses who was as fine at RT as Leno is as at LT, steady, dependable. Now Cosmi is inside playing guard, not his natural position. This is after Ron complete fucked up both guard positions last year with Turner and Norwell…old Panthers.

That’s after losing Schreff and seeing Trent out the door as well.

C[/quote]

Roullier is gone. Not needed with Gates and Stromberg. Use that money to sign 2 more OL.

Still lots of time to add to the OL.

But I'm higher on Paul than most. I think he's gonna be solid at LG this year.

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I just hope the new owner realizes that some of the worlds greatest talent evaluators are on this site .😀

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F!
They need a QB and didn’t get one.

You can’t win in this league without one.

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[quote=jamf;1341569]F!
They need a QB and didn’t get one.

You can’t win in this league without one.[/quote]

Any grade other than a F was not possible from you. Jamf's opinion on all things Commanders:

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His alter-ego even thinks the same.

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[QUOTE=jamf;1341569]F!
They need a QB and didn’t get one.

You can’t win in this league without one.[/QUOTE]


Nobody in this draft was going to be any better this year than what we got. You want to wait until January to agree that is fine. If Howell doesn’t pan out we got a really good shot at getting someone a lot better. Translation- it was good for now, and the future not to take one. Plus we will have a pretty complete team for Howell, and for whoever might have to play next year.

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[quote=punch it in;1341572]Nobody in this draft was going to be any better this year than what we got. You want to wait until January to agree that is fine. If Howell doesn’t pan out we got a really good shot at getting someone a lot better. Translation- it was good for now, and the future not to take one. Plus we will have a pretty complete team for Howell, and for whoever might have to play next year.[/quote]

Keep drafting QBs. But if you do draft one, assume he fucking sucks and draft his replacement before finding out if he's good or not.

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[QUOTE=sdskinsfan2001;1341574]Keep drafting QBs. But if you do draft one, assume he fucking sucks and draft his replacement before finding out if he's good or not.[/QUOTE]


Maybe if we talked in hooker? Keep hiring hookers but keep kicking them out of the room for the next one before they even take their clothes off. [emoji848]

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[quote=punch it in;1341576]Maybe if we talked in hooker? Keep hiring hookers but keep kicking them out of the room for the next one before they even take their clothes off. [emoji848][/quote]

All our QBs suck and all our hookers don't suck good enough.

Kick all of them out immediately!

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1341566]Agree here, good points with the Oline. Another thing is they drafted Cosmi to be a solution at Tackle while getting rid of Moses who was as fine at RT as Leno is as at LT, steady, dependable. Now Cosmi is inside playing guard, not his natural position. This is after Ron complete fucked up both guard positions last year with Turner and Norwell…old Panthers.



That’s after losing Schreff and seeing Trent out the door as well.



C[/QUOTE]Don't forget Ereck Flowers in there. The fact he's out of the league because he and his agent think he deserves more $ than he actually does, does not erase the fact he was playing well for us at LG. Way better than Norwell anyway.

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[QUOTE=sdskinsfan2001;1341565]I like both guys we drafted for the OL. But it does kind of seem like the Martin through Daniels picks (2-4) were guys that were all bumped up a round by Rivera and Co. They could be right though. Who knows. I think they're all NFL players for 5+ years, but how good they'll be, no clue.



Innocent until proven guilty. Awesome until proven a pumpkin too. So I love this whole draft as of now lol.



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[quote=FrenchSkin;1341582]Those particular players may be innocent until proven guilty, [B]but Ron has a long ass criminal record of mis-evaluating Olinemen...
[/B]
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Can't argue this point. He can't even properly evaluate the LB room.

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For me the positives are we addressed the secondary which needed not only starters but turnover machines. Forbes certainly appears both, and Martin looks like a better McCain.

They addressed depth on OL and DE.

But that leads into negatives. We probably should have picked up at least on OL starter at G. Maybe the sum will turnout greater than the parts when it all comes together but its a grey area right now.

And no TE or LB help? Not even in UDFA pickups. Yeah, we've already got starters (is Thomas still starter quality?), but could we have improved with guys available? Judging by other pickups yes. And I agree we were nowhere near aggressive enough in trading for picks, we could have moved back certainly and probably still gotten our guys and maybe even traded bodies for more picks (CY?).

I give it a B because the secondary should no longer be considered a weakness and we have no glaring holes. But we could have done better.

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[quote=rocnrik;1341568]I just hope the new owner realizes that some of the worlds greatest talent evaluators are on this site .😀[/quote]

It's hilarious. It's like everyone here watches tape on these guys while drinking grape Kool Aid.

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I got no clue on what any of these guys will do in the pros… injury or life circumstances play a huge role .. My gut tells me Stroud will be one of the best and Young could falter ( my opinion only) … it’s all opinions ! The whole draft thing is brilliant marketing.. the mock drafts etc .. fantasy football itself is brilliant for the sport !! It’s all entertaining for sure !! But I do have one stone cold lock … when next season starts we will all be on here celebrating or bitchin 😳😀

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Too early for grades, but if we must, I'll give them an A, just because.

They drafted six players at the three positions I thought needed to be addressed - Secondary, Offensive Line, and Edge, then picked up an intriguing RB who they apparently had graded much higher than where he was selected, and who Bieniemy reportedly really likes.

I am not on top of the world about any of the players, but I'm happy with the positions they drafted. Time will tell if they pan out.

Still more work to do (as always) between now and September.

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[YT]BsoVhCL-9wI[/YT]

First thought, damn this guy's running style looks an awful lot like B-Rob, he just won't go down

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Has anybody mentioned this dude:

UCLA Football WR/RB Kazmeir Allen we signed as udfa?

I want to see what EB can do with him on offense, super versatile and natural returner on special teams

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[quote=MTK;1341601][YT]BsoVhCL-9wI[/YT]

First thought, damn this guy's running style looks an awful lot like B-Rob, he just won't go down[/quote]

Yeah it is a lot like B Rob, I think he is a little bit faster than Rob as well.

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[quote=MTK;1341546][URL="https://www.hogshaven.com/2023/4/30/23691673/2023-nfl-draft-grades-mel-kiper-jr-gives-the-washington-commanders-their-highest-score"]2023 NFL Draft Grades: Mel Kiper Jr gives the Washington Commanders their highest score[/URL][/quote]

Their highest score was a B-???

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1341558]Biggest 2023 NFL draft questions for all 32 teams.

[url]https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/36291070/nfl-draft-2023-biggest-post-draft-questions-all-32-teams[/url]

Did the Commanders improve their offensive line?

Washington's front struggled last season, allowing the seventh-most sacks in the NFL (48). The Commanders did add two starters in free agency in center Nick Gates and tackle/guard Andrew Wylie but did not draft a player who would be projected to start in 2023. That means they still have a void at left guard. But one of their past drafts might yield the winner there -- Saahdiq Charles (fourth round, 2020) or Chris Paul (seventh round, 2022). Third-round pick Ricky Stromberg also will have a shot, but his best spot might be center. The Commanders have good talent at running back and receiver and intriguing young tight ends, but need a stronger line to protect inexperienced quarterback Sam Howell.

-- John Keim[/quote]

Wow, if they are saying Gates is a starter then the team is screwed.

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Looking back at the 2020 draft

1st Chase Young
2nd Antonio Gibson
4th Saadiq Charles
4th Antonio Gandy-Golden
5th Keith Ismael
5th Khaleke Hudson
7th Kam Curl
7th James Smith-Williams

Two nice hits on Gibson and Curl, solid special teamer with Hudson, ROY with CY but obviously his situation is very much up in the air. Charles hasn't done much to date and his time is running out. AGG total flop. JSW is a solid rotation guy. Ismael is still in the league, 49ers I think.

Overall I'd give this a solid C+ with room for it to go to a B+ or A if CY bounces back and if SC takes a starting guard spot and runs with it.

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[quote=nonniey;1341618]Wow, if they are saying Gates is a starter then the team is screwed.[/quote]

Starting a rookie center with a 2nd year QB sounds like a bad idea. Gates is definitely looking like the starter to begin the season.

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I hope EB can work his magic because on paper our OL looks shaky