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[left]Hi first off i am new here, i have been coming here just read all the post never posted untill today.

Yea i think Ramsey will start this year, Then in 2006, or who knows maybe in the season Jason Campbell gets the keys.

I just dont see it in Ramsey .Basically if we had a good QB Redskins with that defense we should have made the playoffs.

I know last year Joe Gibbs offense was old slow, and we wasted time outs. But i feel ramsey didnt play that well.He had too many turnovers sacks thats costed us wins.

Plus i know Gibbs did not trade 4 pick to draft Campbell and just seat him.But who knows? i am only a fan.

And i know Portis is going to break out this season gibbs going to add more zone and stretch blocking for portis who avg 5 yards a carry with them.

And i am looking for taylor Jacobs and Mccants to really step up too.

carlos Rogers will step,so will Wilds.
And Sean Taylor and Matt Bowen will be ready.
I am just so excited about the 2005 season cant wait. Even for the preseason that shoul dbe alot of fun too.

GO REDSKINS

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I am not sure if Ramsey is our long term QB.At first when he came into the league and he got some PT between Shane Matthews and Danny Awful I thought he could be the real deal, but since then he has not progressed much. He still looked brilliant last year compared to Brunell but when I was watching some highlights and taped games from the season he was still making rookie mistakes. My biggest problem with him is his inability to check off WR's. There were several times where he went to the short WR on 3rd and long and had open WR's to get the first down. I understand the play calling did not help him any but you have to see things like that. I hate to bring this up but he reminds me so much of Zack Mills from PSU. He came into the system and looked promising in the begining (Mills his freshman year taking over for LB/QB Matt Seneca and Ramesy getting time because Matthews and Danny were terrible) but then they never really progressed. As a PSU and Redskins fan last year killed me....both teams had great D's, terrible play calling, and stupid mistakes by the QB, it was like watching the same team on Saturday and Sunday!!! I am not saying that Mills is anywhere near as good as Ramsey but they are similar at their respective levels. I am willing to bet that Ramsey will have one more year (this year) to prove himself and if he doesn't we will see why Gibbs loved Campbell so much.

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First off, welcome to the board portistothehouse.

Ramsey has been a frequent topic of debate this offseason. Try doing some searches on the board and you'll see plenty of discussions.

Here's some recent ones to get you started

[url]http://www.thewarpath.net/showthread.php?t=6450&highlight=ramsey[/url]

[url]http://www.thewarpath.net/showthread.php?t=6392&highlight=ramsey[/url]

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Since your new I'll say it again. Take away that Giants game and Ramsey was extremely efficient. His turnovers were way down, had a completion percentage of roughly 65% and won some games for us. I can understand why people doubt him, but rest assured you will see a big improvement with him. The main thing(s) he needs to improve are his vision and 4th quarter decision making.

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The problem is you can not take away the Giants game. It was a real game. In my opinion to say Ramsey was "extremely" efficient is stretching it. He had great moments/games and some not so great moments, the sign of a young, inconsistent, inexperienced Qb that has not yet hit his stride.
He did get better at making his reads and getting rid of the ball faster.
But his touch on the short passes is still not very good. His accuracy is still inconsistant, good some moments bad in others.
He is still bad at sensing the pass rush and not being able to side step it when possible. He is such a sitting duck when there is the slightest breakdown in the protection.
His 11 int's to 10TD's is not a good stat at all. To me that is one of the most important and first stats I look at when I judge a QB. Turnovers kill.

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Defense wins...3 picks in the Giants game relieving Brunell. 65% completion with recievers who liked to drop passes. 85+ passer rating in the final seven games of the season. I know that Giants game was a real game, but he was thrown into this game after everything that transpired during the season and was simply trying to pull one out at any cost. He is inconsistant at times, yes...but people seem to remember the bad more than the good. I just wish REDSKINS fans would have a little more confidence in a guy whos only had 2 seasons worth of starts.

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[QUOTE=dirtbag2112]Defense wins...3 picks in the Giants game relieving Brunell. 65% completion with recievers who liked to drop passes. 85+ passer rating in the final seven games of the season. I know that Giants game was a real game, but he was thrown into this game after everything that transpired during the season and was simply trying to pull one out at any cost. He is inconsistant at times, yes...but people seem to remember the bad more than the good. I just wish REDSKINS fans would have a little more confidence in a guy whos only had 2 seasons worth of starts.[/QUOTE]

I am sure you already know....confidence is earned, not given for free. I do remember the good, Ramsey had his best day as a pro in week 13 vs. New York Giants. He also played great in the season finale against the Vikings. But we can not ignore his weakness' when evaluating him to see if he is our franchise QB. We can not resign him to a big contract because his a great guy and he can take a hit. He needs to be a great/consistant QB as well.
We have already overpaid other nice guys that have turned out to be not very good.

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"Statistics are for loosers"

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To me the problem with Ramsey is that his just not that good.

I am not a coach but i have watched every redskins game ramsey played in ,hE JUST MAKES plays that make you wana to break your television in two.

Like the eagles game.giants, steelers game. Ramsey in the 1st to 3rd quarter is a ok good qb, then when the pressure goes up he does down.

But at the same time he also makes very good plays. Its like if there was a way to remove all the bad plays the sacks,ints he would be in the same class as carson palmer or chad pennington. the problem is his not that good.

His like in baseball a set up pitcher,his a back up.

COme on guys the NFL is not the hope and wish leauge. Gibbs is not a foul,if he can find someone esle that plays better than Ramsey. Ramsey is a gonner.

In 2005 if ramsey cant cut out those ints, sacks,missing wide wide WIDE OPEN wr,s down the field his out. and you cant compare ramsey to mark brunel, brunell is gone like a burnt steak, compare ramsey to chad pennington, david carr, carson palmer those guys.

People are already talking up campbell, even john clayton from espn.

Defense does win games. But if you qb, is turning the bal over 3, 4 times a game i dont care if your have the 85 bears defense you going to loss games.

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The jury is still out on Patrick. He only started one full season and it was a disaster with the Spurrier (no) blocking schemes. Also, he was coached against his tendencies as a young player and taught NOT to check off receivers. 'Fun -n- Gun'. Right. Then he got hurt, has had a number of ego lumps and has really only been in a REAL nfl system for 1 year. And he got his first start last year at what, week 9 or 10? Due to all this I'm willing to give him a pass, but THIS year is it. He has to absolutely raise his level to another stratosphere. If not, "ladies and gentlemen, the quarterback of the Washington Redskins: Jason Campbell".
Doesn't Patrick only have one more year on the contract too?

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Defensewins, I completely agree with you. I hate to ramble on about statistics, but I'm basically going on instinct. I look at everything and take all factors into account. I'm no scout, but I do know that no QB is perfect. Take this kid Ramsey, drafed below Carr and Harrington. Put him in a college coach's "fun-n-gun" offense. Let the kid take repeated beatings because he's in a system that offers minimal blocking schemes. Enter a new coach, a completely new convoluted system that emphasizes protecting the QB. So involved at times that our tight ends and recievers wouldnt even know where to line up. Hire a washed up veteran QB and let him play through almost 75% of the season. Take your 3rd year kid who was the starter and thrust him into this system becuase you realize your "consistent" veteran QB wasn't so consistant at all anymore. All I'm saying is given Ramsey's circumstances and what he's had to deal with, he has shown through all of this. Brett favre last year tried to throw a touchdown 5 yards past the line of scrimmage. Aaron Brooks is throwing the ball backwards. Peyton Manning throws 50 touchdowns during the regular season, but looks like his younger brother in playoff games. PLEASE guys, it's just a matter of time before your singing his praises becuase we've made it to the playoffs and not just becuase of our stellar defense.

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and thank you, DBlanch!!!

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Whenever someone around my neck of the woods asks me about Ramsey, I like to point them at the opening game in the 2003 season. Their opening game vs. the Jets, just after raiding their roster. If you ask me, he was really showing flashes of what he could become. I'm not talking stat-wise either. He just looked like someone who could be big time if given the right amount of time.

This being said, I have no idea if he could potentially be a long-term solution. Like I said, I've seen him, but only in bits and pieces. Since the game I was talking about, he's had an injury, a new system, the starting job yanked out from under him and NOW he has huge turnover at receivers and a freshly drafted rookie looking to take his job. Hopefully he'll play the whole year without some crazy interruptions and we'll get a better idea of if he's the real deal. If we don't give him at least that, I have a feeling he'll have another jersey on soon.

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Ramsey hasn't been the starter for a full season in a stable system yet. His rookie year he was in and out of the lineup and probably played before he was really ready to. Year 2 he started off hot but once NFL defensive coordinators caught on to Spurrier's kindergarten blocking schemes he got pounded silly.

He showed promise down the stretch last year and was 110% better at the end of the year compared to the preseason when he looked atrocious.

I'm confident he'll play very well this year.

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I for one am not sold on Ramsey but obviously am hoping for the best.. I want to see him WIN games for us not manage them effectively. Managing games will beat bad and mediocre teams but talent and execution beat the good teams.. That's where Ramsey hasn't shown up yet. He needs to step up and be the man when the team needs him to be before I will give him the all clear.

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All of us wanted to see PR be successful at the position because we were looking for that "Savior" at the QB position. We didn't have much in terms of a QB ahead of him on the depth chart when he made his first appearence in that come from behind victory against the Titans, therefore we all wanted him to be "The Man" because he's a nice guy with a strong arm. Well I'm afraid it takes a little more than that to be a complete QB in the NFL. Despite the fact he has played well for a few plays in some games he's still saddled with some defeciencies he must learn to overcome before he is to be successful at this level.
The knocks: Slow of foot; A QB in the pocket has to be like a PR preparing to return, he must be able to make the first potential tackler "miss". How many times have we seen the first guy in on Ramsey take him for a sack? On the contraty, how many times will you see the first guy take down Mc'Nabb? Holds the ball too long allowing Blitzers a better opportunity to reach him. Problems reading deep coverages causing indecision. Lack of touch on short pass routes. I see all these things being correctable and a challenge for PR to move forfeward in being a more complete QB in the NFL. I certainly will be looking for signs of improvement this season, if not his stay here may not be as lengthly as we had hoped.

We will make the Play-off's in 05 "Regardless"!!!!!

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]Ramsey hasn't been the starter for a full season in a stable system yet. His rookie year he was in and out of the lineup and probably played before he was really ready to. Year 2 he started off hot but once NFL defensive coordinators caught on to Spurrier's kindergarten blocking schemes he got pounded silly.

He showed promise down the stretch last year and was 110% better at the end of the year compared to the preseason when he looked atrocious.

I'm confident he'll play very well this year.[/QUOTE]



i agree with you 100%.

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The coming season will put an end to the argument about the system. PR has played, and started enough games to be more efficient on a consistent basis than he has shown thus far. Granted, he played under a flawed system when Spurrier was coaching, but the "System" has nothing to do the inability to read Pro Defence's, holding the ball until he's sacked, and slowed mechanics coupled with a lack of touch on many passes both long and short. Except for being slow (Footwork) his other problems can be corrected. and will have to be in order for him to be a success at this level. By me being an eternal optomist I'm always hoping for the best and I really want PR to be successful. I think most of us on this board feel the same way. However, JG is the coach and there has to be a real reason why he continues to undermine PR by looking to alternates in his stead.

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I think everyone knows my position on Ramsey.

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I believe Ramsey will go as far as Gibbs is perpared to take him, he's going to be [IMO] an outstanding QB, but he need's Gibbs to get catch up and get everyone playing on the same page. Last season we had to many player's on offense thinking instead of doing and that includes Gibbs, hopefully with a year under their belt's the system will start to blossom along with Ramsey.

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[QUOTE=Ramseyfan]I think everyone knows my position on Ramsey.[/QUOTE]

Doggie style or on your hands and knees? :joke:

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I think that Ramsey has all the tools to win at a high level for the Skins.

First, last year he did show remarkable improvement as the season went on. Guys, when you look at the stats, you have to throw out the first Giants game. You do this because not only did he come off the bench and play from behind, he also had not been getting the snaps in practice because he was the backup. It's just not realistic to expect him to be on top of his game when thrown into that situation.

Second, Ramsey can make all the throws. Yes, even the short ones. If last year didn't prove that, I don't know what would. What he needs to do is get comfortable in the system so that he can start seeing his second and third receivers (something we didn't see last year because we would only send out one or two guys).

Third, Ramsey's footwork is terrible, but footwork does not win championships. Aikman, Warner, Brady, even Rypien had two things in common. Bad mobility, and a great ability to read the field. If QB mobility were really that important, Vick, Mcnabb, Culpepper would all have rings... Don't get me wrong, I would love to have a more mobile QB, it's just that it has been proven that you can win big without a modile QB.

Fourth, and this is important, Ramsey has to learn to make the throw to win the game. When the game is on the line, Ramsey has a tendency to go Jim Kelly on us. I think that Gibbs will be able to help him through film study to break him of this. Once his confidence is right and he doesn't feel like it is all on him, I think he will get over it. If not, Gibbs will have no choice but to move on.

So, this year is the year. He knows the system, 4th year in the league, and Gibbs has made his offensive adjustments. Time to step up and take control of the O.

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No last year did not prove ramsey can make all the throws. It proved that mark brunell is terrible .and that ramsey has zero touch in short passing, i remember that pass to that #82 te in the cowboys game ,and ramsey is not accurate .Ramsey threw a 5 yard pass to hard and it was tiped and picked off.

Ramsey has slow feet,He cant feel the pressure coming. when the heat is on he throws passes into coverage and gets picked off.

And why do all you ramsey fans say, every time ramsey does something wrong its steve spurriers fault, its gibbs fault, coles and gardner dropped passes blah blah blah black sheep. Ramsey is the problem his not an NFL qb the end. watch the tape ,the tape doesnt lie. A tiger does not change its strips.Ramsey is not a good qb.

He will get a shot in 2005 .But if i was a betting man ramsey is gone after the 2005 season and campbell will be starting in 2006. campbell is accurate, taller better deep ball.doesnt panic in the pocket either.

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The whole argument of Gibbs not trusting Ramsey because he went out and got Campbell is getting old. As somebody mentioned before, why is it bad to have competition at the QB position? Nobody on here was saying, man, guess Shawn Springs is done, they're looking at this guy McQuarters. Greg Williams doesn't trust Shawn Springs, look at all the D-backs we bring in. Please, we know Brunnell sucked ass, and I think Gibbs may have faced that realization too. Now we have Ramsey and Campbell, instead of Ramsey and Brunnell. Was spending all those picks on Campbell too much? Ironically, hopefully it was. It means he never sees the field, which means Ramsey is playing well, and I can live with that.

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The three QB's you mention GoSkins who don't have Rings, Vick, McNabb, and Culpepper are all play-off QB's. While they may not have a Ring yet they all are closer to getting one than PR. The age has arrived in the NFL where mobile QB's are going to be premium because the way Defense's play today, imobile QB's are going to be sitting ducks. And while I agree Ripen was not in the least bit mobile, at the time he was playing he was without a doubt the best long-ball thrower in the league, and these words came from his favorite receiver "Gary Clark". In addition Ripen was protected by one of the very best O lines that ever played the game. I will be extremely elated if and when PR can reach that plateau.

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i just have one more question for the ramsey fan club?
how are you so sure ramsey is going to have a good season in 2005 when he has never even being able to go 16 games.and has made uncountable mistakes since he got here?

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Ramsey completed 62.1% of his throws last year. If he wasn't completing the short ones, what was he completing then??

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[QUOTE=portistothehouse]No last year did not prove ramsey can make all the throws. It proved that mark brunell is terrible .and that ramsey has zero touch in short passing, i remember that pass to that #82 te in the cowboys game ,and ramsey is not accurate .Ramsey threw a 5 yard pass to hard and it was tiped and picked off.

Ramsey has slow feet,He cant feel the pressure coming. when the heat is on he throws passes into coverage and gets picked off.

And why do all you ramsey fans say, every time ramsey does something wrong its steve spurriers fault, its gibbs fault, coles and gardner dropped passes blah blah blah black sheep. Ramsey is the problem his not an NFL qb the end. watch the tape ,the tape doesnt lie. A tiger does not change its strips.Ramsey is not a good qb.

He will get a shot in 2005 .But if i was a betting man ramsey is gone after the 2005 season and campbell will be starting in 2006. campbell is accurate, taller better deep ball.doesnt panic in the pocket either.[/QUOTE]

If you are a betting man let me know, cause I will take you up on that 1.


Where does your vast knowledge of Campbell come from? Considering he hasen't played a down in the NFL?

So let's get this straight, players, coach's, and scheme's don't have anything to do with a QB's success?

How bout Drew Bree's did that tiger change it's stripes? Or perhap's he was a good QB all along and just needed to get comfortable in the right situation, either way before last season why don't you take a look at what people were saying comparitivly about the 2, you will find that Bree's wasen't even considered to be in the same class as Ramsey NOT EVEN CLOSE!
The only reason he started was because of Rivers prolonged holdout.

Circumstances can very easily and quite often dictate the ability and progress of a QB, especially a young one with a new system to learn every year.

Campbell will become trade bait in a couple of year's once Ramsey solidifies his job as starter. The best we can hope from Campbell is that he developes enough to bring back more than what we gave up. He wasen't a great college QB I don't know why everyone believes this kid is going to be a super bowl caliber QB? Ramsey has proven a heck of lot more than Campbell, with change after change.

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All Cambell did was go 13-0 in the super hard SEC . and almost go to the nation championship game, , beat a very good v tech team, and pass for 67 % and was the SEc offensive player of the year, yea your rigth his just a ok qb lol please

ramsey will be the trade bate in a year or two

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[QUOTE=portistothehouse]All Cambell did was go 13-0 in the super hard SEC . and almost go to the nation championship game, , beat a very good v tech team, and pass for 67 % and was the SEc offensive player of the year, yea your rigth his just a ok qb lol please

ramsey will be the trade bate in a year or two[/QUOTE]


Don't make me laugh!

As if a QB's winning percentage in college amout's to anything. Go take a long look at the line of miami and florida QB's who actually won national championship's and won heisman's who were lucky to make a team as a backup let alone get drafted.

I guess you feel college isn't made up of constant mismatches of talent, and an overly talented college team can just overwhelm other teams regardless of who's quarterbacking. It's not like Auburn had any 1st rd. pick's this past draft, or did they? Yes 4, and 3 of them went in the top 10, it's not like Campbell had to carry that team.

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[QUOTE=portistothehouse].......And why do all you ramsey fans say, every time ramsey does something wrong its steve spurriers fault, its gibbs fault, coles and gardner dropped passes blah blah blah black sheep.....
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Great point! I was just about to make the same point. There are more excuses for Ramsey than TD's passes he threw last year. It is everybody else's fault but Ramsey and his actual talent.

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[QUOTE=offiss]Don't make me laugh!

As if a QB's winning percentage in college amout's to anything. Go take a long look at the line of miami and florida QB's who actually won national championship's and won heisman's who were lucky to make a team as a backup let alone get drafted.

I guess you feel college isn't made up of constant mismatches of talent, and an overly talented college team can just overwhelm other teams regardless of who's quarterbacking. It's not like Auburn had any 1st rd. pick's this past draft, or did they? Yes 4, and 3 of them went in the top 10, it's not like Campbell had to carry that team.[/QUOTE]


ok well think what u want , you have your opion i have mine,

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[QUOTE=offiss]

How bout Drew Bree's........, either way before last season why don't you take a look at what people were saying comparitivly about the 2, you will find that Bree's wasen't even considered to be in the same class as Ramsey NOT EVEN CLOSE! [/QUOTE]

What class do you think Ramsey is in??????
People talk great about his potential, but lets not get carried away. The guy is not yet Bret Farve.

Bress had one sub-par (Ramsey like) year, in 2003. In 2001 (rookie year) he did not play. BUt in his other two years 2002 and 2004 he had better numbers than Ramsey has ever in any NFL season. Check for yourself. Brees' QB rating in 2002 was 76.9, better than Ramsey's QB rating in ANY year. Brees had an amazing 40 passes over 20+ yards in 2002. The only diffrence between Brees' 2002 and 2004 (pro Bowl year) was that his interceptions went way down.
I am not sure what source you were using when you said, "Bree's wasen't even considered to be in the same class as Ramsey NOT EVEN CLOSE!" The Press? Those guys are all pencil necked geeks and never played football in their life.

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Ramsey was used as a punching bag under Spurrier and spent most of that season eating turf.
You can't blame it all on Ramsey. It all starts with the offensive line.
Our line stuggled last year without Jansen, and he protects the QB's blind side. Raymer and Friedman weren't the best at center. Dockery struggled too. This had an impact on Ramsey who was sacked 23 times. The knock on Ramsey is that he holds onto the ball too long, but this can be corrected. This season I have a cause for optimism with our improved line (heathly Jansen, and better center, Rabach) Ramsey should do better. We saw a glimpse of this towards the end of last season when Ramsey started to become comfortable in Joe's system, and they opened the offense a little, and I liked how Patrick performed. Gibbs is tinkering with the offense, will put in the shotgun, which should also help. He really needs a full season under Gibbs to see his full potential. Ramsey is the key to our entire season---if he can't throw the ball down field then the other teams will crowd the line and stop our running game. And it will be like last year, our defense will be very good, and our offense will suck and we will have another 6-10 season......We can look back with hindsight and speculate what would've happened had Gibbs gone with Ramsey from the start last season....but that's the past and we gotta go with Patrick and see what we got, if he isn't the answer, then here comes Campbell.

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[QUOTE=Ramseyfan]I think everyone knows my position on Ramsey.[/QUOTE]

hmmmmmmmmmmm with a nickname of Ramseyfan let me guess ;)

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[QUOTE=Defensewins]What class do you think Ramsey is in??????
People talk great about his potential, but lets not get carried away. The guy is not yet Bret Farve.

Bress had one sub-par (Ramsey like) year, in 2003. In 2001 (rookie year) he did not play. BUt in his other two years 2002 and 2004 he had better numbers than Ramsey has ever in any NFL season. Check for yourself. Brees' QB rating in 2002 was 76.9, better than Ramsey's QB rating in ANY year. Brees had an amazing 40 passes over 20+ yards in 2002. The only diffrence between Brees' 2002 and 2004 (pro Bowl year) was that his interceptions went way down.
I am not sure what source you were using when you said, "Bree's wasen't even considered to be in the same class as Ramsey NOT EVEN CLOSE!" The Press? Those guys are all pencil necked geeks and never played football in their life.[/QUOTE]


Probably the pencil necked geek's in San Diego who after drafting Bree's #1 a couple of year's earlier went and drafted River's to take his place, only a holdout kept Rivers from starting and stopped the talk of Bree's being cut.


The only difference in Bree's is his INT's went way down??????? WHY DO THINK THAT IS????????

You don't believe Ramsey's INT's will go down as he get's some protection and familiarity with this offense????

Bree's didn't play much his first year? WHY? Ramsey played his first year and very well for a rookie, you may notice as you continue to read up on your stat's that Ramsey didn't play in many game's his first couple of year's do to the fact that he was a rookie, as well as he had an injury which he played through even though he couldn't throw off his back foot, while being pummled time and again by SS's blocking schemes, then he has to come into games last season to try and bail out Brunnell and learn a new offense on the run considering Brunnel recieved most of the rep's and preperation of the new offense.

I will say this about Campbell, Brunell a seasoned veteran, and Ramsey a near genious had all they could do to try an comprehend Gibbs offense, and I am to believe this kid out of college who is green at best is going to master it, especially after his wonderlik score of 9 the first time he took it? That he will be starting next year? Perhap's? That is, if Ramsey's arm's and leg's fall off.


My source on Bree's is this Miami was offering us 2 #1's for Ramsey when talk was circulating that Bree's may be released, you don't think the Charger's knowing they were going with a new QB wouldn't have taken anything for Bree's if they could have gotten it? No one was offering the charger's anything for Bree's because they all new Bree's was on his way out the door before River's held out, Bree's has also had the opportunity of stability with Marty, yet we can't give the same oppotunity to Ramsey? I am not even concerned that Ramsey is the good's I know he is, my biggest concern is that Gibbs football mind catches up with the new era in the NFL.

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Well...in the history of Redskin QB's, the last one that I truly believed in was Theismann. Even when D. Williams and Rypien were starting, they always made me nervous. Joey T. was just so friggin' competitive and he hated the Cowboys and would do just about anything to shove it in their faces. There's some great old video of Joey T. spiking the ball at the helmet of a puss-ass cowboy in the endzone after he scored and a fight erupted. Great days indeed!! I would like to see a little passion and fire and heart out of Patrick. If he can tap into that, maybe that will vault him into a big game kind of player. Like I said earlier, this is THE year for him. If strides are not made, he will be gone. But I am pulling for the kid and I am still more comfortable with him starting than the rook or BooNell.

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[QUOTE=Longtimefan]The three QB's you mention GoSkins who don't have Rings, Vick, McNabb, and Culpepper are all play-off QB's. While they may not have a Ring yet they all are closer to getting one than PR. The age has arrived in the NFL where mobile QB's are going to be premium because the way Defense's play today, imobile QB's are going to be sitting ducks. And while I agree Ripen was not in the least bit mobile, at the time he was playing he was without a doubt the best long-ball thrower in the league, and these words came from his favorite receiver "Gary Clark". In addition Ripen was protected by one of the very best O lines that ever played the game. I will be extremely elated if and when PR can reach that plateau.[/QUOTE]

I guess maybe what I said sounded wrong. So, let me clarify... I agree that the mobile QB's (Vick, McNabb, Culpepper) are premium QB's in the NFL. I agree that as defenses get more agressive (blitzing), the need for the mobile QB's increases. My statement is that, as counter-intuitive as it may seem, plenty of immoble, pocke QB's win the big game. This happens even when they face good mobile QB's (Warner / Mcnarr, Brady, McNabb).
I beleive that we may have seen the last of the flat footed QB's who can still make it to the big game without getting killed, but I'm smart enough to realize that there is no statistic for me to base that belief on, just a feeling.

One quote from gibbs I will always remember is when he was talking about his QB's and said something like:
"If you can really protect your QB, there are probalbly about 15- 20 in the league that can take you all the way. If you don't, there are only one or two."

Re: Do you guys think ramsey the answer at qb
 

Ramsey's horrid stats from his relief appearance have come up a couple of times in this thread (and [u]many[/u] others), so I'd like to point out that, unlike some other teams, the 2nd string QB gets just about zero reps during weekly practice. Ramsey looked bad that day, but his sinis were sins of aggression (throwing into tight coverage on "homerun" plays) while trying to come from behind. That's hard under any circumstance, much harder when you've gone nearly a month since any meaningful practice with the players on the field.

defensewins is right - you can't throw out bad games. But you should look at the circumstances surrounding them.

Re: Do you guys think ramsey the answer at qb
 

[QUOTE=portistothehouse][left]I am just so excited about the 2005 season cant wait. Even for the preseason that shoul dbe alot of fun too.
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hmmm . . . I say that every year and then . . .