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'He's going to bring the intensity': New Commanders OC Eric Bieniemy making presence felt


Something that stood out from a recent Keim interview of Ron when discussing passing offense and EB , the development of ball thrown quickly out to playmakers with room to run rather than the big shots. Play action THEN develops not from the traditional meaning of run the ball-to-pass, but defense creeping up to stop short stuff throws and then get guys to run deep for shots.

Also EB told Ron immediately in his first discussions, he really liked the trio of Terry, Dotson and Samuel…that’s where the talent lies.

Doc Walker said it best last week, we haven’t known the what a dominant defense here in DC is until we see them actually playing with a lead. If the offense can score and the defense will be unlocked

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I'm really looking forward to see how the offense plays. Yes, we have Howell who is still a rookie which could limit the offense but if EB calls plays that allow our playmakers to do most of the work, then the offense can be pretty fun to watch.

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EB will have to be a magician to get anything going behind this ramshackle OL.

Two tackles that gave up 17 sacks between them last year, a center that looked poor comiing back from a bad injury and a left guard that couldn't even displace Turner or Norwell last year. Failed tackle Cosmi might actually be our best lineman.

Good luck EB.

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[quote=davy;1343011]EB will have to be a magician to get anything going behind this ramshackle OL.

Two tackles that gave up 17 sacks between them last year, a center that looked poor comiing back from a bad injury and a left guard that couldn't even displace Turner or Norwell last year. Failed tackle Cosmi might actually be our best lineman.

Good luck EB.[/quote]Lol hope it's not this bad but hard to argue with you. Imagine a lot of quick developing plays to assist the oline.

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[quote=Chico23231;1343008][url]https://www.espn.com/blog/washington-commanders/post/_/id/42987/new-offensive-coordinator-eric-bieniemy-makes-presence-felt-with-commanders[/url]

'He's going to bring the intensity': New Commanders OC Eric Bieniemy making presence felt


Something that stood out from a recent Keim interview of Ron when discussing passing offense and EB , the development of ball thrown quickly out to playmakers with room to run rather than the big shots. Play action THEN develops not from the traditional meaning of run the ball-to-pass, but defense creeping up to stop short stuff throws and then get guys to run deep for shots.

Also EB told Ron immediately in his first discussions, he really liked the trio of Terry, Dotson and Samuel…that’s where the talent lies.

Doc Walker said it best last week, we haven’t known the what a dominant defense here in DC is until we see them actually playing with a lead. If the offense can score and the defense will be unlocked[/quote]

Spot on. 100% When's the last time we've had a legit offensive and defensive coordinator at the same time?

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It’s clear as day. Howell will ball out in this system


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[quote=skinsfaninok;1343885]It’s clear as day. Howell will ball out in this system


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk[/quote]He looked great Monday. Throws a good, catchable ball. Excited about what he can do for this franchise.

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I'm still in the camp of let's pump the brakes on Howell just a bit. Let's see how things go once teams have some tape on him and this EB offense. There's a lot to like from him so far, his poise, his arm, etc. But let's not get too crazy yet.

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[quote=MTK;1343975]I'm still in the camp of let's pump the brakes on Howell just a bit. Let's see how things go once teams have some tape on him and this EB offense. There's a lot to like from him so far, his poise, his arm, etc. But let's not get too crazy yet.[/quote]

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[quote=MTK;1343975]I'm still in the camp of let's pump the brakes on Howell just a bit. Let's see how things go once teams have some tape on him and this EB offense. There's a lot to like from him so far, his poise, his arm, etc. But let's not get too crazy yet.[/quote]

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We've been down this road before with people buying into the likes of John Beck, Shane Mathews, Patrick Ramsey, Rex Grossman, Carson Wentz, etc. Too many names to even bother listing.

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I ain't pumpin' no brakes!

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Howell has all the tools I'm convinced. His arm strength is underrated. He's accurate and mobile. His pocket presence is good, especially for as young as he is. Everyone forgets he had a 1st rd grade the year prior to him going pro. His oline regressed a lot his last year at UNC and lost Dyami. Howell has plenty of talent, and we're lucky to have him.

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[QUOTE=WCommandersfan99;1343992]Howell has all the tools I'm convinced. His arm strength is underrated. He's accurate and mobile. His pocket presence is good, especially for as young as he is. Everyone forgets he had a 1st rd grade the year prior to him going pro. His oline regressed a lot his last year at UNC and lost Dyami. Howell has plenty of talent, and we're lucky to have him.[/QUOTE]


He lost a ton of weapons. He actually rushed for more yards that year. 24 td’s 9 int’s and over 3000 yards minus the losses around him. He is a first round talent.

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[quote=MTK;1343982]We've been down this road before with people buying into the likes of John Beck, Shane Mathews, Patrick Ramsey, Rex Grossman, Carson Wentz, etc. Too many names to even bother listing.[/quote]

Yeah ME LOL

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[quote=MTK;1343975]I'm still in the camp of let's pump the brakes on Howell just a bit. Let's see how things go once teams have some tape on him and this EB offense. There's a lot to like from him so far, his poise, his arm, etc. But let's not get too crazy yet.[/quote]


I agree with this statement. But at the same time, the fact that Heinicke had to go and tell Rivera he should start Howell in the last and meaningless game of the season told me they didn't have a lot of confidence in Sam, which wasn't very encouraging. So what he's shown so far comes as a nice surprise to me, so I do feel some sort of excitement, to the extent of "he may be better than expected".

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1344007]I agree with this statement. But at the same time, [B]the fact that Heinicke had to go and tell Rivera he should start Howell in the last and meaningless game of the season told me they didn't have a lot of confidence in Sam, which wasn't very encouraging.[/B] So what he's shown so far comes as a nice surprise to me, so I do feel some sort of excitement, to the extent of "he may be better than expected".[/quote]

I don't think it was a lack of confidence in Sam. My read on that was that Ron is completely clueless on how to manage the QB position. Or he may simply have forgotten that his team had been eliminated from the playoffs the week before. Certainly, most of us must have seen that Ron was reality challenged to have started "Wince" Wentz against Cleveland. Ron is an admirable man but I don't believe that he has the awareness and judgement as a HC to lead this team to a championship.

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[quote=punch it in;1343999]He lost a ton of weapons. He actually rushed for more yards that year. 24 td’s 9 int’s and over 3000 yards minus the losses around him. He is a first round talent.[/quote]Yes he did. The only thing he doesn't have has elite size and a huge arm. But his size is fine along with his arm. He's not too small and arm not too weak. There was talk he'd go high 1st round prior to the year he went pro. Love the interview he had in the Monday game also. He seems grounded and took accountability.

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[QUOTE=WCommandersfan99;1344018]Yes he did. The only thing he doesn't have has elite size and a huge arm. But his size is fine along with his arm. He's not too small and arm not too weak. There was talk he'd go high 1st round prior to the year he went pro. Love the interview he had in the Monday game also. He seems grounded and took accountability.[/QUOTE]


Elite size. Definitely not. Thats fine with me.

His arm is a cannon though. At the combine he led all passers with a 59 mph throw. Also extremely accurate with the deep ball.

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[QUOTE=KI Skins Fan;1344015]I don't think it was a lack of confidence in Sam. My read on that was that Ron is completely clueless on how to manage the QB position. Or he may simply have forgotten that his team had been eliminated from the playoffs the week before. Certainly, most of us must have seen that Ron was reality challenged to have started "Wince" Wentz against Cleveland. Ron is an admirable man but I don't believe that he has the awareness and judgement as a HC to lead this team to a championship.[/QUOTE]


Could not agree more with this. Great guy from all accounts, but not a great HC.

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[quote=punch it in;1344019]Elite size. Definitely not. Thats fine with me.

His arm is a cannon though. At the combine he led all passers with a 59 mph throw. Also extremely accurate with the deep ball.[/quote]His velocity is above average no doubt. I'm alluding to overall arm strength including power and deep ball length more than anything. He's got a good arm no doubt, just don't think it's elite (Mahomes, Allen, etc.)

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[quote=WCommandersfan99;1344024]His velocity is above average no doubt. I'm alluding to overall arm strength including power and deep ball length more than anything. He's got a good arm no doubt, just don't think it's elite (Mahomes, Allen, etc.)[/quote]

It's more than sufficient. That works if you throw it to the right place.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1344015]I don't think it was a lack of confidence in Sam. My read on that was that Ron is completely clueless on how to manage the QB position. Or he may simply have forgotten that his team had been eliminated from the playoffs the week before. Certainly, most of us must have seen that Ron was reality challenged to have started "Wince" Wentz against Cleveland. Ron is an admirable man but I don't believe that he has the awareness and judgement as a HC to lead this team to a championship.[/quote]

My understanding that the Wentz acquisition was influenced by Snyder. And it would not surprise me if the Cleveland decision was influenced by Snyder.

If you listen to Keim, the coaching staff always thought Sam had a promising future, but felt he needed to develop. Also, if Ron didn't believe in Sam, he would not have bet his job security this upcoming season and name him starting QB.

While he definitely has his faults, I'm willing to give Ron a clean slate and see how he does without Snyder meddling with the team. If Snyder was actively bleeding this team for money, you can bet he was back to his old ways of meddling with football decisions.

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[quote=punch it in;1344019]Elite size. Definitely not. Thats fine with me.

His arm is a cannon though. At the combine he led all passers with a 59 mph throw. Also extremely accurate with the deep ball.[/quote]

I just don't get how so many "experts" underestimated Sam's arm strength. As you mentioned, he actually proved that he had the strongest arm of all the QB's at the combine. It's on the official record, for goodness sakes! Many NFL executives failed to see what Sam can become and they will regret it.

Meanwhile, the Press seems to think NFL execs are infallible so there must be something wrong with him because he was drafted in the 5th Round. "Well", someone might have said, "he must have a weak arm." So they all went with the weak arm story. Thus, the Colt McCoy comparison.

Again, as you suggested, the only thing Sam lacks is two or three inches in height. If he were 6"4" tall he might have been a 1st Round pick. That's how stupid people can be when they start to believe a false narrative rather than believing what they see with their own eyes. Our team executives weren't any smarter than the others but we got lucky. Luck is good!

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1344015]I don't think it was a lack of confidence in Sam. My read on that was that Ron is completely clueless on how to manage the QB position. Or he may simply have forgotten that his team had been eliminated from the playoffs the week before. Certainly, most of us must have seen that Ron was reality challenged to have started "Wince" Wentz against Cleveland. Ron is an admirable man but I don't believe that he has the awareness and judgement as a HC to lead this team to a championship.[/quote]

I agree with your assessment on Ron. But if they were loving what they were seeing in practice last year, wouldn't have they given Howell a shot earlier given the level of QB play we had ?
Anyway, they trust him know and that's what matters, I was just trying to say what we've seen in pre-season from Sam is a nice surprise to some extent because of this.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1344028]I just don't get how so many "experts" underestimated Sam's arm strength. As you mentioned, he actually proved that he had the strongest arm of all the QB's at the combine. It's on the official record, for goodness sakes! Many NFL executives failed to see what Sam can become and they will regret it.

Meanwhile, the Press seems to think NFL execs are infallible so there must be something wrong with him because he was drafted in the 5th Round. "Well", someone might have said, "he must have a weak arm." So they all went with the weak arm story. Thus, the Colt McCoy comparison.

Again, as you suggested, the only thing Sam lacks is two or three inches in height. If he were 6"4" tall he might have been a 1st Round pick. That's how stupid people can be when they start to believe a false narrative rather than believing what they see with their own eyes. Our team executives weren't any smarter than the others but we got lucky. Luck is good![/quote]

Sam was a projected First round pick at UNC .. he played his final year and lost a lot of talent and slipped .. that was our lucky break ! How many QB’s with a cannon or a great runner or whatever end up a bust and then think about some of the greatest were overlooked … We are fortunate Sam slipped to us !!

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The Sam Howell college stats thing is weird. It's like people are pretending his junior stats were shitty. He still had really good numbers, with a clearly inferior offense.

How many UNC guys from his junior year are in the NFL?

And, if he looked like Maye, and had the same exact stats the draft experts would have slobbed all over his knob.

We're not geniuses for picking him in the 5th round. We got lucky a lot of other teams were stupid. But I'm glad we were the team to end his fall.

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lol... you and SF are definitely running the Howell Fan Club. I'll take a wait and see approach. But so far hard not to like what we've seen.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1344015]I don't think it was a lack of confidence in Sam. My read on that was that Ron is completely clueless on how to manage the QB position. Or he may simply have forgotten that his team had been eliminated from the playoffs the week before. Certainly, most of us must have seen that Ron was reality challenged to have started "Wince" Wentz against Cleveland. Ron is an admirable man but I don't believe that he has the awareness and judgement as a HC to lead this team to a championship.[/quote]

Before he went out and got Wentz he was asking Joe Gibbs what kind of QB they scouted back in the 80's.. I knew right there that he didn't know wtf he was doing when it came to QB's. Joe liked big strong pure pocket guys but the league has totally changed. Those kind of guys will be dead in a few years. Everyone is drafting guys that can run. Having one of the best athletes at the QB position is where the league is going- so when he got Wentz I just knew that was going to fail. Once Wentz lost his mobility he was done as a QB. Wentz wasn't good enough to just sit back and beat you throwing.

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4 Weeks in and this offense is already MUCH BETTER than Turner ever had them playing.

2 Games of 30 or more points and 3 games of at least 20+.

Last yr we barely sniffed 30 in any game.

I love what I'm seeing but would like BROB to run more

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[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;1347195]4 Weeks in and this offense is already MUCH BETTER than Turner ever had them playing.

2 Games of 30 or more points and 3 games of at least 20+.

Last yr we barely sniffed 30 in any game.

I love what I'm seeing but would like BROB to run more[/QUOTE]


Yeah i feel like if we were putting up 30 spots last few years we would have won a ton of games. Now the D is giving up 30 spots. One of these weeks both units will show up for the same game. Hopefully Thursday.

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[quote=punch it in;1347197]Yeah i feel like if we were putting up 30 spots last few years we would have won a ton of games. Now the D is giving up 30 spots. One of these weeks both units will show up for the same game. Hopefully Thursday.[/quote]

The Bears aren't good, so the D should look great.

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For all the moaning, we're a damn sight better team than we were this time last year. And probably going to get better.

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I like how EB has adjusted the game plan to work for Howell.
It's clear Howell is lost sitting in the pocket waiting for plays to develop.

The game plan adjustment at halftime in Denver was perfect. Ran the ball down their throats.

My gripe is the soft run we do to the right behind Cosmi. Seems like a delay which only gives the defense time to react. I'd like to see more downhill runs.

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[quote=jamf;1347222]I like how EB has adjusted the game plan to work for Howell.
It's clear Howell is lost sitting in the pocket waiting for plays to develop.

The game plan adjustment at halftime in Denver was perfect. Ran the ball down their throats.

[B]My gripe is the soft run we do to the right behind Cosmi. Seems like a delay which only gives the defense time to react. I'd like to see more downhill runs.[/B][/quote]

Amen to this, hate that play.

Not as much as I hate going empty backfield when it's not an obvious passing down, again gives the defense the advantage.

Worst of all though was Logan Thomas running the sneak for a second time. He barely made it first time on about 5th effort and we run it again with predictable outcome.

:rant:

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I'd rather have LT run the QB sneak than Sam. Anyway, the 2nd one was a no play because of a false, and they got the 1st down anyway on their way to a TD.

Honestly, I wish every team would start running the "tush push". Force the league to ban it. It's the dumbest play in football right now - it's not even a football play. It's bad rugby...

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While on the subject of QB sneaks...

"Every study of quarterback sneaks that’s been conducted has proved they are significantly more successful than other short-yardage plays.

ESPN research from 2017 showed that every NFL team had a higher conversion rate on quarterback sneaks than on other short-yardage plays.

Pro Football Focus research from February showed that quarterback sneaks are 13 percent more successful than other types of runs from the opposing 1-yard line, and 20 percent more successful than other third-and-1 or fourth-and-1 plays.

Football Outsiders research from 2016 showed that quarterback sneaks are more successful than every other type of play on third down and fourth down.

Advanced Football Analytics research from 2011 showed that a QB sneak on third-and-2 is more likely to be successful than a running back carry on third-and-1.

The Wall Street Journal reported in October that every quarterback in the league with at least 10 career sneak attempts has a success rate of 75 percent or better.

A 2015 Yale research paper stated that QB sneak attempts are worth nearly twice as much as non-sneaks by a metric called estimated points added.

Universally, these studies give QB sneaks a success rate between 70 and 90 percent.

Nothing else in football has a 70 to 90 percent success rate!"

:)

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Time to start questioning EB just a bit? He’s getting Sam killed out there, another 5 sacks last night. 51 attempts for Sam last night, like WTF?

Did he study under the Spurrier school of QB protection?


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No way, he's our next Head Coach, haven't you heard?