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Must win

And now a twist, instead of Colt McCoy returning, he’s just been cut. Dobbs will be the starter at QB who they just traded for.

We cannot lose this game

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Commanders defense looking at that week 1 matchup now

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[quote=Chico23231;1344165]Must win

And now a twist, instead of Colt McCoy returning, he’s just been cut. Dobbs will be the starter at QB who they just traded for.

We cannot lose this game[/quote]

Is Dobbs starting? or are they going with their 5th round rookie clayton tune?

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[quote=SkinsGuru;1344179]Is Dobbs starting? or are they going with their 5th round rookie clayton tune?[/quote]

Dobbs will start, after the D fucks him, name that tune will be introduced to NFL pain.

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Cardinals completely trying to tank

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I'd be shocked if AZ scores 10 points

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1344222]I'd be shocked if AZ scores 10 points[/quote]

with the way the Commanders have started seasons, I wouldn't be shocked if we lose to AZ . . . we shouldn't, but we usually start the season pathetically. Hope it changes this year. It certainly feels different.

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Lets face it, the first game is likely to be by far the easiest, if they lose it or make too much hard work winning it then Ron is straight onto the hotseat with the fanbase, and the owner notices stuff like that.

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From what we’ve seen from camp, they’ll be fine

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I was pretty surprised that Colt got cut. But they were going to be bad w/ him, plus he can't stay healthy anyway. What a mess the Cards are. Probably want to draft Williams or the kid on NC.

Defense always struggles w/ running QB's but they gotta dominate these guys. If they lose this game, Ron's officially on the hot seat.

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It's a trap!

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Yes we should we win this one. Yes they shouldn't be able to score a lot on us.
I wouldn't sleep on their defense though. They are fast, bring pressure, and tackle well.
In pre-season it took 3 drives for Mahomes and KC's 1st to be able to move the ball on them.

Good test for our offense !

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I really hope nobody is taking the Cards for granted - yes from the outside looking in it looks like they're tanking but we should already know nothing comes easy for this team. I expect a dogfight.

Also r.e. Ron's comments about not knowing what a good player Howell was last year, and Pat McAfee saying Ron has basically lost his fastball - I'm getting real 2007 Joe Gibbs vibes here. Ron has been through a lot the last few years and he did get this organization back to a respectable standpoint. I wouldn't be surprised if we have another 7-10 win year and a quick playoff exit (if we even make it there) and he retires after this year.

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[quote=mooby;1344283]I really hope nobody is taking the Cards for granted - yes from the outside looking in it looks like they're tanking but we should already know nothing comes easy for this team. I expect a dogfight.

Also r.e. Ron's comments about not knowing what a good player Howell was last year, and Pat McAfee saying Ron has basically lost his fastball - I'm getting real 2007 Joe Gibbs vibes here. Ron has been through a lot the last few years and he did get this organization back to a respectable standpoint. I wouldn't be surprised if we have another 7-10 win year and a quick playoff exit (if we even make it there) and he retires after this year.[/quote]

Honestly looking at our division and schedule, even an improved team could go 7-9 wins and there would be nothing to be ashamed of. Agreed though, unless we make it deep into the playoffs with a team performing well on both side of the ball, Ron is probably retiring as a HC at the end of this season.

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Arizona's defense wasn't good last year. I'm not sure they'll be much better this year. That said, our offense hasn't proven anything yet either. I think I'm expecting a fairly even matchup.

Maybe we have (should have) the edge with our D against their O. On paper the D looks pretty good, but they got gashed a lot in the preseason, and then stepped up when it counted numerous times too.

The offense looked pretty good for the most part with Sam at the helm, but how much of that was vanilla Ds and going against 2s and 3s?

We'll see. Probably should win by 7-10 points, but I wouldn't be surprised if it's closer or we lose. I'm just not exactly sure what to expect yet.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1344285]Arizona's defense wasn't good last year. I'm not sure they'll be much better this year. That said, our offense hasn't proven anything yet either. I think I'm expecting a fairly even matchup.

Maybe we have (should have) the edge with our D against their O. On paper the D looks pretty good, but they got gashed a lot in the preseason, and then stepped up when it counted numerous times too.

The offense looked pretty good for the most part with Sam at the helm, but how much of that was vanilla Ds and going against 2s and 3s?

We'll see. Probably should win by 7-10 points, but I wouldn't be surprised if it's closer or we lose. I'm just not exactly sure what to expect yet.[/quote]

AZ's defense is expected to rank near the bottom of the league. their secondary is poor, their LB's are poor and their Dline is poor . . . all they have it Baker and he doesn't want to be there.

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Wasted second round pick Mathis on short term IR

[url]https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/report-commanders-place-dl-phidarian-mathis-on-ir-re-sign-c-tyler-larsen[/url]

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[quote=SkinsGuru;1344289]AZ's defense is expected to rank near the bottom of the league. their secondary is poor, their LB's are poor and their Dline is poor . . . all they have it Baker and he doesn't want to be there.[/quote]

I hope you're right, and I'm not saying they're elite or anything, but IMO don't be surprised if their front 7 proves to be a tougher than expected test for our question mark Oline.

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[quote=mooby;1344283]I really hope nobody is taking the Cards for granted - yes from the outside looking in it looks like they're tanking but we should already know nothing comes easy for this team. I expect a dogfight.

Also r.e. Ron's comments about not knowing what a good player Howell was last year, and Pat McAfee saying Ron has basically lost his fastball - I'm getting real 2007 Joe Gibbs vibes here. Ron has been through a lot the last few years and he did get this organization back to a respectable standpoint. I wouldn't be surprised if we have another 7-10 win year and a quick playoff exit (if we even make it there) and he retires after this year.[/quote]

John Keim has some good information on Sam Howell and his development last year. It sounds many of the offensive coaches did not think he was ready, and Ron based his decision on that. And that they wanted to give him an opportunity in the Houston game.

I still think a lot of the QB indecision at the season stemmed from Snyder's meddling (maybe when he knew he was selling, he stopped meddling).

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Ben Standig -

Commanders DE Chase Young is progressing from the "stinger" injury suffered in the preseason opener. However, he is still not cleared for contact, is expected to meet with another doctor this week, and is uncertain for Week 1, sources tell @TheAthletic.

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[quote=EdmundDorf;1344295]Ben Standig -

Commanders DE Chase Young is progressing from the "stinger" injury suffered in the preseason opener. However, he is still not cleared for contact, is expected to meet with another doctor this week, and is uncertain for Week 1, sources tell @TheAthletic.[/quote]

this guy....seriously

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1344292]I hope you're right, and I'm not saying they're elite or anything, but IMO don't be surprised if their front 7 proves to be a tougher than expected test for our question mark Oline.[/quote]

lol . . . should be a good matchup with our oline . . . its their first real game together and i don't expect too much from them

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on a positive note it was reported week 1 game is tracking towards a sell out

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[quote=Chico23231;1344290]Wasted second round pick Mathis on short term IR

[url]https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/report-commanders-place-dl-phidarian-mathis-on-ir-re-sign-c-tyler-larsen[/url][/quote]

What the hell..

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CY probably out for next week… still not cleared for contract per the athletic… dude is never healthy


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[quote=FrenchSkin;1344292]I hope you're right, and I'm not saying they're elite or anything, but IMO don't be surprised if their front 7 proves to be a tougher than expected test for our question mark Oline.[/quote]

bad pass pro O line + Howell not reading blitz = more quick game passing.

We now have a QB that can push the ball down field ... but a poorer O line than last year.

At least Eric B is familiar w Wylie's weaknesses and Leno is serviceable on his own most times.

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[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;1344304]CY probably out for next week… still not cleared for contract per the athletic… dude is never healthy


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No he is not. When he has been I don’t see what I expected anyway. Oh well. Maybe one of these years he will prove me wrong.

Mathis also.

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[QUOTE=FrenchSkin;1344292]I hope you're right, and I'm not saying they're elite or anything, but IMO don't be surprised if their front 7 proves to be a tougher than expected test for our question mark Oline.[/QUOTE]


Any team in the NFL is a tough test for our o line.

We got at least one more year. Need to replace our brain trust. Need to rebuild the oline, lb’s.

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[QUOTE=SFREDSKIN;1344229]From what we’ve seen from camp, they’ll be fine[/QUOTE]


How do you define fine? Is fine winning or not getting embarrassed by good teams? Is fine coming out in each half flat and than fighting to make things respectable? Also camp shmamp, every fan of every team thinks their team will be fine before the season starts. Im thinking 8 wins tops this year.

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[quote=punch it in;1344311]How do you define fine? Is fine winning or not getting embarrassed by good teams? Is fine coming out in each half flat and than fighting to make things respectable? Also [B]camp shmamp[/B], every fan of every team thinks their team will be fine before the season starts. Im thinking 8 wins tops this year.[/quote]

Yeah, "camp shmamp" and yada, yada, yada. That's telling him, Punch! They got to SHOW me, too.

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[quote=punch it in;1344311]How do you define fine? Is fine winning or not getting embarrassed by good teams? Is fine coming out in each half flat and than fighting to make things respectable? Also camp shmamp, every fan of every team thinks their team will be fine before the season starts. Im thinking 8 wins tops this year.[/quote]

I guess you'll be surprised like most, this isn't the team of years past. They have to deal with EB and he won't let up, the OL is better than last year and younger, still need a better T than Jay Leno. Howell will have the benefit of a solid running game and wide receivers, the D will be much more improved especially on the Dline and CB,S positions. I expect playoffs and they will make it.

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[QUOTE=SFREDSKIN;1344315]I guess you'll be surprised like most, this isn't the team of years past. They have to deal with EB and he won't let up, the OL is better than last year and younger, still need a better T than Jay Leno. Howell will have the benefit of a solid running game and wide receivers, the D will be much more improved especially on the Dline and CB,S positions. I expect playoffs and they will make it.[/QUOTE]


I think we are on the right track - hell Snyder is gone whatever track we are on it’s better! You know i love Sam. Think he will be here for years.
I have serious reservations about the oline. No way I expect the playoffs. Not this year. I completely, as always, appreciate your optimism. But like KI said, show me (not in camp).

Every year you scream playoffs in the pre season SF. One of these years you can finally say I told you so! It will be 2024. Lol.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1344315]I guess you'll be surprised like most, this isn't the team of years past. They have to deal with EB and he won't let up, the OL is better than last year and younger, still need a better T than Jay Leno. Howell will have the benefit of a solid running game and wide receivers, the D will be much more improved especially on the Dline and CB,S positions. I expect playoffs and they will make it.[/quote]

Very good assessment of the team and the o-line. The o-line last year was atrocious, so was the coaching, and the QBs.

I think that having a healthy S. Charles, adding Nick Gates and Wiley, and having Cosmi full-time at guard is a major improvement over last year. Yes, they need to gel better, but I think people have forgotten how awful the line was last (remember Norwell and Trai Turner? :puke: )

I trust EB's coaching and his ability to adapt a million times better than Scott Turner. That is a big improvement and it will make a difference with the offense.

Finally, have people forgotten how f*cking awful Wentz and Heinicke were?

I'm all for being cautiously optimistic, and injuries can always derail a season. But I think people forget how bad the offense was last year (outside of WRs and RBs).

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[quote=punch it in;1344316]I think we are on the right track - hell Snyder is gone whatever track we are on it’s better! You know i love Sam. Think he will be here for years.
I have serious reservations about the oline. No way I expect the playoffs. Not this year. I completely, as always, appreciate your optimism. But like KI said, show me (not in camp).

Every year you scream playoffs in the pre season SF. One of these years you can finally say I told you so! It will be 2024. Lol.[/quote]

If Rivera had played Howell the last 3 games of the season instead of hoping for Wentz to magically play like his old, old self, the team would have made the playoffs.

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I think they sneak into the playoffs. They were one game away last year, and by all accounts, this should be a better team than last year's team. I can't think of a position group that isn't either the same or expected to be better based on the offseason moves. Have to go out & prove it now.

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8-10 wins is what I see. 9 probably gets you in. 10 is pretty much a lock. It would be sweet to get double digit wins the 1st Snyderless season.

But this year is already a win. Starting in 2024, I expect to actually have a chance to make some noise in the post-season.

Draft 7 offensive lineman in 2024 if that's what it takes.

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I didn't know Obada was also put on IR?

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[QUOTE=Ruhskins;1344317]Very good assessment of the team and the o-line. The o-line last year was atrocious, so was the coaching, and the QBs.

I think that having a healthy S. Charles, adding Nick Gates and Wiley, and having Cosmi full-time at guard is a major improvement over last year. Yes, they need to gel better, but I think people have forgotten how awful the line was last (remember Norwell and Trai Turner? :puke: )

I trust EB's coaching and his ability to adapt a million times better than Scott Turner. That is a big improvement and it will make a difference with the offense.

Finally, have people forgotten how f*cking awful Wentz and Heinicke were?

I'm all for being cautiously optimistic, and injuries can always derail a season. But I think people forget how bad the offense was last year (outside of WRs and RBs).[/QUOTE]


Our schedule has 7 wins written all over it. Hate to be that guy but….


All I really want to see this year is Sam ball out. There are going to be major changes after this season and then it is on. Just keepin it real. Lol.

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[quote=punch it in;1344328]Our schedule has 7 wins written all over it. Hate to be that guy but….


All I really want to see this year is Sam ball out. There are going to be major changes after this season and then it is on. Just keepin it real. Lol.[/quote]

You are giving other teams more credit than ours.

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[quote=punch it in;1344328][B]Our schedule has 7 wins written all over it.[/B] Hate to be that guy but….


All I really want to see this year is Sam ball out. There are going to be major changes after this season and then it is on. Just keepin it real. Lol.[/quote]

I can see why you would say that. It's not the easiest schedule.

- I think we can go .500 vs the AFC East.
- I think we take 4/7 from Chicago, Arizona, Denver, LA, SF, Seattle, & Atlanta.
- I think we go at least .500 vs the NFC East (we went 2-3-1 last year).

That's 9 wins... I'm thinking 7 is the floor and 11 is the ceiling.

Hopefully the ball bounces our way this year more than it doesn't.