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I think the trades signal the season officially being punted. A Rivera special. That means only 1 thing, it's draft season baby!! LOL.

[url]https://www.hogshaven.com/2023/10/31/23940789/nfl-trade-news-the-washington-commanders-now-have-9-picks-in-the-2024-nfl-draft[/url]

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1350783]I think the trades signal the season officially being punted. A Rivera special. That means only 1 thing, it's draft season baby!! LOL.

[url]https://www.hogshaven.com/2023/10/31/23940789/nfl-trade-news-the-washington-commanders-now-have-9-picks-in-the-2024-nfl-draft[/url][/quote]

Time to start watching more college ball, including USC and UNC.

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I don't think they are punting on the season as much as they are trying to set themselves up better for next year's draft.

While I'm not necessarily in agreement, the consensus seems to be that these two DEs were under performing. Either way, I don't think there will be much of a difference on the defense for the rest of the season. I mean we still have JDR, and like someone already said...we're like the #31 defense already.

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Who are the top DE’s in the draft next year? The UCLA guy, Florida State, Ohio State or Penn State?

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Man, I can't mock draft in November...

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1350789]I don't think they are punting on the season as much as they are trying to set themselves up better for next year's draft.
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Agree. As I said in the "trade thread," this is a about getting a jump on the offseason as well.

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PERFECT timing SD for the 2024 draft thread!!

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1350791]Man, I can't mock draft in November...[/quote]

Might as well start early! haha

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Joe Alt in the first round.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1350794]Might as well start early! haha[/quote]

Hopefully Fanspeak is updated tomorrow.

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[QUOTE=sdskinsfan2001;1350801]Hopefully Fanspeak is updated tomorrow.[/QUOTE]


PFN updated with our 9 picks.

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[quote=punch it in;1350825]PFN updated with our 9 picks.[/quote]

Guess I'm taking today off work. I already have tomorrow off lol.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1350783]I think the trades signal the season officially being punted. A Rivera special. That means only 1 thing, it's draft season baby!! LOL.

[url]https://www.hogshaven.com/2023/10/31/23940789/nfl-trade-news-the-washington-commanders-now-have-9-picks-in-the-2024-nfl-draft[/url][/quote]

I am awaiting your first mock draft with anticipation. Bold prediction: Every player you select in your first mock draft of the season will get injured in their next game that effectively ends their potential NFL career.

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1350840]I am awaiting your first mock draft with anticipation. Bold prediction: [B]Every player you select in your first mock draft of the season will get injured in their next game that effectively ends their potential NFL career.[/B][/quote]

Damn dude, that's a little dark for a nice fall Wednesday morning.

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We need to lose some more games, picking too low to get the elite LT's. Rivera should be able to take care of that for us. But Bowers is a fucking beast.

12: R1 P12 - TE Brock Bowers - Georgia
35: R2 P3 - EDGE Laiatu Latu - UCLA
44: R2 P12 - OT Zion Nelson - Miami
76: R3 P12 - OT Patrick Paul - Houston
99: R3 P35 - G Joshua Gray - Oregon State
112: R4 P12 - LB Danny Stutsman - Oklahoma
148: R5 P12 - LB Jamon Dumas-Johnson - Georgia
187: R6 P12 - G Drake Nugent - Michigan
231: R7 P12 - RB Isaiah Davis - South Dakota State

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2: R1 P12 - EDGE Dallas Turner - Alabama
35: R2 P3 - OT Jack Nelson - Wisconsin
44: R2 P12 - OT Tyler Guyton - Oklahoma
76: R3 P12 - LB Smael Mondon - Georgia
99: R3 P35 - TE Cade Stover - Ohio State
112: R4 P12 - G Beaux Limmer - Arkansas
148: R5 P12 - LB Barrett Carter - Clemson
187: R6 P12 - G Drake Nugent - Michigan
231: R7 P12 - RB MarShawn Lloyd - USC

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1350849]2: R1 P12 - EDGE Dallas Turner - Alabama
35: R2 P3 - OT Jack Nelson - Wisconsin
44: R2 P12 - OT Tyler Guyton - Oklahoma
76: R3 P12 - LB Smael Mondon - Georgia
99: R3 P35 - TE Cade Stover - Ohio State
112: R4 P12 - G Beaux Limmer - Arkansas
148: R5 P12 - LB Barrett Carter - Clemson
187: R6 P12 - G Drake Nugent - Michigan
231: R7 P12 - RB MarShawn Lloyd - USC[/quote]

Fans will throw a shit fit if we draft an Edge rush in the first round after getting rid of our two high end edge rushers to get the draft pics in the first place

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[quote=SkinsGuru;1350850]Fans will throw a shit fit if we draft an Edge rush in the first round after getting rid of our two high end edge rushers to get the draft pics in the first place[/quote]

That first round pick will be a QB, unless the new coaching staff gets one in free agency.

I can't see a scenario where: Howell plays lights out, the team continues to lose, the current coaching staff gets fired, and a new coach is willing to bet on Howell as a starting QB.

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I gotta say - we're coming off a performance where a Commies qb threw for almost 400 yards and 4 td's in a loss and there are numerous quality comments saying qb will be the first pick next year - ignoring that we're most likely to end up around the middle of the first round where we're always at under Ron.

It's insane to me that some people here have given up on Howell 9 games into his pro career. It took Kirk Cousins at minimum half a season in his 4th? year before shit clicked and he led the greatest comeback in Redskins history.

Next coaching staff better go BPA in the first round, this team has way too many holes to think otherwise.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1350841]Damn dude, that's a little dark for a nice fall Wednesday morning.[/quote]

It is only been a few hours and you have already ruined 18 young men's careers. Gonna start calling you the grim reaper

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[quote=SkinsGuru;1350850]Fans will throw a shit fit if we draft an Edge rush in the first round after getting rid of our two high end edge rushers to get the draft pics in the first place[/quote]

I wouldn't get that. You trade 2 of them, they need to be replaced somehow. And this guy we would have for at least 4 years at a way lower salary than either of what Sweat or Payne will have next season.

I want the PSU or ND OT, but they are always already gone by our pick.

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[quote=mooby;1350856]I gotta say - we're coming off a performance where a Commies qb threw for almost 400 yards and 4 td's in a loss and there are numerous quality comments saying qb will be the first pick next year - ignoring that we're most likely to end up around the middle of the first round where we're always at under Ron.

It's insane to me that some people here have given up on Howell 9 games into his pro career. It took Kirk Cousins at minimum half a season in his 4th? year before shit clicked and he led the greatest comeback in Redskins history.

Next coaching staff better go BPA in the first round, this team has way too many holes to think otherwise.[/quote]

If we are picking where we are now, it will all be moot, because the top guys will already be gone. No way I'm betting on a 2nd tier guy over Howell with all the other holes we have.

My top 3 choices would be Drake Maye, Olu Fashanu, and Joe Alt.

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[quote=mooby;1350856]I gotta say - we're coming off a performance where a Commies qb threw for almost 400 yards and 4 td's in a loss and there are numerous quality comments saying qb will be the first pick next year - ignoring that we're most likely to end up around the middle of the first round where we're always at under Ron.

It's insane to me that some people here have given up on Howell 9 games into his pro career. It took Kirk Cousins at minimum half a season in his 4th? year before shit clicked and he led the greatest comeback in Redskins history.

Next coaching staff better go BPA in the first round, this team has way too many holes to think otherwise.[/quote]

If Howell continues to improve and the team starts winning, do you think Rivera and company gets fired?

If Howells plays well, but the team is still losing, and Rivera and co. get fired, do you think a new coach is going to go all in on Howell? I highly doubt that.

Personally, I think that was one of the biggest flaws that we've had when Jay and Ron were hired: they were told to work with an existing QB and were not given the resources to draft their own QB. That needs to change IMO.

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Can't rule out a new GM/HC coming in here and going all out to get their guy at QB, whether that's trading up in the draft, free agency, trading for a vet, etc. In fact that scenario is more likely than not, no matter what Sam does the rest of the way.

Sam really has to kill it these last 10 games to make that a tougher decision for the next GM/HC.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1350859]I wouldn't get that. You trade 2 of them, they need to be replaced somehow. And this guy we would have for at least 4 years at a way lower salary than either of what Sweat or Payne will have next season.

I want the PSU or ND OT, but they are always already gone by our pick.[/quote]

i think we have decent enough replacements that we can do 2nd or 3rd round edge . . . even after the trades we still need oline, linebacker and corner far more than DE . . . and we don't even know what defensive base we will run next year, if we switch to a 3/4 does that guy even fit?

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[quote=SkinsGuru;1350870]i think we have decent enough replacements that we can do 2nd or 3rd round edge . . . even after the trades we still need oline, linebacker and corner far more than DE . . . and we don't even know what defensive base we will run next year, if we switch to a 3/4 does that guy even fit?[/quote]

He was the best player available and at a position of need. The other guys we have are career back-ups. No way we don't add someone for 2024. Now, it might not be a 1st rounder, but that pick made sense in the draft I was in.

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As a Wisconsin alum and season ticket holder, please please please say no to Jack Nelson.

He is not good at all. Feet of stone.

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Sam can put the QB talk to rest and I hope he does. A lot of games to be played. But even if he is lights out, you still have to draft a QB. Maybe grab a guy in the mid rounds.

Gotta put the pieces around him w/ a couple stud linemen, another TE and a OC that will run the ball and not put 50+ pass attempts on him. When he has played his best it's been as good as anyone.

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[quote=MTK;1350868]Can't rule out a new GM/HC coming in here and going all out to get their guy at QB, whether that's trading up in the draft, free agency, trading for a vet, etc. In fact that scenario is more likely than not, no matter what Sam does the rest of the way.

Sam really has to kill it these last 10 games to make that a tougher decision for the next GM/HC.[/quote]

This is why I would fire RR and JDR now and make EB interim HC. He seems to like Howell, and to get the permanent job it would be totally in his best interests for Howell to succeed. If both fail, any new coach coming in will be justified in drafting his own QB. Not sure I see a downside, especially as if Howell and EB succeed, it means we get to use our picks to fill 9 holes instead of trading them away in an effort to get into the top 5.

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[QUOTE=Ruhskins;1350855]That first round pick will be a QB, unless the new coaching staff gets one in free agency.

I can't see a scenario where: Howell plays lights out, the team continues to lose, the current coaching staff gets fired, and a new coach is willing to bet on Howell as a starting QB.[/QUOTE]


Didn’t that scenario just happen? Lol. I mean they haven’t gotten fired yet but Howell played lights out and we continued to lose. Now that Sweat and Young are gone Howell could certainly play lights out and our defense is going to be giving up 40 a game. I think we are literally staring straight down the barrel of that exact scenario.

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I’m gonna pull for Sam and hopefully he will be the franchise QB we have been searching for …

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A look back at 2019 draft. With the trade of Sweat only Terry is still on the team.
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[quote=AnonEmouse;1350882]This is why I would fire RR and JDR now and make EB interim HC. He seems to like Howell, and to get the permanent job it would be totally in his best interests for Howell to succeed. If both fail, any new coach coming in will be justified in drafting his own QB. Not sure I see a downside, especially as if Howell and EB succeed, it means we get to use our picks to fill 9 holes instead of trading them away in an effort to get into the top 5.[/quote]

EB is already in over his head as OC and you want to give him even more control and responsibility?

That would be a hard pass for me.

And if I were EB I wouldn’t want it, he’s set up to fail.

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[QUOTE=MTK;1350932]EB is already in over his head as OC and you want to give him even more control and responsibility?

That would be a hard pass for me.

And if I were EB I wouldn’t want it, he’s set up to fail.[/QUOTE]


I don’t think he is in over his head. I think he is stubborn af. We have seen this offense even with this line absolutely light it up. I think if he had the pieces he could be really effective. Look at KC’s offense without him. Not nearly as good. [emoji2371]

Im not defending his stubbornness Im just acknowledging that i dont think it is him being over his head.

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I’m just not convinced EB is a capable OC let alone HC.

I’d let things play out with Ron and wipe the slate clean the day after the season ends.

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Probably exactly what will happen…

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[QUOTE=MTK;1350940]I’m just not convinced EB is a capable OC let alone HC.

I’d let things play out with Ron and wipe the slate clean the day after the season ends.[/QUOTE]


Handling the EB situation is the trickiest thing Harris to do over the next year. (If that isn’t clear, then you haven’t been following the media yammering about his interview history or his arrest record.) That’s one reason Ron can’t be fired now, cause it just forces the EB issue before anyone’s ready to open that worm can. Much cleaner, as Matty says, to sweep out GM, HC, and coordinators and their minions and let the new regime hire back anyone of value.


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[quote=punch it in;1350937]I don’t think he is in over his head. I think he is stubborn af. We have seen this offense even with this line absolutely light it up. I think if he had the pieces he could be really effective. Look at KC’s offense without him. Not nearly as good. [emoji2371]

Im not defending his stubbornness Im just acknowledging that i dont think it is him being over his head.[/quote]

I think EB has shown flashes of being a good playcaller - obviously Sam Howell is putting up numbers (in flashes) better than we ever saw from Heinicke or any of the other dozen qb's in the last 5 years.

EB still has to grow too though - he needs to learn the importance of the running game, balance, using the run to setup play action, etc. which might take some time.

I'm on board with canning Ron and JDR after the season and letting a new guy pick whether to retain EB or not - I can certainly make the argument it would help Howell stay next year if they retained EB as the playcaller. Bringing in a new playcaller either stunts Howell's development or means bringing in a new qb and starting over which I don't want to do, at least on offense. I want them to shore up the weaknesses (offensive line #1) and focus on the defense after that.