2024 Commanders Off-Season Thread
 

My favorite time of the football year is between when our standard shitty season ends and the draft. It's here baby!

1. Who is the GM
2. Who is the HC
3. Does the new GM like Daniels or Maye more?

These are the questions.

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I would like to know the discussion between Harris and Joe Gibbs had in the box. I'm sure Harris will listen to Joe.

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Too soon. I want to savor the Riverboat Retard firing this evening.

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I am doing my ‘72 dolphins impression and popping champagne

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[quote=jamf;1356325]Too soon. I want to savor the Riverboat Retard firing this evening.[/quote]

Martin fucking Meyhew for me.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1356324]I would like to know the discussion between Harris and Joe Gibbs had in the box. I'm sure Harris will listen to Joe.[/quote]

Let's hope not. Joe Gibbs recommended Rivera. We all love Joe but he's been out of the game too long to be recommending a GM or coach.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1356332]Let's hope not. Joe Gibbs recommended Rivera. We all love Joe but he's been out of the game too long to be recommending a GM or coach.[/quote]

It showed during his second stint

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Lots of numbers coming to mind as we wrap-up this shitshow today.
[LIST=1][*]Ron Rivera 4-13 this year. Greg Olsen mentions how much respect his players have for him, but the name of the game is winning. Enjoy forced retirement Ron, you deserve it. [*]Aka the number of wins we had in 2 games to start the season. Coincidentally, also the number of wins we recorded in the following 15 games. [*]Ron's faith in Jack Del Rio. Ultimately what sank the ship this year. [*]First round draft picks on the d-line to start the year. Bought high and sold low. It's the Commies way. [*]Terry Mac - I can't believe it took Sam Howell 16 games and 59 minutes to get you to the 1k mark for the year. I still believe in you though. Let's see what the next qb can do because Howell needs another 2-3 years on the bench before I want to see him in a game again. [*]Sam Cosmi - the only starter on the o-line worth retaining. I loved seeing him shutdown Parsons to start the game. [/LIST]

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78Million Cap Space
64Million "Effective Cap Space" from Overthecap.com

2nd overall pick

New Ownership (That understands sports and isn't a donkey's ass)
Likely new stadium plan laid out within 3 years

We are likely the most desirable job in the NFL

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I hope Harris isn't seriously thinking of Hiring BB ... and give up Draft picks to do it .. please please NO !!!

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[quote=rocnrik;1356339]I hope Harris isn't seriously thinking of Hiring BB ... and give up Draft picks to do it .. please please NO !!![/quote]

He is not

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Josh Harris ain't that type of guy who is gonna fire anyone before they can leave the stadium.

I'm assuming tomorrow they come in, he lets the entire staff clean out their offices, gives them a handshake and tells them good luck.

Ron's a respected person but a lousy coach. Harris is gonna keep it classy, thank him for his time and wish him well. If it was Snyder Ron wouldn't have made it past the Thanksgiving blowout.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1356338]78Million Cap Space
64Million "Effective Cap Space" from Overthecap.com

2nd overall pick

New Ownership (That understands sports and isn't a donkey's ass)
Likely new stadium plan laid out within 3 years

We are likely the most desirable job in the NFL[/quote]

Chargers look good too, they already have the main puzzle piece figured out with Herbert and that team has talent, just needs competent coaching. Spanos as owner is probably gonna hold them back a little though, he's not much better than Tepper.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1356332]Let's hope not. Joe Gibbs recommended Rivera. We all love Joe but he's been out of the game too long to be recommending a GM or coach.[/quote]

Did J Gibbs recommend RR, or did RR seek out Joe prior to accepting the job?

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[quote=mooby;1356344]Chargers look good too, they already have the main puzzle piece figured out with Herbert and that team has talent, just needs competent coaching. Spanos as owner is probably gonna hold them back a little though, he's not much better than Tepper.[/quote]

Yeah, I think Harris beats Spanos, at least for now. Hopefully, the restraint Harris has shown throughout this season bodes well for our franchise's future.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1356332]Let's hope not. Joe Gibbs recommended Rivera. We all love Joe but he's been out of the game too long to be recommending a GM or coach.[/quote]

Football is not a 21st century sport, if you know football, you know football.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1356347]Did J Gibbs recommend RR, or did RR seek out Joe prior to accepting the job?[/quote]

According to local reports Gibbs encouraged Snyder to come down to Carolina and talk to Ron

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1356349]Football is not a 21st century sport, if you know football, you know football.[/quote]

I love Coach Joe and thank him immensely for the success he had first time around and the respectability he had 2nd time around but this is 100% the wrong take. His 2nd time around he thought he could skip the whole "develop a young qb" thing by getting Brunell and that was one of his big downfalls. The game passed him by - offensive rules were getting made emphasizing pass interference/big plays/more scoring and the great teams of those days realized where the advantage was.

The NFL has been tilting the rules in favor of the offense for the last 20 years or so and Coach Joe thought he could still win with a veteran qb game manager and a strong running game. Those days are gone. Ball control will win games when you're playing quick-score offenses (good defense and strong running game will hold them in check) but it's not an effective strategy for winning 12 games and a title. The best teams have solid defenses and aggressive offenses that air it out (which is what the NFL wants).

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1356349]Football is not a 21st century sport, if you know football, you know football.[/quote]

Yes, but knowing the best coordinators and gm's is different. If JG was giving advice on the character of guys, I would trust him implicitly, but knowing the best FO hires and innovative HC guys, not as much.

I am glad he is talking with JG, because I believe JG truly wants this franchise to thrive. But I hope he is getting advice from guys like the analytics dude he brought in.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1356355]Yes, but knowing the best coordinators and gm's is different. If JG was giving advice on the character of guys, I would trust him implicitly, but knowing the best FO hires and innovative HC guys, not as much.

I am glad he is talking with JG, because I believe JG truly wants this franchise to thrive. But I hope he is getting advice from guys like the analytics dude he brought in.[/quote]

Exactly! I'm one who normally agrees with Chief. I don't know if I'd consult with Gibbs nowadays. Gibbs might be promoting or pushing for Belichek for all we know.

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[quote=PorkSkins;1356359]Exactly! I'm one who normally agrees with Chief. I don't know if I'd consult with Gibbs nowadays. Gibbs might be promoting or pushing for Belichek for all we know.[/quote]

It never hurts to consult but I'd have issues if Gibbs was leading the search for the next GM. He's an old-school type in a new-school game.

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[quote=PorkSkins;1356359]Exactly! I'm one who normally agrees with Chief. I don't know if I'd consult with Gibbs nowadays. Gibbs might be promoting or pushing for Belichek for all we know.[/quote]

If Gibbs knew anything about Peters, Horvitz or Aponte I would be shocked

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I didn't think that we could find a way to be WORSE with Dan Snyder finally gone, but somehow Ron Rivera and this squad managed to do it.

Losing 8 straight games, is that a franchise worst, or near a franchise worst?


On a side note, to piggyback on what other posters have said, I have an issue with Joe Gibbs being involved in picking the new HC. I don't want to sound disrespectful to the legend, but he needs to sit this one out. Gibbs was real high on Ron Rivera and everybody saw how that worked out. The man is a legend and beloved by all Washington fans, but I think he should not be involved in the search for a HC or GM..

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[quote=mooby;1356336]Lots of numbers coming to mind as we wrap-up this shitshow today.
[LIST=1][*]Ron Rivera 4-13 this year. Greg Olsen mentions how much respect his players have for him, but the name of the game is winning. Enjoy forced retirement Ron, you deserve it. [*]Aka the number of wins we had in 2 games to start the season. Coincidentally, also the number of wins we recorded in the following 15 games. [*]Ron's faith in Jack Del Rio. Ultimately what sank the ship this year. [*]First round draft picks on the d-line to start the year. Bought high and sold low. It's the Commies way. [*]Terry Mac - I can't believe it took Sam Howell 16 games and 59 minutes to get you to the 1k mark for the year. I still believe in you though. Let's see what the next qb can do because Howell needs another 2-3 years on the bench before I want to see him in a game again. [*]Sam Cosmi - the only starter on the o-line worth retaining. I loved seeing him shutdown Parsons to start the game. [/LIST][/quote]

Ron was just another doomed coach and the last failure of the Snyder regime. Today, the Snyder Era finally ends.

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[quote=SolidSnake84;1356368]I didn't think that we could find a way to be WORSE with Dan Snyder finally gone, but somehow Ron Rivera and this squad managed to do it.

Losing 8 straight games, is that a franchise worst, or near a franchise worst?


On a side note, to piggyback on what other posters have said, I have an issue with Joe Gibbs being involved in picking the new HC. I don't want to sound disrespectful to the legend, but he needs to sit this one out. Gibbs was real high on Ron Rivera and everybody saw how that worked out. The man is a legend and beloved by all Washington fans, but I think he should not be involved in the search for a HC or GM..[/quote]

Takes guts to stand out on that limb SS.

Seriously I think we're all in agreement on that. I'm not worried about it though, look at Harris' track record with the 76ers and the Devils.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1356370]Ron was just another doomed coach and the last failure of the Snyder regime. Today, the Snyder Era finally ends.[/quote]

Snyder era finally ends if we get rid of the dumb name. That's the last link. Problem is we have 99 other problems that take priority first.

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1356334]It showed during his second stint[/quote]

Dan forcing them to bring in AL Saunders fucked up our offense in Joe's second stint for sure.

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[QUOTE=Ruhskins;1356370]Ron was just another doomed coach and the last failure of the Snyder regime. Today, the Snyder Era finally ends.[/QUOTE][URL]https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=9jK-NcRmVcw&si=2w9OxG90qwACPLUJ[/URL]

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1356355]Yes, but knowing the best coordinators and gm's is different. If JG was giving advice on the character of guys, I would trust him implicitly, but knowing the best FO hires and innovative HC guys, not as much.

I am glad he is talking with JG, because I believe JG truly wants this franchise to thrive. But I hope he is getting advice from guys like the analytics dude he brought in.[/quote]

Joe was given Vinny Cerrato as his GM and roster, not a good thing.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1356382]Joe was given Vinny Cerrato as his GM and roster, not a good thing.[/quote]

Excellent point, but Cerrato wasn't coaching the team on gameday either. I would argue Snyder gave Gibbs final say over the roster too given his credibility.

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[quote=mooby;1356383]Excellent point, but Cerrato wasn't coaching the team on gameday either. I would argue Snyder gave Gibbs final say over the roster too given his credibility.[/quote]

Bottom line, he inherited a shitty roster and FA’s and was expected to create a miracle. Joe quit to save his reputation, he gave in to Snyders desperation and shouldn’t have.

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[quote=mooby;1356383]Excellent point, but Cerrato wasn't coaching the team on gameday either. I would argue Snyder gave Gibbs final say over the roster too given his credibility.[/quote]

Gibbs was the only coach where I believe that Snyder never meddled in football personnel decisions.

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Ok, Gotta draw a line on Gibbs 2.0 bashi
ng. He coached his ass off and arguably digotgot more out of less and coached BETTER than he did when he won the damn Superbowls. Twice, he went in December runs to make the playoffs in December while hanging in a thread with a subpar roster. Once dealing with a frickin murder situation. Don't mess with Gibbs. He is awesome. Maybe didn't have the most creative stuff, but frankly, he had brunell. How the hell would you win with Brunell? Running game and defense and field position and special teams in low scoring games. Sorry guys, his players were average at best. A good coach gets more from less, like Gibbs. A bad coach gets less from more, like Rivera. Regarding Gibbs advice. He is a coach, not a GM. GMs don't motivate, they build teams. We need Bethard 2.0, Gibbs 2.0 without Bethard 2.0 is a very good coach, just not a Superbowl winner. You need player to win. It takes the right 100 people to do that. One coach, no matter who it is, cannot win with a sucky team, look at Darth hoodie.

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[quote=skinsnut;1356393]Ok, Gotta draw a line on Gibbs 2.0 bashi
ng. He coached his ass off and arguably digotgot more out of less and coached BETTER than he did when he won the damn Superbowls. Twice, he went in December runs to make the playoffs in December while hanging in a thread with a subpar roster. Once dealing with a frickin murder situation. Don't mess with Gibbs. He is awesome. Maybe didn't have the most creative stuff, but frankly, he had brunell. How the hell would you win with Brunell? Running game and defense and field position and special teams in low scoring games. Sorry guys, his players were average at best. A good coach gets more from less, like Gibbs. A bad coach gets less from more, like Rivera. Regarding Gibbs advice. He is a coach, not a GM. GMs don't motivate, they build teams. We need Bethard 2.0, Gibbs 2.0 without Bethard 2.0 is a very good coach, just not a Superbowl winner. You need player to win. It takes the right 100 people to do that. One coach, no matter who it is, cannot win with a sucky team, look at Darth hoodie.[/quote]

Also, Gibbs was recommending Rivera to f*cking Dan Snyder, not to a competent owner.

Not to take away from the fact that Rivera royally f*cked up this year, but in the first three years with Snyder, no coach (except Gibbs) was going to be succesful.

People forget that Ron's hire and the whole notion of "him being in charge" was just another ruse by Snyder, since he knew everything was collapsing around him.

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[quote=skinsnut;1356393]Ok, Gotta draw a line on Gibbs 2.0 bashi
ng. He coached his ass off and arguably digotgot more out of less and coached BETTER than he did when he won the damn Superbowls. Twice, he went in December runs to make the playoffs in December while hanging in a thread with a subpar roster. Once dealing with a frickin murder situation. Don't mess with Gibbs. He is awesome. Maybe didn't have the most creative stuff, but frankly, he had brunell. How the hell would you win with Brunell? Running game and defense and field position and special teams in low scoring games. Sorry guys, his players were average at best. A good coach gets more from less, like Gibbs. A bad coach gets less from more, like Rivera. Regarding Gibbs advice. He is a coach, not a GM. GMs don't motivate, they build teams. We need Bethard 2.0, Gibbs 2.0 without Bethard 2.0 is a very good coach, just not a Superbowl winner. You need player to win. It takes the right 100 people to do that. One coach, no matter who it is, cannot win with a sucky team, look at Darth hoodie.[/quote]

He’s best coaching was after ST was killed and made the playoffs with Todd Collins at QB.

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I don’t think anyone is bashing Gibbs I don’t think it is a fallacy to say there are people I would prefer Harris to confide in with a GM/HC search

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Hire a GM
Hire a HC
Trade down a few spots, get an additional haul of picks
Draft Penix
Build the roster with the rest of the picks and FA

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[quote=skinsnut;1356393]Ok, Gotta draw a line on Gibbs 2.0 bashi
ng. He coached his ass off and arguably digotgot more out of less and coached BETTER than he did when he won the damn Superbowls. Twice, he went in December runs to make the playoffs in December while hanging in a thread with a subpar roster. Once dealing with a frickin murder situation. Don't mess with Gibbs. He is awesome. Maybe didn't have the most creative stuff, but frankly, he had brunell. How the hell would you win with Brunell? Running game and defense and field position and special teams in low scoring games. Sorry guys, his players were average at best. A good coach gets more from less, like Gibbs. A bad coach gets less from more, like Rivera. Regarding Gibbs advice. He is a coach, not a GM. GMs don't motivate, they build teams. We need Bethard 2.0, Gibbs 2.0 without Bethard 2.0 is a very good coach, just not a Superbowl winner. You need player to win. It takes the right 100 people to do that. One coach, no matter who it is, cannot win with a sucky team, look at Darth hoodie.[/quote]

You think Joe coached better during his 2nd run here than he did during the SB years? C'mon. He didn't even run the offense in 06 and 07.

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You really want to draft Greg Oden at QB?
4/5 college seasons ended with major injuries, both knees and shoulders blown out!
He hit the superfecta of injuries.

No doubt the guy can play but his injury history scares me away.
[url]https://www.sportingnews.com/us/ncaa-football/news/michael-penix-jr-injury-history-washington-qb/53294f30524200aa707f2876[/url]


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Bill Parcells

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the gibbs roster wasn't that bad. he chose brunell, so, that part is 100% on him. brunell "won" a playoff game with 25 total yards passing and an interception.

he did good, we got to the playoffs 2/4 years, which, you know, is success around here.