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I don't know why, but for some reason I think we somehow end up w/ J.J. McCarthy. Not based on any evidence, news, facts, etc., just a random feeling.

He's actually starting to grow on me.

I wouldn't be mad at it.

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[QUOTE=sdskinsfan2001;1360594]I don't know why, but for some reason I think we somehow end up w/ J.J. McCarthy. Not based on any evidence, news, facts, etc., just a random feeling.



He's actually starting to grow on me.



I wouldn't be mad at it.[/QUOTE]I really wouldn't be shocked if that happened, but I wonder if we have him or any other than Maye and JD scheduled for pro days.

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I don't care who they pick. If they like JJ - fine, but take him at #2. If you think he's the franchise guy over Maye or Daniels - no reason to play games and trade back thinking you could get him elsewhere in the top 10 or wherever they would end up.

I think it will be Maye or Daniels at #2 though. I just don't know which one they want, and that's a good thing.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1360612]I don't care who they pick. If they like JJ - fine, but take him at #2. If you think he's the franchise guy over Maye or Daniels - no reason to play games and trade back thinking you could get him elsewhere in the top 10 or wherever they would end up.

I think it will be Maye or Daniels at #2 though. I just don't know which one they want, and that's a good thing.[/quote]

Daniels > McCarthy > Maye is my pecking order right now. But yeah, I'll take any of them, and trust the new FO/staff is correct.

Gotta start out thinking positively. Don't want let the past dictate the future.

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McCarthy is the only other guy that even remotely comes to mind to be our pick at quarterback but it is really remote. Like the darkest recesses of the universe remote.
He has a weakish arm and was propped up by a really great team around him, staff too. Hard pass for me, but there is always the Tom Brady thing that happens so [emoji2371].

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[quote=punch it in;1360623]McCarthy is the only other guy that even remotely comes to mind to be our pick at quarterback but it is really remote. Like the darkest recesses of the universe remote.
He has a weakish arm and was propped up by a really great team around him, staff too. Hard pass for me, but there is always the Tom Brady thing that happens so [emoji2371].[/quote]

I didn't watch him play much. But he has great accuracy and ball placement. He seems to know exactly where the ball needs to be placed in solid coverage. That will translate to the NFL. No. 2 might be a little high based on pure physical attributes, but if we did pick him there, I'd rock with it.

Basically every pick is a toss-up gamble anyways.

I'm jacked up for 4/25/2024 though. I liked our FA. If we can come out of our 1st 3 picks with a QB/OT/Misc., I'm good to go.

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[quote=punch it in;1360623]McCarthy is the only other guy that even remotely comes to mind to be our pick at quarterback but it is really remote. Like the darkest recesses of the universe remote.
He has a weakish arm and was propped up by a really great team around him, staff too. Hard pass for me, but there is always the Tom Brady thing that happens so [emoji2371].[/quote]

Agree.

I think there is a bit of a honeymoon effect with JD which will fade. Peters will pick Maye but will feel out the Bears for Williams at 1 first.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1360625]I didn't watch him play much. But he has great accuracy and ball placement. He seems to know exactly where the ball needs to be placed in solid coverage. That will translate to the NFL. No. 2 might be a little high based on pure physical attributes, but if we did pick him there, I'd rock with it.

Basically every pick is a toss-up gamble anyways.

I'm jacked up for 4/25/2024 though. I liked our FA. If we can come out of our 1st 3 picks with a QB/OT/Misc., I'm good to go.[/quote]

They literally went halves without throwing the ball at times, for me its Daniels and Maye, I would be shocked if the pick was anyone else at #2.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;1360632]They literally went halves without throwing the ball at times, for me its Daniels and Maye, I would be shocked if the pick was anyone else at #2.[/quote]Yes agree. Maye has all the tools. Love the fact that he's tall, great arm and can run. Nearly impossible to find a qb with that combination. Like Daniels also, but size and arm strength worry me. Great, quick release though and lethal runner.

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This QB draft class better end up being top 5 of all time with the hype all of these dudes are getting. It shows you how BAD the NFL is right now with QB play

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Exactly what was the point of this thread that isn't already discussed in multiply threads?

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1360612]I don't care who they pick. If they like JJ - fine, but take him at #2. If you think he's the franchise guy over Maye or Daniels - no reason to play games and trade back thinking you could get him elsewhere in the top 10 or wherever they would end up.

[B]I think it will be Maye or Daniels at #2 though. I just don't know which one they want, and that's a good thing.[/B][/quote]

what i love just LOVE to see is when we pick whomever it is I want see the faces of the new england draft war room; i love to see if they are disappointed with whom we picked or excited we missed on their guy

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[QUOTE=WCommandersfan99;1360633]Yes agree. Maye has all the tools. Love the fact that he's tall, great arm and can run. Nearly impossible to find a qb with that combination. Like Daniels also, but size and arm strength worry me. Great, quick release though and lethal runner.[/QUOTE]


Daniels has great deep ball accuracy but apparently struggles with zip on the ball on shorter throws. Not sure it is arm strength as much as confidence when he has to make a decision with a tight window.

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[QUOTE=mredskins;1360646]Exactly what was the point of this thread that isn't already discussed in multiply threads?[/QUOTE]


This thread is solely about the number two pick, or who our future quarterback will be.

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[quote=punch it in;1360649]This thread is solely about the number two pick, or who our future quarterback will be.[/quote]

oh ok i must have missed the subtitle

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[quote=punch it in;1360648]Daniels has great deep ball accuracy but apparently struggles with zip on the ball on shorter throws. Not sure it is arm strength as much as confidence when he has to make a decision with a tight window.[/quote]His release is so quick and seems to always make the right decision. He's also difficult to sack and an incredible playmaker. Just feel his upside is way too high. Like Maye also but prefer Daniels. Maye takes noticeably longer to get rid of the ball. His arm is stronger than Daniels but not Josh Allen strong, etc.

Give me Jayden Daniels! Kid is a star.

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[quote=WCommandersfan99;1360655]His release is so quick and seems to always make the right decision. He's also difficult to sack and an incredible playmaker. Just feel his upside is way too high. Like Maye also but prefer Daniels. Maye takes noticeably longer to get rid of the ball. His arm is stronger than Daniels but not Josh Allen strong, etc.

[B]Give me Jayden Daniels! Kid is a star.[/B][/quote]

same, LFG!

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One another thing about Daniels is his deep ball accuracy. Just watch his highlights. Kid just throws dime after dime with precision. His arm is not elite but good enough for sure. No way I'm taking Maye over this kid. Daniels killed it in the SEC last year also with tons of experience. He's also been durable despite his style of play and even playing in the rugged SEC.

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[quote=WCommandersfan99;1360657]One another thing about Daniels is his deep ball accuracy. Just watch his highlights. Kid just throws dime after dime with precision. His arm is not elite but good enough for sure. No way I'm taking Maye over this kid. Daniels killed it in the SEC last year also with tons of experience. He's also been durable despite his style of play and [B]even playing in the rugged SEC.[/B][/quote]

i keep saying the kid plays in the SEC a big time football division unlike USC and UNC

Look at the 2018 draft class; it should have been lamar / allen picks one and two

its all a gamble, even CW is a gamble, he may be the biggest gamble because if he doesn't pan out and CHI sat on trades and got rid of fields, man that is alot of egg on their face

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JD is an ELITE Passer , his accuarcy deep and mid is insane. The issue with him is his size at the next level. If he was Maye's size he would be considered #1 pick material

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I'm on the Jayden Daniels bandwagon too. I think he will cement himself as our choice at his pro day. This young man is all about hard work and self improvement so I believe he'll show up weighing 200 pounds, run a 4.5 forty, make every throw in the NFL playbook and ace every interaction with the coaches and the Press. His ceiling as an NFL QB is sky high IMO.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1360660]JD is an ELITE Passer , his accuarcy deep and mid is insane. The issue with him is his size at the next level. If he was Maye's size he would be considered #1 pick material[/quote]Daniels is 6'4" and 210 lbs. The height is there for sure as he would enter the league taller than most NFL qbs my a small margin. He's not huge but big enough. Any pick is a risk but this kid is an absolute playmaker and has been doing it for a long time. The SEC is the closest thing to the NFL, especially defensively, and Daniels slayed it. We don't need to overanalyze this. Take Daniels at 2.

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[quote=WCommandersfan99;1360662]Daniels is 6'4" and 210 lbs. The height is there for sure as he entered the league taller than most NFL qbs my a small margin. He's not huge but big enough. Any pick is a risk but this kid is an absolute playmaker and has been doing it for a long time. The SEC is the closest thing to the NFL, especially defensively, and Daniels slayed. We don't need to overanalyze this. Take Daniels at 2.[/quote]

Agree hes the safest pick from the QBs in the draft IMO

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1360663]Agree hes the safest pick from the QBs in the draft IMO[/quote]

i take him over CW

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[quote=WCommandersfan99;1360662]Daniels is 6'4" and 210 lbs. The height is there for sure as he would enter the league taller than most NFL qbs my a small margin. He's not huge but big enough. Any pick is a risk but this kid is an absolute playmaker and has been doing it for a long time. The SEC is the closest thing to the NFL, especially defensively, and Daniels slayed it. We don't need to overanalyze this. Take Daniels at 2.[/quote]

I would hardly call 1 season a long time, and he had the best OLine and recieving core in the SEC, helps tremendously when you have all day to throw to open receivers..... the draft is all about hype and large numbers of people are buying hype wrt Daniels. If our FO see through that and still pick him then great, but there are a lot of fans convinced that he is great that will complaining for the next three years if they pick someone else.

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[quote=EdmundDorf;1360665]I would hardly call 1 season a long time, and he had the best OLine and recieving core in the SEC, helps tremendously when you have all day to throw to open receivers..... the draft is all about hype and large numbers of people are buying hype wrt Daniels. If our FO see through that and still pick him then great, but there are a lot of fans convinced that he is great that will complaining for the next three years if they pick someone else.[/quote]

Thats why film is so important and his is legit. I like Maye alot too so I'm not mad at either.. Now if they take JJ at 2 then I'll be concerned

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The whole QB prediction thing is overdone - the reality is that every expert and pundit has his or her views about the strengths and weaknesses of each of the top candidates but no one can predict how they’ll fare at the next level. The draft is enough of a crapshoot and so much depends on what these guys do when they get to the NFL. The same QB guru coached Tom Brady and JaMarcus Russell and said that Russell had the better physical gifts by far. And we know how that turned out.

I trust Peters and co. to get it right and really hope they do. But I won’t think they’re frauds if they don’t. I do want them to have contingencies, as the 9ers did with Purdy, and I suspect that they will. And MM isn’t that contingency.


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[quote=EdmundDorf;1360665]I would hardly call 1 season a long time.[/quote]He's been playing big time college football for 5 years. Not sure what you're referring to with 1 season. I like the experience here a lot and the confidence factor. Yes his personnel was stacked, but he was the catalyst to say the least. His accuracy, fast decision making, and lightning quick release make this go. Nabers can thank Daniels bigtime next month when he gets drafted very high.


[url]https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/jayden-daniels-1.html[/url]

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[quote=WCommandersfan99;1360687]He's been playing big time college football for 5 years. Not sure what you're referring to with 1 season. I like the experience here a lot and the confidence factor. Yes his personnel was stacked, but he was the catalyst to say the least. His accuracy, fast decision making, and lightning quick release make this go. Nabers can thank Daniels bigtime next month when he gets drafted very high.


[url]https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/jayden-daniels-1.html[/url][/quote]

Yes he has been playing 5 years, but didn't have a break out campaign until this year. 4 years very meh, but that experience can go a long way in year 5 especially with the personnel he had.

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55 total College games, and almost half of those against SEC opponents - when he was arguably playing his best.

I don't know if he's the guy, but he is impressive.

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[quote=EdmundDorf;1360688]Yes he has been playing 5 years, but didn't have a break out campaign until this year. 4 years very meh, but that experience can go a long way in year 5 especially with the personnel he had.[/quote]He beat Alabama in 2022 throwing for around 3,000 yds, nearly 70% completion, and minimal picks. He also had a lot of yards at ASU and production prior to going to LSU. These weren't Heisman numbers like 2023 but still very good seasons. The offenses seem to always go and produce yards and points when he is under center.

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For me, just not Daniels please. Not because I don't think he'll be awesome, but because I fear he'll only be awesome for like 2 years. He's just too small for the NFL in my opinion.

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[quote=simbosargos75;1360696]For me, just not Daniels please. Not because I don't think he'll be awesome, but because I fear he'll only be awesome for like 2 years. He's just too small for the NFL in my opinion.[/quote]

He is listed at 6'4" 210lb . . .while not heavy, the height is great and he can add 10 - 20 pounds and still remain fast at that height.

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At this point, you're either fine w/ his weight or not drafting him because of it. Don't think many minds will change one way or another between now and April 25th.

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Patrick Mahomes has proven winning Super Bowls now is about being a playmaker more than ever at qb. The man already has 3 rings at a pretty young age with a lot of different receiver combinations. Mahomes is the primary reason for their success because he makes plays. All 3 of his Super Bowls he came back from a double digit deficit when a legitimate argument could be made that the other teams (49ers, Eagles) were the better team. Mahomes made the plays though and won the SBs for his Chiefs.

Jayden Daniels and Caleb Williams are the best playmakers in this draft and have unique skillsets that win games. I'm not saying they're Mahomes, but they make plays. Daniels production in big boy SEC football was incredible in that rough conference. Yes he may get hurt but he really hasn't yet. Maye or any other of these qbs can get hurt also. Unfair to say he can get hurt because he's fast or not as heavy as other qbs.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1360698]At this point, you're either fine w/ his weight or not drafting him because of it. Don't think many minds will change one way or another between now and April 25th.[/quote]

height wise his is prototypical at 6'4" . . . its his weight people are worried about.

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tried to show hi lites of Maye and Daniels .. not sure why it's not working ..

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[QUOTE=simbosargos75;1360696]For me, just not Daniels please. Not because I don't think he'll be awesome, but because I fear he'll only be awesome for like 2 years. He's just too small for the NFL in my opinion.[/QUOTE]


Harold Carmichael.

Staubach was 6-3 200 pounds and ran all over the place. Tarkenton was 6-0 190. Russ aint exactly big and jacked.

So many variables- oline play, play calling, keeping your head on a swivel when you take off, knowing when and how to get outta bounds or slide.

I think like any other kid outta college he can add 10-15 pounds.

You can get hurt standing in the pocket and getting blindsided from behind just as easily as you can running.

Edit Randall Cunningham not Harold Carmichael. Lol

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[quote=SkinsGuru;1360697]He is listed at 6'4" 210lb . . .while not heavy, the height is great and he can add 10 - 20 pounds and still remain fast at that height.[/quote]

going throw a name out there

Randall Cunningham; playing heaight and weight 6-4 214 ilbs

had i say a pretty good career and played at a time when QBs were not so protected by the rules

JD ends up like Randall i be pretty happy with that pick