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How many yards will he rush for in 2005?

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I say 1500 +. With Jansen back and the signing of Casey Rabach our line should be solid. Plus with Gibbs implementing more stretch/zone blocking plays.....that alone will up his average to more than 4 yards a pop.

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1754, and you can take that to Vegas, baby!

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1300-1500. The more relevant stat is how many TDs will he get.

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1925 id stake my reputation on it.

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[QUOTE=aehs77]1925 id stake my reputation on it.[/QUOTE]

Oh, dear, must be a Democrat....JK

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I say 1500+ or really close to it.

The offensive line should be much improved, but more importantly the passing game should be improved.

Daseal, unless you're concerned about fantasy stats why does his TDs matter?

With the two FBs we took in the draft and a possible heavier workload for Betts, I wouldn't be surprised to see less of Portis in goal line situations.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]Daseal, unless you're concerned about fantasy stats why does his TDs matter?[/QUOTE]


last time I checked, highest score wins a football game, not most total yardage. yeah big yards from portis will help control the game and the tempo and should lead to long drives, but I'll take 1300 yards and 13 touchdowns over 1600 and 7.

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i think he get 1500+ this year because basically our line is better than denver's line this year. with the speedy receivers we have now you have to keep that box from being crowded like it was last year. which means lbs against portis in the open field lace up your shoes because it will be a track meet.

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[QUOTE=Ron Burgundy and Gold]last time I checked, highest score wins a football game, not most total yardage. yeah big yards from portis will help control the game and the tempo and should lead to long drives, but I'll take 1300 yards and 13 touchdowns over 1600 and 7.[/QUOTE]

True but what I'm saying is who cares if it's Portis or someone else who gets the TDs?

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Portis wont be getting the short yardage TD's. Thats Why we drafted those big full-backs. He'll end up with 7 or 8.

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I'm going with 1500+, he ALMOST got there last year and was injured for one of those games. Not to mention the patchwork offensive line, new coaching staff with a whole new philosophy to learn AND playing against the Steelers and Eagles defenses more than once.

I say 1500+ easily.

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1500+..........with absolutely zero doubt in my mind. It's all been said already. Healthier o-line (Jansen), improved o-line (Rabach), second year with Bugel as o-line coach, second year under Gibbs (more productive offense.....better play calling), Ramsey as the QB, and speedier WRs.
Most importantly, I think he gets those 1500+ yards with a much higher YPC (I'll throw out 4.8 as a guess).

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Portis would have gotten to 1500 this past year with an offensive line that wasn't the best in the league and with Portis not playing the last couple of games. If blocking is improved at least a little bit...you'll see Portis easily going over 1500 yards.

It doesn't matter how many TDs Portis scores...I believe his TDs will come off of receiving out of the backfield and breaking some long runs....the majority of goal line or red zone TDs will probably be scored by Cooley.

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I agree. Portis also showed he had some great hands. I can see him being "our" Westbrook. He had some huge gains after the catch last year. We just have to get him in the open field, that's where he is most dangerous.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]True but what I'm saying is who cares if it's Portis or someone else who gets the TDs?[/QUOTE]

hm yeah I agree with that, but I'd like to see Clinton get some breakaway TD's like the first carry of the season last year, I mean 63 yard touchdown runs arent very common but with his skill he should be able to break off 30 and 40 yard touchdown runs, help stretch the offense out, help the verticality of the offense by drawing more defenders into the box and opening up play action routes. I think it's a very telling sign of our offense that he only ran for 5 last year, I expect him to double that this year.

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IF he's not injured, I'd say he'll get somewhere around 1500 yards.

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Not only do I love Portis' running game, but he's a good pass catcher (as has been pointed out) and he's a damn good blocker - especially for his size.

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In one of the highlight films posted on this site, it shows him making a HELL of a block...

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1500 + I'll say he gets 1821 yards. Not a yard less and not a yard more. ;) :httr:

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If he got 1300 with last year's offense, I gotta go with 1500 plus. Imagine if we can actually PASS the ball so other teams can't stack the line? I also expect the average to go way up--if we get the passing game going and force teams to back off, Clinton is going to break a few. He can fly. Remeber, he had a "down year" at 1300!

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I like the fact that the whole notion he was a "system back" is finally gone. He proved last year he still has what he had in Denver.

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[quote]I like the fact that the whole notion he was a "system back" is finally gone[/quote]
I don't think it is gone. We're implimenting a more denver-esque system, which caters to his forte. However, there's nothing wrong with being a system back. John Riggins wasn't going to be a real slasher and cutter for you. He probably wasn't bright enough to find a hole on his own. So pointing and saying run that way was probably the only system he could really excel in.

I don't think the rookie special team players will get as many snaps at RB as most. I think we're going to try to keep Clinton in the game. Last year Portis hardly got any TDs. Hell, he mighta had more TDs called back than he scored! I have a feeling we may put these guys in as blocking fullbacks and he's going to carry the ball. The problem is rarely do we ever throw in the Redzone, so if Portis ain't scoring, prolly means the rest of the team isn't either.

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okay lets see. i would say 1500 yards or more based on what he got last season. we had a number of o-line injuries, not to mention the spotty play of our center, and he still rushed for over 1300 yards. provided the 0-line doesn't get injured again, i don't see why he wouldn't be able to get 1500.

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[QUOTE=Daseal]I don't think it is gone. We're implimenting a more denver-esque system, which caters to his forte. However, there's nothing wrong with being a system back. John Riggins wasn't going to be a real slasher and cutter for you. He probably wasn't bright enough to find a hole on his own. So pointing and saying run that way was probably the only system he could really excel in.

I don't think the rookie special team players will get as many snaps at RB as most. I think we're going to try to keep Clinton in the game. Last year Portis hardly got any TDs. Hell, he mighta had more TDs called back than he scored! I have a feeling we may put these guys in as blocking fullbacks and he's going to carry the ball. The problem is rarely do we ever throw in the Redzone, so if Portis ain't scoring, prolly means the rest of the team isn't either.[/QUOTE]

Very true. Let me rephrase in that I think he is getting away from the idea that his talent was due to the system rather than the system amplified his talent.

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It's crazy not to say that Denver can take an average back and make him look good. They took Portis, who's among the top 5 backs in the league, and made him look like Barry Sanders. As MC said, the system simply amplified Portis' talents.

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Yeah, I don't doubt that either and honestly I think Reuben Droughns will be a bust for Cleveland.

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1300 yards for Betts...

Just kidding with Betts. I would say portis will get about as many yards as last year. Hopefully, it will be with less carries though and a higher YPC. And a higher YPC average will make for more success through the air.

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I'd go for that. I just feel like he'll have more yards because we are a running/ball-control team.

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I think that Gibbs will want to prove that he can get 1500 yards out of Portis just to prove he's as good as Shanahan.

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[QUOTE=GoSkins!]I think that Gibbs will want to prove that he can get 1500 yards out of Portis just to prove he's as good as Shanahan.[/QUOTE]
I think Gibbs' 3 rings to Shanahan's 2 proves he's better.

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I think Portis will rush for over 1500 yards this year. Hell I think he might even set some career bests for rushing this season. He is going to have a better passing game, there is no way it could be as bad as it was last year. That will immetiatley open up some more run for him to room. The offensive line is going to be improved from last year, so that should help him alot as well. I think the fact that we are going to run (allegedly) more stretch plays, will really benifit him too. I think if he ran for 1300+ last season, he will easily surpass 1500 barring injury.

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[QUOTE=Daseal]I don't think it is gone. We're implimenting a more denver-esque system, which caters to his forte. However, there's nothing wrong with being a system back. John Riggins wasn't going to be a real slasher and cutter for you. He probably wasn't bright enough to find a hole on his own. So pointing and saying run that way was probably the only system he could really excel in.

I don't think the rookie special team players will get as many snaps at RB as most. I think we're going to try to keep Clinton in the game. Last year Portis hardly got any TDs. Hell, he mighta had more TDs called back than he scored! I have a feeling we may put these guys in as blocking fullbacks and he's going to carry the ball. The problem is rarely do we ever throw in the Redzone, so if Portis ain't scoring, prolly means the rest of the team isn't either.[/QUOTE]

Say what you will about Riggo, but he loved the game and wanted to win, and hey it took him all the way to the Hall Of Fame ;)

Yes, we were just AWFUL in the RedZone last year, hopefully we will improve in that area next year. Cooley was one of our few bright spots near the goalline with his 6 TDs.

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Yes, loved the game so much he only came back because he was broke and bored, right? Name one player who doesn't want to win. Who sits back and says "Man, I hope we lose on Sunday!"

Riggo wasn't a bright guy (still isn't suprisingly enough) he's like Trotter. You tell him to hit the QB, or if he gives it to a guy with another number, hit him instead.

If the passing game improves a bit, so will Portis. It all hinges on a new offensive philosophy and Ramsey making plays.

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it all depends on how much more often they utilize zone blocking and even run him on some draws and delays.

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Daseal,

You are correct on Portis' continued success hinging on how well our passing will be this year, but don't expect a whole new offensive philosophy, but an expansion on what we were doing toward the end of this past season. We should definitely open the offense up a little more, but I expect the "O" will be heavily dependent on our running game once more.

If our passing game and our receivers excell this year - then I expect it to look very similar to what we were doing toward the late 80's and early 90's.

I have to say though with the debate on Riggo...you may hate the guy, but if it wasn't for John Riggins, we probably would not have been Super Bowl champions in 1982! He's a Hall of Fame guy.

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[QUOTE=skinsguy]Daseal, I have to say though with the debate on Riggo...you may hate the guy, but if it wasn't for John Riggins, we probably would not have been Super Bowl champions in 1982! He's a Hall of Fame guy.[/QUOTE]

Amen :headbange:

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I have to say that I hope Gibbs totally revamps his offense ... and doesn't just try to do what he did towards the end of the season. During the draft coverage on ESPN, Jansen said that Gibbs was running a 1992 offense (he didn't mean it in a disparaging way) and he was right. I'm glad that Gibbs says the offense will look very different next season - i.e. Gibbs' is going to emphasize downfield throwing, zone blocking, stretch plays, the shotgun, etc. That sounds like a completely different offense and I'm glad for it.

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Me too. I'm sure that Gibbs new that he couldn't completely redo the offense during the season and we saw that the few changes he made LATER in the season seemed to work just fine.

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Anyone else finding it odd that Gibbs is openly talking about these changes-shotgun, zone blocking? The Gibbs I remember would keep things close to the vest and then unleash it when the time is right.