Pats looking to trade picks for Taylor
 

There are reports out of Boston that the Pats will trade their 2 first-rounders, a second rounder and a fourth rounder for the Lions #6 pick and a fourth rounder, all contingent on Taylor still being there at #6.

Look here:[URL]http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patriots/articles/2004/04/01/patriots_hitch_up_traylor_and_prepare_to_move/[/URL]

Now, I'm sure they made this offer to us, or something close, given that we have no 4th rounder. (If they want Taylor, we're the ones holding the cards, as least as far as the Lions are concerned.)

Question: Should we take it?

It's a deep draft, so lots of picks would help. But getting a real impact player is rare. Hmmmm.

Hell yes we should take that. We can jus turn around, send those two first rounders right back to Detroit and get Kellen Winslow II. I'm HUGE on taylor, but two first rounders a second and a fourth would be a little much to pass up. I'd be happy just taking Taylor too.

Go for it!!
 

:thumb: I think we for sure have to trade, if the trade comes our way. Then we could move up by trading the two first and get a good player and have 2 two extra picks.

I don't think we should take that deal.. We NEED an impact player on defense more than multiple picks.. I advocated trading next year's # 1 for one of NE's picks if Will Smith or Udeze fell that far but I don't think such an impact player like Taylor will be available later in the 1st round.. We'd be looking at someone like Ben Troupe, Antwan Odom or Sean Jones in the bottom of the 1st round. Taylor is supposed to be a sure fire perennial Pro Bowl type player.. I don't see how we can pass him up..

I want Taylor as much as the next guy, but if you pass up on all those picks...you are foolish. GManc has the right idea, take those 2 1'st rounders, trade them back to Detroit adn grab Winslow and you know have a couple extra picks to boot....

I'm with you Paintrain- I tend to lean towards keeping the pick and getting an impact player, b/c we can't just assume that we'll be able to find a trade partner for those two late first rounders, can we? But, IF we could make the trade with NE and then already have someone willing to take the 2 #1's so we could move back up and take Winslow (and keep the second rounder we got from NE), I would be for that. But I want to see us come out of this draft with either Taylor or Winslow- preferably Taylor!

If we're offered something similar to that I'd jump all over it. Two first rounders and a second?! Wow, where can I sign up?

yeah 4 picks, including 2 1st and 1 2nd, for one pick would be awesome and I like the idea of then trading those picks to detroit to pick up winslow. maybe we could then use the 2nd gained along with trotter to move into the late first round and pick up J. Grove or the best d-lineman available. this definitely seems like a scenario Gibbs might accept as I would think he'd be more interested in filling multiple holes rather than only one.

Take it, no question. Then take one of the firsts and offer to add in Gardener or Trotter to get back to the #6 pick. How about that?

[QUOTE=JoeGibbsIsBack]Take it, no question. Then take one of the firsts and offer to add in Gardener or Trotter to get back to the #6 pick. How about that?[/QUOTE]

that'd be even better since it'd allow us to keep on of the 1st rounders to get a d-lineman or grove.

I don't understand. Why would the trade mention Detroit and not us?

Are they so certain that we'll pass on Sean Taylor?

Hasn't Joe Gibbs already said publicly that we would trade the #5 if the deal was sweet enough?

Am I missing something here? Wouldn't New England want to deal with the team that has the better chance to land Taylor?

For the record, I would take the trade. Taylor is supposed to be good, but hell, who knows? The "experts" were pretty high on Mike Rumph too!

Why not bait the #5 for Taylor, I for one am happy with Ohalate

First off thier is no guarentee that detroit would swap with us, as well we would be getting to late #1's unless we are looking at D-linemen we won't be able to get a high impact player, there is a reason that 1 of the very elite defensive coaches want's taylor and is willing to give up so much, especially when they need a RB and line help, they know taylor is the real deal, I am not giving that up unless the deal will net me winslow, a big D-tackle, and another player.

The Pats have released a statement on their web site saying the Lions contacted them but no deal has been struck. Does that mean other teams have inquired? Possibly the Redskins have entered the mix.

[QUOTE=JoeGibbsIsBack]The Pats have released a statement on their web site saying the Lions contacted them but no deal has been struck. Does that mean other teams have inquired? Possibly the Redskins have entered the mix.[/QUOTE]

Interesting, sound's like detroit's #6 pick can be had, I say we stick with taylor then do what we have to do to get detroit's pick and grab winslow.

Some fine print you guys did not notice in this rumor article - The Lions would also give The Pat's their 4th round pick in 2004 as well as the 6th pick. Last time I checked, we do not have a 4th round pick. We have a 5th and a 6th round pick.
This is the same type of rumor as yesterdays Raiders 1st pick to Redskins...a bunch of chit!

You want a rumor? how about this one from: [url]http://www.profootballtalk.com/rumormill.htm[/url]

In short:1st (#3), 2nd and 3rd in 2004
1st and 3rd in 2005
2nd and 3rd in 2006
Calvin Pace
Gerald Hayes

all for one Randy Moss.

[QUOTE=JoeGibbsIsBack]You want a rumor? how about this one from: [url]http://www.profootballtalk.com/rumormill.htm[/url]

In short:1st (#3), 2nd and 3rd in 2004
1st and 3rd in 2005
2nd and 3rd in 2006
Calvin Pace
Gerald Hayes

all for one Randy Moss.[/QUOTE]

Wow.. and Barry Sanders 'un-retires" to the Ravens? LaVar has dropped his grievance? Postons named by NFL owners as Agents of the Year!

Now that's some April Fool's joke!

[QUOTE=offiss]Interesting, sound's like detroit's #6 pick can be had, I say we stick with taylor then do what we have to do to get detroit's pick and grab winslow.[/QUOTE]

Music to my ears...... :httr:

[QUOTE=offiss]Interesting, sound's like detroit's #6 pick can be had, I say we stick with taylor then do what we have to do to get detroit's pick and grab winslow.[/QUOTE]

Let's say we get a 2nd for Gardner. Is Trotter, the 2nd and maybe next year's 1st too much for the Lions' 1st this year and maybe another mid-to late round pick?

I'd say no thanks!

Taylor or Winslow are just too good to pass up. Sure, we get two low first round picks (the 2nd is practically a 2nd rounder) and a second rounder where we will find mediocre talent. I'd rather fill a hole for 10 years with an impact player!

IF... I repeat .. IF that deal offer is true... and we get it instead of Detroit... for some reason I just don't see it... BUT

If so... I'd KEEP the 21st and 32nd picks and use the 21st on either Randy Starks, Will Smith, Vince Wilfork or Ben Troupe (whichever is still there)... and the 32nd on Jake Grove (or Troupe)

Grove is the best Center to come out in a WHILE and he would REALLY be the Jeff Bostic to this new group of HOGS. (I heard a rumor that Bugel really liked what he saw when scouting him.) It would allow us to let Larry Moore go... freeing up cap-space.

Starks, in my opinion, could be the steal of this draft. He is a STUD. Wilfork can plug an interior line all by himself a-la Gilbert Borwn and Ted Washington, only he is MUCH MUCH MUCH quicker than both. Will Smith has 10-15 sack potential and Troupe could be the Ben Coates, Keith Jackson. Jay Novacek compared to Winlsow being more Shockey... which makes me JUST as happy at the least.

Then in the second, we could take Boulware the LB and we are SET!

Of course... I just don't see the Pats giving all that up for one guy, seeing as how the team is set up to have no "superstars" .. just guys playing together, BUT .... I hope it works out....

[QUOTE=Gmanc711]Hell yes we should take that. We can jus turn around, send those two first rounders right back to Detroit and get Kellen Winslow II. I'm HUGE on taylor, but two first rounders a second and a fourth would be a little much to pass up. I'd be happy just taking Taylor too.[/QUOTE]
No Kidding!

[QUOTE=smootsmack]Let's say we get a 2nd for Gardner. Is Trotter, the 2nd and maybe next year's 1st too much for the Lions' 1st this year and maybe another mid-to late round pick?[/QUOTE]

I am starting to get off the winslow band wagon as I talk about in a new thread, but if detroit would give up the #6 pick for trotter, gardner, and our #1 next year I would make that trade in a heartbeat, the problem is I think we would have to sweetin the pot a bit, probably 1 more pick might do it, and I say it would still be worth it, I just don't know if winslow will really fit in, charactor is the biggest factor when gibb's look's at a player, and that's the biggest problem when you look at winslow, Gibb's just doesn't want player's who stay out of serious trouble, he want's guy's who are real quality people, player's with big heart's on and off the field, the more I think about it the more I pull back from the thought of taking winslow. but I still say taylor is the man!

Take the trade if it's there. It's not like we have spare picks cluttering up the war room. Besides, we can always sign Taylor when he becomes a free agent if 4 or 5 years time!! :laughing-