At least they threw downfield!
 

Yeah, there was a bad pass that turned into an INT and a couple incompletions, but for much of last year, the big gripe was that they didn't even seem to TRY to go deep (even though Gibbs claimed the plays were called, but the QB checked down or didn't have time).

With a little time and work, this offense could be pretty decent. Remember, Portis only ran the ball one time and Betts only a few. I am still very optimistic to see what they could do with a real gameplan. Ramsey just needs to calm down and get into a real rhythm.

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[QUOTE=SkinsRock]Yeah, there was a bad pass that turned into an INT and a couple incompletions, but for much of last year, the big gripe was that they didn't even seem to TRY to go deep (even though Gibbs claimed the plays were called, but the QB checked down or didn't have time).

With a little time and work, this offense could be pretty decent. Remember, Portis only ran the ball one time and Betts only a few. I am still very optimistic to see what they could do with a real gameplan. Ramsey just needs to calm down and get into a real rhythm.[/QUOTE]

Exactly. Finally someone on here who isn't jumping ship and calling for Gibbs' and Ramsey's head. Preseason is nothing like regular season. The players know it and the coaches know it. I'd love to lose almost every preseason game we play and win 10 games in the regular season. It has happened before... who was the coach of that team again...?

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Admittedly, Ramsey looked shaky. He still has three more games to get it together. The O line looked great though, I thought.

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i'm glad the oline was able to jump up from its piss poor performance at last weeks scrimmage to being great tonight.

lets hope the passing game can do the same.

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We really can't get to worked up about that Ravens game, I saw highlights tonight and they are bringing everything but the kitchen sink on every play, team's right now are looking at personel and fine tuning, the Ravens are playing defense like it's the super bowl and they still lost.

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the line was amazing, against one of the top 3 d-lines in the NFL. dockery owned Jenkins, really dockery did great and portis hit a great block during the game, that is a dominate line and we did a dominating preformance. We are run first and i am really happy about our line.

HAIL TO THE REDSKINS AND HAIL O-LINE
HAIL YEAH

i said we had to look at the middle 6 Ramsey and his boys, well his boys did good........

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[QUOTE=BigSKINBauer]the line was amazing, against one of <a href='http://67.15.154.58/cmapp/zx-hclick.php?hid=2' target='_blank'>the</a> top 3 d-lines in <a href='http://67.15.154.58/cmapp/zx-hclick.php?hid=2' target='_blank'>the</a> NFL. dockery owned Jenkins, really dockery did great and portis hit a great block during <a href='http://67.15.154.58/cmapp/zx-hclick.php?hid=2' target='_blank'>the</a> game, that is a dominate line and we did a dominating preformance. We are run first and i am really happy about our line.

HAIL TO <a href='http://67.15.154.58/cmapp/zx-hclick.php?hid=2' target='_blank'>the</a> REDSKINS AND HAIL O-LINE
HAIL YEAH

i said we had to look at <a href='http://67.15.154.58/cmapp/zx-hclick.php?hid=2' target='_blank'>the</a> middle 6 Ramsey and his boys, well his boys did good........[/QUOTE]


BSB, Dockery had a good night? That's excellent news, Jenkins is a monster in there, I didn't see much in the way of highlights.

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Dockery thew Jenkins on the ground like a rag doll. I too was impressed with how our O-line played tonight, but the Jaguars didn't really blitz too much. I like to see how they well they pick up blitzs.

Also, I agree that tonight was Ramsey's first preseason game. But, he did not show ANY improvements after all those practices. He overthrew Patten couple of times when he was wide open, he's still throwing those check-down passes to RB's for 5 yards when we need 8 yds for first down. I've been supporting Ramsey for several years now, it's time for him to start performing.

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if you dont play well in practice and you dont play well in preseason, you're probalby not going to play well in the regular season.

remember its preseason for the other team too.

i dont care what the final score was, it is only preseason. but the short passes are pissing me off. moss 3 yard catch on 3rd and 4. dump passes to backs.
they are all great plays at certain times but that cant be our offence. 1 token deep ball a game just doesnt do it. this is getting scary.

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The screens looked good. AND they worked.

This is something they did not do last year and with Portis, these could really help to exploit blitzing defenses. Good job to Musgrave to help implement this and the shotgun.

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Remember, last week the line looked terrible. Pass protection was awful and everyone was saying how bad our line might really be.

Guess what? When they prepared to protect against a blitzing team that could actually put thier hands on our QB, they did great.

Now, Gibbs has no reason to show his best passing plays in preseason. He will be showing watered down versions of the ones that need the most work. No need to practice hitting Cooley in the flat. We know Ramsey can do that. That said, Ramsey missed 4 passes. The ones short of first downs are also attributable to the guys running the routes. That is something that can be fixd through coaching.

Penalties were few (except with the third stringers on the goal line) so that is another positive. Also, when the panthers did blitz, Ramsey checked off to the correct receiver and beat it every time.

Lets see what we fix from this game in the next one.

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[QUOTE=offiss]We really can't get to worked up about that Ravens game, I saw highlights tonight and they are bringing everything but the kitchen sink on every play, team's right now are looking at personel and fine tuning, the Ravens are playing defense like it's the super bowl and they still lost.[/QUOTE] Thats there defense, the 46 which requires alot of blitz. They are just playing there base defense. As were the Skins, in fact I saw them blitz the corners a few times even do the double corner blitz, and they still lost. I think they were just seeing what personnel can do what, therefore vanilla is out the door.

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[QUOTE=GoSkins!]The screens looked good. AND they worked.

This is something they did not do last year and with Portis, these could really help to exploit blitzing defenses. Good job to Musgrave to help implement this and the shotgun.[/QUOTE] Yes before they would never run the screens but at least 3 in the game must be a record for Joe Gibbs. They worked and ran great.

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ramsey and brunell looked pretty comfortable using the shotgun. the offensive line (1st & 2nd string) looked really good.

the defense didn't look as good as last year but i didn't expect them to, they were missing way to many starters. taylor is really in the dog house, he didn't play with the first team but was forced to play with the second and he was on the field for a long time.

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The shotgun look great I thought. No bad snaps.

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I noticed bits and pieces so we still have much to improve on. We have three more pre-season games to establish some form of consistency in combining all three aspects of the game, offence, defence, special teams. We really didn't show well in any particular area last night. Still a bit concerned about the downfield passing game but it's early yet and we still have time. We "must" establish consistency in drives that produce points as opposed to a few plays and punt.

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Nice to hear about Dockery throwing Jenkins around a bit.

How often did they use the shotgun?

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Holy cow! I didn't get a chance to see the game being in Connecticut, but Didn't we just put up 3 points in the first half off a blocked field goal? What are we talking about here??? It is great that the line played better but we need to score points! I mean normally I am very optomistic, but after the offseason we had and getting smaller and faster wideouts we were a little anemic in this game. We are going to have to make some HUGE strides to be good this year. I understand it is the first game, but we had our starters in all of the first half and we could not score on their second string? Did anyone watch the game I saw the highlights of???

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As bad as Ramsey looked, I was happy to see the 3 WR set and the screens were great. The O-line did do a great job of giving Ramsey time, but for some reason he still had "happy feet" in the pocket. He never planted his feet when he did throw, and before he even got pressured it seemed like he had a hard time making a decision on who to throw to. Maybe the Panthers were running a soft coverage, but still Ramsey looked like a rookie back there.

Speaking of rookies, Nemo Broughton was probably the biggest highlight of the game. The guy is straight up a downhill runner, and he has decent speed for a guy that weighs 250. He will help us out tremendously on short yardage and goaline situations. Another rookie that stood out was Campbell. He showed great poise in the pocket and did a great job of making quick decisions. I only wish that we could see him with the 2nd team receivers instead of the guys that won't be here come week 1. But so far Campbell has impressed me, and for now it seems like Gibbs has found his QB for the future. It looks like the time off last year recharged Brunells batteries (especially his arm). He did a great a job of scanning the field and reading the defense, and at one point I saw throw a rope to McCants (WOW!!).

The defense was leaky, but then again we were missing 9 quality players. Delhomme and Weinke had all the time in the world to make plays which was dissapointing. But the run defense was decent. What stood out to me was the poor tackling and poor coverage downfield. I'm sorry to AJFC, but the ADE HAS TO GO. Seriously, he gets burned almost all the time and he's probably the worst tackler on the team.

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On a positive note Campbell looked very composed and comfortable.

I'm just saying.......

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I agree that it's great news about the O-line, but let's not get carried away here--the vertical passing game, which is crucial to the success of the team, was not there. So we still don't know about that, and it's the biggest question mark we have.

I do think it all starts with the O-line, and that if they can give PR time to throw, he'll get the vertical game going, but until I see it (and until it puts points up on the board), I am going to withhold judgment.

It's the first preseason game--we can't read too much negative in it, but by the same token, we can't read too much positive in either. Gotta be realistic here--keep an even keel and improve week-to-week.

(PS Nice to hear about Dockery--but the knock on him is consistency. Can he keep it going for a full game, and a full season? If he does, we are going to have a serious O-line.)

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[QUOTE=Redskins_P]As bad as Ramsey looked, I was happy to see the 3 WR set and the screens were great. The O-line did do a great job of giving Ramsey time, but for some reason he still had "happy feet" in the pocket. He never planted his feet when he did throw, and before he even got pressured it seemed like he had a hard time making a decision on who to throw to. Maybe the Panthers were running a soft coverage, but still Ramsey looked like a rookie back there.

Speaking of rookies, Nemo Broughton was probably the biggest highlight of the game. The guy is straight up a downhill runner, and he has decent speed for a guy that weighs 250. He will help us out tremendously on short yardage and goaline situations. Another rookie that stood out was Campbell. He showed great poise in the pocket and did a great job of making quick decisions. I only wish that we could see him with the 2nd team receivers instead of the guys that won't be here come week 1. But so far Campbell has impressed me, and for now it seems like Gibbs has found his QB for the future. It looks like the time off last year recharged Brunells batteries (especially his arm). He did a great a job of scanning the field and reading the defense, and at one point I saw throw a rope to McCants (WOW!!).

The defense was leaky, but then again we were missing 9 quality players. Delhomme and Weinke had all the time in the world to make plays which was dissapointing. But the run defense was decent. What stood out to me was the poor tackling and poor coverage downfield. I'm sorry to AJFC, but the ADE HAS TO GO. Seriously, he gets burned almost all the time and he's probably the worst tackler on the team.[/QUOTE]

Nice post. I agree with much of what you've written here. I don't know how much longer the excuse can be made for Ramsey that he gets nervous because of the lack of pass protection he got under Spurrier. That was nearly two years ago, and he should know by now that Gibbs and Buges won't ever leave him unprotected. He needs to work on keeping those feet set.

He's to humble to admit it, but I'm going to give PSUSkinsfan11 some props. Even before the draft he said we should select Nemo Broughton. He was dead on about that. This guy looked really sharp out there (even against Panther scrubs). I couldn't tell though, can he block?

When we traded for Brunell last offseason, I'll admit I didn't have the Nostradamus-like foresite of Offiss Beathard, I really thought that Brunell had two or three more good years to give us. I never even remotely imagined he would play as bad as he did-though Matty and I have said several times the problems extended beyond him, Brunell was pretty awful. But it was really good to see him play well on Saturday. I'm not saying he should start (not yet at least) but as long as he is a Redskin I don't know why anyone wouldn't want him to succeed.

Might be time to change that name to Nemo Broughton Fan Club, or maybe Ethan Albright Fan Club. Ethan needs some lovin

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[QUOTE=JWsleep]I agree that it's great news about the O-line, but let's not get carried away here--the vertical passing game, which is crucial to the success of the team, was not there. So we still don't know about that, and it's the biggest question mark we have.
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we did have 5 20 yard plays, at least 4 of which were passes (forget if cartwrights run down the middle was a rush or a toss). The real problem is consistency and throwing short of first down... weinke or whoever for the panters needed 5 yards at one point, he had a guy open 2 yards out, BUT HE HELD ON TO THE BALL, ran back a bit and launched it downfeild instead of doing the redskin's dumpoff. That's the only thing that really got me, the willingness to give up on getting 1st down so easily. I also think thats on of the big reasons we stunk last year... too much throwing it away or throwing way short of the needed yardadge :(

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Also, Rufus Brown had 2 costly penalties in the red zone and was getting beat left and right as well.

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The 5 20yd plays were not executed by the skins 1st team offense. Thats something people seem to be ignoring. I realize the 1st team O does not want to show too much in preseason but they do need to show something, anything so the players can begin to believe the offense will be successful and get some confidence in the coaching staff.

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the way i look at it is, better our line does, more fuel it give the fire that is Clinton portis, and only reason i am so gitty about the line is because it was the best d-line in the league. if the way that our o-line played directly translates to yards then CP is getting a HAIL AMOUNT

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Again, I am not saying it is not great news about the line, but if our line was that manhandling, why could we not get into a groove on O? Look I think we all know our D is going to be fine, but we had nothing in the first half going well.

Portis sat out and a couple of players did not play, but we should have scored at least 10pts in the first half and could not get it done... It is the first preseason game, but it is time for PR to step up and make some plays.

I could care less what Brunell did against 3rd stringers...

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[QUOTE=TAFKAS]Nice post. I agree with much of what you've written here. I don't know how much longer the excuse can be made for Ramsey that he gets nervous because of the lack of pass protection he got under Spurrier. That was nearly two years ago, and he should know by now that Gibbs and Buges won't ever leave him unprotected. He needs to work on keeping those feet set.

He's to humble to admit it, but I'm going to give PSUSkinsfan11 some props. Even before the draft he said we should select Nemo Broughton. He was dead on about that. This guy looked really sharp out there (even against Panther scrubs). I couldn't tell though, can he block?

When we traded for Brunell last offseason, I'll admit I didn't have the Nostradamus-like foresite of Offiss Beathard, I really thought that Brunell had two or three more good years to give us. I never even remotely imagined he would play as bad as he did-though Matty and I have said several times the problems extended beyond him, Brunell was pretty awful. But it was really good to see him play well on Saturday. I'm not saying he should start (not yet at least) but as long as he is a Redskin I don't know why anyone wouldn't want him to succeed.

Might be time to change that name to Nemo Broughton Fan Club, or maybe Ethan Albright Fan Club. Ethan needs some lovin[/QUOTE]



[QUOTE]When we traded for Brunell last offseason, I'll admit I didn't have the Nostradamus-like foresite of Offiss Beathard[/QUOTE]

:rofl: I like the sound of that Taf.

But let's be realistic, I have a much better insight of the future than Nostrodamus. :biggthump