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I didn't see it--I listened to it over the internet (Cinncy announcers). Seemed like Ramsey really went all out to hit the deep throws, and he finally connected on a few, which is good news. But the INTs were pretty terrible, and the one from the 13 took points off the board. THat's exactly what we did last year, and it killed us. We cannot keep losing the TO battle--no team can do well with a negative TO ratio.

Seemed like Brunnell does well in scramble/hurry-up mode, though he didn't get much help from his receivers. BUt he couldn't hit the TD down close, and got bailed out by a pass interference call. Nemo sounded like he showed some real power at times, though the fumble at the end really hurt. The battle between him and rock is a tough one.

Patten sounds like the real deal--he made some great catches to get the offense going. 3 catches for 109 yards. Nice stat. WIsh Moss had been able to get into the endzone on Ramsey's last drive--then he'd have 2 TD passes, and I think I'd feel a lot better. Getting three instead of seven there was disapointing. WHere was Cooley in all this?

The first team D dominated Cinncy. They did not move the ball until the second-stringers got in there. BUt then they really went to town--I wonder if Williams went back into his "evaluation" mode at that point. Still, Rodgers had an early impact--the TD play he got burned, but in the first-team D he played his role, including having some nice hits. Washington sounded like he was everywhere on D. Couldn't tell how Marshall did, but early on the D was kicking ass. Nice to have Daniels and Griffths out there together as well.

Nemo scored the TD and picked up a big third-down short yardage play. Rock had some big gainers, but got stuffed on a 4th down play.

I feel pretty good about it, but we can't keep turning it over. That's killing us. My guess is that most of Ramsey's problems are that he's really pressing right now. But he cannot throw INTs like that in Gibbs offense. Gibbs will not stand for it, IMO.

Now, why didn't Campbell play? Wonder if Gibbs is trying to see if Brunnell really has it? I didn't find him that impressive, but there were some drops. Hard to tell with the 2-3 stringers in there.

Wonder what y'all thought?

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im prety d runk dude

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i don't hold a bias against brunnel now. If he can win and ramsey can't i will take the one that can win. But tonight i saw ramsey throw nice passes, but then again make poor decisions, i think that he looked more comfortable but guys, everyone said just throw down field, just please throw down field, for the love of football and all of its fans and all of its history throw the damn ball downfield. Why? because that will open up the run. our calls were answered and gibbs made strides tonight that no one here could have predicted after seeing the game last week. We now know that we can bomb that shit down field if we need to make the opposing D to back off. This means a garanteed 1500 yards for portis and a posibility for much more in my opinion. We can throw deep, that is great and now we can run. Nothing to worry about, only thing is that ramsey needs to get it in the right place every time he throws it b/c those INTs were rediculous.
Defensively we did good on first teams
Nemo did very well but did fumble
Antonio brown did better this week on returns and most ended near the 30 which is pretty good.
David patten gets my player of the game, 110 on 3 passes. THat is rediculous. and there wasn't a bomb of 70 yards, it was a consistant 30 yards or so for every play.

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I just saw some highlights, bottom line I would really like to know what Ramsey is looking at or thinking on those INT's? I don't get it, what is the guy looking at? the defenders had position the whole way and he throws right to them. My thought all along is that he just need's some stability, and prtection before he really step's up, but those 2 INT's have me scratching my head, they were very disheartning to say the least.

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one int was a disgustingly bad decision by ramsey, the other was an overthrow that could have hit moss, but the window was so small that i'd call it a pretty bad decision too.

rock's failing on 4th and 2 was the o-lines fault, rock still looks good though, nemo did too beside the fumble... hell, bessides the ints ramsey looked good too :P 2 passes into tight spaces, completionss of 25(td), 30, 33, 46 yards... his feet weren't doing the happy dance like last game and he didn't stare down receivers (that i noticed, on the td he looked off thrash to open him up... good play). The stare own thing is something ramsey's typically been bad at throughout his short career.

the bomb tossed on rodgers happened because he was exhausted (and it was very obvious)... now that he'll be doing full conditioning and practices that shouldn't happen again.

I'm convinced we're 4 deep at RB... I see no problems with our game there, oline has looked better, rbs have looked really good (until combs comes in... that guy has to go. He dropped a massive turd last week and followed it up with another bad showing). Hopefully we can keep both of them.

Boschetti is our 4th DT, I don't think there's really much of a competition there anymore...

no real 1st team penalties... wilds looked good and better than rufus brown or AJ have so far, I think he'll be a good #4. ST also went man coverage on a top3 WR again and won... maybe he could be a cb in emergencies since we have more starters at safety. I rather have taylor, clark, bowen/preilou then AJ, taylor, clark ;)

brown is a GOOD returner. He didn't break anything big, but no fair catches and always got above average yardage. meanwhile our coverage team was solid again; thrash has to be the best gunner ever ;)

We didn't dump off behind the 1st down markers this game, the scheme looked legit, bombs, outside runs, etc... I don't think we have to worry about a repeat of 2004 for now.

overall i think this was a good step up... besides ramsey (on again, off again) everyone looked pretty good (minus some scrubs).

One thing i did mention in the chat was ramsey threw 2.5times per rush (20 to 8) and brunell threw 1.7 per (19 to 11) which helped brunell pass a bit easier early on (5/6 play his first drive were runs and cinci wasn't expecting it). That in no way excuses the ints or anything, just thought it was interesting.

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Ramsey made some nice throws and some really bad ones.

I still don't think it's anything to panic about. Gibbs was calling mostly pass plays while PR was in there, and Ramsey seemed to be intent on throwing deep, perhaps that was the plan.

I really liked the article by [url="http://www.thewarpath.net/showthread.php?t=7352"]Mike Wise [/url]in the WP today, it sums up how I feel very well. I think the fans in general need to chill the hell out.

Some other notes on the game:

Carlos Rogers had some really nice plays but was also toasted for a TD. All in all a typical rookie performance. I'm sure Williams liked the fact he got burned, he got a little welcome to the NFL treatment.

I think we're really going to like Patten and Moss. Patten had a nice catch in traffic and another nice foot dragging grab near the sideline. Once Ramsey and the WRs get a better rapport going watch out.

Antonio Brown has some ankle breaking moves! He's really going to be something special as a returner and help us out with field position.

The defense is a minor concern, we're missing alot of guys and Williams doesn't seem to be running anything too exotic. He seems to be strictly evaluating at this point.

The battle between Rock and Nemo is really heating up. Nemo plowed over a couple of defenders and Rock seemed to have a nice burst getting to the outside. The fumble brought Nemo back down to earth a bit, and that's not necessarily a bad thing.

Brunell looks sharp. His passes have zip and his trademark accuracy seems to be back. It would be interesting to see what he can do with the first team but I think Gibbs needs to stand behind Ramsey.

Overall I was pleased that we were able to hit some big plays with the first teamers in there. Ramsey was up and down, but there are other factors to keep in mind, like a lack of running game, no Portis, etc. I think he's going to be fine once the entire offense comes together. Brunell is an interesting option though... where are all the Brunell haters now? ;)

On a side note, Palmer struggled and was also up and down, I wonder if the Bengals are looking to bench him?

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I didn't see the game, but I am encouraged by Ramsey showing an ability to hit the deep pass this time. Then again, against Carolina he made great decisions but a few throws were off. Now against Cinci, it sounds like the throws were on but the decisions were off.

I'll check out the replay on NFL network before I pass any real judgment.

Despite the bad decisions, it's nice to see big chunks of yardage in the passing game. It'd be real interesting to see how Portis would add to the mix, once he's healthy.

Anybody know how healthy the Bengals' D was for this one? I was just wondering if they were missing people, or if Ramsey's performance was against their first teamers?

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I thought overall the offense looked really sharp, other than the poor decision making by Ramsey on those turnovers. We should probably keep in mind also that not only was there no Portis but there was no Cooley either (at least I never saw him).

I liked the separation the receivers got, but also the placement of the passes (along with the receivers' speed) allowed them to add several yards after the catch.

I thought Brunell looked really comfortable out there, especially out of the shotgun.

I'm a bit more concerned about the defense than the offense. I'm just worried about our depth right now at defense.

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Matty, this is Palmer's second year as a starter after watching Kitna in his rookie season. Palmer looked shaky in the first few series against a still depleted Redskin starting defense, but warmed up a bit as the first half continued on. If you're trying to correlate his performance with Ramsey's, you needn't bother. Palmer, while younger with not as much experience as Ramsey, isn't projecting himself as such the way Ramsey still is.

Overall, I think Ramsey had a better game than he did against Carolina, with 9 completions for 190 yards. That's a very nice yards per pass percentage. The problem is that when Ramsey's off, he's WAY off, throwing to guys in opposing jerseys.

At this point in Ramsey's career, I think most of us, including Joe Gibbs expect more than that. Ramsey still hasn't settled down, and it's showing. Somebody opined that Ramsey simply cannot seem to handle pressure. But this is the preseason, when he's basically been awarded the starting job, and he's still playing as if he's a wide-eyed rookie trying to atone for himself on just about every play. That makes him restless, trying to go for the jugular instead of missing open receivers underneath and in the intermediate patterns. On two occasions last night, those exact scenarios played out, and he threw two interceptions that completely took the wind out of the team on their way to certain scores.

I'm not calling for Ramsey to be benched. Just the opposite -- he needs all the playing time he can get. I still say though that we really should see Brunell start against the Steelers next Friday. But I would say that even if Ramsey had a flawless game. Give it to Brunell against the Steeler first teamers, and get Ramsey some confidence while playing against Pittsburgh reserves.

And don't take this observation as "panic". It is what it is -- an observation. But to say that 'everything's fine' and 'all is well' would be stretching. That's all.

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[QUOTE=Schneed10]
Anybody know how healthy the Bengals' D was for this one? I was just wondering if they were missing people, or if Ramsey's performance was against their first teamers?[/QUOTE]

I think that is real important to know! That is the thing about preseason, I bet there were a ton of poeple in Atlanta last preseason looking for the panic button when they got [b][i]SHUT OUT[/i][/b] by our defense .... little did anyone know they were playing one of the top three defenses in the entire league, who knows how good the bengals are going to be this season on D!!! Who knows how good Carson will be, if he ends up throwing 30 TD's and 15 picks, you can bet our D is going to be good!

Patrick is a real enigma right now, that first TD throw was amazing! He threw it on a roll out in between 2 Defenders, on the $$ and in the endzone .... but those picks were head scratchers?

I love Rock, I think Nemo is still the better bet, despite that fumble. But Rock did have some impressive runs, and was picking up big chunks.

Brunell is looking good, real good, he has played almost flawlessly against 2nd, 3rd stringers, i'm so curious to see him agasint 1st teamers ...

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I don't know that putting Ramsey in as the second stringer is going to give him confidence. It may pad his stats, but I can't imagine he'd feel too relaxed about Brunell starting.

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It seems like our first defense totally dominates just like last year, but when the second defense takes the field, they just fall apart. I'm not sure if our depth is suspect, or if Williams is playing a plain defense to evaluate the players.

I worry about Ramsey, but the more I think about it, the less I worry.

First, he really started to connect for the first time with his receivers.. and many connections were the long ball. He had something like 170 yards passing in the first half. Hell, we didn't get that in whole games last year.

Second, his numbers could have been better, but I saw his receiver drop a sure first down too. Another one, Moss was running free down the sidelines, Ramsey made a great throw but Moss lost the ball in the lights. Cooley was obviously taken out of the mix for the game plan. To me that means they really have plans for him and don't want to tip thier hat.

Third, Pat had some poor decisions. I think that good coaching can prevent about half of those. Now that Gibbs knows where Ramsey starts to force things, he can call plays that fit Ramseys comfort level in those situations. I had no real problem with the int overthrow to Moss. When you go bombs away there will be int's. It was the one in the endzone that was the problem. If Cooley was out there, I think he may have felt better about checking down.

It's preseason. All I want is for us to do a little better each week. Next week will be a huge test.

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[QUOTE=GoSkins!]
Second, his numbers could have been better, but I saw his receiver drop a sure first down too. Another one, Moss was running free down the sidelines, Ramsey made a great throw but Moss lost the ball in the lights. Cooley was obviously taken out of the mix for the game plan. To me that means they really have plans for him and don't want to tip thier hat.
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[i]THATS RIGHT![/i] If Moss catches that-at worse he gets 25 yards, at best he makes 2 moves and is gone, really there was only one man to beat if makes that catch - [i]Lets not forget[/i], Pat audibled to that play, so he made the audible, and a great throw.

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[QUOTE=TAFKAS]I don't know that putting Ramsey in as the second stringer is going to give him confidence. It may pad his stats, but I can't imagine he'd feel too relaxed about Brunell starting.[/QUOTE]

Yes, but he, along with just about everyone else still acknowledge that this is just preseason. Every coach wants a chance to evaluate as many players as they can against starters on opposing teams. Your backup quarterback should face a first team starting defense at least once during the exhibition games.

If this fact makes Ramsey nervous, and he takes a Brunell starting nod next week as an ominous sign, then that's not good. Competition should make a pro athelete in the NFL flourish, not cower.

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[QUOTE=Beemnseven]If this fact makes Ramsey nervous, and he takes a Brunell starting nod next week as an ominous sign, then that's not good. Competition should make a pro athelete in the NFL flourish, not cower.[/QUOTE]

Just listened to the Gibbs press conference. Don't think we will see Brunell starting anytime soon. Gibbs thinks the way to fix Ramsey is to make sure he gets more reps.

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I agree with that statement.

Give a shout out to my boys on the D. The first team unit played well despite all the injuries.
P. Prioleau had a great game and looked good. He is a very solid tackler. Great and inexpensive pick up. Hopefully Snyder learned from Williams on this pick up.

C. Clemons continues to look good in his new position

The 1st team offensive line continues to show signs of much improved play from last year, they played really well last night. They opened up some running lanes and protected Ramsey; this this time you cannot blame them for Ramseys inconsistant play.
R. Cartwright and Broughton had very impressive game. Rock averaged 7.5 yards a carry! Broughton averaged 5 tough yards per carry. Broughton is a keeper.
Ramsey was booed on the first three drives for continued poor play from last week. But he snapped out of it and had a handful of great throws mixed in with his bad ones. I hate to say it but Ramsey is still inconsistant. On one of his interceptions, he never took his eyes off the receiver; he telegraphed it. Not the sign of a third year NFL QB.
Although some of his completions were awesome, threaded the needle on a couple of them. The lone TD pass Ramsey has in in 2005 came off a great interception from Carlos Rogers. I like Carlos!
So you have to say Ramsey has yet to drive the team down the field for a TD in 2005: in something like 15 drives. My boy Sonny J. was keeping track last night.

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Ramsey is trash......I keep making excuses for him and I'm done with that. He looked horrible last night. We are going to live and die with Ramsey this year and we might limp our way to 7 wins if we're lucky. I keep saying that Ramsey made a few nice plays last night, trying to defend him...but that is what his job is, to hit the open receiver and he can't do it more than 1/2 the time unless its a dump off.

Enough with that.....does anyone feel that we haven't worked the middle of the field at all in this preseason. I feel like that is coming at some point in time. I feel like we are attacking the side and corners of the field. Anyone else see that??

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[QUOTE=Beemnseven]Matty, this is Palmer's second year as a starter after watching Kitna in his rookie season. Palmer looked shaky in the first few series against a still depleted Redskin starting defense, but warmed up a bit as the first half continued on. If you're trying to correlate his performance with Ramsey's, you needn't bother. Palmer, while younger with not as much experience as Ramsey, isn't projecting himself as such the way Ramsey still is. [/QUOTE] Ramsey is older by 10 months. Palmer had a zero passer rating at the end of the 1st quarter. We had already pulled our D-line and linebackers at the end of the quarter and he moved the ball down the field, mostly on his ability to run becasue nothing was there. He looked shaky even against our 3rd stringers. If I were the bengals I would be worried as that was a pitiful performance.

As far as Ramsey, I personally thought he played fine. The Int. in the end zone was a ball that got a lot of air under it , similar to the TD to Thrash. I don't like that throw and he has to learn to zip it versus loft it unless it is the one on one fade. But that would be a better pass for Randy Moss and we don't have him. The other Int. looked like a miscommunication. We can not judge what we do not know. I also thought there was a ball in the 2nd series that Moss failed to make an attempt at. It was an excellent pass but he seemed to give up on the play. He did make a couple of great moves though.

The guy that impressed me the most was Antonio Brown. He was awsome. He seems to have a knack for returning the ball, expect him to break a few. But he juked Rasheed Bauman out of his jock strap for a catch. Sold the post and turned poor Bauman around and took the out pattern. GREAT MOVE!!!

On defense seems like Aki Jones is going to make the ball club.

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I'm concerned about Patrick Ramsey...we can't have him playing Jekyl and Hyde. I thought his performance was better with the long pass completions, but his bonehead INTs are killing this team's momentum. I do agree that the only way Patrick can get through this is to play through it. But, it's his fourth year, it's time for him to start eliminating mistakes such as what he made last night.

I know the boo birds will still doubt Brunell because he was playing against the second and third string, but keep in mind, he was playing behind a second and third string OL and second and third string receivers and backs. I'm impressed with Brunell so far.

Overall, I have concerns with Patrick Ramsey and our back up defense. I'm afraid we're not going to have good depth on our defense this year, but as long as our first stringers don't get hurt, we should dominate. Carlos Rogers is going to have to get into condition fast..he was tired after the first quarter last night!!

Overall, I see nothing wrong with the offensive system. Gibbs still isn't showing us everything about the offense, but we could have very easily put up more than 17 points last night. Like Gibbs said, "we are our own worst enemy."

We have the talent and ability to have a solid team, some players just need to step up and perform.

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[QUOTE=skinnyfan]Ramsey is trash......I keep making excuses for him and I'm done with that. He looked horrible last night. We are going to live and die with Ramsey this year and we might limp our way to 7 wins if we're lucky. I keep saying that Ramsey made a few nice plays last night, trying to defend him...but that is what his job is, to hit the open receiver and he can't do it more than 1/2 the time unless its a dump off.

Enough with that.....does anyone feel that we haven't worked the middle of the field at all in this preseason. I feel like that is coming at some point in time. I feel like we are attacking the side and corners of the field. Anyone else see that??[/QUOTE]

AMEN BROTHER!

The Redskins just got rid of a WR who held on to the ball 50 percent of the time. Where is he now? You're absolutely right, Ramsey's job is to hit the open receiver but somewhere in between his brain and motor skills lies a dilemma. We want him to do good soooooo bad that we accept his mediocre to horrific performances for the last two games. Who cares if he threw some nice passes if he turned right around and threw 2 INTS? I'm sick of him and the apologist who continue to allow their wisdom to be clouded with the obvious. Which is he will not be the starter of this team, come September if he turns the ball over another time in preseason. PERIOD!

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[QUOTE=TAFKAS]I don't know that putting Ramsey in as the second stringer is going to give him confidence. It may pad his stats, but I can't imagine he'd feel too relaxed about Brunell starting.[/QUOTE]

As of August 20, 2005. There is no QB controversey in Redskins camp. It is clear that Ramsey is handing over the first squad to Brunell on a silver platter. Four years later, three coaches later and the same bonehead mistakes. The crime we charged Brunell with last year has plagued Ramsey this year. The underthrown pass. It is unacceptable for an experienced QB to throw the kind of INT's he's throwing. Ramsey was in every damn camp Gibb's called for and he still doesn't get it. How smart is he really?

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I am surprised that Carlos Rogers is getting critizied a little bit by the WP today.The guy rushed back from an injury that prevented him from doing any tough conditioning. Plus he is still a rookie. He clearly got tired after the first quarter. But again that is due to his inactivity due to his injury. The Post needs to back off a bit, so he does not get gun shy.

Hey, he had a great interception and in the first quatrer (against the starters) he looked great. No complaints from me. If he is going get burned for a TD, let it happen now in the preseason. Plus there is not a CB in the world (much less a rookie) that can shut down his WR forever.

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[QUOTE=skinnyfan]Ramsey is trash......I keep making excuses for him and I'm done with that. He looked horrible last night. We are going to live and die with Ramsey this year and we might limp our way to 7 wins if we're lucky. I keep saying that Ramsey made a few nice plays last night, trying to defend him...but that is what his job is, to hit the open receiver and he can't do it more than 1/2 the time unless its a dump off.

Enough with that.....does anyone feel that we haven't worked the middle of the field at all in this preseason. I feel like that is coming at some point in time. I feel like we are attacking the side and corners of the field. Anyone else see that??[/QUOTE]

I agree.....if Ramsey continues on like this, we're gonna live and die by him. BUT I've learned to never doubt Gibbs....he knows what he's doing.

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I watched the entire game and compared to last week, I thought the team made strides. Much better showing. If the team continues to show improvement on a weekly basis, that's what we, as fans, should be focused on. Some said Ramsey is "trash". Give me a break!! So he made a couple of bone head plays. It happens. This is the time to do it. It is PRE SEASON!! Duh..
This is the time to make dumb mistakes, get burned (C. Rogers), make dumb decisions (PR), fumble the ball in critical situations (Nemo in 4th qtr). I'd rather it happen now than in Dallas on Monday nite. We can learn from mistakes and it gives the coaches PLENTY to use as motivation and teaching tools.
Ramsey made some beautiful passes as well. We had some good D, good teams play and some nice runs. Overall, with a vanilla game plan, some players still hurt, the Redskins are right where they need to be.
:dallas:

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[QUOTE=SUNRA]AMEN BROTHER!

The Redskins just got rid of a WR who held on to the ball 50 percent of the time. Where is he now? You're absolutely right, Ramsey's job is to hit the open receiver but somewhere in between his brain and motor skills lies a dilemma. We want him to do good soooooo bad that we accept his mediocre to horrific performances for the last two games. Who cares if he threw some nice passes if he turned right around and threw 2 INTS? I'm sick of him and the apologist who continue to allow their wisdom to be clouded with the obvious. Which is he will not be the starter of this team, come September if he turns the ball over another time in preseason. PERIOD![/QUOTE]
ever see any of Theismann's preseason games...? You would have been calling for his head too. I think he ended up ok. It's PRE- season. Way too many people are getting all worked up over it. Was everyone excited when we beat up on San Fran a few years back during the Spurrier years? How'd that season turn out? By week 2, you will have forgotten all about it. So...who should start? Brunell? I guess you were not one of the people calling for HIS head last year, right? You want the rook to start? How far does a team go with a rookie QB? So the alternatives are to stfu and wait and see how PR does when the bullets are live and quit crying like babies every time a mistake is made in a preseason game. If he is still making dumb mistakes and costing us games in the regular season...bash away. Until then, take it easy, man.

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Cooley and Portis were our two biggest offensive weapons last year, and they were both GONE for this PREseason game.

obviously, Gibbs was using this game to just evaluate the air game, and Ramsey was calling plays and making throws he WOULDN'T be doing in a real game!

he was without his two biggest options, and both Ramsey and Gibbs now know what works when in the air and what doesn't. isn't that the POINT of a preseason game? to see the limits of specific parts of your team?

apparently they weren't even going over the middle (why injure our small recievers?). to expect a one-dimensional offense, blindfolded (no Portis) and one arm behind your back (no Cooley) against a first team defense (a Marvin Lewis defense no less) with no incidents seems reaaaally short sighted.

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Lost in all this is the fact that both QB's look miles better than they did at this point last year. This should make us feel a little better about things.

Great News
 

Most important improvement from last year--against a marvin lewis defense is

average pass was 6.9 yards

and average rush was 5.1

These are important stats because ideally you want to be able to get a first down in only two down with either rushing or passing. We couldn't do that last year

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No kidding about the bashing! I know this is our team and all, but most of those people who are doing some extreme bashing need to like many have said this is the pre-season no need to abandon ship. Ramsey has a lot of learning from his mistakes, but the 4 years as all know have been mind blowing and would not call it 4 years worth of experience Spurrier rotation with QBS injured when named starter and then last year 7 games thrown into and offense that no matter who was QB would have done much better. Everyone agreed that Spurriers offense in the NFL was not exactly the best system to gain experience at a PRO level. Just hypothetical and don't everyone get their panties in a bunch and not even trying to compare Ramsey to Farve so chill out before you come back with your blast, but Farve is a gunslinger and could have easily had similar stats as Ramsey and plays a lot like him with his decision making from what I have seen this year. Ramsey will come along and showed great improvement. I would agree the offense was laid out last night to do exactly that get the ball downfield and use the sidelines. Defenses are going to start playing those edges and making plays if you do it over and over. We did not mix in the run well or use the center of the field game plan would have been different in th real season. Preseason is where you see if you can go down field and see what works.

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[QUOTE=TAFKAS]I don't know that putting Ramsey in as the second stringer is going to give him confidence. It may pad his stats, but I can't imagine he'd feel too relaxed about Brunell starting.[/QUOTE]


Totally agree! Ramsey need's as much time with the first string as possible, I also think Gibbs should have him throwing downfield as much as possible, he need's to become better and more comfortable with the downfield passing game, and it's only going to happen threw repetition. If he throws some more INT's so be it hopefully he gets them out of his system before the opener.

Hopefully I will catch the replay tonight at 12:00am on the NFL network and have a better feel for what happened.

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Hey Guys here is my two sents on the game last night. First I agree with illdefined, when he said Portis and Cooley were Gone. Second everyone needs to remember that Arrington was not there and several other players on D were held out with minor dings. I would like to see our complete starters on the field before the Preseason is finished. The O-line is good, but without Portis, I wonder how much that hurts Ramsey. Maybe we don't need Ramsey to throw twice in every series if Portis is playing? Betts did fine, but we only ran the ball 20 times. Betts averaged 5 yards a carry. Do you think the Skins throw as much as they did last night if they average 5 yards a carry? I don't think so. I believe that Gibbs would have really been praising Ramsey if he had not thrown those 2 picks. Hey it is Preseason, so its OK! Ramsey just needs to learn from the experience.

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[QUOTE=GoSkins!]Lost in all this is the fact that both QB's look miles better than they did at this point last year. This should make us feel a little better about things.[/QUOTE]

Marvelous point. The offense looks so much better as a whole. Bett's yards per carry were solid last night. The WRs are getting separation. There's no 8 man fronts to face. We're making mistakes, but the ball is moving. Which is lightyears ahead of where we were last year (making mistakes and standing still).

If you find yourself freaking out, take solace in two things:

1) The backbone of your offensive team is your offensive line, and so far our starters look great.

2) We play the Bears sans Rex Grossman in week 1, plus Cedric Benson still isn't in camp!

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One pass people seem to think about was that EndZone interception. While it was a bad throw, it was the exact right idea. If he put another 6 inches of air under that ball it's a pretty TD. The WR was wide alone in the corner he didn't put enough on it!

I'm still shaking at our 2nd CB position. Hell. Jimoh prolly played better than any CB last night. Carlos Rogers got burned, straight up flown by some CIN receiver. They toss a flag, bring it back, then CIN does the exact same thing -- TD. It really hurt. I don't know who we have that can cover those speed receivers we'll see. Springs isn't known for his speed, Rogers was getting run by, Harris is old. Will Wilds be our saving grace?

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any bengal fan that saw the game last year and the game this year must feel like we are all psyco

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My thoughts on the game are as follows....

Offensivley - Ramsey was inconsistent, but I feel better about him after this week than I do last week. I think you can teach dicison making, but you cant teach rythm. I think up until last night he had no rythm with the offense, which I think he showed last night. His desicon making needs to get alot better if he wants to succeed in the league. The obviously bad passes he should have grown out of by now, and I think Gibbs can get him in the right direction before seasons start. Overall, I feel better about Ramsey after this week than I did last week.
O-Line- Freaking stout. I'm very excited about this group.
Running game- We didnt run the ball enough with the starters (Betts) for me to know anything.

Overall offensivley, I was exicted to see us moving the ball. If we turn the ball over like we did last night, you can forget about it. However if we can cash in with even feild goals on all the possessions we were inside the fourty last night, we win the game I think. I feel better about this unit right now; and I'm excited to see how they do against last years #1 defense in Pittsburgh.

Defensivley- Our starters are awsome. Our backups not so much. Its dissapointing too, because alot of the "backups" I feel/felt could make a good impact this season. One guy I would like to focus on though for his good play is LaVar Arringtons backup Warrick Holdman. I shutter to think of the things Williams can do with this "backup".

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[QUOTE=Daseal]One pass people seem to think about was that EndZone interception. While it was a bad throw, it was the exact right idea. If he put another 6 inches of air under that ball it's a pretty TD. The WR was wide alone in the corner he didn't put enough on it!

I'm still shaking at our 2nd CB position. Hell. Jimoh prolly played better than any CB last night. Carlos Rogers got burned, straight up flown by some CIN receiver. They toss a flag, bring it back, then CIN does the exact same thing -- TD. It really hurt. I don't know who we have that can cover those speed receivers we'll see. Springs isn't known for his speed, Rogers was getting run by, Harris is old. Will Wilds be our saving grace?[/QUOTE]

taylor has had real good luck with elite WRs so far... beats out moss for a jump ball (Deflected), gets an int covering CJ (last year) and stuffed him again on friday... and he's beat TO as well (an hit him in the head ;) )

we'll be playing the top3 WRs again this year too (moss, TO, CJ)... weird how that works out.

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I know I started the bashing of Ramsey on this thread....but that doesn't mean I don't love what we've done with other parts of this team. I just think Ramsey is "not good" not even adequate and that is why I said we are going to live and die with Ramsey this year. I think we are going to win close games. We don't seem to have a team that is going to run away from people and put up huge offensive numbers. And when Ramsey decides to have an embolism and throw 2 very bad interceptions in a tight game.........we will lose. I don't know what the answer is........I don't think its Brunell but Campbell's contract is based on incentives starting the 2006 season if that tells you guys anything. I don't know the answer but Ramsey is not it.

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[QUOTE]I just think Ramsey is "not good" not even adequate [/QUOTE]

How does a guy go from 3-2 the last five games of a REAL season, one team needed to beat us to lock a playoff spot no less, to being not adaquate????

He had a 94.somthing QB rating over those games!

Much better to get twitterpated over 2 games that don't count

[QUOTE]I think we are going to win close games. We don't seem to have a team that is going to run away from people and put up huge offensive numbers.[/QUOTE]

Winning close games is what champions do! Again in the last 5 games (a third of the season roughly) we pounded the gints and 9ers, and I think we all agree we are better on offense this year as a team. Who cares about fantasy football and offesive stats; wins count, stats don't.

The guy has earned the right to start at the begining of the REAL season, yet we forget so fast.

Remember - he is not Manning/Marino/Culpepper (what do they have in common? Great stats no SB wins!)...etc. But he can be Trent Dilfer, or Phil Simms. Heck Phil Simms had more INTs than TDs in 86...so what...The Gints won the Super Bowl in 86...[URL=http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/SimmPh00.htm]take a look![/URL]

If we can run the ball at 5 yards a clip with a defense close to last years, I am not sure we even need a quarterback- just run the single wing and snap it to the RB.

Lets see how the real wins and losses shake out before we charge the castle w/ pitch forks and torches. It is one thing to say I am worried about PR throwing ints and another to say he is horrid or is a practice squad QB. Sounds like folks are listeng to Jim Rome or Sports Overnight ( :vomit-smi and :vomit-smi ) and taking it seriously.

sorry for the rant :laughing2

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[QUOTE=dblanch66]ever see any of Theismann's preseason games...? You would have been calling for his head too. I think he ended up ok. It's PRE- season. Way too many people are getting all worked up over it. Was everyone excited when we beat up on San Fran a few years back during the Spurrier years? How'd that season turn out? By week 2, you will have forgotten all about it. So...who should start? Brunell? I guess you were not one of the people calling for HIS head last year, right? You want the rook to start? How far does a team go with a rookie QB? So the alternatives are to stfu and wait and see how PR does when the bullets are live and quit crying like babies every time a mistake is made in a preseason game. If he is still making dumb mistakes and costing us games in the regular season...bash away. Until then, take it easy, man.[/QUOTE]

Actually I remember watching Theismann in his first season at RFK stadium. So I'm well aware of his mistakes. The problem I have with Ramsey is one that Gibbs has had since he returned as Head Coach. (Rule 1.) Don't Turn the Ball Over. Throw the ball away, but don't turn the ball over. Ramsey started his first game as a QB under Gibbs with 2 ints against the Giants. A game I also attended. Ramseys' dilemma is a lack of composure in tight coverage primarily in the red zone. He's either grossly missed his target or underthrown his pass for the int. There doesn't appear to be any consistency at all in his performances from game to game. The acquisition of Jason Campbell confirms that Ramsey's time in Washington is just about over. It is sad to think that a QB who has overwhelming support from his fans could blow his opportunity on a future team.

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[QUOTE=Kope]How does a guy go from 3-2 the last five games of a REAL season, one team needed to beat us to lock a playoff spot no less, to being not adaquate????

He had a 94.somthing QB rating over those games!

Much better to get twitterpated over 2 games that don't count



Winning close games is what champions do! Again in the last 5 games (a third of the season roughly) we pounded the gints and 9ers, and I think we all agree we are better on offense this year as a team. Who cares about fantasy football and offesive stats; wins count, stats don't.

The guy has earned the right to start at the begining of the REAL season, yet we forget so fast.

Remember - he is not Manning/Marino/Culpepper (what do they have in common? Great stats no SB wins!)...etc. But he can be Trent Dilfer, or Phil Simms. Heck Phil Simms had more INTs than TDs in 86...so what...The Gints won the Super Bowl in 86...[url="http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/SimmPh00.htm"]take a look![/url]

If we can run the ball at 5 yards a clip with a defense close to last years, I am not sure we even need a quarterback- just run the single wing and snap it to the RB.

Lets see how the real wins and losses shake out before we charge the castle w/ pitch forks and torches. It is one thing to say I am worried about PR throwing ints and another to say he is horrid or is a practice squad QB. Sounds like folks are listeng to Jim Rome or Sports Overnight ( :vomit-smi and :vomit-smi ) and taking it seriously.

sorry for the rant :laughing2[/QUOTE]


I'm not sure I understand all the ranting about champions winning close games etc.....I just said that if we win games they will be close, not blowouts. And Ramsey's mistakes will cost us those close games. And beating the Giants and the Niners is nothing to be too proud of. I will say the Minnesota win was big and he played well but the Vikes looked uninspired in that game and went up to Green Bay and Handed them their ass......Anwyay....I'm ranting. I just think Ramsey is not an adequate QB to take this team where we all want them to go..........Playoffs, Super Bowl etc..... Look I love the Redskins, I just hate Ramsey........and I hope at some point in this season I can come back to this particular topic and apologize for raping Ramsey, but I know I'm right and I don't see us winning with Ramsey.