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Ramsey played great at the end of the season and is improving game-by-game this preseason.

And again, this is only preseason. Yes, Brunell has been showing he can school 2nd and 3rd stringers. The good I see in him being "back to his old self" is that we have a good backup in case Ramsey goes down.

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:thumb: Ditto for me MC.

It might be a different story if Brunell was going up against the first string defenses and lighting it up.

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Same here. Brunell might be a better QB than his performance last season would have you believe, but Ramsey deserves a REAL shot at the starting job.

Virtually everyone was ready to lynch Brunell last season. Now, after a few good performances in preseason games against backups, people are acting like he's Peyton Manning stuck behind Ryan Leaf. Crazy...

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It's difficult to blame Ramsey when the two preseason games he's played in have almost by design eliminated the running game. Portis has one carry in the preseason, which means defenses don't have to show the same respect for the run they would otherwise.

Now, Ramsey has made some mistakes. He will likely continue to do so. Hopefully, when defenses are showing us 8 in the box, his mistakes will not be capitalized on. He is the best option we have now, by a healthy margin.

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Ramsey is still the guy. If he costs us a couple of games early in the season due to his poor decision making, then I think you go to the backup.

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[QUOTE=jbcjr14]Ramsey is still the guy. If he costs us a couple of games early in the season due to his poor decision making, then I think you go to the backup.[/QUOTE]

At the VERY least, I think you've got to give him 6 or 7 games. I'd like to see him in for the entire season.

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Also, Ramsey has been making great reads against blitzes (not to mention our o-line has been picking them up without problems).

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Ramsey, because he showed last year that he can manage the offense well. He has made obvious strides with touch passes down the field. He isn't that accurate with it yet, but last year he just gunned everything. The few deep passes he threw would be lasers that sailed over the WRs head. Now he seems to be putting air under it, dropping the pass down over the CB's head and into the receiver's hands. That's what we need in order to seriously threaten the deep part of the field and keep 8 men out of the box. His accuracy isn't there yet, but I think it will get better with time. Ramsey is definitely not perfect, I think he's going to throw a fair amount of interceptions unless Gibbs starts calling the game more conservatively. But he knows how to manage the game and make some plays.

If it were Brunell starting though, I wouldn't be upset at all. I don't see much of a dropoff, if any, between the two of them. I think Brunell's miserable performance last year was mainly due to horrendous offensive line play and a lack of separation from the WRs. I think his elbow may have been bothering him too. His arm looks healthy, and the O-Line would give him the time he needs to play well. Brunell has always been able to throw a nice touch-pass deep downfield. Plus the players seem to respond to him.

I feel relatively fine with either one of them. But I'll take Ramsey because of how he did at the end of last year. We just have to be ready to deal with some INTs. I have a feeling he's going to be frustrating for us.

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Gibbs start calling the game more conservatively?! Urgh, not something I want to see! ;)

I will say this... I think that while it doesn't count, they're telling Ramsey to "let-er-rip" and see how he does. I'm sure if these games counted, they'd be running more to set up the pass so that once they stack the box, Ramsey can hit some easy quick slants to Moss or Patten and they'd be gone.

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Ramsey! I think he deserves more time to develop a chemistry with his NEW receivers, and the changes in the offense. Yes, he's made some bad decisions, but it's the preseason and hopefully he'll learn from all his mistakes. Lets not forget that Portis has barely played (1 carry in 2 preseason games), and Ramsey can benefit from a solid running game. Less pressure on Ramsey will make him more and more comfortable.

Brunell has looked good against the 2nd and 3rd stringers. He seems to have regained that mobility he always had, but never showed it last year because of his hamstring injury. I think we ourselves a great backup in Brunell, and if Ramsey were to fall to an injury (lets hope he doesn't!!!), I think Brunell can come in and win us some games.

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Ramsey and Brunell are both very inconsistent and I do not want either to be my starting QB.

Ramsey isnt hitting open guys, he has extremely happy feet, and on third and longs he looks short first. Brunell is the same Brunell that he was last year. He is making some very nice throws and making plays, but the first preseason game he did the same crap. Under pressue he would roll out and then throw it soaring over a receivers head or just throw it away. He doesnt make plays when you need them.

I was very upset that Campbell didnt play the last game. Clearly, hes not going to be our starter, but I dont expect us to have many wins (because of our offense) with either of those two QBs. If one of them steps up, I think at best they just dont make us lose, but they dotn do things to make us win.

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That said, Brunell would probably be a little frustrating too. He looks good now in preseason against scrubs, but I'd be kidding myself if I said that he looks like he's back to his prime form from his Jacksonville days. I don't think he's the same player as he was then, can't scramble as well and there are some throws he can't make any more. But he could manage the game just about as effectively as Ramsey in my opinion.

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[QUOTE=TheMalcolmConnection]Gibbs start calling the game more conservatively?! Urgh, not something I want to see! ;)

I will say this... I think that while it doesn't count, they're telling Ramsey to "let-er-rip" and see how he does. I'm sure if these games counted, they'd be running more to set up the pass so that once they stack the box, Ramsey can hit some easy quick slants to Moss or Patten and they'd be gone.[/QUOTE]

I don't want to see Gibbs go as conservative as last year, but I definitely don't want to see him cutting Ramsey loose like he is in the preseason. Did you know the Redskins rank 2nd in the NFL in pass yards per game so far in the preseason? Philly is first.

That's abnormal for a Joe Gibbs team. I think he's just calling pass after pass because he's just trying to assess what works. He's probably trying to figure out which plays work and which don't. When the regular season comes, I think he'll call running plays about as often as he did last year. The only thing is he'll pick his spots to go deep this year, and he'll probably choose to use the plays that he sees working here in the preseason.

I think he's using the preseason as a guinea pig of sorts, a test-run of the passing game. But he'll end up using his normal offensive style. All Clinton Portis, all the time, but with just a few deep passes mixed in. Which makes sense. After all, Clinton is our best offensive player. I maintain that the deep passing game is there primarily to give Portis room to run and take over games.

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[QUOTE=SKINSnCANES]Ramsey and Brunell are both very inconsistent and I do not want either to be my starting QB.

Ramsey isnt hitting open guys, he has extremely happy feet, and on third and longs he looks short first. Brunell is the same Brunell that he was last year. He is making some very nice throws and making plays, but the first preseason game he did the same crap. Under pressue he would roll out and then throw it soaring over a receivers head or just throw it away. He doesnt make plays when you need them.

I was very upset that Campbell didnt play the last game. Clearly, hes not going to be our starter, but I dont expect us to have many wins (because of our offense) with either of those two QBs. If one of them steps up, I think at best they just dont make us lose, but they dotn do things to make us win.[/QUOTE]

Skins, I could not have said it better myself. The best we can hope for with these QBs is that they dont lose games because they wont do anything to help the team win.

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That's abnormal for a Joe Gibbs team. I think he's just calling pass after pass because he's just trying to assess what works. He's probably trying to figure out which plays work and which don't. When the regular season comes, I think he'll call running plays about as often as he did last year. The only thing is he'll pick his spots to go deep this year, and he'll probably choose to use the plays that he sees working here in the preseason.
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That's what I'm thinkin'.

We'll see what Ramsey does well and what he does not.

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I thought about this over the weekend, and many many many budweisers later, Ive arrived with a very controversial theory on this issue. Now, mind you, this is just a theory and I know many of you are reaching for the arrows in your quiver even as I type but its worthy of a discussion. First, you must arrive at this conclusion: Patrick Ramsey is not our qb of the future. This is his fourth year, and he still makes the same mistakes he did as a rookie. He pats the ball, holds it too long, and then he forces throws into coverage instead of just taking what the defense gives him. I know many of you are saying, "Hold on, lets give the kid the season as the starter" and a part of me agrees with you. But another part of me suddenly came to the realization that Patrick Ramsey just isn't the answer. Now, if you can arrive at that conclusion, then what are the options? Brunnell does not have the arm of Ramsey, but he doesn't make as many stupid mistakes either. Brunnell to our team is slightly is similiar to what Trent Dilfer was to the champion Ravens' team. He got them within field goal range and he rarely made a mistake, throwing an occassional td.

So, does Brunnell give us a better chance to win immediately at the beginning of the season? I think he does. I think if we have any chance of beating Dallas in Week 2 it would be with Brunnell. So here's the theory, and please, be gentle when you attack me.....start Brunnell, and back him up with Ramsey until the season is lost, then plug in Campbell and work towards next year. I say this because in all honesty, I was always a big Patrick Ramsey fan, but now he's got an offensive line that is kicking ass, and receivers that are getting open, and he still makes the same mistakes that he did when he was a rookie. OK, take your shots, and remember its a theory.

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[QUOTE=SKINSnCANES]Ramsey and Brunell are both very inconsistent and I do not want either to be my starting QB.

Ramsey isnt hitting open guys, he has extremely happy feet, and on third and longs he looks short first. Brunell is the same Brunell that he was last year. He is making some very nice throws and making plays, but the first preseason game he did the same crap. Under pressue he would roll out and then throw it soaring over a receivers head or just throw it away. He doesnt make plays when you need them.

I was very upset that Campbell didnt play the last game. Clearly, hes not going to be our starter, but I dont expect us to have many wins (because of our offense) with either of those two QBs. If one of them steps up, I think at best they just dont make us lose, but they dotn do things to make us win.[/QUOTE]

Your point is well taken. The fact of the matter is during the season Ramsey has to be our man.

Brunell will not make it through a season, and by how he played last year I wouldn't want him to. If it came down to him being the starter it would be very bad news.
Campbell, unless he is hiding something very special from us, is a rookie who needs to cut his teeth in practice. Don't worry Gibbs will play him against the steelers, as per the WP article posted in the news section. Don't get me wrong I like Campbell but he doesn't need to be beaten down like Ramsey was early in his career.
Like it or not Ramsey is our guy for now. He has more starts with Gibbs, he gets the most reps....if he could only not look like a tapdancing ape in the pocket.

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[QUOTE=paulskinsfan]I thought about this over the weekend, and many many many budweisers later, Ive arrived with a very controversial theory on this issue. Now, mind you, this is just a theory and I know many of you are reaching for the arrows in your quiver even as I type but its worthy of a discussion. First, you must arrive at this conclusion: Patrick Ramsey is not our qb of the future. This is his fourth year, and he still makes the same mistakes he did as a rookie. He pats the ball, holds it too long, and then he forces throws into coverage instead of just taking what the defense gives him. I know many of you are saying, "Hold on, lets give the kid the season as the starter" and a part of me agrees with you. But another part of me suddenly came to the realization that Patrick Ramsey just isn't the answer. Now, if you can arrive at that conclusion, then what are the options? Brunnell does not have the arm of Ramsey, but he doesn't make as many stupid mistakes either. Brunnell to our team is slightly is similiar to what Trent Dilfer was to the champion Ravens' team. He got them within field goal range and he rarely made a mistake, throwing an occassional td.

So, does Brunnell give us a better chance to win immediately at the beginning of the season? I think he does. I think if we have any chance of beating Dallas in Week 2 it would be with Brunnell. So here's the theory, and please, be gentle when you attack me.....start Brunnell, and back him up with Ramsey until the season is lost, then plug in Campbell and work towards next year. I say this because in all honesty, I was always a big Patrick Ramsey fan, but now he's got an offensive line that is kicking ass, and receivers that are getting open, and he still makes the same mistakes that he did when he was a rookie. OK, take your shots, and remember its a theory.[/QUOTE]


Paulskinsfan you're stupid!!! JUST KIDDING MAN! :biggthump

I understand you're theory, and I respect where you're coming from. But let me ask you this. Don't you think we should give Ramsey at least a couple of weeks into the season to get comfortable with his receivers?

My theory on Ramsey is that he lacks confidence, and he needs more time to gain that. I think by week 2 if Ramsey is still making the same mistakes....then we should start worrying. But for now, I think he's still trying to gain some confidence.

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Ramsey in my opinion is not going to be the starter after this season... I have watched him play 2 preseason games so far & he's not showing me that he's ready to play in the NFL at the starting QB position.

I think he's still trying to win the game all on his own & that's a HUGE no-no..!! Throwing to WR's in the redzone that are blanketed is just flat out retarded. He's got 1st & 10 inside the 20 & he throws on 1st down an int. Now that tells me he's not even thinking about what he's doing ???? No calculating the next down or even thinking ahead 2 secs.

I like Ramsey as a competitor, but this is his 4th year & he's still playing like a rookie or at best a 2nd year sophmore. I'd like to see more of Campbell in the next 2 games with Ramsey & Brunell sharing the 1st halfs alone.

All in all, I don't expect the skins to win more than 7 games with Ramsey behind center, unless Gibbs system really can turn Ramsey's game around. Otherwise, we're going to start hearing chants for Campbell & that's not going to help Ramsey gain any more confidence,

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it's still has to be Ramsey for now, but it is nice to know from what we've seen so far, that if Brunnel is needed he can be relied on and last year was not the real Brunnel. and if absolutely neccesary, Cambell has shown good enough composure in the pocket and touch and zing on his passes to fill in some time late in the season. But unless Ramsey absolutely falls on his face, he's our starting qb.

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i'm sorry but i must've missed it. what exactly was the official excuse for Brunell stinking up ALL of last season?

i remember he was good last pre-season too, but what's the current reason going around for his sucky regular season? was it an injury? if so, why wasn't Ramsey put in earlier?

i'm not being facetious either, i really wanna know

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I think people are being a little quick to declare Ramsey's career in Washington ove based on these two preseason games. We have shown precisely [U]nothing[/U] to other teams, other than the shotgun formation. No trick plays, no special sets (other than the shotgun formation) - nothing.

We are running a "vanilla" set, while we learn what our players are capable of. Beat up Ramsey for the INTs if you want, but also admit that Brunell likely is throwing for 190 first half yards. Brunell averaged less than 133 yards per FULL GAME last year. That isn;t just bad for the passing game, it's bad for the running game as well. Having a QB who can stretch the field makes Portis's job a lot easier, too.

And honestly, as a defensive coordinator facing the Redskins, when you see Broughton, Cartwright or even Betts in the backfield (instead of Portis), you don't cheat your safeties up to the line, you leave them in pass coverage. That doesn't help Patrick.

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[QUOTE=illdefined]i'm sorry but i must've missed it. what exactly was the official excuse for Brunell stinking up ALL of last season?

i remember he was good last pre-season too, but what's the current reason going around for his sucky regular season? was it an injury? if so, why wasn't Ramsey put in earlier?

i'm not being facetious either, i really wanna know[/QUOTE]

Bad elbow....strained hamstring.

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[QUOTE=illdefined]i'm sorry but i must've missed it. what exactly was the official excuse for Brunell stinking up ALL of last season?

i remember he was good last pre-season too, but what's the current reason going around for his sucky regular season? was it an injury? if so, why wasn't Ramsey put in earlier?

i'm not being facetious either, i really wanna know[/QUOTE]
Actually, he wasn't that great in the preseason (26/46, 1 TD, 1 INT) - he was less crappy than everyone else.

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[QUOTE=Schneed10]I think he's just calling pass after pass because he's just trying to assess what works. He's probably trying to figure out which plays work and which don't. When the regular season comes, I think he'll call running plays about as often as he did last year. The only thing is he'll pick his spots to go deep this year, and he'll probably choose to use the plays that he sees working here in the preseason.[/QUOTE]

pretty much.

and a Redskins team in the Red Zone without Portis or Cooley isn't a Redskins offense, it's a schrimmage team practicing PASS PLAYS.

did no one notice we got more 20+yd pass plays in this one game than we did ALL last season? so did Gibbs just find Spurrier's playbook in the trash and adopt it or is he practicing execution for the newest part of his offense? c'mon guys think.

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[QUOTE=Redskins_P]Bad elbow....strained hamstring.[/QUOTE]

why would you start so many games with a 34 yr old QB with a bad throwing elbow and limited mobility when you have a healthy young backup with experience right there? much more likely, i think Gibbs is just trying to be kind to Brunell, getting some heat off him for last year.

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I voted for Ramsey. I feel we must give him 7 or 8 games if he is not showning improvment and if we are not winning its time to say good by to. If he is pulled as the starter we must go with Campbell and get him started as our starting QB. Forget about Brunell and trying to reach the playoffs. It will be the time to start preparing for our future and just hope were not having this conversation a few years from now about Campbell. I would love to see Ramsey her for many more years but he has to make his stand early in the season.

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I think the depth chart will be Ramsey, Brunell, and Campbell - but [u]if[/u] Ramsey can't finish the season (due to inefficiency), Campbell will get the start. If the season is still viable and the playoffs can be reached (which would likely mean that Ramsey was injured), then Brunell will play.

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I know that I've pointed this out before, but even though there are questions, I think we can all agree that both Ramsey and Brunell look much better than they did at this point last year. That makes me feel a little better.

I think the Ramsey is the starter going into the regular season. Brunell had trouble last year even before the hamstring so we can't just look at his performance this year against the second/third string.

That said, if Ramsey continues to throw the ball to the wrong guy in non pressure situations (i.e. first down inside the redzone) we have to start paying attention to that. There was another smart guy with a rifle arm who made poor decisions we got to look at a few years ago named Jeff George. We all can agree that we wouldn't want to see him again. Ramsey needs to show he can control himself when the urge to throw hits and the guy just isn't open. Right now, Gibbs will have to make calls to protect him from himself.

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I voted ramsey, cause, you can see that strides are being made to implemet a more aggressive passing attack and Ramsey is somewhat folloing through on that and that is encouraging, what is a little scary is all these 11-5, 10-6 predictions need to be scaled back. The more I see Ramsey, the more I see a work in progress - but right now, with out Portis, and the running game being used it is hard to get a good read.

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[QUOTE=GoSkins!]That said, if Ramsey continues to throw the ball to the wrong guy in non pressure situations (i.e. first down inside the redzone) we have to start paying attention to that.[/QUOTE]

the throw on first was a preseason experiment that wouldn't have happened like that with Portis and Cooley in the lineup. remember the priority in preseason is practice new stuff and see your limits, not WIN the game.

can't believe people are thinking Brunell already and booing Ramsey on the field. especially after throwing 190 yds in the first half without his key weapons. when did we get 190 yds in the air a GAME last season??

us Skins fans are as shellshocked as Ramsey after all these years, but at least he's actively breaking out of it! rejoice, see the improvement.

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I'm really happy for MB. The guy has had too good a career for last season's abysmal performance to be the last memories of him as a QB. He has shown this preseason that he can still play. He's checking off receivers, showing good mobility, and has nice zip and accuracy on his passes. I know it's against second stringers but he's also playing alongside a lot of second stringers. Instead of worrying that we have a QB controversy again, I think we should be happy that we have a backup in Brunell who still has it, or got it back at least.

However, as good as Brunell is playing, I still expect Ramsey to be the starter. On the positive side, he has a strong arm. He's hitting Patten and Moss on the deep routes, for the most part, and he's placing the ball where the receivers can catch the ball and run. And in his defense, he's not playing with arguably the two most important offensive players Portis and Cooley Also, I can't expect him to have the same improvising ability that Brunell has. Brunell has a decade more of NFL experience. However...the excuses are running out for Ramsey. His inconsistency is getting old fast. And I'm tired of hearing how "tough" he is, and how he still has doubts because of the lack of pass protection from Spurrier's offense. Enough already, he needs to step up and win the starting job, as opposed to not lose it. There's no sense of urgency it seems from him. My guess is he starts this season and does just well enough to hold onto the job, at least for the first half of the season. In 2006 he's gone and Brunell starts, unless Campbell is actually ready by then.

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IMHO Ramsey just needs to get his rhythym going. He's going to surprise everyone.

New WR's, different scheme, early days. Would I like to have seen the Skins come out on fire and light everyone up in pre-season? Yes and no. I want them to use the Preseason as a learning phase and be 'en fuego' for 19 games in 2005. That'll really make me happy.

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[QUOTE=illdefined]the throw on first was a preseason experiment that wouldn't have happened like that with Portis and Cooley in the lineup. remember the priority in preseason is practice new stuff and see your limits, not WIN the game.

can't believe people are thinking Brunell already and booing Ramsey on the field. especially after throwing 190 yds in the first half without his key weapons. when did we get 190 yds in the air a GAME last season??

us Skins fans are as shellshocked as Ramsey after all these years, but at least he's actively breaking out of it! rejoice, see the improvement.[/QUOTE]
Yeah...the booing from the fans at a preseason game was just ridiculous. What..are we turning into cryboy fans now? Eagirl fans? Let's cut that crap out. Bottom line is: Ramsey all the way. He was drafted under Spurrier and backed up studs like Shane Matthews and Danny Weurfell so there was nothing to learn there..no mentors. Then he gets thrust into the game against Tennessee and with nothing but his own mettle, wins the friggin' game even after being beaten to death.
He survives (barely) that "system" only to be injured, given a new system when Gibbs is hired and the new head coach brings in a veteran qb to challenge him as the incumbent starter. Oh...and then his best friend on the team and the team's best lineman goes down with an injury in the 1st preseason game. He gets thrust into the Giant game in week 2 (which was a lost cause) he throws 3 int's trying to fix the mess we were in and everyone wants to kill him. Jesus Christ!!!!! What do you people expect?? Marino went into an established system that had been in place for years with a good teacher in Don Strock to guide him. Significant? You bet. Same can be said for MOST other QB's that have had success...Brady, Roethlisberger, Mcnabb etc.
Patrick has had no stability. He has been beaten up physically, emotionally, spiritually and now from the fans. BUT... he is still plugging. I love this guys guts, determination and drive and willingness to not let it get him down. Hmmmm.."guts, determination, drive..." : these might be qualities I want in a QB.
Pat will be our starter for the whole year and I look forward to him showing why he will continue to be for years to come.
just my opinion...

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PR is the starter now but he wont be by week 4. Gibbs just will not put up with poor decision making and mistakes that PR continues to make in his 4th year in the league. Campbell is the QB of the future and if the season takes an unfortunate turn for the skins then look for Campbell to get lots of playing time so he will be better ready to be the starter next year.

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I agree that he's had his share of adversity, but if you don't have guts, determination and drive, you don't belong in the NFL in the first place. This is his do or die year and I fully expect him to "do".

However, if he just "kinda does" or "kinda doesn't" expect him to be gone next year. It's a contract year and there's a rookie waiting in the wings...

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The jury is still out on Ramsey, but the only way to find out if he's got it is to let him develop chemistry with these new WRs, get used to Joe's system, and to get comfortable with the revamped line. If all that occurs, and he still makes the bonehead TOs and misreads, he's gone. Week 8.

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[QUOTE=BrudLee]I think people are being a little quick to declare Ramsey's career in Washington ove based on these two preseason games. We have shown precisely [U]nothing[/U] to other teams, other than the shotgun formation. No trick plays, no special sets (other than the shotgun formation) - nothing.

We are running a "vanilla" set, while we learn what our players are capable of. Beat up Ramsey for the INTs if you want, but also admit that Brunell likely is throwing for 190 first half yards. Brunell averaged less than 133 yards per FULL GAME last year. That isn;t just bad for the passing game, it's bad for the running game as well. Having a QB who can stretch the field makes Portis's job a lot easier, too.

And honestly, as a defensive coordinator facing the Redskins, when you see Broughton, Cartwright or even Betts in the backfield (instead of Portis), you don't cheat your safeties up to the line, you leave them in pass coverage. That doesn't help Patrick.[/QUOTE]


Whether we stretch the field with the pass, or run the ball to force a team to over commit to the running game, one or the other has to happen, we have to be able to impose our will on a defense, in doing so force them to over commit allowing us an advantage either in the secondary with the passing game, or at the line of scrimmage with the running game, and that's what we are not seeing in pre-season, Gibbs is not going to show that, he's not going to allow continuity on offense until the games count, his play calling right now is to see how the line looks and take a look at the new backs, but primarily he wants to get the passing game going, so we are right now throwing more and without the ade of a real running game, my hope is that once the season starts we will be running the ball down teams throats, which will give Patrick a much easier time of it with the passing game. From what I have seen so far from our line I am very encouraged that they will be able to that in the opener.

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Like already said we haven't even played our 'real' game yet, this is preseason, this is trick play throw deep and see what you can get preseason. not that we have done trick plays or anything but we aren't playing our 'strategy'. Wait for atleast 4 real games before we just throw PR our of DC. Because remember that is what is being proposed by some because once he is out, he is out, no comming back, no drew brees no nothing he is gone and off to another team.

Just look at his last REAL games, the games that he played well. We are acting like this is the first time we have seen him, we are judging everything on two preseason games and many were judging him on one. Lets remember we went 3-2 last year at the end and even though Ramsey did throw a game ending INT in philly he played a very good game with over 250 yards, but then again he threw for 190 yards in a HALF during the preseason.
I was happy comming into the preseason and had faith in ramsey and no preseason game can break that

All i care about is the run, the run that we have hoped would improve. What i saw during the bengals game wasn't Ramsey doing bad, what i saw was ramsey streching the field, he streched the d, he removed 8 from the box, he created room. The DBs were playing off because no one is afraid of ladell just yet. This makes it harder for our friend patrick but there will be the right mix in the season of room and too much playing off, if we call the right plays at the right time there will be no stopping portis from 1700 yards and any team with a D this good and a running game that will get 1700 yards will go to the playoffs, so to act like this is a practice year for the future is giving up on the playoffs, We all know we were capable to make the playoffs last year with that piece of shit we called an offense, i don't think that we are any worse than last year, i don't recall 190 yard halfs, i don't recall 20+ yards per completion ON AVERAGE!! ON AVERAGE 20 yards.

I will be at the steelers game and i for one will be cheering ramsey, EXPECIALLY if he throws an INT.