Bye Bye Buckeye: Broncos set to release Clarett
 

I guess he'll have to pursue rookie of the year somewhere else. Talk about a waste of a 3rd round pick.

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What's interesting is that if the Skins had made that move for Clarett people would be calling for Snyder's/Gibbs'/Cerrato's collective heads. Just goes to show that even the best of FO are prone to making some personnel mistakes and blunders.

It's even starting to look like we got the best of the Champ/Portis deal. Champs a little nicked up right now, but only time will tell.

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Talk about a complete waste of talent. This is why the age limit is good. It gives time for guys who don't have the complete package, including talent, brains, heart and physical toughness, time to wash out. This the perfect example of a guy with decent skills but nothing in tank as far as brains and heart. And don't even get started on his toughness. Has he ever been injury free? Even his freshman year at OSU he got banged up.

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This doesn't surprise me in the least bit. I said before the draft there was no way he should have gone before round 6.......turns out even that was too high. I just think it's funny because I remember arguing with someone that said that Clarett "was twice the back that Larry Johnson is". :laughing2 Yah, they must have been right on that one.:smashfrea

On to the CFL Maurice.

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:laughing2 This is great news! I can't stand that ass-monkey Clarett. Despite all his knuckleheadedness at Ohio St after he was kicked off the team, I was actually interested to see how he would perform at the Combine.

And then that f*cktard decides he's too good to workout like all of the other players. I wrote him off right then.

I also heard that he passed on a signing bonus of ~$500K for a contract with up to $7Mil in "incentives" (I'm sure Denver made almost all of them unattainable - i.e. $1Mil if he doesn't say anything stupid to the media, $700K if shows up on time for practice everyday, etc...).

Irony is - if he had taken the bonus, that "hard money" would have made it a lot harder for Denver to drop him - because of the cap hit!

Honestly, I hope this butt-pirate doesn't get a contract in the NFL and has to play in some foreign league with Lawrence Phillips. Ha ha ha - Clarette is a joke! :laughing2

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a 410$ SB over 4 years isn't exactly the kind of job security that someone like brunell has been granted.

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[QUOTE=12thMan]It's even starting to look like we got the best of the Champ/Portis deal. Champs a little nicked up right now, but only time will tell.[/QUOTE]

portis was a bit knicked up too (elbow) :P... but seriously, I think the best way to look at that trade is who would you rather have, champ/trung or portis/springs?

that's oversimplifying it a bit (wouldn't have kept champ anyways, could have gotten a different back etc), but it makes it a very easy question ;) i was never a big champ fan anyways, and i love how CP is all heart.

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I wonder if this is the last we see of Clarett...he's gotta make a practice squad somewhere.

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[QUOTE=STPainmaker]I wonder if this is the last we see of Clarett...he's gotta make a practice squad somewhere.[/QUOTE]

I think we'll definitely see this kid - this year. As the season progresses and teams get nicked a little he may see some action.

But you have to wonder because Denver is running back factory, if he can't make it there then where?

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[QUOTE=That Guy]portis was a bit knicked up too (elbow) :P... but seriously, I think the best way to look at that trade is who would you rather have, champ/trung or portis/springs?

that's oversimplifying it a bit (wouldn't have kept champ anyways, could have gotten a different back etc), but it makes it a very easy question ;) i was never a big champ fan anyways, and i love how CP is all heart.[/QUOTE]

Yea, ditto on that. Portis is a beast and I get a sense that he enjoys being a Redskin. Perhaps the revolving door and chronic losing Baily experienced here may have had a negative effect him.

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[QUOTE=12thMan]What's interesting is that if the Skins had made that move for Clarett people would be calling for Snyder's/Gibbs'/Cerrato's collective heads. Just goes to show that even the best of FO are prone to making some personnel mistakes and blunders.

It's even starting to look like we got the best of the Champ/Portis deal. Champs a little nicked up right now, but only time will tell.[/QUOTE]


To be fair, the media has been quite critical of Shanahan's performance as GM in Denver, and I'm sure this will only fuel that fire. I think the difference in relation to the Skins is that Denver has been able to make the playoffs pretty consistently, whereas we have not. But this really does reek of unbelievable incompetence and just leaves me scratching my head.

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It is not incompetence. Shanahan has a pair of brass balls and is not afraid to cut a guy that has not been healthy enough to play in a single preseason game. He does not care what the media and fans say. Yet they go to the playoffs almost every year.

Redskins, on the other hand are afraid to admit when they are wrong and (for example) cut someone like Taylor Jacobs, who like Clarrett is never healthy. Freaking Michael Barrow is another example. We held on to him way too long.
That probably contributes to why we have been to the playoff once in 12 years.

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[QUOTE=Defensewins]It is not incompetence. Shanahan has a pair of brass balls and is not afraid to cut a guy that has not been healthy enough to play in a single preseason game. He does not care what the media and fans say. Yet they go to the playoffs almost every year.

Redskins, on the other hand are afraid to admit when they are wrong and (for example) cut someone like Taylor Jacobs, who like Clarrett is never healthy. Freaking Michael Barrow is another example. We held on to him way too long.
That probably contributes to why we have been to the playoff once in 12 years.[/QUOTE]


Barrow to long? 1 season?

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[QUOTE=Defensewins]It is not incompetence. Shanahan has a pair of brass balls and is not afraid to cut a guy that has not been healthy enough to play in a single preseason game. He does not care what the media and fans say. Yet they go to the playoffs almost every year.

Redskins, on the other hand are afraid to admit when they are wrong and (for example) cut someone like Taylor Jacobs, who like Clarrett is never healthy. Freaking Michael Barrow is another example. We held on to him way too long.
That probably contributes to why we have been to the playoff once in 12 years.[/QUOTE]

what about overpaying hasbeens and bad coaching? I think thats a bigger part of the problem then a couple low risk investments... i mean, barrow and jacobs really aren't/weren't making that much compared to bruce or deion.

they drafted three corners in the 3rd round and a RB no one else wanted till sometime in the 6th round... drafting that far off board for someone nobody wanted and then cutting him isn't brass balls, its f%^&ing stupid.

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[QUOTE=That Guy]what about overpaying hasbeens and bad coaching? I think thats a bigger part of the problem then a couple low risk investments... i mean, barrow and jacobs really aren't/weren't making that much compared to bruce or deion.

they drafted three corners in the 3rd round and a RB no one else wanted till sometime in the 6th round... drafting that far off board for someone nobody wanted and then cutting him isn't brass balls, its f%^&ing stupid.[/QUOTE]

Bruce, and Deion were the worst moves...extremely painful watching Bruce Smith play week after week. Deion was the only thing worse. :vomit-smi

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I think Shanahan is on the hot seat in Denver, and this latest gaffe doesn't help his cause very much.

You can call it balls, I say using a 3rd rounder on a RB who was slated to go in the 6th or 7th round plain dumb.

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[QUOTE=djnemo65]To be fair, the media has been quite critical of Shanahan's performance as GM in Denver, and I'm sure this will only fuel that fire. I think the difference in relation to the Skins is that Denver has been able to make the playoffs pretty consistently, whereas we have not. But this really does reek of unbelievable incompetence and just leaves me scratching my head.[/QUOTE]

Yeah I heard him taking quite a bit of criticism on the radio today, deservedly so.

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Fox sports (AP) on Shanahan, for what it's worth... [URL=http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/4064498] Shanahan admits to making mistake on Clarett[/URL]

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[QUOTE=offiss]Barrow to long? 1 season?[/QUOTE]

I agree with you that 1 year isn't too long, but it just seemed to really drag on and on... I think to most it probably felt more like 2 years because every week and even into camp this year they kept saying he's right around the corner from coming back.

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[QUOTE=offiss]Barrow to long? 1 season?[/QUOTE]

My problem with holding on to players like Barrow or Taylor Jacobs is they are taking up a valuable roster spot and salary cap space that could be used for a young developing player like the next Antonio Pierce or the next James Thrash. Gibbs' coaching staff is great at developing young talent. They do not have to be high draft picks. Keeping a guy like Taylor Jacobs just because he is a higher draft pick (2nd round) is exactly what I was referring to that Snyderratto can never admit to being wrong and just moving on. They take forever to cut certain guys that are a higher investment and have done nothing on the field in years...like Jacobs. Ladell Betts was in that same category, but he had a great year last year and is playing awesome this preseason. Jacobs continues on the same path, this time he hurt his toe in his sleep.

Regarding the Broncos and them cutting their draft picks....you need to put it into perspective ...when you have a talented squad, it is not easy for draft picks to make the team, especially anyone drafted lower than in the first round. The redskins had the same situation during their powerful super bowl years in the 80-90's. I am sure the New England patriots draft picks this year will have the same problem.
What is bad is if you have a losing team with no depth and your draft picks continue to fail.
The true measure of success is making the playoffs and winning a superbowl, NOT if your draft picks make the team. The Denver press and fans should shut up and enjoy rooting for a playoff team. They could have it worse....like only seeing the playoffs once in 12 years.

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In the Champ/Portis trade subject I believe the messurement will depend in how this year first round pick plays out (rogers) if he turns out to be all that, Washington got the better end of tha deal. Right now I say you're about even because you have a great back something you haven't been able to develop since davis but Davis wasn't that good of a back on your team (he did tear up Dallas D year after year I'll give you that but he didn't do much more, his best year was with the Panthers)

And Denver hasn't been able to produce a good CB. In fact, the real reason is that the broncos needed a great CB more than a great RB they have wasted first round picks in bust CB. Washington on the other hand has have the same problem at RB. So the Broncos new they could develop an average RB and turn him in to a quality RB and stop with the CB problem they have had.

Now If rRgers turns out to be a shout down corner and with springgs there you have a great secondary and a great HOF pace RB, and denver will have a great CB and a good/average RB that will get the job done but won't excell as portis did when he was there.

Now on the Clarett subject I agree with the cut sometimes you have to take your loses and learn form the mistakes you made, we just cut last year 2nd round pick T Jacob Rogers after 1 desapoting season and a injury plague preseason wich ended with an season ending surgery (he could have played and have the surgery at the end of the season).

Parcell just couldn't trust him he didn't take the pain, he didn't had the heart, he just had raw talent as clarett has but not the head and the vision, they think that beacuse they we're selected high they can cut them some slack, they don't get that becasue they we're selected higher they have to work harder and show more so they can prove why this team tought they we're worth more than the other 600 or 700 players after them.

And Rogers hurt us more beacuse of his signing bonus his hole 2005 season injury settlement and the 2004 season wich he just played 4 snaps thats like 3 mill going to the trash can, they made the good tough decision both of just let it go and "don't keep making good money turn 2 bad money"

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[QUOTE=D'BOYZ]In the Champ/Portis trade subject I believe the messurement will depend in how this year first round pick plays out (rogers) if he turns out to be all that, Washington got the better end of tha deal. Right now I say you're about even because you have a great back something you haven't been able to develop since davis but Davis wasn't that good of a back on your team (he did tear up Dallas D year after year I'll give you that but he didn't do much more, his best year was with the Panthers)[/QUOTE]

I have to dispute your take on Stephen Davis.

He had two seasons in Washington where he went over 1400 yards. He went for 1405 yards in '99 with 17 TDs, and 1432 yards in 2001 with 5 TDs. Both of those seasons are the two best seasons yardage-wise in a single season by a Redskin back. He also topped 1300 yards in 2000 with 1318 yards and 11 TDs.

His best season yardage-wise may have came with Carolina, but prior to that he was a very productive back for the Redskins and currently ranks 3rd overall in team history with 5790 yards.

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You're right the 99an '00 season were his most productive I wouldn't count the '01 season as verry productive because of the low amount of TD, but you're defently right he had great tenure in washington and could have racked up more if he didn't got injured that much.

I saw he only played 2 full seasons since he enter the league, And those 3 first years he didn't start also hurt his stats sheet a lot.