Falcons Cut Price - Are we interested?
 

I read on redskins.com (ticker) that the Falcons cut Peerless Price??? Ex- Williams guy, do we go get him?

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To be honest, he might be worth a look as long as we can sign him to a decent contract. He may not be a #1, or maybe the Falcons system didn't fit him, but no denying what he did as a #2. Could be a great slot receiver.

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[QUOTE=Daseal]To be honest, he might be worth a look as long as we can sign him to a decent contract. He may not be a #1, or maybe the Falcons system didn't fit him, but no denying what he did as a #2. Could be a great slot receiver.[/QUOTE]
I think he was cut primarily for financial reasons, but my gut feeling is that players cut this time of year usually have some baggage attached.

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That's true Brud. I doubt we'd get him under the terms that I'd want him, he'd have a contract heavily based on incentives.

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The only problem is his contract, I think I read somewhere that he's due $2M this year.

Anybody want a 3rd or 4th string WR for $2M?

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[b]Redskins | Price Draws no Immediate Interest[/b]
Tue, 30 Aug 2005 22:36:14 -0700

The Washington Post reports <A href="http://www.kffl.com/team/37/nfl">[color=#0000ff]Washington Redskins[/color] head coach [url="http://www.kffl.com/player/9143/nfl"][color=#0000ff]Joe Gibbs[/color][/url] did not rule out discussing free agent WR [url="http://www.kffl.com/player/225/nfl"][color=#0000ff]Peerless Price[/color][/url] (Falcons) with the scouting department. At this point, Price has generated no immediate interest from the Redskins.


[b]Redskins | Warrick Draws no Immediate Interest[/b]
Tue, 30 Aug 2005 22:29:14 -0700

The Washington Post reports <A href="http://www.kffl.com/team/37/nfl">[color=#0000ff]Washington Redskins[/color] head coach [url="http://www.kffl.com/player/9143/nfl"][color=#0000ff]Joe Gibbs[/color][/url] did not rule out discussing free agent WR [url="http://www.kffl.com/player/409/nfl"][color=#0000ff]Peter Warrick[/color][/url] (Bengals) with the scouting department. At this point, Warrick has generated no immediate interest from the Redskins.

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He was cut early for financial reasons & so he could sign with another team in time to perhaps start in week#1. They did him a favor since they knew they were not going to keep him through the season.
Peerless is a good WR, he was in a system that was not taylored to his style. Peerless is a downfield receiver who utilizes his speed, but with Vick & his tendencies to run & scrammble it made Peerless less attractive since they both were never in sync to start with.
Peerless need a pocket passing QB like Ramsey. I would totally give him a look, but I would not over spend on him. I would make him an offer based on performance. Let him earn his way back to a solid contract.

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Even though its early I think our offense has had enough chemistry problems that any position player of the caliber available would be at best a second half of the season impact player. I think the skins should focus on players in camp, and ready to play. I don't think we should avoid these players altogether but we should keep in mind that early in the season these WR's in particular may not help us.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]The only problem is his contract, I think I read somewhere that he's due $2M this year.

Anybody want a 3rd or 4th string WR for $2M?[/QUOTE]

I don't think we'd pick him up off waivers. I think if anything, we'd consider signing him once he became a free agent. And if we did that, it would only be for the minimum.

I doubt we end up with him.

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[QUOTE=Schneed10]I don't think we'd pick him up off waivers. I think if anything, we'd consider signing him once he became a free agent. And if we did that, it would only be for the minimum.

I doubt we end up with him.[/QUOTE]

That's if he clears waivers, which he might not.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]That's if he clears waivers, which he might not.[/QUOTE]

Who's going to take him with that contract....?

When they can wait until he clears & then bid.... :coach:

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I am pissed that our cap situation has been mismanaged so that we have no money to sign anyone at this time.
I have said a million times that this is the best time of year to get some real bargains. But Snyderatto, who in the past just gave away Redskins Salary cap money, have spent us into a tight situation.
I am amazed the the eagles have more than $5m under the cap.

My only concern is he will go with the Eagles, (who have a ton of cap space) or the Cowboys who have Bledsoe.

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Falcons Cut Price? are they for sale? i could see both Gibbs and Snyder interested in buying that team.

*sorry, couldn't bite my lip any longer*

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While Peerless could be just fine in the role that many of us have envisioned Taylor Jacobs playing, I think I'd stick with what we have.

What confuses me is how we complain every year about fiscal irresponsibility and lack of stability and team chemistry. And yet here we are with the regular season just 10 days away and again we're talking about spending money to bring someone in at the last minute. Let's just let the players who have been with us all preseason grow.

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[QUOTE=TAFKAS]While Peerless could be just fine in the role that many of us have envisioned Taylor Jacobs playing, I think I'd stick with what we have.

What confuses me is how we complain every year about fiscal irresponsibility and lack of stability and team chemistry. And yet here we are with the regular season just 10 days away and again we're talking about spending money to bring someone in at the last minute. Let's just let the players who have been with us all preseason grow.[/QUOTE]


I agree. Good post hermano TAFKAS. :biggthump

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]That's if he clears waivers, which he might not.[/QUOTE]
I'm pretty sure he'll clear waivers. If I'm not mistaken, he has some roster bonuses built into his contract for next year. While that may be attractive for a team (since they could cut him next year and avoid the bonuses), I'm sure he's resistant to the idea of playing out that deal without a renegotiation.

Though this will ultimately be Gibbs's call, I'm sure Gregg Williams has his ear about Price's practice habits and demeanor, if not his skills.

One of the reasons I think a Price signing will ultimately not happen is a quote of Price's from earlier this offseason. When he was asked about his lack of productivity and chemistry with his quarterback, his comment was (paraphrasing) "Look at the tape." Basically, he was saying he got open, and it was the QBs fault if he didn't get the ball.

My problems with this statement are numerous: [list][*]What kind of teammate throws his QB under the bus like that?[*]According to [I]Stats Inc[/I]., you had a 5.26% droppped pass rate. Was that the QBs fault?[*]In 2003, when Vick (the guy who's [i]really[/i] at fault) was sidelined with an injury, your numbers weren't dramatically higher. You went from averaging 13.1 yds per catch to 12.8 yds per catch. Is Schaub the problem as well?[/list]
Bottom line is Price, though relatively healthy the past two years (listed as [i]Doubtful[/i] once and [i]Questionable[/i] four times), has 6 TDs and [u]one[/u] 100 yard game in two years. That makes him a role player - he actually compares (and not favorably) to James Thrash in his last two years in Philadelphia (8 TDs, 1 100 yard game). As much as I love Thrash as a player, I'd drop him in a minute if he smack-talked our third string QB, much less the face of our franchise.

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[QUOTE=TAFKAS]While Peerless could be just fine in the role that many of us have envisioned Taylor Jacobs playing, I think I'd stick with what we have.

What confuses me is how we complain every year about fiscal irresponsibility and lack of stability and team chemistry. And yet here we are with the regular season just 10 days away and again we're talking about spending money to bring someone in at the last minute. Let's just let the players who have been with us all preseason grow.[/QUOTE]

I don't get it either.

I chalk it up to that 'Madden' mentality that was our MO for the first few years under Snyder.

Let's leave well enough alone. No need to jump on every free agent that hits the wire. Those days are over, thankfully.

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[QUOTE=BrudLee] [list][*]According to [i]Stats Inc[/i]., you had a 5.26% droppped pass rate. Was that the QBs fault?[*]In 2003, when Vick (the guy who's [i]really[/i] at fault) was sidelined with an injury, your numbers weren't dramatically higher. You went from averaging 13.1 yds per catch to 12.8 yds per catch. Is Schaub the problem as well?[/list].[/QUOTE]

I'm curios about these statements the first 1 is droping 5 passes out of 100 high in the NFL I really don't know. Can you make a comparison with other receivers.

And on the second point I don't care so much as the yard per cach but to how many catches he had with Schaub and totalyards vs how much he had with Vick..... Because that's what he has said not that he dosen't get more yards per catch but that Vick didn't trew him the ball that much.

and if he got open with Schaub he got open with Vick he just didn't throw him the ball because lets face it even thought Vick is an electricfying player his an average QB at best has a lot of talent arm strength he has 0 accuracy and trust he quits to easy and runs he dosen't waith for the play to develop or does't make pases knowing than when the pass will arriave his receiver will be open so thats why I whant to know how he did with schaub .

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[QUOTE=TAFKAS]While Peerless could be just fine in the role that many of us have envisioned Taylor Jacobs playing, I think I'd stick with what we have.

What confuses me is how we complain every year about fiscal irresponsibility and lack of stability and team chemistry. And yet here we are with the regular season just 10 days away and again we're talking about spending money to bring someone in at the last minute. Let's just let the players who have been with us all preseason grow.[/QUOTE]

Couldn't have said it better myself, so I won't try....

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[QUOTE=TAFKAS]

What confuses me is how we complain every year about fiscal irresponsibility and lack of stability and team chemistry. And yet here we are with the regular season just 10 days away and again we're talking about spending money to bring someone in at the last minute. Let's just let the players who have been with us all preseason grow.[/QUOTE]

So you are against improving the player talent of the team just so we can have good team chemistry? That would be fine if we had a talented playoff team, but we still have weakness' in some areas of our roster.
Exactly how is adding one talented player going hurt team chemistry?
A veteran NFL player like Price can come and play the next day. This is football not rocket science

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What I'm saying is inevitably when a big name player is released we shouldn't be so quick to jump all over that player. The Falcons are a talented playoff team, yet if you were to point out an area where they are weak it's probably at wide receiver. Yet Price was apparently not good enough for Atlanta to keep him.

And no, it's not rocket science, but Ramsey (and Brunell) has been working all offseason with new receivers Patten, Moss, and to a lesser extent Brown. There's no need, in my humble opinion, to bring someone else on board now.

Confucius say "Piling up on talented players does not a winning team always make"

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[QUOTE=TAFKAS]While Peerless could be just fine in the role that many of us have envisioned Taylor Jacobs playing, I think I'd stick with what we have.

What confuses me is how we complain every year about fiscal irresponsibility and lack of stability and team chemistry. And yet here we are with the regular season just 10 days away and again we're talking about spending money to bring someone in at the last minute. Let's just let the players who have been with us all preseason grow.[/QUOTE]

I don't think we should sign Price. But, I do take issue with the team's fiscal irresponsibility. That irresponsibility is what led, in part, to our inability to re-sign guys like Pierce and Smoot and that led to some change in the roster and the loss of "core Redskins."

It also led to your name change. :)

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Didn't want the guy when he was a free agent, don't want him now. I think he will winde up either back in buffalo, or in dallas, I think if we are to bring in another reciever Warrick should be the guy, I just felt coming out of college he was going to be a flat out star, obviously that didn't pan out, but in the right situation he might finally blossom, defiently worth a look see if he's willing.

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[QUOTE=D'BOYZ]
[QUOTE=BrudLee] [list][*]According to [i]Stats Inc[/i]., you had a 5.26% droppped pass rate. Was that the QBs fault?[*]In 2003, when Vick (the guy who's [i]really[/i] at fault) was sidelined with an injury, your numbers weren't dramatically higher. You went from averaging 13.1 yds per catch to 12.8 yds per catch. Is Schaub the problem as well?[/list].[/QUOTE]

I'm curious about these statements the first 1 is droping 5 passes out of 100 high in the NFL I really don't know. Can you make a comparison with other receivers.

And on the second point I don't care so much as the yard per cach but to how many catches he had with Schaub and totalyards vs how much he had with Vick..... Because that's what he has said not that he dosen't get more yards per catch but that Vick didn't trew him the ball that much.

and if he got open with Schaub he got open with Vick he just didn't throw him the ball because lets face it even thought Vick is an electricfying player his an average QB at best has a lot of talent arm strength he has 0 accuracy and trust he quits to easy and runs he dosen't waith for the play to develop or does't make pases knowing than when the pass will arriave his receiver will be open so thats why I whant to know how he did with schaub .[/QUOTE]

Fair enough. It's a misleading stat. To clear it up:

Out of 106 passes where Price was the target in 2004, he caught 45 passes and dropped 5 balls deemed "catchable". My understanding is that's a ball he got his hands on in front of his body. There are still 56 balls where either the pass was off target, or he wasn't in the right place.

In 2003, he had 141 passes thrown to him, and he caught 64. He had 8 "official" drops, meaning 69 balls were not catchable for one reason or another.

The percentage of drops to passes in area is 5.26%. However, the drops to catches ratio is [B]11.9%[/B]. Compare that to another recent "#2 switching to #1" in Mushin Muhammad. His first season as a lead receiver (last year) had a 6.7% ratio, and his two-year average is 7.5%.

As for Vick vs. Schaub - there is a point there. Price averaged 4.25 receptions per game with Schaub, versus 2.86 with Vick. Neither one of those numbers in Canton-material, but there is a drop-off. However, as a member of the Atlanta Falcons football organization, you have to be poigniantly aware that Mike Vick is the face of your franchise, and its most important member. Backhanded requests to start his less-than-capable backup will be looked upon with disfavor.

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Price has had just one year with #1 receiver numbers--2002. Every other year of his career is comparable to Rod Gardner's numbers. Why would we WANT to sign him. I'm happy with what I've seen from Patten, Thrash, Brown and Jacobs. Any of them would make a fine #2 to Moss and we won't be in any more salary cap purgatory. Let our guys play. Worry about another receiver in the offseason.

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[QUOTE=Ramseyfan]I don't think we should sign Price. But, I do take issue with the team's fiscal irresponsibility. That irresponsibility is what led, in part, to our inability to re-sign guys like Pierce and Smoot and that led to some change in the roster and the loss of "core Redskins."

It also led to your name change. :)[/QUOTE]


Thank you!

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[QUOTE=TAFKAS]What I'm saying is inevitably when a big name player is released we shouldn't be so quick to jump all over that player. The Falcons are a talented playoff team, yet if you were to point out an area where they are weak it's probably at wide receiver. Yet Price was apparently not good enough for Atlanta to keep him.

And no, it's not rocket science, but Ramsey (and Brunell) has been working all offseason with new receivers Patten, Moss, and to a lesser extent Brown. There's no need, in my humble opinion, to bring someone else on board now.

Confucius say "Piling up on talented players does not a winning team always make"[/QUOTE]

I do not want the redskins to pick big name/expensive players. I never said that. I do want them to pick up talented bargain price players. We have no salary cap space to do so if one became available.

Alanta did not release Price because he in not a good receiver. They released him because they over paid him and they did not find Price worth the large amount of money due him. Signing Peerless Price at a much lower price would not be a bad pick up for him to be a #2 or #3 WR..

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[QUOTE=Sociofan]Price has had just one year with #1 receiver numbers--2002. Every other year of his career is comparable to Rod Gardner's numbers. Why would we WANT to sign him. I'm happy with what I've seen from Patten, Thrash, Brown and Jacobs. Any of them would make a fine #2 to Moss and we won't be in any more salary cap purgatory. Let our guys play. Worry about another receiver in the offseason.[/QUOTE]

What have you seen from Jacobs that makes you happy? The other guys have shown their worth on the regular season playing field, Jacobs has not.

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[QUOTE=Sociofan]Price has had just one year with #1 receiver numbers--2002. Every other year of his career is comparable to Rod Gardner's numbers. Why would we WANT to sign him. I'm happy with what I've seen from Patten, Thrash, Brown and [b][u]Jacobs.[/u][/b] Any of them would make a fine #2 to Moss and we won't be in any more salary cap purgatory. Let our guys play. Worry about another receiver in the offseason.[/QUOTE]

You got to see Jacobs play? WOW, what was it like? Was it in college, cause it certainly wasn't in the pros. I think we should give Jacobs a nickname, remember the movie "A Christmas Story" when the father gets that lamp that looks like a woman's leg in a fish net stocking. When he gets the box he says it must be from France because its marked "FRAGILE" (Frageeleee Jacobs). Nice.

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[QUOTE=paulskinsfan]You got to see Jacobs play? WOW, what was it like? Was it in college, cause it certainly wasn't in the pros. I think we should give Jacobs a nickname, remember the movie "A Christmas Story" when the father gets that lamp that looks like a woman's leg in a fish net stocking. When he gets the box he says it must be from France because its marked "FRAGILE" (Frageeleee Jacobs). Nice.[/QUOTE]

Did you read on the WP that the redskins have anounced that Jacobs will miss another week and miss this final preseason game. He missed the entire training camp and preseason. I heard he hurt his toe when he tripped on his skirt at home.

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[QUOTE=Defensewins]Did you read on the WP that the redskins have anounced that Jacobs will miss another week and miss this final preseason game. He missed the entire training camp and preseason. I heard he hurt his toe when he tripped on his skirt at home.[/QUOTE]

LOL. I wonder if he takes a piss standing up? Hell if he actually takes the field and DOES something this season I may get the Redskins replica #84 with "FRAGEELEE" on the back.

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[QUOTE=paulskinsfan]You got to see Jacobs play? WOW, what was it like? Was it in college, cause it certainly wasn't in the pros. I think we should give Jacobs a nickname, remember the movie "A Christmas Story" when the father gets that lamp that looks like a woman's leg in a fish net stocking. When he gets the box he says it must be from France because its marked "FRAGILE" (Frageeleee Jacobs). Nice.[/QUOTE]

Okay, okay. Point noted. I just recall that late last season he got into some games and had a few spectacular catches. It was enough to make me want to see more in a Redskin uniform before putting him in someone else's uniform. I agree that the constant injury bug is getting to be a bit tiresome, but hey, he's only $761K versus $2M for Price. And I still don't see Price putting up big time numbers with anyone as a #1. He benefitted from Eric Moulds in Buffalo....sort of like Scottie Pippin benefitted from MJ. Pippin on his own? Just didn't work out.

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Yeah, Jacobs is cheap, I just don't know at what point we throw in the towel. I think everyone will agree that Price is this generation's Alvin Harper, a great No. 2, but nowhere near a No. 1 receiver.

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[QUOTE=BrudLee]Fair enough. It's a misleading stat. To clear it up:

Out of 106 passes where Price was the target in 2004, he caught 45 passes and dropped 5 balls deemed "catchable". My understanding is that's a ball he got his hands on in front of his body. There are still 56 balls where either the pass was off target, or he wasn't in the right place.

In 2003, he had 141 passes thrown to him, and he caught 64. He had 8 "official" drops, meaning 69 balls were not catchable for one reason or another.

The percentage of drops to passes in area is 5.26%. However, the drops to catches ratio is [b]11.9%[/b]. Compare that to another recent "#2 switching to #1" in Mushin Muhammad. His first season as a lead receiver (last year) had a 6.7% ratio, and his two-year average is 7.5%.

As for Vick vs. Schaub - there is a point there. Price averaged 4.25 receptions per game with Schaub, versus 2.86 with Vick. Neither one of those numbers in Canton-material, but there is a drop-off. However, as a member of the Atlanta Falcons football organization, you have to be poigniantly aware that Mike Vick is the face of your franchise, and its most important member. Backhanded requests to start his less-than-capable backup will be looked upon with disfavor.[/QUOTE]

BrudLee first of all thxs for clearing that up and basing in your statement Price drops less balls than another #2 now #1 receiver he dosen't have the best hand but he is dependable you know he will probably cach it if you trow it to him, and with the second point we can se clearly he didn't received so many balls with Vick.

Now I know Vick is the face of the Falcons and the player thats bringing all the money to the owner, but if I see it on Price side he was getting frustrated of Vick not trowing him the ball getting all the glory and him been declared a bust and 1 of the worst if not the worst signing of the falcons free agency history. I guess that's why he made those comments and maybe didn't wanted to play on the preseason because he wanted out he new thsi won't change vick won't become a great "passer" over night maybe he will but I think Price just grew tired of waiting and dindn't want to waste another sub-par year.

my 2 cents