What’s with Minnesota?
 

They got it handed to them two weeks in a row.
I thought they shored up their defense in the off season.

Maybe they need Randy. Smoot might be wishing he was back in DC.

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I hate to be the stick in the mud but, who cares? Troy Williamson was supposed to fill the void left by Moss. Not the case so far. But I'll say this. Maybe this is the type of season MIN needs to be a contender in the playoffs. I mean, this is a team that has gotten off to a great start the past few seasons before going on a free fall at regular season's end. You have to be playing your best ball going into the playoffs. So don't write this team off just yet. :oink:

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[QUOTE=BossHog]I hate to be the stick in the mud but, who cares? :oink:[/QUOTE]

True, True, I was just thinking about old Smooty.

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It's all about Randy Moss. Like it or not, a player like Moss, if you like him or not, makes you respect the pass. He pulls a safety with him no matter what, he opens up your other receivers and RBs. Daunte Culpepper is getting picked apart, and this is why I thought the Vikes were going to try for a brusing RB.

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moss is gone, culpepper suddenly sucks horribly

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well i posted this in another thread but it belongs here:

I don't like the vikings by the way

poor little stupid smoot, he went to a worser defense for more money, now he is on a team that can't score an offensive poing. Poor little stupid smoot, he talked some trash this week, then chad johnson called him out, then chad gets over 125 yards and a touchdown(on my fantasy team) and proves smoot is a great number two but average number one. Poor little stupid smoot almost made the probowl last year and now is on a team that gave up over 500 yards this week. Poor little stupid smoot

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Look at Tice the guys press conferences are like bad imitations of John Wayne he tries to be this tough guy. He just doesn't seem terribly sophisticated. He also got busted scalping his league supplied super bowl tix last year. I know they lost moss, and the o coordinator but I think you lead from the top and Tice just doesn't seem top flight.
He had some early success with great talent and now I think people are on top of their schemes.

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[QUOTE=rickmmrr]True, True, I was just thinking about old Smooty.[/QUOTE]

Smoot'll be OK. MIN seems to have problems running the ball without Moss. And Culpepper was stripped of the often used 'just-throw-it-up-and-go-get' play that was a staple in their offense. Now they have to rely on longer drives and smarter reads which is probably why he threw five INTs today. And throw in the fact that 2-3 guys in the secondary don't have to spy on Moss (as they do), the running game isn't as effective. :oink:

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[QUOTE=BigSKINBauer]well i posted this in another thread but it belongs here:

I don't like the vikings by the way

poor little stupid smoot, he went to a worser defense for more money, now he is on a team that can't score an offensive point...Poor little stupid smoot almost made the probowl last year and now is on a team that gave up over 500 yards this week. Poor little stupid smoot[/QUOTE]Very poetic. :oink:

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[QUOTE=BigSKINBauer]well i posted this in another thread but it belongs here:

I don't like the vikings by the way

poor little stupid smoot, he went to a worser defense for more money, now he is on a team that can't score an offensive poing. Poor little stupid smoot, he talked some trash this week, then chad johnson called him out, then chad gets over 125 yards and a touchdown(on my fantasy team) and proves smoot is a great number two but average number one. Poor little stupid smoot almost made the probowl last year and now is on a team that gave up over 500 yards this week. Poor little stupid smoot[/QUOTE]

:laughing-

Enjoy your new team Smooty............

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On the subject of the NFC North, which looks like it is completely up for grabs, who do you guys think is the favorite. I have to say the Bears D is for real, the guys in my fantasy league think that I was a nut case for drafting them, of course I got Skins D as well....wishing now I started Da Bears this week. Anyhow, what does everyone think, I am out to lunch thinking Chicago looks like the best team in the NFC North right now?

Also how long before all of the pundits jump off the Minnesota and Arizona band wagons, since the pundits were all touting those two teams before the season started? If the Redskins are not ranked above those two teams in the so called Power Rankings, it will just confirm that those rankings are manure. I can't believe people would get hyped on Arizona, all I have to say is, "Bidwell Brothers". Everyone rips on Snyder, but at least he will pay whatever it takes to win.

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[quote]poor little stupid smoot, he went to a worser defense for more money, now he is on a team that can't score an offensive poing. Poor little stupid smoot, he talked some trash this week, then chad johnson called him out, then chad gets over 125 yards and a touchdown(on my fantasy team) and proves smoot is a great number two but average number one. Poor little stupid smoot almost made the probowl last year and now is on a team that gave up over 500 yards this week. Poor little stupid smoot[/quote]

Poor smoot wasn't appreciated enough in Washington for him to actually get the pay he so deserved after his hard play. I know he's used to being on a team that lights the score board up.... oh.. wait.

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I'm so glad that the dilemmas that have plagued the Redskins are finally start to rear its ugly head on other teams. Minnesota recruited Smoot, Sharper, Robinson and Travis Taylor. There is no chemistry on the defense and Culpepper doesn't have a big target like Moss.

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[QUOTE=Daseal]Poor smoot wasn't appreciated enough in Washington for him to actually get the pay he so deserved after his hard play. I know he's used to being on a team that lights the score board up.... oh.. wait.[/QUOTE]
yes sir, he wasn't offered enough money, i agree. He made a choice, go to a defense that was considered among the leagues worst and assume a harder and more important role or stay with a team who had surpassed all expectations. He made a choice, more money and a defense that wasn't as good. It is pretty fair to me, he made a choice. He is living with that choice. His D gave up 500 yards in the last game and the redskins who gave up less than a third of that in their last game. He however must have eaten a better meal and must be sleeping in a more comfey bed tonight with that "up front" money he is making.
He is living with the good and the bad. Maybe POOR little smoot is the wrong choice of words, maybe rich sellout suckass smoot is better?

Well it is more of the same lighting up the score board for him, his offense if you could call it his got less yards an fewer points than the redskins did in their last game against a defense that i truly believe is worse. There are players who will stick by a team that can make a name for them and there is the rich sellout suckass smoot type

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Big Skin ~ EXCELLENT POST, could not of said it better. Enjoy the room with a view Smooty baby.

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I always will be a fan of Fred Smoot..he's just one of those guys you can't help to like. But, as it has been brought up several times before, Springs had the better stats last year I believe. At one point, ya gotta choose which argument you're gonna stick with....the fact that the Redskins have not been fiscally responsible in recent years and that it needs changing, or that whatever the cost, you pay every demanding potiental "star" what they are asking for.

Time will tell if the absence of Smoot will hurt us....so far it hasn't.

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[QUOTE=BigSKINBauer]...
poor little stupid smoot, he went to a [B]worser[/B] defense for more money, [B]now he is on a team that can't score an offensive poing[/B]. Poor little [B]stupid[/B] smoot, he talked some trash this week, then chad johnson called him out, then chad gets over 125 yards and a touchdown(on my fantasy team) and proves smoot is a great number two but average number one. Poor little stupid smoot almost made the probowl last year and now is on a team that gave up over 500 yards this week. Poor little stupid smoot[/QUOTE]

oh the irony.

CJ lit up winfield not smoot.
last i checked the skins havent scored a TD either

worser? *giggles like a school girl*

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[QUOTE=jamf]oh the irony.

CJ lit up winfield not smoot.
last i checked the skins havent scored a TD either

worser? *giggles like a school girl*[/QUOTE]

i am sorry i will start spell checking my posts, I love when people attack grammatical problems in somones post because it is a really dumb ass thing to do, its when you have little left to say and you fill it with something you think will make the other person mad. Ironically it is a type of thing "a school girl" would do.

Smoot went to a team that has a bad defense, last i checked he does play defense. He chose money over the chance to be on a dominant defense. That is the definition of sell out to me.

Also if you highlighted stupid and said "oh the irony" to say that i was stupid then i have nothing really to say to you. Everyone has an opinion and i think i usually stick to that and don't insult other members but i won't get too upset about it.

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I had the vikings D on my fantasy team and decided to start them. My only hope now is that Tynes the chiefs kicker scores 22 points.

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well i have terrible grammer so i shouldnt correct anyone, but worser is the grammatical errors of grammatical errors :) i didnt mean it as an attac. sorry if you were offended. please forgive me, i am having a bad week, i just realized i have culpepper on my fantasy football teams :(

but i do disagree with your post. both of them.
smoot isnt a sell out, he is taking care of his finances. 3 million is alot for anyone.

sure the D gave up 500yards but when the offence turns the ball over 5 times it is expected. if brunell throws 5 ints, the skins will give up 500 yards too.

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i think minnesota is finally learning the "you can't just sign a bunch of high profile free agents and expect to win" rule. the redskins know that rule through and through.

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[QUOTE=jamf]well i have terrible grammer so i shouldnt correct anyone, but [b]worser is the grammatical errors [/b]of grammatical errors :) i didnt mean it as an attac. sorry if you were offended. please forgive me, i am having a bad week, i just realized i have culpepper on my fantasy football teams :(

but i do disagree with your post. both of them.
smoot isnt a sell out, he is taking care of his finances. 3 million is alot for anyone.

sure the D gave up 500yards but when the offence turns the ball over 5 times it is expected. if brunell throws 5 ints, the skins will give up 500 yards too.[/QUOTE]you r forgiven it has been a long week for redskins fans and week 2 isn't even over for us yet. i must point out one grammatical error by you to be fair, no s on errors, but i agree worser is the "worser" of the two. I too have culpepper so i did think that their offense would be good, maybe they need moss.
Got Moss?
[QUOTE=mooby]i think minnesota is finally learning the "you can't just sign a bunch of high profile free agents and expect to win" rule. the redskins know that rule through and through.[/QUOTE]
Yes if mike tice has any questions about signing high profile people he can just ask redskin fans:Flush:

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[QUOTE=DirtBagZ]On the subject of the NFC North, which looks like it is completely up for grabs, who do you guys think is the favorite. I have to say the Bears D is for real, the guys in my fantasy league think that I was a nut case for drafting them, of course I got Skins D as well....wishing now I started Da Bears this week. Anyhow, what does everyone think, I am out to lunch thinking Chicago looks like the best team in the NFC North right now?

Also how long before all of the pundits jump off the Minnesota and Arizona band wagons, since the pundits were all touting those two teams before the season started? If the Redskins are not ranked above those two teams in the so called Power Rankings, it will just confirm that those rankings are manure. I can't believe people would get hyped on Arizona, all I have to say is, "Bidwell Brothers". Everyone rips on Snyder, but at least he will pay whatever it takes to win.[/QUOTE]

I'm sorry, but I'm jumping on the Chicago bandwagon. I don't think they are Super Bowl contenders or anything but I think they could very well be the best in that division. I also think Kyle Orton will improve as the season goes along. Think about it, will he face a more formidable defense for the rest of the year than ours? Maybe not - and the kid did decent.

As far as the Vikings go, you can cut it, slice it or dice it anyway you want, they miss Moss bigtime! The thing about a Randy Moss is you have to plan your whole game around him and now he's gone. So D coordinators now have their work reduced significantly, IMO. Also consider this, when Culpepper and Moss were on fire last year that changed the way the defense played because offenses were forced to play at a different tempo because of Culpepper/Moss constantly putting points on the board. That's not the case now. So all the cracks in their defense are even more evident now.

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RANDY MOSS is the best reciever in the NFL and this proves it. I'm glad because they were idiots to get rid of him in the first place!

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MINNESOTA? - They imitate our old ways of buying FA.
glad for us we already know our mistakes

that was ineffective and costly
go skins

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another huge missing peice for the Vikings is their starting center which may not mean much to some teams, but Matt Birk leads that line against the run and pass defenses and anytime you are missing the leader at a position, it's gonna hurt. And as of now the trade of moss is hurting them almost as much as all of their defensive "upgrades." I know I was one who thought their team had made improvements to the recieving corp and the defensive unit to make up for the loss of Moss and finally get them over the hurdle, but as of now that definitely isn't the case. But the season is still young and they have 14 games left. Plus one thing about this game that I didn't notice anyone say is instead of looking at how bad the Vikes are, how about how quickly Marvin Lewis has vastly improved the Bengals. Palmer, Johnson, and Johnson are a possible Manning, James, Harrison type trio in the making.

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[QUOTE=diehardskin2982]RANDY MOSS is the best reciever in the NFL and this proves it. I'm glad because they were idiots to get rid of him in the first place![/QUOTE]

it was obvious that he had worn out his welcome with the Vikes with all of his off and on the field antics. And while they'll never replace him with a single player talent wise, I know I hope and pray the Skins never have anyone on their roster like him or owens. Plus it's not like having Moss on their team ever got the Vikes to the big dance either.

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Simply put, they don't have Randy "Just Throw It" Moss! They weren't good last year and they certainly won't be good with Randy gone. I had them marked as an 7-9 teams when the season started.

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Not just Minnesota, but how about them Packers? Among those two plus the Ravens I'm not sure which is the most disappointing team so far. Probably Minnesota just because of all the pre-season hype.

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[QUOTE=TAFKAS]Not just Minnesota, but how about them Packers? Among those two plus the Ravens I'm not sure which is the most disappointing team so far. Probably Minnesota just because of all the pre-season hype.[/QUOTE]

7-9 may win the Norris division.

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[QUOTE=BigSKINBauer]well i posted this in another thread but it belongs here:

I don't like the vikings by the way

poor little stupid smoot, he went to a worser defense for more money, now he is on a team that can't score an offensive poing. Poor little stupid smoot, he talked some trash this week, then chad johnson called him out, then chad gets over 125 yards and a touchdown(on my fantasy team) and proves smoot is a great number two but average number one. Poor little stupid smoot almost made the probowl last year and now is on a team that gave up over 500 yards this week. Poor little stupid smoot[/QUOTE]

isnt antoine winfield the #1 there

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[QUOTE=Big C]isnt antoine winfield the #1 there[/QUOTE]

it still seemed to be Smoot covering Johnson a lot. maybe the do the same thing M. Lewis did while here by just having one cb take whoever lined up on one side of the field. All I know is that Smoot was the one burnt on that 70 yard bomb to C. J. on Cincinnati's 2nd offensive snap.

also with the vikes, didn't they lose their offensive coordinator 2?

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I think it's funny the way Randy has impacted two teams this year. the vikings AND raiders are both 0-2!

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[QUOTE=Wanga Skins]I think it's funny the way Randy has impacted two teams this year. the vikings AND raiders are both 0-2![/QUOTE]

guess he really is a loser... but he's so talented :P

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[QUOTE=That Guy]guess he really is a loser... but he's so talented :P[/QUOTE]
maybe the raiders will trade randy for t.o. and losing will continue? how bout it?

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They're missing Matt Birk and Randy Moss, that's their big problem. Daseal mentioned it already, Moss opens up so much of the field just like TO does. Look at McNabb's accuracy stats before and after TO's arrival. It's like night and day, he has so much more space to throw into now because coverages roll to TO. Now Culpepper has lost that with Moss. To make matters worse, without Matt Birk they're about as effective at running the ball as we were last year with Raymer.

Some people were picking the Vikings for the Super Bowl. I just couldn't understand that. I don't understand how you can lose a WR that good and expect to be a better team, even if you did upgrade your D.

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SkinsFan I'm pretty sure it was 26 winfield that got burned on the chad johnson deepball

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[QUOTE=Schneed10]Some people were picking the Vikings for the Super Bowl. I just couldn't understand that. I don't understand how you can lose a WR that good and expect to be a better team, even if you did upgrade your D.[/QUOTE]

I didn't get that pick either.

The Vikes and Cards were media darlings in the preseason and the two trendy picks for having big seasons. Of course there's still 14 games to go and anything can happen, but I don't see it.

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[QUOTE=PFunk26]SkinsFan I'm pretty sure it was 26 winfield that got burned on the chad johnson deepball[/QUOTE]

I've only seen the clip once, but I heard them saying something about Smoot and Johnson talking trash before the game so I put 2 and 2 together but I'll try to catch it again before I leave for work to see if u r right.

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8-8 will almost certainly win the NFC North; and if a team won it at 7-9, I would not be shocked. That's why it MIGHT be a bit early for our trash-talk to be aimed at Mr. Smoot. I would REALLY be shocked if 8-8 or 7-9 would win the NFC East so he is probably still more likely to be on a division winner than any of the Redskins' players are. And division winners go to the playoffs no matter what their record...

The loss of Randy Moss is a big loss in Mnnny.

So is the loss of Matt Birk at center and having to play a rookie at guard next to the back-up center.

And so is the lack of ANY pass rush from the front four in the first two games. Remember how the Skins learned the lesson about what happens when the front four could not rush the passer back when Lionel Daulton and Jermaine Haley and that crowd were pretending to be NFL defensive linemen? Well, that lesson is now being taught to the fans in Minnesota. They'd be no worse off if Jesse "the Body" Ventura suited up and played some DT for them.