Champ Bailey
 

Did Anyone Catch That Int. That Bailey Had In Denver? Man I Love Portis But I Miss Champ Too.

Re: Champ Bailey
 

Champ is a great corner - make no mistake about that, but I still would make the Portis trade again.

Re: Champ Bailey
 

I love Champ but he's no Deion, not until he starts making plays like that on a regular basis. He's a great cover corner no doubt, but not the playmaker that Deion was in his prime.

Re: Champ Bailey
 

[QUOTE=Mattyk72]I love Champ but he's no Deion, not until he starts making plays like that on a regular basis. He's a great cover corner no doubt, but not the playmaker that Deion was in his prime.[/QUOTE]

Deion got torched yesterday.

:FIREdevil

I will always have hate Deion. Bailey is nto what he was but still above average, and I believe that Portis was definitely worth it. He's gonna get his yards this year.

Re: Champ Bailey
 

That was an awful pass by Drew Brees and only Bailey's second career INT returned for a touchdown. He is a bit overrated IMO, but still great. Springs has been a tremendous replacement. Still love the trade. Smoot is the CB that is really really overrated IMO. When we let him and Pierce walk the media acted like our Defense was devastated. What a joke.

Re: Champ Bailey
 

I liked Bailey, but I believe we got the better end of the deal. The interception for the score wasn't as much Bailey's skill as it was a bad pass by Brees.

Re: Champ Bailey
 

It was definitely a bad pass by Brees. Champ is a better cover man than Springs, not by much, and Springs is a tremendous blitzer and run stuffer - plus he's a local guy!

Re: Champ Bailey
 

[QUOTE=wilsowilso]That was an awful pass by Drew Brees and only Bailey's second career INT returned for a touchdown. He is a bit overrated IMO, but still great. Springs has been a tremendous replacement. Still love the trade. Smoot is the CB that is really really overrated IMO. When we let him and Pierce walk the media acted like our Defense was devastated. What a joke.[/QUOTE]I would not say Smoot is over rated. When he entered free agency he sat there for awhile before anyone picked him up and I believe there were some other corners picked up before him. He is average to a little above average. I like Bailey but we have not missed him as a team.

Re: Champ Bailey
 

Bailey was great and I'd love to have him back, but not for 9 million a year or whatever. Come on now...

Re: Champ Bailey
 

Champ is good, but not worth the money he wanted from us. Smoot is less good than Champ and Springs, and not worth overpaying for, though I miss his mouth, I suppose. I think Carlos will be at this level, so I don't miss the guys.

Didn't see the Denver game, so I can't comment on the play. I was pulling for the CHargers on principle...

Re: Champ Bailey
 

Highlight of the interception is on NFL.COM if you want to see it.

Re: Champ Bailey
 

Bottom line it comes down to Dollars and "sense". These guys were very good and talented, no doubt. But as far as running the team and making future acquisitions in the future it wasn't worth it.

We'll be in the market for more defensive line talent next year and we'll be glad we dumped those huge salaries they wanted.

Re: Champ Bailey
 

He hit that ball so hard, it'd take three cheetah's to run him down!

Re: Champ Bailey
 

Champ is a better cover corner than Deion ever was. The reason he gets lumped below him is because he has less big play ability simply based on the fact that he never gets thrown on. Deion got thrown on more because he gambled. Now Deion was a fantastic corner who made up ground better than Champ can dream of but that helped him make big plays and big plays earn more respect than simply shutting down a receiver to the point that they never throw a pass his way. If I had to choose I'd take Deion in his prime because he actually put points on the board for you but if I wanted a guy who shut down part of the field with no questions asked and no frills then Champ is my guy all day.

Re: Champ Bailey
 

Yeah it was a give me interception and one that gave Champ a chance to sit and break on the ball. That damn pass the Redskins seem to love and I fear it is going to come to the point when a corner knows it is coming a couple times a game and sits on it and goes the other way. Nobody between the defender and the endzone. Spurrier and Gibbs ran that play alot.

Re: Champ Bailey
 

Our defense is fine without champ but our offense would not be without portis. He means more to us because an elite RB by himself can carry a team while an elite CB really cant. I would rather have portis and springs over bailey anyday.

Re: Champ Bailey
 

i agree; we've done really well without payin 9 mil a yr on a CB. we def. needed to offensive firepower over the D.

Re: Champ Bailey
 

I'd never take Bailey over Sanders and I'm more than happy with Springs.

With Dieon you have to put up with his exotic dress sense.

Re: Champ Bailey
 

Here's an interesting analysis of Champ:

[url="http://www.footballoutsiders.com/ramblings.php?p=2840&cat=11"]http://www.footballoutsiders.com/ramblings.php?p=2840&cat=11[/url]

It's rather longwinded, here's a quote for those that just want to skim.

"Bailey was targeted 90 times to Herndon’s 96, an exceedingly high number for a player that is supposed to intimidate the offense. Generally, when there is an elite caliber corner on one side and a clearly less talented player on the other, offenses will target the second corner, a fact that comes out in the attempts distribution. Gary Baxter had 108 attempts, while on the other side Chris McAlister had only 65. Terrence McGee saw 126 passes thrown his way to Nate Clements’s 88. Phillip Buchanon was targeted 76 times to Charles Woodson’s 58. But in Denver, home to the supposedly best corner in the game, the pass distribution was almost even.
Clearly, offenses were not intimidated by the prospect of going after Bailey, and the rest of the numbers demonstrate why. Bailey gave up a high completion percentage on both deep patterns and short patterns (50% on the deep balls, 73.6% on the short stuff; his completion percentage on medium routes was a reasonable but by no means dominant 46.2%). His yardage total is very high, his yards per attempt is lower-tier, and the seven touchdowns Bailey surrendered made him one of the worst corners in the league in that department. Bailey gave up 12 receptions on deep patterns for 425 yards – over half of his total yardage – and four of his seven touchdowns came on those twelve receptions."

Re: Champ Bailey
 

we got the better end of the deal cuz bailey wanted out.

Re: Champ Bailey
 

springs fell in nicely and greg williams was also an added plus.

Re: Champ Bailey
 

i think at this point we got the better deal, a younger player who hasn't even reached his prime yet, and we gave a top flight corner away, but our defense was even better without him.