Another Possible Trade Scenario.
 

Before I even start my possible theory, light your torches and gather the angry mob, you have a Daseal to lynch.

Get rid of LaVar. As of now we could get a lot for him and we've been bolstering our depth at Linebacker. Not only could this save us a huge amount in the cap (Canuck might be able to expand furthur) it also would give us a lot of young talent.

LaVar is a great player and I love to watch him play, but he isn't exactly what the Redskins dreamed he would be. He's a great player, but I think somewhat overrated, like Offiss (I think) said. He hit's like a mack truck, but somehow seems to roll off, or he just overpursues. He never turned into the team leader everyone thought he would, and he seems more than reluctant to take that job, our lord and savior, Fred Smoot has taken that job over and is doing it well.

LaVar's trade value would be out of this world right now. We could have an amazing draft and we could bolster the D line without sacrificing anything but one player. I know this won't be popular, and I'm not even sure if I support it (depends on how the contract/NFLPA stuff works out.) But I could definitly see Snyder/Cerratto/Gibbs thinking about it!

I think I have some tar in my garage. Anyone got some feathers laying around?

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--Phin

I think I'm going to be sick.

I've got feathers and duct tape!

Mabye we could bring Health Shuler back and see how he does at LB, so he isnt such a bust.

I dont even now how much we would get for Lavar, we could get somethign good but we thought the same for champ and had to throw in a second round pick to get CP.

Teams rate rookies so much higher these days, even Boston and TO didnt go for much. The only player that seemingly received high compensation was Brunell...because teh skins dont value picks liek the rest of the league

Good point - Skins throw away picks too easily. By the way - I would consider trading LaVar if he's as highly valued by another team as he is by us. I mean look at his monsterous contract! Did he win an NFL MVP award or Super Bowl or something??? His physical talents are bar-none, but he's undisciplined and cannot diagnose plays like elite linebackers do (Ray Lewis, Derrick Brooks, Takeo Spikes, etc . . .), which limits his effectiveness against savy playcalls. For all that speed, why can't he ONCE stop McNabb from scrambling on a key 3rd down??

send me what you are smoking !!

There is no way the Skins should trade LaVar unless he puts them in a Champ Bailey situation.

It doesn't seem like many people r looking at some of these trades, like the TO and Boston trades, for what they were. The 49ers and Chargers were trying to get rid of players (and their salaries) they didn't want for whatever they could get for them. People should stop saying, well TO and Boston were given up for pretty much nothing. How can you then explain the eagles getting a conditional 2nd round pick for AJ Feeley of all people? Boston and TO are both superior talents compared to Feeley who's a backup to a backup. There's also the complaint about us sending a 3rd rounder to Jacksonville for a player about to be cut. Some players are just more valuable to some teams and sometimes teams just want to get something for a player who's worn out their welcome with the team.

well hopefully some people will really want Trotter and bid over him.

I'd love that cuz right now I know I'd be happy if we get anything for him other than a cap hit. Does anyone know the name of the mlb from Georgia Tech? If we could trade trotter for a good enough pick to get him that would awesome. I remember seeing him around almost every play last year when they showed GT games on the local channel covering ACC games.

Get rid of LaVar.



Whoever agrees with this statement is insane. LaVar is one of the most talented players in the N.F.L. To say that he is overrated is awful....he is our only consistant pro-bowler now that Champ is gone, he changes the the offense-how many plays are ran AT LaVar, he has the ability to take over a game (Dallas 2 years ago), or even arguably turn a season around (Carolina game during Marty's term. He is not even near his potential yet. Since he has been in the league he has never had the same coach twice except for Spurrier who doesn't even count. Anyone who has seen him play at Penn State knows what he can do with a real coach. With someone like Gibbs and Williams there is know telling what he will be able to do. The simple fact that LaVar has stuck with this franchise when he could have easily not signed a contract extention and signed with a team that is an instant contender. He has stated several times that he wants to be a Redskin for his whole career. He has put all his contract issues to the side because he did WILL be one of the greatest Redskins and linebackers ever!!!!

I dunno, if someone gets the name we could look at draft boards to see how high hes ranked and whether he coudl be a day two pick for us.

Still no news on holdman?

[QUOTE=Daseal]Before I even start my possible theory, light your torches and gather the angry mob, you have a Daseal to lynch.

Get rid of LaVar. As of now we could get a lot for him and we've been bolstering our depth at Linebacker. Not only could this save us a huge amount in the cap (Canuck might be able to expand furthur) it also would give us a lot of young talent.

LaVar is a great player and I love to watch him play, but he isn't exactly what the Redskins dreamed he would be. He's a great player, but I think somewhat overrated, like Offiss (I think) said. He hit's like a mack truck, but somehow seems to roll off, or he just overpursues. He never turned into the team leader everyone thought he would, and he seems more than reluctant to take that job, our lord and savior, Fred Smoot has taken that job over and is doing it well.

LaVar's trade value would be out of this world right now. We could have an amazing draft and we could bolster the D line without sacrificing anything but one player. I know this won't be popular, and I'm not even sure if I support it (depends on how the contract/NFLPA stuff works out.) But I could definitly see Snyder/Cerratto/Gibbs thinking about it![/QUOTE]

I have to say Daseal good job, I am with you on this one, although it's probably the 2 of us against everyone here, I really haven't givin much thought into trading lavar, but I think you are right, washington could step into his spot in a heartbeat, as well I think we would bring back a lot of talent in this draft for him, but we have to be able to cut through lavar's personality, he is who people identify our team with, but I pesonally think other team's will go after the name and over look the substance, no different than us, he may be the most replaceable player we have, I just don't see team's lining up to stop him, he constantly misses tackle's and he's easily blocked by linemen so what is it on the field wise that make's him so special? We have been waiting and waiting for the real lavar to show up my feeling is he already has.

I think that enough rumors about us getting rid of our top starters in hopes of replacing them for talent is getting ridicolous. Ramsey, Samuels, Bailey, Gardner, Trotter, Iffy, etc.... We have all this talk about peopel being REDSKINS, yet we keep offering to get rid of our core group of players in hopes of mabye drafting someone good. Anyone else think that we need to stop trying to get rid of people and just add some rookies, and build our team for the first time in years.

Snyder doubled the price of programs, probably just becuase of how often hes going ot have to change the roster.

Sorry Matty, the next two weeks your going to have tons of duplicate threads that all seem different becuase its a different rumor, but all about trade scenerios.

Trade Arington??? What's next, getting rid of all-star Ade Jimoh?

[QUOTE=Showtime]...but he's undisciplined and cannot diagnose plays like elite linebackers do (Ray Lewis, Derrick Brooks, Takeo Spikes, etc . . .), which limits his effectiveness against savy playcalls. For all that speed, why can't he ONCE stop McNabb from scrambling on a key 3rd down??[/QUOTE]

You know what? I wholeheartedly agree with these statements. As phenomenal a player Lavar Arrington is, there are several other linebackers in the league right now who are playing better, and have proved much more. Lewis, Brooks, Urlacher, just to name a few.

And Showtime is right! When was the last time Arrington stopped McNabb on a crucial 3rd down conversion? The last truly game changing play he's made was the sack of Kurt Warner in the Rams game back in the '02 season.

While I don't agree we should trade Arrington, I was hoping for much more when we drafted him. One game-breaking play in two years is a little lacking for a player everyone talks about like he's some sort of god.

Still, I'd like to see what he can do in a Gregg Williams defense.

I think Lavar has always changed how defenses play us, hes in on every play. Hes ended QBs careers, and took our Brett Farve the week before he was goign to break the durability streak or something liek that. The play against the Rams had a lot to do with Gardner as well, not to take away from Lavar. I think the new coaching staff will get more out of him, he seems to get down easy and the extra motivation this year should help him become more of a leader. Trotter was always the captain and leader out there, im not sure if I agreed with that for any reason other than the fact he was the middle LB

Even if I could agree with you on this, Daseal, The recent restructuring makes it highly unlikely. I'm sure CrazyCanuck will back me on this, but with Lavar's signing bonuses, it'd be difficult to field a 53-man roster with the cap hit after this departure.

My feeling though is that unless you plan on retiring someone's jersey, they aren't untouchable. Since the Redkins can't buy a copy of Lavar's jersey to retire, he can leave.

Good point, I totally forgot about the size of his signing/roster bonus's. I must say I don't understand the cap very well, maybe I can get a FO job somewhere.

Lavar + 5 coaches in 6 seasons = great LB without stability

Lavar + Joe Gibbs + Gregg Williams = great LB with solid coaching

Lets get through the end of this season and talk Arrington trade.

I may be a son of a bitch for saying this but- I will always be an Arrington fan because he ended that bastard Troy Aikman's career. We all know he was one hit away, and I was so happy that one hit came from a Redskin. Wow, my conscience feels clear, thanks for letting me share. That said, Pros and Cons aside, this guy is a Redskin. A crazy, f_cked up, mildly retarded one, but still a Redskin.

I would like to see LaVar settle in with one defensive coordinator and one system for a good 3-4 seasons. Maybe then we'll see him reach his full potential.

Lavars not going anywhere, his cap hit would kill us and our d would suffer for it. We've built our defense around him. Everythign is about lavar. We got Washington so Lavar could play weekside. We need better dlinemen so lavar can get more pressure. We need two top flight corners so they can play man and we can blitz lavar. If we get Sean Taylor him and Lavar will be in on everyplay... I know its the time of the year when you talk about trades and rumors, but come guys, Lavar, Snyder already told us hes a Skin for life, and Lavar agress.

Does LaVar agree? We'll see what happens when he's asked to restructure again. I wouldn't be suprised to see him traded before his career ends.

LaVar is a good player, but multiple coaches don't affect your personallity. I want him to step up as a TEAM LEADER before he makes the kind of money he's supposed to. People that get paid like that bring their team to new levels.

As I said, I don't know if I agree with trading him, but I also wouldn't be totally shocked if it happened. Not with the cap hits, but who knows later in his contract!

hopefully he will become the player that he can be and will always be a skin and a leader

I feel a lot of players look up to him, and I feel he lets them down horribly in the moral department.

lavar isn't going anywhere anytime soon, we need to draft taylor, a little more help on the Dline and the defense is solid and arrington will shine.....the screen name says it all

With Taylor and mabye one or two more key dline we could have one of the top D's in the league. I hope with the better coaching that it happens this year.

[QUOTE=kingerock]Lavar + 5 coaches in 6 seasons = great LB without stability

Lavar + Joe Gibbs + Gregg Williams = great LB with solid coaching

Lets get through the end of this season and talk Arrington trade.[/QUOTE]

This is exactly how we should be looking at things, as with all the other star players we have who have been underperforming for the last two years (two years....what a coincidence!). Let's not trade off all our star players now, but assess the situation again in 12 months. Give them all a chance to play under Gibbs!

I agree, I would even say give them 24 months. You know, two years with the same Coach, yes it can happen.

[QUOTE=SKINSnCANES]I agree, I would even say give them 24 months. You know, two years with the same Coach, yes it can happen.[/QUOTE]

I don't think Snyder has the guts to fire Gibbs no matter how bad it gets. I think the fans (us) put up with him because he seems to always do what he can to better the team. Firing Gibbs would be like the Catholic church giving the Pope the pink slip. It aint gonna happen.

I didnt mean get rid of Gibbs, I meant gettign rid of players after one year with Gibbs. Give the whole team two years to learn to play together.

are we serious here? trading lavar?!?!?!? he is the only star we have left on deffense and one of the top 5 lbs in the league, and probally the best outside lb in the league. is nothing safe around here no more? there is no reason we should be talking bout this! there is a reason we gave them this huge contract.

yup yup, i agree.

[QUOTE=SKINSnCANES]I agree, I would even say give them 24 months. You know, two years with the same Coach, yes it can happen.[/QUOTE]


Well, Spurrier showed us that two years can happen. But of course, he only coached the qb's and receivers. So technically, Gibbs is the first head coach some of these guys have had in two years.

And Daseal - If they trade LaVar, I will personally hunt you down and kill you for planting such an evil seed (okay, maybe not kill you - just berate you loudly in front of small children).

Even under spurrier we didnt have the same coaching staff both years, expecially on defense which is what most of this thread has been about.