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I title the thread with that one simple word, because I am positive that Joe Gibbs has forgotten the term.

Am I am the only that sees ten people in the box, and they still run it up the middle. The play calling is horrible. If theres ten in the box, dont run the ball, call an audible. I dont mean do like Spurrier and call 8 a play, but be smart about it. A lot of the time when they line up, not only do I know what we are calling, but its clear that it is not going to work.

An audible could be huge for us in making more first downs and scoring more points.

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good point! also, how about this = very little in the way of penalties and TO's with todays game!!! go skins!!!

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gibbs doesn't like audibles cause they can result in penalties... so running into a stacked line and wasting a down is a good solution if i've ever heard it :(

I thought it was REALLY strange too, i mean seattle wasn't even trying to hide it.

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Ive never seen as many people in the box as I saw today. It was crazy how many of them stacked the line and yet we just ran right into them.

We did finally run some play action. But we still dont threaten the opposing team to play back on us, and until they do they will stack the box and stifle portis.

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I couldnt agree more,thats what I just said in the Brunell thread,so much for Moss stretching the defense,Brunell's an experienced qb,he should be able to recognize the situation and call an audible,who calls the plays anyway? is it Gibbs or somebody else?whoever it is might want to turn it over to somebody else

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My guess is we'll see more of them as Gibbs and Brunnell get comfortable. You have to be able to audible in this league. No two ways about it.

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If only Joe Gibbs and his staff had the knowledge and experience of some of the guys on this board eh?

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[QUOTE=davy]If only Joe Gibbs and his staff had the knowledge and experience of some of the guys on this board eh?[/QUOTE]
well if he did he would have had a better record last yr,nobody in their right mind would have stuck with brunell that long last yr

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Was it me or did seattle seem to know every time we were going to run every time we ran.

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[QUOTE=rickmmrr]Was it me or did seattle seem to know every time we were going to run every time we ran.[/QUOTE]


everyone knows what we are goign to do every play. we are very predictable.

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[QUOTE=htownskinfan]well if he did he would have had a better record last yr,nobody in their right mind would have stuck with brunell that long last yr[/QUOTE]


he stuck ith brunell because it wasnt all his fault. Just like it wasnt with ramsey when he came in and sucked to. No nfl qb is as bad as they loko in gibbs system. Gibbs needs to learn how to call plays again. Im not in love with brunell but hes not as bad as gibbs makes him looks.

Its very obvious that Gibbs is finally starting to listen to Musgrave. We looked like a real west coast team at times today and it was working. Hopefully we'll do it more. But then Gibbs to over teh play calling again with 5 straight runs...we had a lead, why would we try to score....

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the skins offense moved the ball consistantly down the field on the seahawks defense today,the play calling was fine and there was no need to call audibles, the skins had over 100 yards rushing on them.

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[QUOTE=That Guy]gibbs doesn't like audibles cause they can result in penalties... so running into a stacked line and wasting a down is a good solution if i've ever heard it :(

I thought it was REALLY strange too, i mean seattle wasn't even trying to hide it.[/QUOTE]


A simple play action and throw the intermidiate pass over the top of the LB's, the reason teams are able to stack the box is because the WR's are running deep patterns and being covered by corners and safties, we need to isolate Cooley and Portis just beyong the LB's so that any time they committ to the run we can dump the ball over the top of the LB's, if we show we are willing to do that every play we will force the LB's to wait a little longer for their read's to make sure we don't throw it, this will allow more running lanes for our backs, I don't know how we will ever run the ball if we allow LB's to overcommitt to the run like they do, no line can block 7 or 8 defenders in the box with any kind of reasonable success.

Considering how bad the seattle defense was just pining their ears back and running where ever our backs went, I don't understand why we didn't use more misdirection play's, end around's, and play's of that nature?

I also want to say I don't see anything remotly resembling the denver blocking schemes we so worked on in the offseason.


It also seemed that today's game later in the game that Gibbs allowed more play calling by our coordinator, we went away from a lot of those comeback routes, and started running a west coast offense with slants, and passes to the TE's and back's, which was refreshing to see, it is also what alwowed us to control the ball like we did for most of the game.

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the only reason the game was close is because the skins defense had a few breakdowns today. the skins offense played pretty darn good

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[QUOTE=wolfeskins]the skins offense moved the ball consistantly down the field on the seahawks defense today,the play calling was fine and there was no need to call audibles, the skins had over 100 yards rushing on them.[/QUOTE]

If the play calling was fine then why was it always third and long? yes ,brunell did a great job of converting 3rd downs. But if you run twice, and its 3rd and long...youre not doing something right. Portis averaged just over 3 a carry again. Pathetic. No running back can run through a 9 man front. The announcers even laughed and twice put up numbers counting the number of defenders in the box, and they still ran it up the middle.

If gibbs makes a good pass play, hes going to jump like a school boy then hand it off. Hes very predicatable. There was one or two drives that we ran the west coast offense and it was working great. We just have to do that more. You can almost tell when its musgrave or gibbs calling the plays.

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those 3rd down routes were prefectly laid out, someone was always open and Mark zipped it to them.

but yeah Brunell can hold on to it too long just as much as Ramsey does. that flea-flicker could've done real damage but Brunell pumped and waited for the corner to fall or something before he threw it deep. can't just be late in the 4th quarter Mark.

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It's simpler than that and Gibbs should know it. You call two plays in the huddle, a run and a pass. If the run is not there, you simply shift to the pass formation and go. You don't need a lot of complicated assignments being distributed at the line. That's what doomed Spurrier's audible system. I agree, running the ball with the box overstacked was not brilliant playcalling unless you are intentionally trying to run down the clock.

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and can we please kill the WR screen??? they even call it when no blitz is coming! 2yd gain, loss of down, and keeps everyone up to the line of schrimmage. whats the big idea??

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[QUOTE=rickmmrr]Was it me or did seattle seem to know every time we were going to run every time we ran.[/QUOTE]

It really doesn't matter what a team knows against a decent offense. Portis still gained 106yds. The question isn't that they know what we're going to do, but can they stop it and they didn't stop it. Every team knows that McNabb is going to throw the ball to T.O on most plays, but they still cannot stop his movement of the sticks! The Redskins just have to call the right play at the right time depending where we are on the field and what the score is.

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[QUOTE=SKINSnCANES]If the play calling was fine then why was it always third and long? yes ,brunell did a great job of converting 3rd downs. But if you run twice, and its 3rd and long...youre not doing something right. Portis averaged just over 3 a carry again. Pathetic. No running back can run through a 9 man front. The announcers even laughed and twice put up numbers counting the number of defenders in the box, and they still ran it up the middle.

If gibbs makes a good pass play, hes going to jump like a school boy then hand it off. Hes very predicatable. There was one or two drives that we ran the west coast offense and it was working great. We just have to do that more. You can almost tell when its musgrave or gibbs calling the plays.[/QUOTE]


those 3rd and long plays that you are referring to were at the end of the game, up to that point the skins found themselves in 3rd and very manigable on a consistant basis.
portis did average 3.6 yards a carry, not great but not pathetic either. what did betts average?
i'm quite certain the same person who's calling the plays at the beginning of the game is the same person calling them at the end.
the skins offense easily outplayed the seahawks defense today. the skins defense had a few breakdowns and thats the only reason the game was close.

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[QUOTE=illdefined]and can we please kill the WR screen??? they even call it when no blitz is coming! 2yd gain, loss of down, and keeps everyone up to the line of schrimmage. whats the big idea??[/QUOTE]


i think they only ran it twice today . once for a loss of 2 and the other time for a gain of 7.

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[QUOTE=wolfeskins]those 3rd and long plays that you are referring to were at the end of the game, up to that point the skins found themselves in 3rd and very manigable on a consistant basis.
portis did average 3.6 yards a carry, not great but not pathetic either. what did betts average?
i'm quite certain the same person who's calling the plays at the beginning of the game is the same person calling them at the end.
the skins offense easily outplayed the seahawks defense today. the skins defense had a few breakdowns and thats the only reason the game was close.[/QUOTE]

yes, they were at the end of the game, when gibbs runs and hides in his shell because he has a lead. Im not saying betts is better than portis, im saying portis is better than his numbers. And I dont think the same person is calling the plays the whoel game. Musgrave calls down the play, and gibbs decides if he wants to run that play.

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[QUOTE=SKINSnCANES]yes, they were at the end of the game, when gibbs runs and hides in his shell because he has a lead. Im not saying betts is better than portis, im saying portis is better than his numbers. And I dont think the same person is calling the plays the whoel game. Musgrave calls down the play, and gibbs decides if he wants to run that play.[/QUOTE]


i agree gibbs gets very conservative at the end of a game if his team has the lead but i don't blame him for that, he didn't think the seahawks could score on our d but the defense had some breakdowns at the end.i didn't think you were saying betts was better than portis i was just wondering what betts average was because between betts and portis the run game was very effective today. your right about the playcalling coming from the booth to gibbs and then gibbs desiding to keep it or change it but it's not coming from musgrave. musgrave is on the sidelines with gibbs.

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Don Breaux is OC, Musgrave is Quarterbacks coach.

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my understanding is playcalling comes from Jack Burns up in the booth, and Gibbs OKs or vetos it.

i'd like to hear what Gibbs thought of the running game. i credit Brunell and Thrash for lots of crisp, clutch 3rd and longs, but like Brunell and Moss themselves said, we shouldn't be in so many 3rd and longs.

we really are looking the gifthorse in the mouth tho. we converted a lot this game and that's solid proof of offensive improvement. little by little..

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[QUOTE=That Guy]gibbs doesn't like audibles cause they can result in penalties... so running into a stacked line and wasting a down is a good solution if i've ever heard it :(

I thought it was REALLY strange too, i mean seattle wasn't even trying to hide it.[/QUOTE]


LOL! That's definitely not true about Gibbs and audibles. I can understand that considering you've only had last year and this year as proof. Listening to Brunell call plays today, however, we audibled quite a few times. We run those plays to wear the defense down and consider the fact that on those long third down plays, we were converting with the pass.

The playcalling is exactly what we needed to do to keep the Seahawks offense - and our defense - off the field.

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[QUOTE=wolfeskins]i agree gibbs gets very conservative at the end of a game if his team has the lead but i don't blame him for that, he didn't think the seahawks could score on our d but the defense had some breakdowns at the end.i didn't think you were saying betts was better than portis i was just wondering what betts average was because between betts and portis the run game was very effective today. your right about the playcalling coming from the booth to gibbs and then gibbs desiding to keep it or change it but it's not coming from musgrave. musgrave is on the sidelines with gibbs.[/QUOTE]


Portis should have had a lot higher average. He was getting 7-10 yd gains a bunch of times after we packed them off with a bunch of pass plays. My main point is why we run with 9 in the box and not audible more. There were a few times that we did, and got it to cooley, id just like to see it more. This game was a huge step in the right direction though. Doing it once was more than we did last week.

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[QUOTE=wolfeskins]i think they only ran it [the WR Screen] twice today . once for a loss of 2 and the other time for a gain of 7.[/QUOTE]

yeah i remembered rolling my eyes a bit when the first two offensive plays in the game were a WR screen and a Counter-trey for middling yards...you can tell what i was expecting.

seriously where are all the downfield throws and stretch plays we were promised all off-season?

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[QUOTE=illdefined]my understanding is playcalling comes from Jack Burns up in the booth, and Gibbs OKs or vetos it. [/QUOTE]

Correct...

"Burns -- an offensive consultant who has been replaced by Bill Musgrave as quarterbacks coach -- will call the initial play after occasional input from offensive coordinator Don Breaux."

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[QUOTE=skinsguy]LOL! That's definitely not true about Gibbs and audibles. I can understand that considering you've only had last year and this year as proof. Listening to Brunell call plays today, however, we audibled quite a few times. We run those plays to wear the defense down and consider the fact that on those long third down plays, we were converting with the pass.

The playcalling is exactly what we needed to do to keep the Seahawks offense - and our defense - off the field.[/QUOTE]

Exactly. 12 of 17 first down conversions is very good against a nine man front. It really doesn't matter what a defense tries to do, they must execute and make the key plays and Seattle, Dallas and Chicago couldn't do it. Hail to the Redskins!

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[QUOTE=htownskinfan]well if he did he would have had a better record last yr,nobody in their right mind would have stuck with brunell that long last yr[/QUOTE]
I thought we won today. Reading these successive comments, you'd think we'd lost. I've never seen so much negativity after a win. Jesus.

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[QUOTE=dblanch66]I thought we won today. Reading these successive comments, you'd think we'd lost. I've never seen so much negativity after a win. Jesus.[/QUOTE]

haha get used to it.

Everyone is a head coach around here.

And I don't mean that in a 'you're not entitled to an opinion' kind of way either. It's just how it is.

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guilty. 'knowledgeable' fans = Madden raised wannabe coaches?

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[QUOTE=dblanch66]I thought we won today. Reading these successive comments, you'd think we'd lost. I've never seen so much negativity after a win. Jesus.[/QUOTE]
"I thought Brunell played great,he was a late on some long throws,his scrambling was big,his throw to the endzone on the run that was ruled out was a thing of beauty,and I dont think the int was his fault,if we would have lost this game,I would not have blamed Brunell,but I'm still unhappy with the playcalling,Seattle was still stacking the box against the run,Portis 3.6 yrds a carry,Betts 2.9,so much for those passes to Moss last week stretching the defense,didnt seem to help at all,where are the audibles when Seattle's stacking the box against the run? It also seems like are run blocking is great in the 1st qtr and by the 4th it's practically non-existant"
this was my post on the brunell thread,as you can see i gave brunell his props,no negativity,my response was based on what Gibbs did last yr with Brunell,not this yr,anytime anyone gives an opinion on this board without wearing their rose colored glasses their treated like non-fans

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As often as they stacked the line for the run, we burned them with a quick pass. We didn't just run into the wall like last year.

Overall, I was completely satisfied with the playcalling yesterday.

I like how when they line up to play the run, we hit them with the quick pass.

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[QUOTE=dblanch66]I thought we won today. Reading these successive comments, you'd think we'd lost. I've never seen so much negativity after a win. Jesus.[/QUOTE]

That's because when you win, you get greedy for more wins - hence the focus on ways of remedying the weaknesses of the team. I can't be satisfied with 9-7 this year, even if its a 3 game improvement over last year.

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I know. I get greedy myself.

Is it just me or is the everyone else feeling more and more confident in this team? I hope that's carrying over to the players themselves.

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[QUOTE=illdefined]and can we please kill the WR screen??? they even call it when no blitz is coming! 2yd gain, loss of down, and keeps everyone up to the line of schrimmage. whats the big idea??[/QUOTE]

always to patten... spurrier did it with gardner and it never worked with him either.