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Daseal 04-15-2004 05:21 PM

For USC fans!
 
I know I rip you guys a lot, but I have a question. With all the people saying we don't have an H back, we don't have an H back. How many of you think Mike Williams could make an H back. I don't like him that much as a receiver, but can he block? He definitly has the size and as a receiving threat he'd be extremely dangerous, just curious as to what you guys think about this.

mizzo skins man 04-15-2004 05:26 PM

A little off subject, but I think the best Trojan in the draft is Udeze. That is the NEED for the Skins.

Daseal 04-15-2004 05:36 PM

a) How is this possibly off subject? It has to do with the Redskins draft and player potential, and Udeeze will be a 3rd down rusher for most of his career, in my opinion. Definitly not worth a top 10 pick. I'm curious about Mike Williams, if you like Udeeze, start a Udeeze thread, we'll talk there!

Riggo44 04-15-2004 06:23 PM

[QUOTE=mizzo skins man]A little off subject, but I think the best Trojan in the draft is Udeze. That is the NEED for the Skins.[/QUOTE]
I would have do agree.

Carnage 04-15-2004 06:44 PM

The kids got nice hands. Hell, at 20 he's probably still growing.

SKINSnCANES 04-15-2004 06:46 PM

Hed get pushed around by linemen and linebackers

Daseal 04-15-2004 07:35 PM

Obviously he'd need a bit more weight and some more training, but no chance for it to be a possibility?

joecrisp 04-15-2004 07:50 PM

[QUOTE=Daseal]Obviously he'd need a bit more weight and some more training, but no chance for it to be a possibility?[/QUOTE]
I don't think it's entirely out of the question. Given his youth, it's certainly possible that he could gain another 10-15 lbs of muscle pretty easily over the next couple of years, once he's been inserted into an NFL training regimen. That would put him at just about the right size for an H-back (though 255-260 lbs would be more optimal-- especially given his 6'5" frame). Aside from that, the main question is going to be his blocking skills. I don't know much about him in that area, but if he can block and increase his mass, he would definitely be a good option at H-back.

I just can't see anyone drafting him with immediate designs of making him an H-back. If he proves to be less-than-stellar as a receiver, then I think he'd have to consider a move to H-back, and do the work necessary to make that change.

PSUskinsfan11 04-15-2004 08:28 PM

Don't see it happening. David Boston is a monster and no one has tried that with him.


p.s. Udeze would be a huge upgrade to what we have now, you might be eating those 3rd down rusher words in a few years Daseal.

skinsfanthru&thru 04-15-2004 08:33 PM

I've heard talk about some teams thinking he'll be a really good wr but an even better TE if he added about 15-20 lbs. I wouldn't be all that upset if the appeal of the ruling letting him into the draft is upheld and then it gets reversed again in the supreme court cuz then we'd have a chance to get him in the supplemental draft. I know we'd have to give up next years 1st rounder if we did it but he's one of the top 10-15 players in this years draft so why not.

joecrisp 04-15-2004 09:44 PM

[QUOTE=PSUskinsfan11]Don't see it happening. David Boston is a monster and no one has tried that with him.[/QUOTE]
That's true, and it's a good analogy, but Boston has more than proven himself as a wideout-- and has displayed excellent deep speed to complement his ridiculous physique.

Daseal 04-15-2004 09:52 PM

Too bad he's CRAZY!

joecrisp 04-15-2004 10:14 PM

[QUOTE=Daseal]Too bad he's CRAZY![/QUOTE]
Exactly.

Tremendous physical talent, horrible attitude. Unfortunately, too many players fall into that category in today's NFL.

itvnetop 04-15-2004 11:08 PM

Wow Daseal- was wondering why you bag on us damn much! j/k hehehe. anyway, BMW could play either in my opinion. In fact, the reason he didn't go to the florida schools is b/c they recruited him as a TE exclusively and they wouldn't let him line up as a receiver. He's pretty stocked as it is and he lost 15 pounds for his pro-workout (probably for 40 purposes), but i'm sure he'd have no problem matching up with linebackers. He's definitely the strongest wideout in the draft class.

offiss 04-16-2004 01:43 AM

The word on Williams amoung GM's is they hope someone pick's him in the 10 to 12 range which will leave much more talented player's on the board when they pick, there has been a lot of hype about him but he will probably be the guy who really drop's in this draft, and yes most GM's are very worried that he really is a TE trying to play WR at 20yrs. old and the fact he had to work his tail off just to drop 9lbs. for his pro day really has concerned a lot of GM's, they don't feel he will be anle to continue that work ethic, not because he's lazy, just that his body type will continue to fill out.

Carnage 04-16-2004 02:49 AM

Whatever his stopwatch time, he has REAL speed and seperation, he attacks the ball in the air and has superior, great great hands...AND big game experience. I don't care one way or the other about USC, but mark my words; Mike Williams will be a great pro WR.

skinsfanthru&thru 04-16-2004 02:56 AM

there's all this hype about how he doesn't bring it in the workouts, but all that should matter is what he brings on gameday and he brings a world of talent. He's a playmaker both catching and running with the ball. He's not the most elusive guy but he has more than enough strength to fight through quite a few tackles and has huge soft hands for making both the easy and tough catches.

Daseal 04-16-2004 07:28 AM

I think NFL corners will shut him down fairly well, they won't allow themselves to be bullied like the guys in college were.

itvnetop 04-16-2004 08:03 AM

there's no denying NFL secondaries are much more skilled and disciplined than those Mike faced in college, but facing triple-teams and scoring on any level is pretty amazing. he's going to be a much better player than Keyshawn, who some incorrectly compare him to.

SKINSnCANES 04-17-2004 03:16 AM

David Boston is one of the most ripped people in the league, and hes pretty damn fast too. Williams should be able to dominate a lot of corner backs, he'll be a steal with a midfirst round pick. Its always the guys that seem complete but have one flaw that turn out to be the best. Jerry Rice... Randy Moss dropped to what, the 21st pick becuase of his attitude or whatever. He seemed to have turned out well. We'll see in a few years how this years crop turns out.

Riggo44 04-19-2004 03:20 PM

Tremendous physical talent, horrible attitude. Unfortunately, too many players fall into that category in today's NFL.[/QUOTE]
Sad but true!

SKINSnCANES 04-19-2004 04:00 PM

The only attitude he had last year was with the team trainer who kept accusing him of using steriods. He kept saying he worked out for hours a day at his own gym but they wouldnt beleive him.


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