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I love the interview on Redskins.com with CP. I admire his knowledge of the game and his understanding of his role on the team. I think we got the better end of the trade because CP is good for morale, has a great attitude and can break open a game. I am looking forward to him having a stellar afternoon this Sunday. Plus his glasses are groovy, man.

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Lets Be Honest, When Was The Last Time Cp Broke Open A Game. Hell, I Dont Even Know The Last Time He Scored A Td.

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Just something to note, he's on pace for 1400+ yards this year, and he's just getting started. I think as the line continues to come together Portis will only get better.

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Clinton is a class act. HOLLYWOOD

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Dont Get Me Wrong, I Love Portis, But We Havent Seen The "gamebreaking" Runs We Saw In Denver.and I Realize That This Is A Different Scheme And Opposing Defenses Say They Know When We Are Going To Run ,but Other Than His First Carry As A Redskin, He Really Hasn't Lived Up To His Huge Contract. Down In San Deigo, Tomlinson Has A Td In Something Like 18 Straight Games. Portis Doesnt Have One Yet This Year. He Really Hasnt Showed Me Much Since He Came To Dc.

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[QUOTE=gibbsisgod]Dont Get Me Wrong, I Love Portis, But We Havent Seen The "gamebreaking" Runs We Saw In Denver.and I Realize That This Is A Different Scheme And Opposing Defenses Say They Know When We Are Going To Run ,but Other Than His First Carry As A Redskin, He Really Hasn't Lived Up To His Huge Contract. Down In San Deigo, Tomlinson Has A Td In Something Like 18 Straight Games. Portis Doesnt Have One Yet This Year. He Really Hasnt Showed Me Much Since He Came To Dc.[/QUOTE]i know what you are saying but some of that falls on the offense as a whole. The 8 in the box and such. We as a team haven't looked good but Portis has been playing fine this year. I actually love how we are splitting the running up more this year because it keeps him healthy and ready to go. He hasn't been selfish, he has done what is asked of him and i think few could do it better. I think we will see more offensive production from him soon but look at some of the teams he is gonna play this year. Denver's run defense is brutal and he might not get 100 yards but we all know he is gonna run into that pile and carry it as far as he can

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I Still Do Think Portis Is A Good Back. And I Still Do Believe He Will Get His 1000 Yards And Be A Very Good Option At Rb For Years To Come ,but He Needs To Score Tds.its Just That Simple.dont You Think That During Gibbs First Tenure As The Skins Coach Other Teams Were Stacking 8 Or 9 In The Box???. We Still Were Able To Punch It In On The Ground.and I Do Think Your Right Bigskinsbauer About The Offense As A Whole, But Come On Portis We Want Some Tds.NOW

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I think Portis will be super fired-up to play against his old team. It will be fun to see o-line fire off into denver's d-line. Also, I will love to see chump bailey get plowed-over by pulling behemoths. I always thought that champ was over rated. Just prove me wright Portis and score baby score!

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If the team is winning who cares about personal stats?

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]If the team is winning who cares about personal stats?[/QUOTE]

Good point. The more participation from Cooley, Thrash, Betts, Cartwright and Royal will deflect attention and defensive schemes to prevent CP's successful running game.

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[QUOTE=gibbsisgod]I Still Do Think Portis Is A Good Back. And I Still Do Believe He Will Get His 1000 Yards And Be A Very Good Option At Rb For Years To Come ,but He Needs To Score Tds.its Just That Simple.dont You Think That During Gibbs First Tenure As The Skins Coach Other Teams Were Stacking 8 Or 9 In The Box???. We Still Were Able To Punch It In On The Ground.and I Do Think Your Right Bigskinsbauer About The Offense As A Whole, But Come On Portis We Want Some Tds.NOW[/QUOTE]
In Gibbs first tenure other teams really could not afford to stack 8 or 9 in the box against us. Why? Because Gibbs would burn them with Monk, Sanders, Clark, Dider, and the list could go on. Teams knew better to do that against us.

Until Brunell can burn teams with Moss, Patten, and Cooley they will still stack the box because they know what Portis can do and what Brunell can not do...

Also you compare CP to LT, which I can see similarities. But then you say that Portis is not worth his contract, well who would you like to have? I mean remember when Gibbs came in T. Candidate was our starting RB, and with the second round pick we gave up for CP Denver got T. Bell and look at how well he is doing this year. Some say well we could have possibily got E. James or S. Alexander which may be true, but look at how many years they have been in the league and how old they already are, remember Portis just turned like 24 years old he is still young yet.

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Just gotta say this: Clinton, those are some UGLY glasses man!

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[QUOTE=Redskins8588]In Gibbs first tenure other teams really could not afford to stack 8 or 9 in the box against us. Why? Because Gibbs would burn them with Monk, Sanders, Clark, Dider, and the list could go on. Teams knew better to do that against us.

Until Brunell can burn teams with Moss, Patten, and Cooley they will still stack the box because they know what Portis can do and what Brunell can not do...

Also you compare CP to LT, which I can see similarities. But then you say that Portis is not worth his contract, well who would you like to have? I mean remember when Gibbs came in T. Candidate was our starting RB, and with the second round pick we gave up for CP Denver got T. Bell and look at how well he is doing this year. Some say well we could have possibily got E. James or S. Alexander which may be true, but look at how many years they have been in the league and how old they already are, remember Portis just turned like 24 years old he is still young yet.[/QUOTE]i didnt say that portis was NOT worth his contract i just said i dont think he has been playing up to it.and to set the record straight i do think he is worth it i just want some of the tds that he put up in denver(31 tds in 2 years)

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[QUOTE=gibbsisgod]i didnt say that portis was NOT worth his contract i just said i dont think he has been playing up to it.and to set the record straight i do think he is worth it i just want some of the tds that he put up in denver(31 tds in 2 years)[/QUOTE]
Sorry for mis-quoting you and I too want some of the TD's he put up in denver, I have him on just about every Fantasy team that I have.

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SAME HERE:httr:

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[QUOTE=gibbsisgod]Lets Be Honest, When Was The Last Time Cp Broke Open A Game. Hell, I Dont Even Know The Last Time He Scored A Td.[/QUOTE]
Dude, that's why I said "I look forward to it"... meaning...I think he can and WILL be a gamebreaker. He has gamebreaker talent and you can't hold that down for long.

Unless you're Michael Westbrook.

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Those glasses were bugly, butt ugly. i heard lincoln kennedy call them girly. as far as the running game goes, we need some long gainers.here's to hopin he shows the broncos some love.

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i love coach gibbs to death but may he be c portis worst enemy? its almost like there is too much structure in the running game.thats great for people like riggo,who can put their head down and run north and south.but clintons ability to cut back and find small creases,maybe not so good.

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[QUOTE=gibbsisgod]I Still Do Think Portis Is A Good Back. And I Still Do Believe He Will Get His 1000 Yards And Be A Very Good Option At Rb For Years To Come ,but He Needs To Score Tds.its Just That Simple.dont You Think That During Gibbs First Tenure As The Skins Coach Other Teams Were Stacking 8 Or 9 In The Box???. We Still Were Able To Punch It In On The Ground.and I Do Think Your Right Bigskinsbauer About The Offense As A Whole, But Come On Portis We Want Some Tds.NOW[/QUOTE]

His first tenure we were getting in the red zone alot more I would think. Defenses were totally different with caliber players, schemes, run blitzes they are stacking the box against Portis and that is why those passes to Royal, Cooley, and Sellers in the flat are open in the flat they commit to the middle and get beat outside. Portis will come as other teams game plan to beat the skins and not Portis and the running game. Portis said it best 4-0 is better than his stats and that is a good attitude instead of TO screaming because he only gets 1 or 2 balls thrown to him. No back could be doing any better with the piles Clinton has been running into and solid enough to open up our passing game more. He has had 1 100 yard rushing game and totaled over 100 last week with rushing and passing. I would say solid especially as much as him and Betts are rotating out to keep our running game fresh. If Clinto kept those rushes he would have 3 100 yard games, but they not the coaches are setting up the rotation pretty much and really team oriented and not selfish.

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Portis can not run the ball because we are gettin 8-9 men fronts. Besides the two deep balls to Moss and "the boys" we haven't made teams pay for it. Once we start making plays 20 to 30 yards down the field and make people respect our deep passing game, thats what we are going to see. I would like to see Cooley more involved in the passing game. I like his match up against safeties and LBs. this would also give Portis some room. Also, do we not know what sweep or screen is. Portis needs the ball in space, that is his strength. But, you have to give portis credit. He added about 20lbs of muscle this offseason and is sticking it right up the gut and between the tackles. I dont think we will be able to stretch the field this week, unless its Patten, but look for alot of the against KC. This week is going to be pound the ball, roll outs for 10 or 15 yard, workman like moving the ball and GREAT DEFENSE!!.

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As our passing game continues to improve, our running game will get even better. When Portis gets any sort of a whole he always get 6-10 yards.

Portis also leaves the game a lot and gives betts playing time. The one two punch will be even better when they have to respect our passing game.

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What we need is for another WR to step up their game if its Patten ,Trash, or Jacobs. Right now we have only one deep threat and we need two. This will open up the field and in turn open up the running game. Brunell did a good job last week of getting big plays when the Seas stacked the line and if we can keep that up teams will have to respect our passing game. Thats why we converted so many 3rd downs they were stacking the line.

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[QUOTE=dmek25]i love coach gibbs to death but may he be c portis worst enemy? its almost like there is too much structure in the running game.thats great for people like riggo,who can put their head down and run north and south.but clintons ability to cut back and find small creases,maybe not so good.[/QUOTE]
What about Joe Washington and Earnest Byner?? They were similiar to Portis in running style and they did pretty good.

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those guys were good redskins but neither carried the load as heavy as portis.im just saying maybe they have in it his head sooo much that he is just going where the hole is suppose to be and not really looking to cut back i see you have been a skins fan as long as i have.does that make us authorities(ha ha)

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[QUOTE=dmek25]those guys were good redskins but neither carried the load as heavy as portis.im just saying maybe they have in it his head sooo much that he is just going where the hole is suppose to be and not really looking to cut back i see you have been a skins fan as long as i have.does that make us authorities(ha ha)[/QUOTE]
Maybe not experts, but close!! Hey man, I'm just using my "hope" tool trying to will Portis a big game this weekend. I think he has to have a big game for us to win on sunday. Either him and/or Ladell.

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We need to in a bad way assert a strong running game. This team needs to find an identity that will confuse all who plays them. We can not rely on last minute plays to save our butts. We are starting to get those sustained drives that we are used to seeing from J. Gibbs football team. Only then will this team find true balance on offense. That will open up a variety of offensive solutions. We have a tuff schedule and the only way you can know that you are a good team is beat good teams. Fear none, but respect all.

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i don't think we will have a big game for portis against denver, because denver has a great defense that is awesome against the run (see Taylor, Fred, 11 carries, 12 yards) and we will have to win by passing. And our offense hasn't gotten up to full capability yet in the passing game, and the outcome doesn't look good for us against denver.

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Mobby, come on man have a little faith. Portis is going to break out in this one. This game will set the stage for this season and how we will reclaim fear in our opponent's eyes. This is what we have been waiting for ever since J. Gibbs left. And now that he is back we will not be a laughing stock anymore. Have faith bro the running game will be in effect.

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i still have faith. I might not be very optimistic about Denver, but i have some faith left. I just worry too much about our next opponent. My honest prediction after the giants game in week 8 is that we might be 5-2, with both losses coming from the chiefs and broncos, then we'll beat san fran, and we'll win in new york. So i do have some faith that we can get off to a good start. But these next two weeks will prove how tough we really are.

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That's talk about what's really important...

How bout those black shoes? I thought they were tight.

[img]http://www.redskins.com/uploads/photos/perm/main/FMGMHGDOPFCB/55839054PG.jpg[/img]

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lol they're just black shoes. normally you do see the team colored ones though. but they really stand out on our uniform.

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Portis is exactly what I said he was from day 1, he is a system back, period! You have to love how Gibbs goes to extremes to justify this guy and his 50 million dollar contract, Clinton is such a good blocker, and he's a real tough guy, OK, but is he a RB? Because he seems incapable of doing anything unless he has holes you can drive a truck through like he had in denver.

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[QUOTE=offiss]Portis is exactly what I said he was from day 1, he is a system back, period! You have to love how Gibbs goes to extremes to justify this guy and his 50 million dollar contract, Clinton is such a good blocker, and he's a real tough guy, OK, but is he a RB? Because he seems incapable of doing anything unless he has holes you can drive a truck through like he had in denver.[/QUOTE]

damn you're objective. portis isn't a system back, he put up 1300 yards last season. those aren't pedestrian numbers. Portis has earned his money imo. He has a second gear, and he's a threat to take it to the house anytime he has a ball. That's something I'm not sure Ladell Betts could do, although Betts has been performing great as a compliment to Portis. I take it you don't watch a lot of football, cuz i've seen this year and last year time and time again where it looked like Portis was gonna be stopped, then he speeds up and breaks a gain of five, maybe ten yards.

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Portis has been a few inches away from breaking some big ones and as we saw his first carry as a skin, he can completely change the game on one normal turned spectacular play.

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[QUOTE=offiss]Portis is exactly what I said he was from day 1, he is a system back, period! You have to love how Gibbs goes to extremes to justify this guy and his 50 million dollar contract, Clinton is such a good blocker, and he's a real tough guy, OK, but is he a RB? Because he seems incapable of doing anything unless he has holes you can drive a truck through like he had in denver.[/QUOTE]
I usually agree with your assesments of players but this time I do not heed your OPINION of Portis. I will admit that I am guilty of being against the trade for Portis, but that was due to me not knowing what kind of player we were about to recieve.

Portis in my OPINION is one of the best if not the best in the league at picking up blitzes and throwing his body for a block. Also he is a TEAM player in every sense of the word. Portis came here and due to his play on the field he has turned me from being a doubting Thomas to a TRUE BELIEVER!!!

As I stated earlier in this thread and many times on this site when ever people start to thrash Portis, who else would you want? People tend to forget that we do not have Davis no more, we let him go for Candidate, that was a smooth move Spurrier. And until last season Betts was injured as often as Rex Grossman. So again who else would you want in our backfield?

I guess this is where I should request for forgiveness from one Mr. Clinton Portis. Make no bones about it, I am one of his biggest fans, and I am as happy as a child in a candy store that the Washington Redskins have him in there backfield.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]That's talk about what's really important...

How bout those black shoes? I thought they were tight.

[img]http://www.redskins.com/uploads/photos/perm/main/FMGMHGDOPFCB/55839054PG.jpg[/img][/QUOTE]


It's all about the shoes, Matty....all 'bout the shoes!

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All you people with Portis as your Fantasy RB and begging for a TD....who cares as long as the team wins. After reading some of your selfish posts, I had to skip straight to the end to deliver this message. Go Skins, We can win with or without a Portis TD! GO SKINS!

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[QUOTE=Redskins8588]I usually agree with your assesments of players but this time I do not heed your OPINION of Portis. I will admit that I am guilty of being against the trade for Portis, but that was due to me not knowing what kind of player we were about to recieve.

Portis in my OPINION is one of the best if not the best in the league at picking up blitzes and throwing his body for a block. Also he is a TEAM player in every sense of the word. Portis came here and due to his play on the field he has turned me from being a doubting Thomas to a TRUE BELIEVER!!!

As I stated earlier in this thread and many times on this site when ever people start to thrash Portis, who else would you want? People tend to forget that we do not have Davis no more, we let him go for Candidate, that was a smooth move Spurrier. And until last season Betts was injured as often as Rex Grossman. So again who else would you want in our backfield?

I guess this is where I should request for forgiveness from one Mr. Clinton Portis. Make no bones about it, I am one of his biggest fans, and I am as happy as a child in a candy store that the Washington Redskins have him in there backfield.[/QUOTE]


Who would I rather have at RB? Well I would start with the same guy I said at the time when we decieded to seek a trade for Bailey, and that would be 1 Sean Alexander! He was available and we could have had him straight up for Champ, instead of giving up an additional 2nd rd pick, he is more of a Gibbs type back, and at the time he wanted out of Seattle, I am sure we wouldn't have had to pay him like Clinton either, Clinton was paid like he ran behind the Arizona Cardinals line for 1600 yards, now if he managed 1600 yards with the cards I would give him his due, but the fact is Denver can take a scrub and make him look like Barry Sanders, whoever want's to keep pointing to his 1300 yards can, if you run a guy enough times anything is possible, the fact is he had the lowest YPC out of any legitimate back, I know it's a tough pill to swallow because of all we invested in him, and all we could of had if we didn't go the Portis route.

You are correct about Betts though, I personally felt Betts was a better back for our team than Portis, and I still believe he fit's Gibbs style far better than Clinton, but Betts is turning out to be a back that can't alway's be counted on week in and week out, to many nagging injuries. Put Bett's in denver and he would be the next 1600 yard back.

When we traded for Portis I said we would have to change the blocking scheme to fit him, it took Gibbs a year but he finally did it, or did he? Despite the talk of a new blocking scheme, has anyone really seen anything remotly resembling what they do in Denver? I haven't.

As for Clinton being a game breaker? As far as I can tell he had 1 game that could be considered a game breaker, and that was last season in our opener VS Tampa, and really it was only 1 play that allows that to be considered, that's it, I don't want to hear about his potential game breaking abilities, because as Parcells say's, potential means you aint done nothing yet! What he did in Denver is in the past, that counts for zero as far as we are concerned.

Is Clinton a good blocker? Maybe? Is he a good teamate? probably, Does he work his butt off? Again probably, but so do plenty of other backs in the league who never see the field, all those thing's are great but if it doesn't translate into success running the ball then really what good is it, A good attitude is a great thing but it has to be kept in perspective, these guys are there to play football and produce, there not there to be finding homes for abandoned kittens down at the local supermarket.

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[QUOTE=offiss]Who would I rather have at RB? Well I would start with the same guy I said at the time when we decieded to seek a trade for Bailey, and that would be 1 Sean Alexander! He was available and we could have had him straight up for Champ, instead of giving up an additional 2nd rd pick, he is more of a Gibbs type back, and at the time he wanted out of Seattle, I am sure we wouldn't have had to pay him like Clinton either, Clinton was paid like he ran behind the Arizona Cardinals line for 1600 yards, now if he managed 1600 yards with the cards I would give him his due, but the fact is Denver can take a scrub and make him look like Barry Sanders, whoever want's to keep pointing to his 1300 yards can, if you run a guy enough times anything is possible, the fact is he had the lowest YPC out of any legitimate back, I know it's a tough pill to swallow because of all we invested in him, and all we could of had if we didn't go the Portis route.

You are correct about Betts though, I personally felt Betts was a better back for our team than Portis, and I still believe he fit's Gibbs style far better than Clinton, but Betts is turning out to be a back that can't alway's be counted on week in and week out, to many nagging injuries. Put Bett's in denver and he would be the next 1600 yard back.

When we traded for Portis I said we would have to change the blocking scheme to fit him, it took Gibbs a year but he finally did it, or did he? Despite the talk of a new blocking scheme, has anyone really seen anything remotly resembling what they do in Denver? I haven't.

As for Clinton being a game breaker? As far as I can tell he had 1 game that could be considered a game breaker, and that was last season in our opener VS Tampa, and really it was only 1 play that allows that to be considered, that's it, I don't want to hear about his potential game breaking abilities, because as Parcells say's, potential means you aint done nothing yet! What he did in Denver is in the past, that counts for zero as far as we are concerned.

Is Clinton a good blocker? Maybe? Is he a good teamate? probably, Does he work his butt off? Again probably, but so do plenty of other backs in the league who never see the field, all those thing's are great but if it doesn't translate into success running the ball then really what good is it, A good attitude is a great thing but it has to be kept in perspective, these guys are there to play football and produce, there not there to be finding homes for abandoned kittens down at the local supermarket.[/QUOTE]

S. Alexander is a good RB I can not deny that, but he is already what 28, 29 years old? And if you look at RB's over the age of 30 you see throughout the history the RB's production starts to decline at the age of 30. Hell look at C. Martin for the JETS. Yeah, he had a hell of a year last year, but where is he this year?

What makes you so sure that we would have gotten Alexander cheaper, the reason why he wanted out of Seattle was because they refused to pay him what he wanted.

Also yeah Denver does seem to have a pretty good system but let me ask you this, what is Anderson, Bell, and Dayne doing for them this year? Until the KC game there running game was pretty much non-exsistant.

I understand what you are saying about Portis, but I look at the fact that he is talented, young, and a team leader. To me as a fan that is worth more than being old, talened and upset with your team because your own team feels that they can replace you.

Also yeah Portis had the lowest ypc last year for a back with 1,000 plus yards, but look at his stats compared to LT's stats, they are not that different other than the TD's.

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portis ran for 1300 yards with the worst passing team in the nfl.
teams stacked the line ever play of everygame. until you see a consistent passing game, you wont see what portis can truely do.

i think ladell is a decent back, but if he had to be the redskins #1 last year, he wouldnt have broken the 1000 yard mark. ladell looks good on certain plays because he is running draws on 3rd and 15...