Instant replay of Brunell the crossing line of scrimmage
 

Has anybody heard any of the sports shows or announcers talking about this call? Probably not because it didn't affect the outcome of the game, but what if Brunell had thrown a touchdown on the play?

I didn't know that penalties could be called on instant replay (which is exactly what happened). There was no flag thrown on the field. So how is that reviewable? Am I missing something?

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[QUOTE=htownskinfan]has anybody heard any of the sports shows or announcers talking about this call? probably not because it didnt affect the outcome,but what if Brunell had threw a td on the play,I didnt know instant replay could call a penalty which is exactly what happened,there was no flag thrown on the field so how is that reviewable? am I missing something?[/QUOTE]
EXACTLY! There was no flag and then replay can call a penalty?? What's up with that??

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I thought the same thing, but I don't know if there are different rules on the booth's challenges and the coache's callenges or not.

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wasn't it inside the two minutes? if then the challenge came from the booth, not from the field.

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Still, there was no call on the field to challenge! I'm a little suspicious of this one myself.

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[url]http://www.nfl.com/news/990526replaytechnology.html[/url]
NFL introduces Instant Replay technology
1999 Rules of Replay
Coaches challenge: Outside the final two minutes of each half, each team will be permitted two challenges per game that will initiate referee reviews. Each challenge will cost a team a time-out. If a challenge is upheld, the time-out will be restored, but the challenge will not. No challenges will be recognized from a team that has exhausted its time-outs.

Final two minutes of each half: After the two-minute warning of each half, and throughout any overtime period, any referee review will be initiated by the replay assistant in the replay booth in the press box. He can initiate as many review requests as he thinks necessary, no matter how many time-outs the teams may have. No time-out will be charged for a review initiated from the replay booth.

Referee review: All replay reviews will be conducted by the referee on a field-level monitor after consultation with the other covering officials on the play. A decision will be reversed only when the referee has indisputable visual evidence that the call should be changed. The referee cannot initiate a replay in any instance.

Time limit: Reviews will be a maximum of 90 seconds, timed from when the referee puts on the head phones to the replay booth.

Reviewable plays: The instant replay system will cover a variety of plays in three main areas — 1) sideline, goal line, end zone, and end-line plays; 2) passing plays; and 3) other detectable infractions, such as a runner ruled down not by defensive contact, and the number of players on the field.

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I was signing on to ask this same question. I understood they could review a spot, whether there was a reception, fumble, etc, but not a penalty that was not called on the field.


How many times has there been pass interference not called. They never went to the review box to decide on whether there was a penalty or not.

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Yeah, there is something to that. After all, if the refs can review a penality, then I think it's only fair that coaches should be able to challenge any obvious bad penality call as well.

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That should be a new rule next year. Each team should be allowed an additional challenge per game for a bad penalty or non penalty call.

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If the NFL is going to make rules where a ref's penality call cannot be challenged, then they should not be able to review a play and then throw a penality...especially since there was no penality called in the first place.

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[QUOTE=skinsguy]If the NFL is going to make rules where a ref's penality call cannot be challenged, then they should not be able to review a play and then throw a penality...especially since there was no penality called in the first place.[/QUOTE]
Right. You can't use IR to CALL a penalty. Bunch of horse crap. I've never seen it before.

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I think this is the first time I have seen a non penalty call reviewed.


I have seen it for spot, touchdown/no touchdown, fumble/no fumble, completion/incompletion.

Unless as the previous post quoted, this falls within one of the reviewable infractions. I haven't heard of this. Wouldn't that have to mean that a coach could challenge if a qb was over the line of scrimmage, as well?

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In my opinion the safety call and the over the line call should be NOT be reviewable.They should be treated like pass interference calls not reviewable because it is a "judgement" call.

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The "public" rulebook says that an official in the final two minutes of a half may only rule on "possession or position".

I think the officials blew this one.

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Yes. Can someone find out if a play has been reviewed ever when a penalty was not called? This must be a first where the replay official threw the flag! Can coaches challenge a play when no penalty was called and get one called?

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also weren't we in field goal range before the penalty and not after? i can't remember for sure

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again,i think this is one of those phantom calls against the skins that we will never know the true answer to,does anybody else remember the playoff game,I think against detroit ,i think in 91,where detroit fumbled and out of the pile a skin picked it up and ran it in for a td and the officials were still looking for the ball in the pile and ended up giving detroit the ball?we ended up blowing them out so the call didnt matter,but it was fcked up and we never got an apology from the nfl,total bs

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[QUOTE=htownskinfan]again,i think this is one of those phantom calls against the skins that we will never know the true answer to,does anybody else remember the playoff game,I think against detroit ,i think in 91,where detroit fumbled and out of the pile a skin picked it up and ran it in for a td and the officials were still looking for the ball in the pile and ended up giving detroit the ball?we ended up blowing them out so the call didnt matter,but it was fcked up and we never got an apology from the nfl,total bs[/QUOTE]


Not positive but I believe it was Alvoid May's who did that.

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I was saying it at the time you can't review a play to see if there's a penalty, where does it stop, you either throw the flag and then review it, or that's it, I wonder if the replay official scanned the field on that review to see if one of our receivers was bumped after 5 yards? After all that is a penalty.

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Yeah why was that reviewed??? Is it legal to review spot of pass??? Think there's something real sketchy going on.

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no comment, this game was our's to have but we lost, breaks can't always go your way. we just ahve to find away to put more than 20 point's on the board. our d is not as strong as it was last year . especially in the secondary. ide got burned but also made some plays.why don't they use lavar on obvious passing down's like marvin used? he get's to play and we get some pressure on the qb.denver won but they are not a better team.

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[QUOTE=56FAN]no comment, this game was our's to have but we lost, breaks can't always go your way. we just ahve to find away to put more than 20 point's on the board. our d is not as strong as it was last year . especially in the secondary. ide got burned but also made some plays.why don't they use lavar on obvious passing down's like marvin used? he get's to play and we get some pressure on the qb.denver won but they are not a better team.[/QUOTE]

Certainly, you cannot blame the refs for this loss. But in all my years of watching football, I have NEVER seen instant replay used to enforce a penalty that was not called on the field.

You just hope that the rules are applied evenly and objectively in every NFL game.

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OK OK i will say something about the bull pucky called the officating. there's no consistancy at all, just seems to be that anytime the skins get some mo, out comes the hanky. yes we l blew tackles on bell, and yes we blew the field goal with a jerk or twich. that by the way i never saw. but i want my team to just play the other team . not the ref's too. there, i said it. you happy ( ha ha ha )

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[QUOTE=offiss]Not positive but I believe it was Alvoid May's who did that.[/QUOTE]

Speaking of [URL=http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=15374922&BRD=2212&PAG=461&dept_id=465816&rfi=6]Alvoid[/URL]

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The play is reviewable just as a forward pass or lateral is reviewable. Its one of the only plays that can be reviewed without a penalty called, and can be called after reviewed.

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[QUOTE=#56fanatic]The play is reviewable just as a forward pass or lateral is reviewable. Its one of the only plays that can be reviewed without a penalty called, and can be called after reviewed.[/QUOTE]
Since when? How do you know that? Where is the rule?

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Was the pass complete or incomplete during that play. I can see if it was complete or for a TD or a 1st down they would be able to review because it makes a dramatic change, but if it was incomplete no foul no harm. Brunell should have tucked it and run if I remeber right he had 1 defender in front of him and 1 blocker and about 4 or 5 yards to get the 1st. I guess though if you can review under those circumstances if it was a TD they can do it the other way and rule a penalty as wierd as it sounds and does not make a lot of sense.

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[QUOTE=TAFKAS]Speaking of [URL=http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=15374922&BRD=2212&PAG=461&dept_id=465816&rfi=6]Alvoid[/URL][/QUOTE]

How do you find these gems?

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It was a play that the other team could challenge so they could review it from the box.If Plummer threw a pass past the line Gibbs could challenge

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You got some splannin to do lucy

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Do you remember the "Music City Miracle"? It falls in that same catagory. Once past the line of scrimmage you cannot have a forward pass, only a lateral. Since the crossing of the line of scrimmage was in question, or if it was a forward pass, it is reviewable.

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While I share in everyone's wonderment as to the legality of the decision I am going to ask a different question: What the f&*k was the ref looking at in the replay? Not one replay showed was even close to conclusive as to where Brunell was in relation to the line of srimmage. At best the evidence was inconclusive but to me it it was non existent. How did that moron of a ref NOT rule Moss out of bounds earlier (again looked inconclusive there to me but it was much more clear than the LOS replay) and then bag us on this one? Replay is great when the refs use it to make the RIGHT calls but not when they compund a bad situation by making ANOTHER BAD CALL. What a dipshit.

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hey, moss had his toes inbounds (if not his knees) ;)

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i thought it was "indisputable visual evidence" that was required to overturn the call on the field, and therefore i agree with the posts saying the safety should have held up.

i didnt see the brunell play. but the IR rules about what is and is not challengable are laughable! make EVERYTHING challengeable. you still only get 2 a game so its not like its going to hold anything up. its ridiculous - you should be able to challenge the coin toss if you feel like it...