USA Today Gibbs Articles- Skins staying put at #5??
 

I don't know about you guys, but the one rumor that really worried me about the draft was the Skins trading Samuels and the #5 to Oakland for the #2 to get Gallery. I don't think we'd ever be dumb enough to do that 2 for 1, but who knows? This article did alot to assuage that fear. I think Joe Gibbs would have a hard time ever being untruthful, so his statements about staying put go a long way in making me think we'll either stay where we are, or trade down if approached-
Do you guys agree, or do you think even Gibbs could be putting out a smoke screen, and we may go after Gallery?
Here's the article....

[url]http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/redskins/2004-04-14-gibbs_x.htm[/url]

I find it difficult to believe that Samuels and the 5 pick wouldn't be worth more than the 2nd pick. Even with a sub par performance the last year or two, Samuels is considered easily one of the top ten LT's in the game. Gallery may have the potential to be the same kind of player, and I could see packing Samuels and something other than the 5th pick to get him (primarily for cap reasons), but losing the 5th pick and a very good tackle to get a very good tackle is bad math.

An all-pro tackle AND the 5th pick for a potential all-pro tackle??? I don't think so. That's basically giving the pick away.
Yes, Samuels has underachieved the past year or two, but I believe he will re-emerge as a force (or should I say HOG) under Bugel.

"Yes, Samuels has underachieved the past year or two, but I believe he will re-emerge as a force (or should I say HOG) under Bugel."

He needs to because "to me" he has looked pretty terrible as he turns and watches the defenders go around him and pount Ramsey.


Bugel is his ONLY redeeming hope "I think".

peace

If Bugel can't do nobody can. He might as well pack up and leave the league if he does not have a good year.

True.

But think about it: The last two years, the blocking schemes were horrid (or non-existent at times), plus he was injured much of 2002 and playing next to a "green" rookie last season. Before the Spurrier years, he was the solid tackle he should be. So you are 100% correct...if Boss Hog can't get him back to form, no one can. IMO he will.

Bugel could get me into shape and I am missing a right foot.
lol

Any Coach that has "SLOBBER KNOCKING" as an official term in his objective is alright with me.

lol

I think Samuels will return to form this year, we'll run the ball a lot more and the blocking scheme will not call for him to pick up three guys on every play. I know part of the problem is that he didn't want to renegotiate his contract, but of course he didn't. Nobody wants to renegotiate down, why give up money?

I believe Gibbs when he says you don't make calls. Now I do think that Snyder is itching to move up and take Gallery, because a 2 for 1 like that is exactly what he does (Champ and a 2nd rounder for Portis in case anyone has forgotten).

Stay put, draft a stud TE or S and watch Samuels re-emerge into a force.

The issue with Samuels isn't so much his level of play... not very many players had career years under Spurrier. It's his price tag. Next year it starts getting into the stupid money range. He's already renegotiated his contract twice and doesn't think he should have to give in again... hence the impasse.

If Gibbs is calling the shots now, what makes people think he wasn't involved in the Portis deal. It seems to me that whether Gibbs or Snyder is involved in a deal is totally and completely dependant upon whether or not someone likes the deal in question. If they think it is a good deal, then obviously Gibbs put it together. Otherwise, it must have been Snyder interferring again. I personally think that every move we've seen regarding personnel has been made with Gibbs' complete approval if not architected and initiated by him. I don't think that Snyder has been dictating anything. And, IMHO, that's exactly the way it should be.

--Phin

"Safety Ifeanyi Ohalete isn't expected to receive an offer sheet." - WP article about Antonio Pierce.

This makes me think that Sean Taylor is the Skins target. Also, sounds like Portis will get his #26, also.

[QUOTE=cpayne5]"Safety Ifeanyi Ohalete isn't expected to receive an offer sheet." - WP article about Antonio Pierce.

This makes me think that Sean Taylor is the Skins target. Also, sounds like Portis will get his #26, also.[/QUOTE]

No, all it means is that another team is not willing to overpay him to keep the Skins from matching....

That said, I also still think we are going for Taylor.

I read that as saying the Skins weren't going to offer him a contract. Maybe I misread it.

I think Iffy will be a backup on the Redskins roster next year.

The rumour that I heard was Samuals and Gardner for the #1 --- then taking Gallery with the #1, and Taylor with the #5.

Not too bad in my opinion.

Samuels and Gardner for the #1 or #2 I could live with since we have so many good receivers. I just don't want to give up that #5 pick! I want to see Vince Wolfork or Sean Taylor as a Redskin!

I think they have to sign him to atleast a one year deal. Theres nothing that says we will have taylor, and we'll need a solid backup either way.

[QUOTE=']<ing']The rumour that I heard was Samuals and Gardner for the #1 --- then taking Gallery with the #1, and Taylor with the #5.

Not too bad in my opinion.[/QUOTE]
Hell, give 'em Trotter too!

lol, give them Trotter, Samuels, Trung, L. Moore...umm who else do we need to get rid of becuase of cap figures...R.Wynn....lol think theyd go for it.

Haha, maybe. We'd basically be giving them the core of a team. We'd be like $15million under the cap with that deal.

I do like the Samuels/Gardner for #1. I would definitely not give up the #5 just to move up a couple spots. If we get rid of #60 for gallery, gallery would come in with a more cap friendly contract that would probably give us about $5million extra room under the cap.

As long as we get either Winslow, Taylor or Wilfork. I really want us to draft a Cane.

Hell, Miami is going to break the record this year for players drafted in the first round. If we traded down I wouldnt mind DJ Williams, J. Vilma or Vernon Carey either. V.Carey hasnt had much publicity, but if he was on our online, portis' jersey would never get dirty. We'd have the best oline in the league. (with either Samuels or Gallery)

[QUOTE=SKINSnCANES]As long as we get either Winslow, Taylor or Wilfork. I really want us to draft a Cane.[/QUOTE]

And why might that be S&T?? hmmmm

Well you know, all they teach us at my school is football so...

Espn News just reported that the Skin's have placed a call to San Deigo about a possible trade for the first pick. Am I missing something? They only players we can get at 1 that we can't get at 5 is Galley or Manning. I can't believe we ae going for a QB, so that means the Skins really want Galley, right? I tell ya I can't wait till this draft is over, this year's raft just has o many questions.

You have a link to that report.

[QUOTE=SKINSnCANES]Well you know, all they teach us at my school is football so...[/QUOTE]

So I've heard - will you be registering for next year's draft??

nah, I wouldnt want to take the risk of getting drafted by Dallas. Im just going to go the Skins camp wearing a Ray Lewis Canes Jersey and try out.

The rumour that I heard was Samuals and Gardner for the #1 --- then taking Gallery with the #1, and Taylor with the #5.

Not too bad in my opinion.

[QUOTE=SKINSnCANES]You have a link to that report.[/QUOTE]


It was on the Espn News TV, they didnt say much about it. Just sorta broke in and said the Skins "put a call in".

You think the Bolts would take Samuels and Gardner for the #1 pick? I don't.

[QUOTE=hi-jinx]It was on the Espn News TV, they didnt say much about it. Just sorta broke in and said the Skins "put a call in".

You think the Bolts would take Samuels and Gardner for the #1 pick? I don't.[/QUOTE]

Why not -- they need an OT and WR, right?

Samuels is still a stud, and Gardner is solid.

Mabye, they have a lot of holes to fill. Drafting a QB doesnt fill any of their holes. The thing is Marty wants to keep his job, he if drafts a QB and starts him then he is prolonging his life by saying he started a rookie QB to build with. If he traded teh pick for players he would be looking to build a team this year. Perhaps if you added Trotter and someone else you would fill more holes and it would look more attractive.

Fan presure for one thing, no one wants to be the GM who let the big time QB slip away. Like they did when Atlanta made the trade for Micheal Vick.
If the Skins trade Sameuls does his whole salary go against the the Bolts?

[QUOTE=SKINSnCANES]Mabye, they have a lot of holes to fill. Drafting a QB doesnt fill any of their holes. The thing is Marty wants to keep his job, he if drafts a QB and starts him then he is prolonging his life by saying he started a rookie QB to build with. If he traded teh pick for players he would be looking to build a team this year. Perhaps if you added Trotter and someone else you would fill more holes and it would look more attractive.[/QUOTE]

Hell -- throw Trotter in too, he's gone anyway.

[QUOTE=hi-jinx]Fan presure for one thing, no one wants to be the GM who let the big time QB slip away. Like they did when Atlanta made the trade for Micheal Vick.
If the Skins trade Sameuls does his whole salary go against the the Bolts?[/QUOTE]
I'd assume so, unless he restructures.

if we trade him we still owe him teh signing bonus. Hed still cost us around 6 million this year I beleive.

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The story is online now:

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[url]http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2004/writers/dr_z/04/15/zimmerman.draft/index.html[/url]
Dr. Z from SI reported that the deal with the Raiders was Samuels, Gardners or Ramsey, and a lower rounds draft pick.

I don't think the Bolts make this trade at least right away. I think they still hold out hope of trading down to get Rivers(the QB they really want) and some more picks or players. However throwing Ramsey to them may give them a QB they like, one with NFL experience.

[QUOTE=hi-jinx][url]http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2004/writers/dr_z/04/15/zimmerman.draft/index.html[/url]
Dr. Z from SI reported that the deal with the Raiders was Samuels, Gardners or Ramsey, and a lower rounds draft pick.

I don't think the Bolts make this trade at least right away. I think they still hold out hope of trading down to get Rivers(the QB they really want) and some more picks or players. However throwing Ramsey to them may give them a QB they like, one with NFL experience.[/QUOTE]

I trust Gibbs and everything -- but why the hell would we even toy with the idea of getting rid of Ramsey?