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Is it me, or has Griffin been silent so far this year? I love what he did last year and thought he was robbed of a pro bowl bid, but it seems like I'm not hearing his name as much. Same with Daniels and Wynn. I know our ends are so-so but we're not getting a good push up the middle to put pressure on the QB. They've been solid on stopping the run (the 2 Bell runs were missed tackles by linebackers and db's) but maybe Ron Warner could get some more reps to rush the passer.

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yeah i haven't heard much from C. Griff either. Btw, on that first td run it was Daniels who missed a tackle, then Holdman, then Bell was free. I think Ron Warner was cut.

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warner's gone... i only saw holdman with a chance (at least the easiest chance) on the first run.

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I think that more people are doubling Griffin this year...

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[QUOTE=TheMalcolmConnection]I think that more people are doubling Griffin this year...[/QUOTE]

I see Griffin getting doubled constantly. It's a shame that we don't have someone next to him to take advantage of that.

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[QUOTE=Ramseyfan]I see Griffin getting doubled constantly. It's a shame that we don't have someone next to him to take advantage of that.[/QUOTE]
Yeah. Maybe we miss Noble more than we thought.

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Since Griffin is the only real threat on the front four, he's been picking up double teams all season. Wynn has never been much of a factor as far as rushing the passer, and someone needs to explain the mechanics of the defensive end position to Phillip Daniels.

I made a point to watch Daniels on almost every defensive snap last week, and the funny thing is, he gets a decent push. The problem is, all he does is push. He makes no attempt to get around the tackle whatsoever. I guess he doesn't realize that an offensive tackle is perfectly content with letting you push him all over the field, as long as he keeps you in front of him.

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[QUOTE=dblanch66]Yeah. Maybe we miss Noble more than we thought.[/QUOTE]

Noble had 14 tackles and 1 sack in 16 starts last year. I don't think he's the answer, but apparently, neither are any of our other DT's.

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why not use arrington as a D-end?

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[QUOTE=jamf]why not use arrington as a D-end?[/QUOTE]

The coaching staff has the best players on the field at all times...


[size=1]God, that was hard to say with a straight face.[/size]

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[QUOTE=jamf]why not use arrington as a D-end?[/QUOTE]

why ask why

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]why ask why[/QUOTE]

I think they try and use Daniels more as a run stopper and use the LB and corners to apply the pressure on the QB. Daniels is a good end that takes up space, like big Joe S. Problem is we aren't even getting pressure with our LB. Dont look for too much pressure from Marcus this week either. He will probably be matched up w/ Tony G most of the day. Taylor may get some blitzing plays this week. This would actually be a good week to see if LaVar can play. To use his speed and athletic ability to keep up with KCs offense. there offense is mostly on timing and if we can get a good speed rush, or some pressure up the middle we should be able to knock the receivers off their routes. We will definately need to stop the screen this week, which LaVar would be better at than Holdman. Holdman just gets pushed out of the way too much. Clemons may play a bigger role this week too, hes a pretty good pass rusher from the outside.

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In addition, our corners are going to need some help. Springs is probably not going to play. So we will need some pressure on the QB, or they are going to get eaten alive.

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Maybe teams have just figured out by watching game film how to stop our D from getting pressure on the QB.

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Cornelius lit it up for exactly one year in NY too, and then was mediocre after that. I hope what people are saying about him being ineffective due to double teams is true. Cuz then, the answer would be to draft another solid DT, or get one in free agency.

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Here's my take on it, our defense isn't applying the pressure from other positions like we were last year. We often sent DB's or LB's to blitz which caused problems to the offensive lines schemes. Now we're sending pretty much the front 4 on every play and they are getting blocked. Our defensive line last year was never exactly what you'd call great, but they DID THEIR JOB in the scheme. They were there to stop the run and try to confuse/take up space of the blockers to let our blitzers came free, this led to them getting more sacks. This year we're playing what seems to be a completely different scheme where we dont get a lot of pressure but seem to force them to 3-outs.

I think that our Dline has good talent to play the run, but not to pass the rusher. Either way, I'll take #5 overall.

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[QUOTE=Southpaw]Noble had 14 tackles and 1 sack in 16 starts last year. I don't think he's the answer, but apparently, neither are any of our other DT's.[/QUOTE]

I have to agree, Salavea is as good or better than Noble.

Regarding C. Griffen, he is fine. He is a great DT.

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i gree.#96 might be a victim of his own sucess.maybe alittle bit of game planning against him.and forget about noble,he is at best mediocre.i love j salavea

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[QUOTE=jamf]why not use arrington as a D-end?[/QUOTE]
Who? Oh our 5th string LB! Why would we play our 5th string LB at end?

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[QUOTE=Southpaw]Since Griffin is the only real threat on the front four, he's been picking up double teams all season. Wynn has never been much of a factor as far as rushing the passer, and someone needs to explain the mechanics of the defensive end position to Phillip Daniels.

I made a point to watch Daniels on almost every defensive snap last week, and the funny thing is, he gets a decent push. The problem is, all he does is push. He makes no attempt to get around the tackle whatsoever. I guess he doesn't realize that an offensive tackle is perfectly content with letting you push him all over the field, as long as he keeps you in front of him.[/QUOTE]

Thats not nececcarily true. Some schemes that don't have prevelant pass rushers, will assign their d-line to push the linemen into the back field to close of lanes of escape from the backfield. Daniels was the first to miss the tackle on bell, and I haven't seen much of him, but I'm not so sure its the line that has the problem. I think its a combination of no depth in the secondary, leaving packages out that would normally cause pressure, having a lack of physical dominance at linebacker. Washington will shed blocks, but I havent seen marshall or holdman do much of it.

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[QUOTE]Noble had 14 tackles and 1 sack in 16 starts last year. I don't think he's the answer, but apparently, neither are any of our other DT's.[/QUOTE]

I disagree. Stats you can't find are how many times he was doubled or how many times he prevented CG from getting doubled. He was not here to get sacks - he was here to absorb blockers.

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[QUOTE=Kope]I disagree. Stats you can't find are how many times he was doubled or how many times he prevented CG from getting doubled. He was not here to get sacks - he was here to absorb blockers.[/QUOTE]

I think he meant besides CG... CG has proved a beast and got 6 sacks last year anyways.

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I was talking about Noble

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hey guys i live in wisconson, i need radio station i can here the skin.

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We only played 4 games. If C Griffin gets a sack in every other game, he will have 6 sacks for this year as well. Everyone was raving about C Griffin last year and now some people think he's mediocre at best? To quote Nick Saban...."Give him a chance!!! Give him a chance!!!!"

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Griffen is raw and has played admirably this year. It seems like he is the only lineman that makes tackles. But I really miss Ron Warner, I think he was a great spark to our team when he came in. Does anybody know why we cut him? Other than to save a roster spot for a Pro Bowl benchwarmer? I mean how warm can you keep a bench anyway, really.

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last year we used clemons(the lb) as a passrush DE and it worked well. why arent we using him(or lavar) in the same way

we are playing some zone defence, i would think it would make more sense to drop a DE who is actually a LB in coverage.

I hate to question Saint G-Dub. but we need to pressure the QB

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[QUOTE=Kope]I disagree. Stats you can't find are how many times he was doubled or how many times he prevented CG from getting doubled. He was not here to get sacks - he was here to absorb blockers.[/QUOTE]

No one is a starter in the NFL purely to absorb blockers. Now obviously a defensive tackle isn't going to get 60+ tackles in a season, but if he can't muster 1 per game, then they may as well find a much younger, cheaper version of him to "absorb blocks". Salave'a wasn't even a starter last year, and recorded more tackles and sacks than Noble.


[QUOTE=canthetuna]Thats not nececcarily true. Some schemes that don't have prevelant pass rushers, will assign their d-line to push the linemen into the back field to close of lanes of escape from the backfield. [/QUOTE]

Defensive ends are supposed to push the linemen back and square their shoulders 3-5 yards in the backfield, in order to box on a run play. But on a pass play, they are supposed to get around the tackle and get to the QB. Daniels plays every down the same, straight push.

I'm baffled as to how some of you can think that Williams is calling the plays in which the front four are supposed to just stand there and get blocked. Yes, he likes to run exotic blitzes with corners and safeties, but I guarantee that he would be much happier if the front four could create any kind of pressure on the QB so he didn't have to commit DB's to the blitz all the time.

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[QUOTE]No one is a starter in the NFL purely to absorb blockers. [/QUOTE]

Ted Washington?

The Sack is the most overrated defensive stat in the game. Points per game and 3rd down defense mean much, much more.

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If you look at the top 10 teams in sacks ([URL=http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/statistics?stat=teammisc&pos=off&league=nfl&season=2&year=2005]link[/URL] ) - about half the teams are terrible (Tenn, San Fran, St Louis and Arizona) and only three are dominate (Pitt, San Diego and Indy) the rest are mediocre. My point is - sacks are in now way indicitive of good defense

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[QUOTE=Kope]Ted Washington?

The Sack is the most overrated defensive stat in the game. Points per game and 3rd down defense mean much, much more.[/QUOTE]

Since you brought him up, Ted Washington, the epitome of a block absorbing defensive tackle had 33 tackles and 3 sacks last years. And while I agree the the sack is not the be all, end all for a defense, no pressure on the QB is one of the major reasons the Redskins can't generate turnovers. QB's tend to throw pics when they're under pressure, and fumbles come from the QB position more than any other position on the field.

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Ted Washington is more than Block absorbing DT. He is regularly an NFL leader in recorded solo tackles for a DT. Something Noble is not.
Washington had 71 solo tackles for Buffalo in 1996 and 61 in 1997. For a DT/NT that is a large amount.
Noble, on the other hand had a career high 35 in 2000 for the Cowboys. Other than that year he has had low numbers in his short injury filled career.

Don't get me wrong, I like Noble, he is a stand up guy. But we do not desperately miss him. He is easily replaceable.