Who is starting at Q.B?
 

If it were up to me I would go with Ramsey.He has a strong arm and after all the hits he took last year he deserves the job.I will admit that Brunell makes better football decisions,but ramsey will pick it up in time.He just needs more than the two seconds he was getting last year to get rid of the ball.

I say let the best man win. I really hate, however, how NO - ONE is giving Ramsey even a half of chance to win the starting job. I mean its all Brunell this, Brunell that. If he is better, than he should be out there, no doubt. However, I dont think Ramsey is getting enough credit or chance. I wouldnt be shocked at all if #11 is our opening day qb.

I hope Patrick wins his job. That is one tough kid with a strong arm that kept getting up after being pounded, never complained and went back in like a Redskin. The kid has my respect and I hope he get his job fair and square.

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Gibbs is infatuated with the veteran player. Ramsey has absolutly no chance at this job because he hasn't even gotten to practice with the full squad yet, which gave Brunell a huge head start.

I think the starting job should be given to Ramsey, Arrington said something that I really agreed with. He told reporters that the job wasn't Ramsey's to win, it was his to defend and that Brunell should have to show a whole lot before having Patrick's team given to him.

I agree with Lavars statement. It should be Ramseys job to lose. Now if Ramsey doesnt heal and get on the field and practice then it should be Brunells. But its only been one camp, they have plenty of camps and practice to go. Ramsey will get his shot at the next camp, you know damn well that Gibbs is going to throw a lot at both of them and see how then react to it. Even more so, you better beleive that Williams is going to throw a bunch at both of them in terms of blitzes and schemes.

I think if we draft Taylor then the edge will go to Brunell, Brunell will better be able to read defenses and make decisions with a better secondary out there. If we draft KWII then I see the edge going to Ramsey. Ramsey would love to have a hback to be able to dump the ball off to when hes getting blitzed. KWII would become his saving grace. Not that Brunell couldnt use KWII, but I saw Ramsey a lot last year looking for the underneath man to make the easier pass. Ramsey didnt have a lot of conifdence at the end of the year and a killer hback would help bring that confidence back.

I think Ramsey will eventually win the job for one reason. One Ramsey is gonna be a star. This is very evident to me. If you compare him to the other two quaterbacks that were drafted before him two years ago there is no comparison in who has played better so far.
Secondly I think Brunnell in no good. I hope I am wrong.
Either was both quaterbacks best friend is gonna be Portis, he will be in enphasis of the offense for a while I think.

Uhm, No offense and I love Ramsey, but I'd take David Carr if I had a choice.

[QUOTE=Daseal]Uhm, No offense and I love Ramsey, but I'd take David Carr if I had a choice.[/QUOTE]

Not me.

Carr is tough to, he broke the record for how many times he got sacked his rookie year, and he kept playing. Potentially his tougher than Ramsey. People dont give Carr the credit he deserves. Id still rather have Ramsey becausae hes been with us for two years now and I think learned a lot from Spurrier. The potential is there, I hope he gets the chance to show it.

As of right now, I'd take Ramsey. But if I had my pick and knew each of their potentials right now. I'd draft Carr (provided he wasn't gone at #1!)

Right now I would take Brunnel. He has gone through many more battles. I can only think of 3 QB's that started in their rookie year, and were successful...Marino, Manning (and just barely), and McNabb. Generally it takes a few years to fully understand a pro offense, not even to mention understanding a defense. I believe that Ramsey is the future here, but I think sitting out a year or two would do wonders for his ability to read defenses.

David Carr is a great QB, but out of the three ( harrington, carr, ramsey ) Ramsey has outplayed both of hte other two, thers no question about it. I'm one of the biggest Harrington fans out there too, I really love the guy but Ramsey is better than him and Carr, at least right now.

I love Ramsey as much as anyone, but Brunell just gives me a feeling of security and I'm sure Gibbs feels the same way.

There's no doubt that Ramsey has the tools, but I really think that right now Brunell is the guy to lead this team back to the playoffs next year.

This is the year the Eagles fall, the Giants rebuild, the Cowboys have already done what they can with the talent they have, which leaves the Redskins rebuilt and ready to shine!! We've got a schedule that isnt to hard, itll be so nice to get back into the playoffs again, I sure hope we do.

I agree that the Giants are a mess and that the Cowboys haven't done much to help themselves during the off season... however, as much as it pains me to say this, the Eagles are going to be pretty good this year.

They now have an elite receiver, but what have the 49ers done in the last few years with him?? Kearse is a great passrusher but not as solid against the run.. The main thing is there corners and linebackers will be suspect. They did pick up Dhani Jones, but still. If their running came doesnt prove its self, they dont have their three headed monster anymore (one is gone, the other coming off a big injury), then their passing game will suffer. I dont doubt that they will find ways to score but I think we can take them.

How about Lavar Arrington meet Donovan McNabb. Then Donnocan McNabb, meet Troy Aikmen, you will be his broadcasting parter on the 'Lavar Ended Us' show.

I don't think it's Ramsey's "job to lose" because that was before Gibbs and co. came to town. There's a whole new system to learn, so let the best man in an open competition win the job. Probably Brunell has the edge becuase he's better at reading NFL defenses, and Gibbs likes vets. I actually think that's as it should be. Ramsey got thrown into to the fire too quickly with Spurrier. Brunell first for a year, Ramsey the year after for the SB win.

It may have been good to let Ramsey learn a little longer, but we didnt have any other choices at the time. We really had to run with Ramsey, we knew Danny boy or Shane wasnt going ot take us anywhere.

I agree, but beating out Danny and Shane isn't enough to make it Ramsey's job (at least not yet!). We forget just how weak those guys were...

Remember guys. They didn't give Mark the huge contract for him not to start. The job's his to lose, and barring injury, I don't think he will.

Brunell did get injured last year. So either way dont count Ramsey out. We've got the depth we need to hopefully take it to the next level this year.

I'm a ramsey fan and have been since they drafted him and gave him the same # jersey I'd gotten as a customized jersey a couple monthes before he was drafted. that being said Brunnel is the better all around qb right now. he's what, 35+ years old and still has better feet than ramsey. he's a proven leader, accurate thrower with an underrated throwing strength. at their respective points in their careers, brunnel has a better vision of the field than Ramsey as well. I think some of these will begin to shift ramsey's way under the teachings of brunnel and gibbs in the next year or so and that he may even go in to relieve Brunnel sometime this year and win the job back. but isn't this comforting to most of you guys that we can actually have a fight over the team having two starting-quality qbs? especially after the past few years. I think I saw we've had something like 7 starting qbs over the past 5 years or something terrible like that.

[QUOTE=SKINSnCANES]Brunell did get injured last year. So either way dont count Ramsey out. We've got the depth we need to hopefully take it to the next level this year.[/QUOTE]

if I remember right it was his elbow(a laceration or something) and it was healed up 3 or 4 weeks after it happened. the injury was just an excuse for the Jaguars to have leftwich starting.

I think Gibbs will give it to whoever he believes performs best at camp. With that said, if it's close, Gibbs will go with the veteran. And, as I think it will be a close competition, I think the job will go to Brunnell.

I think Ramsey sits this year and the first part of next. At some point, Brunnell is gonna get hurt (maybe later this year or early next) and Ramsey is going to come in and that will be the end or Brunnell's starting career - regardless of the money being paid. Ramsey has the tools and mentality to do the job well. The only question in my mind is whether or not his field vision and decision making will improve enough to take the next step.

Having a rocket for an arm and being tough does not make you a great QB. Look at Drew Bledsoe. The Bills are looking to cut him. Bledsoe was replaced in New England by Tom Brady, a low round draft pick that doesn't have the arm strength that Bledsoe has. But Tom Brady is smart, can read defenses, senses the pass rush, can escape and is great at executing his offense. You do not have to throw the ball 100 yards to be great. The dump off pass is important too. Two super Bowl wins later, New England does not need a rocket armed QB.
Ramsey needs to develop under the eye of Gibbs, QB coach and Brunell. As soon as Ramsey learns to unload the pass sooner, improve his foot speed and be aware of the pass rush, he will be a star. Until then, he is not ready to take us to the SB.

I can see that Ramsey's is unproven, and the safe bet is Brunnell, but what has Brunnell done to prove he has the ability to take us to a SB? I know he has lost 2 championship games, and coughlin loved him so much he fought with management to get rid of him, so as far as Im concerned he has as much to prove as Ramsey, I could care less about his number's, winning championship's is what count's, and he was on 2 team's that had an opportunity to go to a SB and he couldn't get the job done, can he do it under gibb's? Maybe, but I think patrick has just as much of an opportunity as well, I also think PR has more QB instinct's, the kid is a naturaul, where as Brunnell relied on his leg's for a lot of his success, and I don't think at his age his leg's are going to bail him out that much any more.

I agree with Offis. How is Brunell at all proven yet? He just sat out almost an entire season, and has had major injury problems. I think it should be a open competition, but as far as I'm concerned, I think Ramsey has the edge in pure physical ability, Brunell has an advantage in experiance. Ramsey has been in the league two years, he has learned alot so far. I dont think there is any reason to belive that Brunell will be better than Ramsey for this team, until he proves it in Camps and in the games.

. Id still rather have Ramsey becausae hes been with us for two years now and I think learned a lot from Spurrier. The potential is there, I hope he gets the chance to show it.[/QUOTE]
What do you think SS taught him??? How to get sacked?? I think that Spurrier might have actually set him back!!! I love Ramsey but I don't know if he is ready to run Gibbs system. It's defiantly a luxury to have to quality QB's on our roster.

Well, Brunell has won some NFL playoff games, he's seen a lot of defenses, and he's won a number of regular season games. He hasn't won a SB or a conference championship, but he's won in the NFL for a long time. That's not chopped liver. I think Ramsey is the QB of the future, but my bet is the future isn't for a season or so. Playing for Spurrier is like playing in college, except you get hit by NFL linemen. We need to see how Ramsey plays in Gibbs offense. I'm sure he'll do great, but my guess is the transition will be easier for Brunell becuase of his experience.

I actually think both QBs are quite similar in this respect: They're hard working, humble good guys, and together, they'll make up the best one-two QB duo in the league. Is there a better one-two? It's a great luxury, and it will be an incredible asset, especially late in the year. Remember, neither QB finished the year last season. We need both.

We do need both. In the NFL as physical as it is a QB is one hit away from being injured. I like Ramsey, but if Brunell does better in camp he should be the man and vice versa. I think Ramsey will learn a lot from Brunell these next couple of years.

When healthy (major disclaimer I know) Brunell is probably a top 10 QB in the NFL.. I think Ramsey will eventually gain that same status, but for 2004, Brunell will probably be the way to go. The guy doesn't make mistakes with the football and can make plays with his feet when he needs to. He's not going to be Vick like and break of a 60 yard run, but if it's 3 and 7 and the pocket breaks down he can get the yards to keep the drive alive..

I just hope Ramsey doesn't get too pissed if they ask him to sit. I know he's humble, that's why I like him, but when you get knocked on your ass every other play and then lose your job to a quarterback on the downside of his career (35 is the downside, screw Gannon)... I wouldn't blame the guy for getting upset.

Brunnel was a really great mobile QB. He seems to have lost a step though. He'll still role out and make a play, but dont expect any heroics from him at this point in his carer. Itll definitly be more conservative running.

[QUOTE=BleedBurgundy]I just hope Ramsey doesn't get too pissed if they ask him to sit. I know he's humble, that's why I like him, but when you get knocked on your ass every other play and then lose your job to a quarterback on the downside of his career (35 is the downside, screw Gannon)... I wouldn't blame the guy for getting upset.[/QUOTE]


I agree. Gibbs said its a open competition and thats all I ask. I just hope it really is that way.

What is comes down to is that Gibbs has two great QB's. And since he likes to prove that he can win a Super Bowl with any QB, hes going to win one with Brunell this year and then have Ramsey win the next one. I wonder if Gibbs would then keep Ramsey or trade him, it would be unheard of for him to win two super bowls with one QB. But I guess times change, no one would complain.